GMOD VR: Return to gm_liminal_space in VR 

“The End” room is based on a well-known liminal space image of an empty library. It was a neat surprise to see it here. :)

This map has a part you hadn't seen yet. IN the computer room, you can fit through one of the windows. Give it a try :)

"...or if the other person is aware of You, and doesn't want to be found." In a map like this, where you're always worried something will pop out, or you'll see some creature, maybe YOU'RE the monster. You go door to door, searching every room, like You're hunting for someone, or something. The overturned chair looks like someone left in a hurry, because they did, they know you're hunting them, and they don't want to be caught.

Someone should do a VR map like this but with an NPC that’s “bound” to the back of your head. Like Lisa from PT where she follows you at some point, but you can only see her shadow because she’s always behind you.

Those "water feature" liminal spaces really bring to mind for me the early Tomb Raider games. Their limited polygon count forced the developers to make the spaces out of large, extremely angular block shapes with flat textures. Yet, they would often attempt to depict ancient ruins and other once lived spaces using these assets, ones that also serve as areas to facilitate gameplay. So you get this weird effect of being in spaces that clearly allude to once being meant for human habitation and/or were formerly lived in by humans, but with none of the geometry it consists of being sensible for a human to exist in. You understand what it's _supposed_ to be, but the reality of what it _is_ is in direct opposition to that. And the "water feature" liminal spaces are just like that. You understand it's meant to be a decoration or perhaps a recreational area, but no human would ever construct one in this way, or would find its geometry sensible and useful. If anything, they seem to directly appose human habitation... while still being spaces clearly meant for humans.

The thing you mentioned around 10:45 about memory degradation being like a tape that is slowly being worn out each time it's played... Makes me instantly think about how Dementia works. Because it is exactly that... But much worse and usually only noticed when your really old too.

Even if the maps you play in are scary, there still is a kind of relaxed feeling in your videos as well that i love

Maybe an aspect of liminal spaces as both a room and a transitioning room, are those kinds of rooms where, while you might stay in them for a while, like the office cubicle, you’ll spend a significant part of your day there, but never for longer than you need/want to be. I feel like that’s what a lot of the rooms have in common, the hubs/stations, locker rooms, store, hotel. All of them are permanent spaces/destinations, but you yourself are only there for a limited amount of time.

34:19 My feelings about that place: It gave me an odd feeling like you're inside a colosseum arena, and people are watching you from above waiting for a combat to start with whatever creature is lurking around.

You should do the backrooms horror map, it has levels 0-6 and a reference to another liminal space you've seen.

I can't believe out of everything on RU-vid, these pseudo-horror creepy cozy videos are the thing that help me sleep the most, thanks for the excellent content always!

I still prefer on this map unlike the Shlup version, like this it has more details like light effects that came from outside, the florescent lamps and the environmental gameplay that something is watching you or someone came here first but you came to this place without knowing

That red carpet part is massive

I'm so glad that someone else has articulated the odd memory thing that happens with vr. for me remembering a VR location is like remembering a dream and I think it largely has to do with how similar the experiences are; In my dreams I don't have all of my senses, i'm there obviously but i never feel wind or temperature and even touch. same thing with VR, i'm only in the space via sight so my brain only knows one way to rationalize that: a dream.

Just did a movie on this map! The atmosphere really made it unique. Def one of my favorite maps!

There is a little more to this map last time I checked, primarily more "teleport points" and one substantial bit that you can only reach by breaking a part of the map.

For those who want to know about the link: its to an 11 second video titled "kill your cat and eat it at 12:30" and its just the gman standing in a part of the map with creepy music

I have become kind of obsessed with liminal spaces over the last few months. -Loving this!

Hey man! Sorry i'm late, but thanks for playing on this the updated version!

I've been watching you for about a month now and I just wanna say how much I love your channel. I love everything you cover and I think you have the most perfect voice and manner of speaking for videos on horror and liminal spaces. You're very thoughtful and articulate.

I wonder if he realizes that the "The End" section was a recreation of another liminal image debatably as famous as the indoor hotel that was immediately connected. He would have been more shocked and had more to say if he did recognize it.

Time to get the popcorn out👀

The space around the 25:30 mark reminds me of nightmares I used to have as a little kid. There would be no monster chasing me, and the area I was in wasn't particularly creepy in any way, almost exactly how the walls and floor looked, a plain, single color wall with a slightly worn out carpet, lit by humming fluorescents. What made this dream horrifying to my child brain was that after opening a door, I would just be led to the exact same area I was before, in an infinite cycle. Nothing past the next door stood out in any way to the one before, none of the lights would be damaged or flickering, no blemishes on the walls or carpet, and no furniture, just the exact same room over and over. I still have this sort of fear to this day, just waking up one day either in my bed or some random place, and opening the door only to be greeted to a room entirely identical to the one I was in before, in infinite repetition.

"Guys, to dedicate myself to my channels agenda. Im now living permanently in Gm_liminal_hotel IRL."

This is exactly what I did after I first found your channel thru the gm_liminal video, so glad to see you give it a go!

This map with all of its transitions reminds me of the backrooms like you do from one place into another what's a weird transition. Makes you feel like you're in somewhere that is unexplainable but feels so calming and common but unnerving.

Funny enough, I was absolutely hoping you'd do this when I saw your other VR explores, so very happy to see that you actually did! This map is so superbly atmospheric due to the moody lighting, the dreamlike soundtrack, and textures that almost make this feel like a truly decrepit and enigmatic facility. Now, clearly, it's time for VR gm_construct beta 13. ;3

i would like to recommend a very weird and interesting game, its called NaissanceE, its about you being stuck inside a colossal structure with a brutalist architecture, that game even gives me some liminal space vibes, but its mostly because of the feeling of being alone there, it is basically all about "exploration" and travelling to the end, sometimes there is one puzzle here and there, and it can be ended in less than 3 hours, i believe this game is mostly focused on ambient and atmosphere.

Just wanna say, your map playthroughs are awesome and definitely filled with a lot of insightful commentary! I've been on a liminal space kick myself lately cuz it's a concept I find interesting with how vague and mysterious it is

While watching @The Librarian, the urge to skip back, and review something is far more prevalent than the urge to jump forward, past something. You've got me wanting to do real life liminal space explorations for my channel. I've swear, I've been to some of these places in real life. Just have to prove it by figuring out how to film them without getting arrested.

Man... this map should spawn a cry of fear monster after 20 minutes has passed. :P

4:14 I know exactly what you mean. I’ve had times where I watch a movie, go to sleep, and then dream that I’m in that movie. You’ve seen it once already when it wasn’t your POV, and now you see it again, and it _is_ your POV this time. It hits against something in your mind that tells you it’s familiar, that you’ve been here before. But as you look around, you know that you’ve never stepped foot in the space you’re in. Another way to put it is like memories from a past life. It’s uncannily familiar, familiarly foreign.

There are two areas you missed, there's an alternative version of the map, and an empty house surrounded with snow which can be accessed via no-clip or an easter egg i've missed. I made a video showcasing all areas on the map, if you guys want check it out.

The panel on the wall to your right at 30:25, there are multiple like them hidden in the map. They can be interacted with. I don’t know where all of them are, but I’ve found that one and the one in the mall area

POV: You are succumbing to alzhiemers in an abandoned building while rambling to yourself

its Jamais vu when something familiar feels strangely new

I have waited for this video since you played this map normally!

Whilst a liminal space is a transitional space, I think liminal spaces heavily utilise kenopsia, a feeling you get when something which is meant to be busy, a motorway full of cars or a mall empty, abandoned, it creeps you out and gives you a sense of dread.... Its present in every liminal space, a hotel or a library, which you'd expect to at least have some people browsing books or someone at reception, completely empty, as you know, most gmod maps unintentionally invoke this feeling anyways, even the base maps Garry himself coded in, like construct or flatgrass. A flat plain or a construct, meant to be full of props and people, completely empty, its why Gmod singleplayer freaks most people out, the lack of people disturbs you, and you might even expect something to pop out at you, your not afraid of being alone, your afraid of the opposite. Or, well, being alone because of some unforeseen tragedy that wiped out or at least caused humanity to migrate. In the case of this video, an empty train station, or an empty office, hell even the empty hotel, and a library if you could really call it that. Obviously though, adding something that makes it not quite right, like a weird roof in the otherwise open area, a strange and vague sign, only merely suggesting what happened here, a train station with no rails or trains. Plus the idea that you can never figure out what the room is, or is meant for. You get the idea, sorry if this was a huge rant type of thing, I just find it really really interesting.

It's like visiting a set for a television show you watched growing up. You've seen it all your life but you've never been there until now. And now that you're there it seems wholly unfamiliar despite you recognizing every nook and cranny.

Please more of these! I love this series. The maps got another level of horror and your commentary is the best. Cant wait for another map. Liked and subbed (Ye I am new here).

The apartments give the worst feeling. I mean,the apartments might be abandoned,but they could also not be. And the fact that they are all surrounding the middle, There is no object to hide behind,there is nowhere to go, Just gives you that feeling that every single window has someone looking at you.

dude i love these videos, the things you ramble on about are so interesting. i love how the ambience comes on at the perfect times e.g. when you started talking about the overturned chair and how it feels like someone is there watching you

Loving your GMod videos, I've been home since I got COVID and been watching your videos.

Oh man I absolutely love these!! I can’t wait to watch it!!

Loved that !! the new water features were awesome id love to see those go on forever !! also those extended halls at the liminal hotel had a major backrooms vibe ... fab stuff as always =)

Real late on this, but the feeling that's usually invoked by the colloquially definition of "Liminal Space(s)" is the obscure term of "Kenopsia", which is the feeling when a place that is usually full of activity and occupants is left empty.

The fact that i had a dream where i returned to somewhere kind of concerns me considering i had it as my last dream

The office cubicles need a couple of cups of steaming coffee on a desk.

fun fact: liminal hotel is based off backrooms level 188 and level 188 is a picture of a real place it also says in the description of the map that it tries to replicate every little detail from the real place so thats pretty cool

Kept waiting for you to run into the dark paintings. Guess that was a different one. Love the content! Suggestion, in one of your video's sometime back you mentioned having a hard time tracking where you have been and mentioned glowsticks. You could use toolgun lights. Or If there is still a mod that makes objects glow, you could hit a soda can with it, plus that would be like a glowstick you could hold in one hand with your Glock in the other! Kinda wish I had gotten into making stuff for Gmod back in the day. I feel the need to fix things about the VRmod I see you dealing with, like the left-hand situation.

3:06 YES, once I had a dream where I woke up, and something felt “weird” it was my room. And I got up and went downstairs (which I was terrified of most of the time) I was in unfamiliar place that didn’t exist and then I hid in the worst spot possible and then it got weird and a garage door opened and it was night time but when the door opened it was day time and then my dad was apparently a super hero and saved me from “something”

Liminal spaces, these ones especially, feel like some crude and distorted interpretation of human civilisation produced by some external force with a very limited knowledge of human society, like the little safe room with the mattress-less bed and the tens of unfurnished hotel rooms, or the backrooms with the endless transitions between different rooms, yet never actually reaching a destination.

Imagine playing this while another player is hunting you down with a horror player model Would probably be terrifying Would be even worse if they were hunting you for 24 hours

Liminal places feel like being on psychedelics that are almost confused yet strangely similar.

YES finally he has explored this

like you said with waking up from a dream evertime a video ends its like waking up from a dream and getting sent back to that one map

GM_Liminal_Space lends well to VR! Seems like a great way to experience these kinds of maps.

I like how you're not cynical at all. Very refreshing.

Obama Respectfully agrees with your opinion, cheese is definitely better.

Thanks for providing a link, I saw this one in videos and couldn't find no matter what I put in the search bar.

The sense of not remembering somewhere you've been before is called jamais vu, it's like the opposite of deja vu

that door phenomenon made me recall a dream i had when i was really young. i woke up, and suddenly my 2 story house had a third story, and the staircase just ended in a door, and no railguards. had that dream a lot. i completely forgot it till now

I had a dream of a low poly version of Seattle, and it was all in a mix of tan and brown.

Just ended up watching the whole thing....my god my mind could swear there would be a jumpscare somewhere...thank god it hadn't

What you said in the vid, about something something Home syndrome is pritty familiar to what i expirienced when i went back to my grandmothers house, they changed a room where i used to be very weekend into a bathroom, it never changed for a pritty big part of my life. But when i first entered it a few years later, it just messed me up so much. I could still see where everything used to be... but bathroom...

it would be a nice horror game concept that needs some sort of an advanced stalker NPC bot not just basic following you until he kills but has like 3 phases first phase is just following you everywhere and knows where you are, sometimes would even be right behind you but the second you turn his model just vanish, but he would creep behind you and it should have sound effect that messes with you mind, foot steps or something second phase would be it trying to actually kill you, but it will only do it if it manages to sneak behind you enough, get close enough behind you without you looking and then you just die. you can hear some effects and such. sometimes when you turn you might see it for a second before it vanishes watching you from a corner. the last phase is it just borderline hunting you but this time you have the chance to hit from it. like alien isolation type situation. he knows you are in some section of the map but doesn't know where exactly, it just rely on any noises you make, or you running or walking too fast. then it tries to narrow down your location and kill you directly. Like this map starts off putting you in the middle, nothing happens until you reach "the end" desk then you get to see inside the monitor that has a message that says "come back if you need me" at this point when you trigger this that limitless rooms area gets unlocked along with other sections at this point the first phase of the stalker is activated, you are now just meant to search around more and explore the map. he is somewhere but stalking you. you reach the limitless desk area and now in one of the rooms you find a message in the wall with splattered ink that has some message that would be the game Q to trigger the second phase of the talker. in the limitless desk area now you will hear footsteps which depends on the player thinking should at some point connect the dots and understand that now you need that computer that told him "come back when you need me" the player objective now is to go all the way back to that desk while there is something waiting enough to kill him. When the playr manages to reach the computer, it basically just unlocks some hidden drawer or some chest that has a dagger or some sort of weapon like a knife. with the message that says "find the essence of it" which should be somewhere at this area at 30:33 but some extra room that has the stalker there doing nothing, just eyes closed and "sleeping" (mind you the whole time you are trying to "reach" that area difference version of it is still talking you waiting for you not watching your back enough to kill you until you reach this area) you st*b it with the weapon given by the "the end " desk and it basically wakes up and then falls on the ground after it's eyes glow. now the second you step back inside this area 31:40 you hear a sound from it, maybe a scream, maybe horror noise, something. which means now the last phase is triggered. it's now manually haunting you. you can't kill it, it's just stalking you to finish you off. now you need to find a way to basically just reach this area 34:15, avoiding the stalker your way out. I think it would be cool if the stalker would follow you outside but just starts burning because it's not allowed to live. and some the end text appear that you beat the level or something. I would love to try a game like this. it's simple enough I guess, not complicated and could fit in GMOD or something. or this is all just some terrible idea, i don't know.

I love to run through the corridors and hallways of the map while getting chased by Trevor Henderson entities

Man imagine playing this with one or maybe two other people in VR. You don't have any comms or anything and the games drops you on opposite sides of the map, so you both wonder around building that uneasiness until you eventually see each other. I would probably scream

Me and my friends love to use nexbots to chase us in this map. Its so fun.

I think the creepiest part about liminal spaces like this is that it feels so lonely. Like looking into the room with all the cubicles and seeing that it is an area where people would be but theres literally nobody there. It just feels wrong

i actually havent watched the other video on this map so, this is quite new to me

33:55 if I remember correctly, there is a human skull sitting on the glowing shelf with all of the cans. unless it was removed in an update? I don't know. I haven't had Gmod installed in a long time but all of these cool maps are making me want to install again. I mentioned the skull in the comments the last time you visited this map but to be fair, like this time, I am a bit late

Another lovely video, I've been watching quite a few of them, really well-made. To be honest I can often relate to the idea of trying to, but being unable to properly convey something. What is it about the Source engine that lends itself so well to creating abandoned or surreal spaces? There's this odd 'look' that feels almost remarkably linked to source engine maps, you can recognise it. Even large, flat surfaces have detail and texture, the lighting, something about it. Some games have a 'too-clean' look to them, even with visual variety and details.

I never heard of bernhards door or really even thought about it but my childhood home was a old crappy 1 room farm house from the 20's that had several additions just poorly slapped on to it over time so I had like 3-4 false back doors that went straight into wall insulation or just literally nothing but space between the walls so they were always blocked off by shelves or something. Actually in retrospect it was a creepy little house

These vr vids make me want to get a headset and explore gmod maps.

Ah the memories…

you should really do more, this is interesting lol

I love listening to you talk you go into details and it’s so interesting

30:25 has the SCP logo on one of the electrical boxes

Imagine being trapped in that 'the end' library and you typed in "the end" then pressed enter and everything turned black and you could no longer feel anything smell anything see anything or even move. It erased reality you would no longer exist

You shouldn't try to understand liminal spaces, they're obviously randomly inspired by the places in our subconcious and they're not meant to make any sense nor directly resemble an actual place. "Don't try to understand it, feel it." -Tenet

i do enjoy every your creapy gmod map showcase, gud job :)

You should play gm_russia, it has actual built in spooks that even can be scary without vr

god this map is so weirdly comfy at parts. that library, the stone tunnel, the greenhouse, the parking garage, the outdoor area, the train station…i could relax in one of those clear-water pools for hours. there’s just so much variety here. this map really has it all. also, for convenience: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UXUz9M184Yc.html

I feel like Portal 1's ost would be good atmosphere for liminal map.

Hey, Mr. Librarian, I don't know if you'd be keen on this, but Radiation Hazard was running a horror mapping competition, and I entered a map that took a lot of inspiration from your work, and shlup's liminal map. While it might not work well in VR, I would be honored if you played my map, and maybe the other maps as well, and gave your thoughts on them. I don't know any other youtuber that can analyze a horror environment quite like you do.

He do be milkin this map dry.... But i love it.

liminal spaces are like if aliens made a roach motel for humans. It's a crude shell of our civilization and culture just meant to trap us there.

This is my jam. I wonder if Fallout 4 VR in those spooky lovecraft buildings would be video worthy.

7:12 Reminds me of this video i had watched called "how an infinite hotel became full" and i think its because how long it is.

Nice vid! Vr videos are so nice. Would love to see more phasmophobia in VR

Some of my dreams make no sense. But most things in my dream seem realistic. Like if you press a button it does the same thing every time. Or if you look at words and look away, the words don’t change. Time goes by real time. People interact with you as if they are real. It is… strange… and other dreams just don’t make sense at all…

Oooo.. we gonna be in the spooky zone again! :O

The main area in my house is very much a liminal space because there is no dividing wall separating the kitchen and dining room from the living room.

oh YES, I reaaaally needed this , please get us more liminal stuff !

I remember years ago me and my step bro used to download massive maps like these just to explore it was so fun

You missed a suitcase on the open area surrounded by buildings is on a corner. You are gonna love it :)

11:30 Whenever I see one of those old computer monitors just facing into the middle of a room or a doorway like that when there's no computer insight it really makes me feel like it's a face and it's watching me judging me it's just like an empty chair

this guy talks like a philosipher i like that

'theres this fine mist around this light hanging in the air...' thats bloom.