Gobekli Tepe And The People Who Built It: A Conversation With Archaeologist Jens Notroff 

Idea for a new video; how the paradigms of archaeology have evolved over the years.

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I want to know if they defleshed their own family members; and/or ate them, in a solemn cermemonial dinner, of course . . . with a side of greens. Sorry. I couldn't help myself. It's late.

Hunters lodge!!

Stefan Milo and Jens Notroff- Gobekli Tepe, especially enclosure D, seems straight forward to me, why is it that interpretations seem to be lacking from the multidisciplinary work on the site? Vulture, albatross, dodo bird... I have done my share of research and it sure looks like the main central monolith is standing on seven dodo birds that would represent the Pleiades. This is common in ancient symbolism as dominance over the underlining subject, such as the video of Iraq's Saddam Hussein statue being slapped with shoes when taken down and other ancient symbolism. The other monolith has a bull on its chest symbolizing Taurus. These two are surrounded by twelve pillars representing the constellations. The puzzle pieces fit very closely with the basically proven younger dryas impact theory which matches the dates of the catastrophe that changed the Pleistocene into the Holocene and of Gobekli Tepe. With the die-off of the megafauna and many humans, plus the extreme climate changes it is no wonder that agriculture is suspected to occur at this time. The Taurid Stream is on top of the list of suspects in astrophysics and is stated as such in mythology with the bull and the seven birds on its back destroying the world. This is why there was the Apis bull, the bulls at Catalhoyuk, bull fighting, veneration of the bovine in India, and the brindle ox...etc. Advanced civilization as in beyond what the majority have formed as a consensus such as the precession of the equinoxes known way before Hipparchus. Another example is the lapidary work on the obsidian mirror found in the same general area.

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@@boagski just curious. What don't you think he understands? Not understanding implies someone else does or implied that there is a greater understanding being missed.

Andy from the information provided, I think a more reasonable assumption would be. People at that time, that we know had basic tools and a very nomadic lifestyle and lived all over the land surrounding. They found that place, with the greater protection, stability and benefits. Population goes up so the place is sacred and worshipped, attracts greater unity, more tribes. Big seasonal hunts are carried out. With that comes hundreds if not thousands or birds, which are trapped and hunted. Eventually so much progress is made they try to replicate the sacred architecture in tribute on other locations

I agree! There are so many on-going archeological long-term projects right now and updates like this are very helpful.

I just watched ur documentary on the sea people and the late Bronze Age just last night. Super well done good job man. I can tell u put a lot of time into those videos just wanted to lyk I appreciate it.

It is too bad that the bulk of online content about any given archeological site of interest is sensationalized and conspiracy theory-ridden BS. Stefan's work on RU-vid is a manifestation of the most optimistic promises the internet offered us in its early days. I hope more people can make such contributions as our relationship with the internet continues to evolve.

Also not to hear Schmidt's - beginnings of religion nonsense.

What does a commercial archeologist do?

@@burgerbobbelcherI would like to know as well

@@burgerbobbelcher - I cannot say what this person slogs away at (mad respect for what s/he has to do in all weathers!), but my good friend, who owns a commercial archaeology company, is hired to examine various sites prior to digging and building as required by law - highways, big commercial buildings, airports, etc.

Yes! Thank you! I agree 👍

I thought the same thing.

i think we underestamate our ancient times and peoples not hunter gathers.

I've always thought that as well, but no one ever mentions finding evidence of "roof" remains. Idk

Fair point. If you look how the T's are arranged thought I doubt this was the purpose.

What an excellent comment thank you! an Excellent video. It is a 3 year old video. Now we know they lived there and processed vast amounts of food, etc. Vast numbers of ground stone have been found there and living quarters. We know more now. What a great guest, so interesting!

What’s the conspiracy surrounding this topic? And who are the conspirators?

There are many many examples of corrupt and politically influenced science

@@Tara-Maya Generally the ancient alien stuff. But also people who make sweeping claims on very little evidence

​@@nevid4694 hypothesizing is conspiracy theory? We should probably stick to the definition instead of changing the definition to fit the target.

What's Turkey like? Looks great, but a personal perspective is always more informative

A five year trip? Wow, good acid. You hunt.

Did you get a chance to see the Fallout shelter Derinkuyu underground city?

​@@IvoOtt I certainly did. Nevshehir, kapadokia.were the first places my 'guides' took me too. outstanding. 5 years later. Gobekli tepe was the final tour i took before leaving Turkey

Fusion it’s exactly what it’s always been. Just like Constantinople it’s a meeting of east and west. The river that divides instanbul is Europe on one side and Asia on the other.

Lol I don't get whats so remarkable? It had to of been one of the first inventions people even had. If not our ancestors lol. And...anyone can figure out how to make one simply and how useful it is.

or its not a bag but sunrises and sunsets.

...and the bascart.

All I can say is it is a good thing I don't have to hunt for my food. I don't even know where Tacos are native to, much less how to sneak up on them to catch them.

@@HaroldandEdge LOL! p.s. Always hunt for tacos on Tuesdays.

Scientific? Seriously?

@@Wobbz9413 what?

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@@mehmetkurtkaya3106 The pillars look almost exactly like the ones in Menorca too!

@@guillaumerusengo9371 cool. And there iş a probably reason for it.check my website or book if interested

man , its completley fake . military contractors built it in a war zone for rich guys to make money off of selling the right to excavate. We dont live in a world of truth , but world of lies , especially on you tube . You hear a naive story of research and honest money on you tube , think again . You should be the first one to know , because your elders told you that this earth is not billions of years old My elders showed me a calendar dating from the great flood , its now 7528 years since the flood . The calendar comes from the same place as this tample . So if ppl who lived there 7000 years ago say there was nothing before that , then what else can it be , then a planted site , a fake tample , made to make money off of selling it .

Best comment EVER.

In some corners of the world i fear we (they) haven't progressed much.

With the Corona pandemic right now, we are probably the most sedentary we have ever been.

The La-z-boy People led the way!

Possibly it will reverse and now we start migrating again. How many people live in the place of their birth these days? How many people work within only a mile of their homes?

Farming is NOT easy, but harder! Very labor intensive, nothing sedentary about it!

Cary Martin The skill is sitting for weeks in the sun and hitting a rock with a stone. 😐

Thank you for the intelligent comment. What has always amazed me about this site is the nature of the T pillars. Why are they there at all? They don't seem to have any structural purpose and seem unrelated to the mortar fee stone walls. They are the real mystery. They seem symbolic and the carvings of totem-like animals on them are really intriguing. The later complete burial of the site is also mind bending. All fantastic to me.

Agreed. The sorts of specialised stonemasonry skills needed to build this don't just emerge out of nowhere.

Not just the stone work but everything that goes into working on a large project. Organizing labor, organizing food production and distribution on a large scale with a large percentage of the population unavailable to help with it, not to mention all the astrological alignments and carvings with possible astrological implications.

They do discuss the villages in the region having similar workings, such as the T shaped pillars. Likely, in large part, these surrounding congregation are where these skills were developed and nurtured. Wood carving while remaining nomadic and small stone carving could be the root, then as people began to settle and stagnate their migrations, moving to larger projects would make sense.

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Those guys don't think humans are capable of anything without alien help haha

@@freefall9832 .. likely, they know Humanity is not capable of anYthing GOOD, without their help.

Shiela Marie Hankinson I think that a lot of assumptions are being made in this video, especially the effort to why does it even exist. Ritual, but why? What was the religion? Why backfill? The established accepted timeline makes no sense.

@@yuppy1967 .... assuming the concept of religion was invented yet.

Ah!! Hi Voices of the Past!! I love your videos

You honor your alias ;-) Same here, I’m in love with his style! Quietly peeling off the layers and constantly keeping an open mind. Except for this topic and I have to admit I’m a sucker for this kind of “creative thinking”. I don’t think Hancock is deliberately playing his audience and he is truly personally invested in this topic. I keep an open mind, but then again, I have to, I’m a complete n00b

Lol me too. I would love someone to seriously defend the idea that Denisovans built it.

Stefan Milo wait. That’s actually a thing people say?

@@cloudwaveASMRsleepsounds hhahahahah....2021, not a single comment....hahaha, you just portray yourselves..hahaha

I know I had never thought about it that way either. Great video topic for you!

@@StefanMilo Already done it. ;)

Easier to consume too

I made beer and wine in Bozeman for many years. I was personally surprised at how easy it was to make. 9,000 years ago it would be just as easy.

Yeah but it tastes like trash!!

A greater misnomer is "Simple" Hunter Gatherers.

Laymen typically don't understand that "hunter gatherers" also cultivated crops. For a currently impossible to determine time, humans have put selective pressure on plants and animals that were beneficial to us.

I have eaten that wild rice and agree with you.

That is still gathering, not cultivating.

It made me too

Your perception of houses makes a number of assumptions itself.

@@absalomdraconis That was just idea that hit me while listening to that interview. Its true, there are a lots of cultures building round houses through whole history. I cant proove it, but i would bet design changed with use of furniture. You can use better your space in square house. But i may be fully mistaken of course.

according to the size and extension of these structures, it does not seem to me, that it would be anyway more difficult or easier making square round or spheric tippis for those ...???? I guess humans....

@@bobwilson7684 not making, but using them... try to put shelf, or any other furniture to round, like tent, structure...

@@vladimircharvat7331 hahahaha........mmmmhahahahaha!

you need a bar to serve drinks before you need something to put them in. evolution. or something.

Archaeologists and historians have limited themselves to the thinking that our ancestors couldn't have been smart enough to do a lot of things, yet loads of these things come up. We can't even fully conceptualise things done even less then thousand years ago, let alone tens of thousands of years.

@@navdeepkumar5085 ..and were done here. You win the entire comment section.

@@navdeepkumar5085 oldest skeleton of modern human (with this same brain size as us) is dated at 200 000 years ,let this sink in guys

@@navdeepkumar5085 Agreed. It's a lack of imagination, or locking themselves into a certain prejudiced position of what ancient man might have been capable of.

Glad you like it! It really is a fascinating place.

@@StefanMilo poor mate, very poor...

Graham Hancock's son is an executive at Netflix. The world still runs as it always has: it is all about WHO you know not WHAT you know.

I agree completely. I know those stones are big but I don't see why a gathering of say 50 people couldn't cut and move one??? Like Jens said, the quarry is right next to the site.

@@StefanMilo those stones are big and extremely heavy, also if these were hunter gatherers, how did they organize and achieve this without agriculture and water? If they were following animals, wouldn't they continue to move on? These were definitely not hunter gatherers. Also we can't even talk about this until we have excavated the entire site. There Could be very well houses and other evidence of settlement.

Yeah, presumably they had a chance of belief for whatever reason.

Yup it's definitely pure speculation. As Jens says not all of the back filling may be deliberate. As we can never ask them why, all we can do is speculate as best as possible with the evidence we have at the time.

Bruh....

Bruh....

Oscar Ecsedi joe rogan would be proud

Adumb Earthling ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-I6latJFux7E.html

Bruuuuuh

The _site_ is presumably not one of a kind, but it wouldn't be _too_ odd if it was the only one developed like this at the time. Given that this is very early in the history of stationary structures, it's very possible that this was a unique combination of stationary structure and potential funerary practice. On the other hand, it's also possible that the similar structures in local villages were even a decentralized form of the same.

I find it very unlikely that there is only one site like this in the world, and we just happened to find the only one in the world. It is likely that there are more.

Boncuklu tarla was recently excavated you should check it out

Brilliant example

Agreed ^_^

Hunter/gathers are supposed to be responsible for Gobekli Tepe? Oh, no way.

@@capitalisa - Open your mind.

@@capitalisaokay, Graham Hancock.

It all balances out in the end. I could've spoken to him for 5 hours easy lol. Hopefully he'll agree to a part 2.

@@StefanMilo 👍👍

The Freemasons built this! Yeah why not... Crazy people online. These are the same people who were holding "end of the world" signs just 20 years ago. Or just their kids. Stupid people breed like flies.

@Ginnungagap Yes, no kidding. Those peeps pulled off some really amazing stuff, and I'd love to know EXACTLY how they did it.

@Ginnungagap Well, actually I don't. I guess I assume it was just brute muscle of a lot of people. Maybe with simple mechanisms like rollers and levers and so on. How could it have been anything else?

@Ginnungagap Did you even listen to Stefan's objections to Dr. Hancock's theory? They're sound. The idea that a "high civilization" would have traveled the world, sharing knowledge of agriculture, but left ABSOLUTELY NO TRACE of themselves in the patterns of crop migration, population genetics, or archaeology is fairly ridiculous. If you actually knew me and had a full picture of my online activities you'd know that I'm in fact on the "open minded" side of the spectrum - I support the possibility of a number of things that mainstream science rejects, and I'm sure some scientists would accuse me of being "fringe." I don't necessarily think any of those things MUST be true, but I see them as possibilities. Just as an example, I absolutely don't rule out the idea that there might have been some population center that got taken out by the big meltwater pulses back around Younger Dryas time. Maybe even one on some mid-Atlantic ridge islands that would correspond to Plato's writings on Atlantis. Some of those people might have migrated at the time of the sea rise over to Sumeria - there has to be SOME good explanation for why Sumerian is a language isolate compared to Akkadian and the other languages of the Fertile Crescent region. But when you start piling too much onto that story - when you start attributing truly sophisticated technology similar to ours today to such a "lost" civilization, or when you start making the whole thing depend on some kind of psychic powers that we have no trace of today, and so on. it just becomes unbelievable. This happens *all the time* online - someone starts with some reasonably plausible points, and just keeps at it until the become ridiculous and, yes - worthy of being mocked. I am open minded, but not stupidly so. Take care and stay safe.

Exactly this guy is a fool.

It is true that hanter gatherers wouldn't be able to produce that much super product to drive such a construction and what's more interesting is that the older parts are superior to those built afterwards and that's a sign of degredation of technique which is very strange.

@Nick Nack it is strange to me because i would expect a gratual increase in size and complexity and not the opposite. I mean does it make senee to build the largest and most difficult and technically demanding first?

@Nick Nack So an explanation would be that the newer parts could be better and more robust because the builders had the skill and knowledge to do it but they did not want to waste man power and resources to do it? Because the materials if understand correctly are the same so much for the old as much for the new parts.

@Nick Nack So even though there is no difference in the materials and the technique is clearly detoriorating meaning that the old builders knew more about building stone staff than the new builders, you stick to the village example where the materials are clearly different, and even though their foundation won't last that long their overall properties are essentially better and serve different purposes basedd on technological advancement. Everyone knows that the empire state building won't last as much as the pyramids but we all know that the empire state is much more advanced that the pyramids.

This guys comment answers yours... John Allright 10 months ago As A roofer I would find it so easy to build a roof structure on top of the t shapes, ideal for load bearing like a lot of modern concrete t structures for motorway bridges etc.

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No, it isn't.

I COMPLETELY AGREE AND THE FILL IN OF THE SIGHT BuryinG IT WAS DONE PORPUSLY, GRAHAM HANCOCK SAYS WW HAVE NO IDEA HOW OLD IT TRULY IS 50% OF IT'S STILL UNDERSTAND.

Welcome to archeology. No data and lots of assumptions yet they call it a science

people love to gossip

@@charlesradford7495 Why would anyone care what an astrologist thinks?

such is culture !

lol this is the reason why I don’t believe a word these idiots say. The site is only 10% excavated and he’s trying to tell me it’s built by hunters gathers who havnt even built a cup yet.

Hunter gatherers lmao..

Ok, who built it then? Fucking aliens?

@@basedtvrk9125 No. I think it was built by a previous human advanced civilization that must died off. I actually think that happened numerous times.