Remember when Ginny said that she’s was too white for the black kids and too black for the white kids but in the end she only tries appealing to one group instead of both 💀
Exactly, then during the scene where she was on the motorcycle with austin she was like "sometimes knowing everything isn't the best thing" like that is litterally what your mother told you and thats why she didn't want to tell you.
no because for real, why does she have the right to know every little detail about her mum's life? where's the respect and boundaries. Georgia can know about her life because she's legally responsible for if something really bad happens to her. not the other way around
Fr she’s gonna get mad at Georgia for trying to be involved in her life and be there for her while she literally triggers Georgia w stuff from her past that she knows nothing abt and shouldn’t be forcing her mom to tell her abt it.
@@cayleeb111 right! Abby is one of the best characters because she actually has a personality. I relate to her so much. Abby knew ginny was a snake from the start and I started seeing why episode two. like she even kept a secret from her friends (ginny and marcus seeing each other) just to keep the friend group stable. I think Abby knew “Mang” was dead right when ginny showed up
@@kirksolos4163 Abby was kinda a shitty character too. She was a hater from the start. She threw Ginny under the bus every chance she got. The whole MANG group was fake and toxic.
That's literally what I said how do they love each other all they do is act awkward in public when they see each other and only hang out with each other at night time in their bedrooms to do the nasty like honestly I don't think they talked for more than 2 minutes on screen at a time
@@jtvillanueva3495 it just doesn't make sense in my opinion to make one of the main characters THIS insufferable, even with an understandable backstory, she barely changed and devoped and blamed everything on everyone else instead of looking at what she herself was doing wrong
@@JoshMontecillo Ginny is just so mean and bitter.Like shes mean to people that she knows she can be,and that’s why she is so mean to Marcus yet so nice to all of “M.A.N.G” even if they can be really fake because they have clout in her school.She only went to hang out with the girl that kept inviting her to the club ,when all of her friends cut her off.She treats people who she feels better than like shit.And that has nothing to do with Georgia because even though Georgia’s done some bad things,she had reasons that weren’t horrible.Like killing her husband was because he TOUCHED Ginny.All she does is try to protect her kids,maybe not in the most heathy ways but she didn’t grow up healthy either.Ginny doesn’t have it half as bad as Georgia did,her parents are on and off and that can suck but not to the point where it’s her reason for being a blatant asshole.
Last time I checked they had that racist conversation and he chose to react the way he did causing her to break off the relationship right there on the bedroom. So she never cheated if they broke up. Like that conversation about the poem said enough for me about the type of person hunter is. When it comes to this reality.
Im 5 seconds away from throwing my tablet bc of how stupid, selfish and self centered she is. I hope she is better in the 2nd season, if I survive that long
@@VirgosGroove3 Ok so the poem scene. I do think that georgia didn't deserve that but i do see why ginny wrote that poem.Ginny found out that her mom is a murder and that she is the reason why Georgia killed Kenny.She feels like she has blood on her hands she has to keep it a secret so her mom doesn't go to jail.
@@avacherubin2887 did u not see the whole oppression olympics scene, her and her boyfriend were racist to each other, and there’s definitely tons of internalized racism inside her
I’m not in an Asian family but she wouldn’t last a second in my house. My parents woulda put her in her damn place. I still can’t believe how much her mom lets her get away with my parents get angry at way less than that
@@akilahsade I used to have white friends who'd call their mothers horrible names when I was younger and at those moments I was just: 👁👄👁 because if that was my mom they'd be dead faster than they'd be able to throw another insult at her💀
I’ve never despised a fictional character as much as I do Ginny. She’s literally the definition of the mean girl in high school who isn’t popular, so she somehow thinks she’s oppressed. Do not even get me STARTED on the way she treats Georgia, I think I speak for a lot of the fan base when I say a part of us truly watch for GEORGIA, because she’s likeable, she has trauma but she doesn’t make it her entire plot line, she’s a mom trying her best while also keeping her skeletons in the closet. She’s awesome, she’s a badass. I don’t think the writers understand they’ve completely villainized Ginny, but they should really take notes and give her a better arc.
I think Ginny's arc did get a bit better in the 2nd season. Even though she's annoying to watch, her shit personality sets up a good opportunity for character growth and development later.
I just couldn’t stand Ginny long enough to find out if she turns into a good person who actually appreciates that her mom would give her the world if she could.
The “not everything is about you” after Abby has been hurting for a week or two and everyone has been ignoring her was the BIGGEST load of crap. She deserved to be slapped, and I wish they wouldn’t have just played it off afterwards because Ginny needs some kind of checks and balances to know that she SUCKS.
and you know what the worst thing about it is that ginny knew that her parents were divorced befoe she even told her and she didn't even say anything about it
2:07 Marcus tells her he loves her and asks what she was doing because he's concerned about her mental health and cares about her. She proceeds to call him a loser and insult him...girl wtf
i love how ginny and max and norah(though she doesn’t rlly have any problems in the show) get all the help they want when they are going through something and when abby is going through stuff which would probably be considered worse in terms of real life especially since she gets no comfort, then she finally says something and ginny gets to tell her “it’s not always about you”. Ginny is actually infuriating and so extra
It drives me absolutely insane that Ginny was so ungrateful for her mom. Moms arent perfect and make mistakes. But that doesnt mean they should be defined for their mistakes. In my opinion, Ginny's mom went through a lot to make Ginny happy and taken care of. Not everyone has that kind of mom and some people would die to have a mom like that. My mom isnt perfect at all and our relationship isnt always the best, but she does love me. Instead of making her already stressful life even harder, i decided to stop being stubborn and try to help her out when she needed it and acknowledge to her when i fuck up. I used to sneak out a lot, and get so angry when she would do everything to make me come home and i regret having all those fights with her. The cake scene really pissed me off though. My mom was worried that she wouldnt have enough money to bake me a cake for my birthday this year, but she scraped up what she could. It was early morning for me as well and i didnt feel like eating cake right as of that moment, but i told her i was happy she did this for me anyways and said i love you. I ate what i could, and my mom seemed so happy. For Ginny to react that way just annoyed me so much. Its not that hard to stop being so stubborn and realize that youre the problem. Its okay to admit youre wrong and apologize for it.
ok here’s what i think. when zion and georgia hooked up, i understand why she was upset bc she explained in the past that he always left afterwards and wasn’t able to have like any time with him. but when he decided to like stay, LIKE ACTUALLY STAY, i think she should’ve been glad???
Are y'all not getting the meaning behind her saying that? The show excellently the captures self-hate of a biracial teenager. I had the same confrontation with my mother. I think a lot of people are here to hate on a show that does a good job portraying mixed people.
@@jays-move8803 Oh sis I agree that the show is brilliant in capturing all of that - it's not the content of the show but instead the really snarky attitude of the character that bothers me (I understand she was written that way but mAN she's so snarky ahaha)
she was honestly the most self-Centred character and tbf she doesn’t deserve Georgia or all her friends because she never helped them. In season 2, she always ranted to Marcus and never once asked if he was ok.
@@penny9419 Ok? That's what I said. You said "thats ur opinion" as if their opinion didn't matter cause it was one person only but most people have the same opinion lol
Yall keep talking and hating on ginny for that scene but no one ever talks about the fact that abby literally conviced ginny to steal and then procedeed to lie about it to georgia and throw her under the bus at the first chance she got. And don't get me started on her constant sarcastic attitude towards ginny, she was jealous of her friendship with max and she kept acting like a little bitch about it she was so fucking annoying. Yall are such hypocrites
not to mention the fact that she loves to lecture her mom on keeping secrets from her then proceeds to keep secrets from her own friend group AND her own damn boyfriend
Hunter pulled the racism put first in truth take it up with the people who decided to create this show. It a really flat show and it's just for drama they tried to be "cultured" but it completely flew over the writers head and the heads of many other people who fail to understand racism. Look back to the scene of what she talks about in her poem if you fail to understand you ignorant to a different reality of someone with another skin color. They failed with trying to be cultured and they failed with trying to focus on mental health. They bring it up once and call it a day.
Ginny seems like the type of girl to sleep with your boyfriend and try to embarrass you in front of boys or bully you when it's convenient for her and then acting like the victims.
So let’s see her. Ginny always complains about how she’s “too black” for the white kids but “too white” for the black kids yet she makes fun of Hunter for not being “Asian enough”. Yep makes total sense.
@@nagatoqi you missed the point. She complains that black people don’t want to hang out with her because she’s not black enough but when a black person does want to hang out with her, she refuses. Like don’t complain about black people not wanting to hang out with you if you don’t want to hang out with them.
I think the problem Ginny has is that she wants everything to be about her and wants the whole world to resolve around her so much it has blinded her to see that she ain't the only one struggling.
the audacity ginny had to literally say “i’ve had a lot of family stuff going on too” and then proceeds to say “its not always about you”. her character pisses me off so much, especially when she practically blamed her losing the essay contest on hunter like 😬. and don’t even get me started on how she treated georgia.
I feel so bad for Georgia.. yes she did some… questionable and messed up stuff but there was a reason behind everything she did and she did it all to protect Ginny…
yup blaming hunter for losing meanwhile hunter just followed the rules of the contest and she said "and you're proud of that?" like yeah why not, it's the rules.
Then we she lost accused the teacher of being racist yes he was racist but the problem was her essay wasn’t a essay it was a poem simply wasn’t what the theme was hunter followed what he was supposed to do period
Bullsh*t. Not everything isn’t about one person. So I stand in Ginny’s side. F*ck you for telling me I’m a bad friend and you don’t know what I’ve been through.
I mean, I can't empathize with her character, but I can sympathize. I grew up with dozens and dozens of people that had a life almost as tough and unfair and unstable as hers and aside from the hilarious feminism, they were more-or-less like this. A lack of stability is exactly what ruins kids, and Ginnt got almost none.
She made Marcus cry... I am sorry, yes he was cringy but at least he had SOME development. And remember the scene when her mom told her about what happened to her and the abuse and then on the last episode I was like "FINALLY she's going to say thank you and hug her or something". No, she just... UGH!
if it’s done right, the main character can start as a terrible person and grow overtime in the story. the problem is ginny didn’t change at ALL throughout the entire show
Why not enjoy this "neutral character turned anti-hero"-arc? It's a rare find in modern shows, and it keeps the viewer engaged. One look at Ginny and you want to punch her in the face, but I honestly prefer her to an ideal Mary Sue-esque main character.
I know right. And the fact that she said "always" as if she always brought up her problems. This was the first time, yet Ginny always brings up her bullshit. She barely goes through anything, but she's so very dramatic and self-centered that she thinks everyone is out to get her. I'm glad Abby smacked her.
that whole race conversation really rubbed me the wrong way, “my race has more problems then yours which means you can’t possibly understand how I’m feeling”
@@psychobug3022 exactly and as a poc I know the feeling of guilt from not knowing your native language and that is literally the biggest gut punch. She is absolutely horrid.
@@psychobug3022 Its even worse because Hunter isn't even from Japan but Taiwan... "I am not racist but I think all Asians are all alike and speak the same language etc..."
My friend did that to me i had a lot of issues more of psychological issues and family issues an it's been happening for like 3 years at that point and for weeks i was at my worst and i wanted my friends to be near me and listen me just that and you know they were close friends of mine so and i always tried to be near them and listen them when they are crying . So one day i burst into tears screamed and yelled cause i was done and couldn't control myself anymore and i was extremely ill so after crying i get down to go to the hospital and my friend came and said to me you know my mom is sick you are not the only one with problems . LİKE WTF WHAT İS YOUR PROBLEM İ KNOW İ'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WİTH PROBLEMS İ KNOW THAT İ M NOT ASKİNG YOU TO GİVE ME ALL YOUR TİME İ M JUST ASKİNG YOU TO BE NEAR ME A LİTTLE BİT MORE AND LİSTEN ME AND BE A LİTTLE MORE CONSİDERİNG . And i was already feeling bad because not being able to nice enough and can't being the solution for my friends problems because i had a lot going on with me . İ was already feeling bad enough and she said that to me implying that i was selfish i couldn't say anything . İ just quietly cried and went to the hospital and it was bad so bad . İ couldn't stop crying the whole time . İt was one of my worst days . And this wasn't even the first time or the last they were bad friends but i was extremely alone ( sorry about my english i just wanted to write about it )
@Melek I feel your situation. I lost my one and only sibling, my brother, last year due to overdose. It was and still is a hard time for me. I just feel like they were not there for me enough. Then again, I didn't approach them or cry in front of them even when my heart was heavy. I was afraid of being called selfish too. But now that I think, you being able to approach them, tell them about your problems, and let go all your feelings out didn't make you selfish. You've been strong enough. It was absolutely okay for you to expect some support, and if they didn't, to hell with them!! I know it has been a long time but I hope you are okay. If things are still bad, hang in there and stay strong. Things will always get better. Oh melek you deleted your comment. I still hope you see my comment!!!
The worst was when Georgia threw her a whole suprise birthday party and Ginny was so ungrateful and bratty and unnecessarily rude to her about it, and every one seemed to enjoy it apart from Ginny. Like MANG loved it except Ginny who was saying Georgia was embarrassing her. I felt so much anger to her in that episode
i love how she says it’s not always about u LIKE SIS ITS NOT ALWAYS ABOUT U TO SHE NEEDED U, UGOT NO FAMILY PROBLEMS UR LITERALLY JUST A SPOILED BRAT WHOS RUDE TO THEIR MOTHER💀💀
She is very entitled and self centered but she DOES have family problems too .. her brother being not stable .. finding out her mom has a sister and was not an orphan .. having her mom be with another man again .. its frustrating.. but it is not an excuse to treat everyone like side characters ... everyone deserves to be listened to ..
she tries to hard to be edgy and have family problems like she wants to go through as much stuff as her mother did like sis your mother went through all of that and raised u (as a teen) and has to keep secrets to PROTECT you so why are u so mean to her
IFKR?? Georgia literally told her so many times she hides things to protect her, that's why she never told her about her abusive grandparents and hid from her any member of her family, even after she tells her that she was abused her whole childhood ginny goes to rant to joe about how her mom never told her about her aunt????!!?! BITCH YOU GOT AMNESIA OR WHAT I don't know why it's that big of a deal to her because it's not like she doesn't hide numerous things from her mom and her friends, such a hypocrite She doesn't have problems she just likes to create them out of nowhere (well minus the self-harm..) she could lead a perfectly peaceful life if she just drops the victim mentality for a little
@@thecunningravenclaw2231 what her brother is more stable than her finding out her mother has sister is not some big deal it is what it is also as she says her mother always has boyfriends its nothing new nor is it her business
Me, my family all watched it at seperate times and I couldn’t be in the room when the show was on. But I know I hate Ginny and I have from when I first heard about her
ginny: *is racist to hunter* also ginny: " WHY IS EVERYONE SO RACIST TOWARDS MEE?" ginny: *is self obbsessed* also ginny: " its not always about you? geez"
It’s ironic how Ginny constantly ranted about getting her boundaries crossed by Georgia. At the same time, in her situation in season 1, she did not respect her mom’s boundaries at all, kept trying to invade Georgia’s boundaries by maintained being a bitch towards her mom for not wanting to share her darkened, traumatic past.
Ginny was so ungrateful, when Georgia always tried her best for them , and every time Georgia did something nice for her , Ginny would always be ungrateful about it and get upset when she should’ve been happy
@Thaly Roger in the end she ran away so of course Georgia wouldn’t tell her the truth. I would wanna know the truth too but I would never disrespect my mom like that.
Ginny is the type to say "well you don't see me complaining about my problems. like how I have to deal with- " and then continue to complain about her problems.
RIGHT when that scene happened I had to back up like 10 times to the start of the convo to try and decipher how race was even brought up and I still can't figure it out 🤷♀️
absolutely, I got offended and I'm not even asian or black LOL shocked they actually left that scene there. teenagers don't fight because "you're whiter than me because you like cheeseburgers".
The she scene is garbage and Ginny doesn't seem to actually understand what it is to experience racism as a mixed race young person. But I guess that's what happens when non-white characters are written by white people 😅😅
Like bro I fucking gringed at tht scene like WTF was tht like they were trying so hard to be oppressed but they were just being rude and racist to eachother LIKE.... 🤦🏽
The only person who actually listened to him about his struggles and he was able to open up to her and her to him but sometimes they both are annoying tbh.
I sorta understand why people say that she was overhated in S2, but I will forever despise her in S1. Literally one of the most unlikeable characters I've ever seen 🙄 😤 😒
Exactly! I don't necessarily love Ginny but I can see the clear decisions behind why she is portrayed the way she is. She states multiple times that she has never had friends or a boyfriend so their approval and attention means everything to her. Suddenly she fits in and wants to be someone they like. She decides to pursue Hunter for that very reason. I think, if you notice her at the beginning when we meet her she wears her natural hair and baggy tshirts with no makeup. This is when she is most herself, but she comments about how she needs to wear a mask to survive and she's good at surviving. So then she straightens her hair and changes other things about her appearance. Her look is altogether more feminine. She is someone more palatable to the ppl in Wellsbury and she distances herself from Bracia, the person that represents her blackness in this community. It is only at the end, once her father tells her she needs to accept who she really is, and after she gives a speech about living in the space between black and white that she wears her natural hair again. Then the incident with MANG happens and she is forced to acknowledge who she is and who she wants to be. I think Ginny is way more nuanced than people understand, and she's believable as a teenager. Hell, half the shit she says and does I can relate to on a personal level. Anyway, sorry for such a long response!
@@HezzahVee exactly but people are so quick to forget that ginny literally went through her mom always being drunk and having men around her growing up
Literally Ginny kept a HUGE secret from max and when max got upset ginny made her apologize. When she got mad at Georgia for doing the EXACT same thing, ginny still put Georgia in the wrong. Like WTF
I feel like Ginny is the time of person to say "I have bad trauma, I have the worst trauma! My crush rejected me." or something when you say your going through a hard time
Yeah like after I watched the series I told my mom. If you killed before, I’m okay with it cause you won’t kill me. My mom: 👁👄👁🤚 But seriously she really was like “Omg my mom was abused and she killed. Now I can’t see her the same way cause she isn’t perfect. Let me run off with my little brother.”
I experienced something like this. I must recognize I was a very unstable person when I suffered from depression and as a consequence I had a really distorted view on things, but I once vented out to a friend and all she told me was: "You have to stop thinking that the whole world revolves around you" And yeah that was a really awkward moment for me.
ginny wants mommy issues so bad. i don’t understand how she treats her mother like this after all the things georgia has sacrificed for her. she is so self-centered and thinks that everything has to do with her. she’s testing my patience at this point.
Abby: I have had the worst week of my life.. and i needed you guys Ginny: ok but I’ve had family problems to, its not just always about you I think that’s basically the 1st time abby has talked about her issues with the group
honestly like we all have our own issues to deal w and things we go through all the time and having someone else pile their problems on you could exhaust you even more but i understand it was abby’s first time even talking abt herself so ginny reacted horrible considering she’s always all abt herself
the way abby was talking about them literally abandoning her and letting out her feelings while ginny talks about her problems all of a sudden? She gets on my nerves all the time..
