@Ring-a-ding-ding baby Bullshit! Look at Bloodborne and Horizon Zero Dawn. Games filled with detail in its levels and environments, they didn't need a restrictive, poorly designed camera to compensate.
Spot on critique! "The dude killed the entire Olympian pantheon shirtless, and you're telling me you have to level up armor?" just takes the cake for me.
@@digvijaysingh9658 Quote from an actual interview with Cory Barlog (the game's director): Interviewer: "What happened to Kratos' double jump" Cory: "He left it in greece"
Imagine Mario being rebooted as an uncharted styled cinematic adventure game where he and Luigi go on an emotional journey across the mushroom kingdom.
Can't wait for the doom reboot were you have to take a son and learn him to fight. Oh and you can only carry 2 weapons and only fight demons once every 10 mins in between walky talky bits and they have a billion health points.
"...Murderers can only recover their humanity through the innocence of youth, but will I ever recover the time I spent...walking in these games?" Good point.
If ypu like walking and graphics woth movie graphics and even full lenghth movies Death stranding is you shit. I actually love the game but it is definitely a walking simulator lol death stranding i mean God Of War was trash.
That red warning light is so bizarre and out of place. It's like the developers realized this kind of over-the-shoulder camera view doesn't work for a beat-em-up style of gameplay so they put that blinking little light in rather then making the camera spread out. As you said before, this camera angle is generally good for shooters and such, but they're so devoted to copycatting The Last of Us that they copy things that don't even make sense in their own gameplay style.
What you on about they wanted the player to be close to the action? This game is by no means perfect but it does come pretty close it's combat is really not as bad as is being made out neither is the camera
God Hand, anybody? Or just look around like, I don't know, you would in real life! Update: Looking further into the video, I noticed God Hand is beeing mentioned, ok good!
@@marcbraun5342 Yeah, but don't you remember that that part of the video goes into detail on why God Hand's camera worked and why God of War's doesn't? 10:28. Did you even watch the video? God Hand didn't need a flashing red light to show danger since there wasn't a bunch of long range enemies hitting you from off screen either so...
SparkySpice0911 I think on their own genre each, dmc5 on hack n slash and doom eternal on fps, im impressed with both games, I feel like both elevate what action games can do in terms of free form gameplay and player growth to express old school skill based gameplay, to me right now both games are examples of the highest of the medium, not story driven games with average at best gameplay, but hey that's just my opinion
@@SparkySpice0911 "Doom eternal takes the crown in a petty contest between two games so dissimilar it does a diservice to their character to compare them so linearly" Yeah that smash pfp sure checks out
KingKien1 puzzles, i get that but when it’s fighting? That’s like telling me to eat my favorite food, but i can only eat half of the portion. Doing Puzzles aren’t the same as fighting.
@@KingKien95 That is a terrible take m8. So basically we forget everything that made one of the best hack and slash games what it was, instead to like this slow ass generic over the shoulder walking game? Yeah no thanks m8 because this game wasn't god of war at all for.
It's the same as the old Greek GoW. Only unlike the greek GoW, these 2 looks more tedious to go through, like a roller coaster that goes slower than your granma and have no loops nor ups and downs
You know, I've realized that a lot of journos and bloggers are praising this game as being the "savior" because it lacks things like microtransactions, day-one DLC, is single-player focused, and more, while forgetting that a lot of the games in 2017 were also that as well. Did the 2017 Star Wars Battlefront II debacle just overshadow everything all those other awesome single-player games did that year?
You mean it has the same story as The Last of Us but in a mythological setting, further reiterating that Sony has lost all the variety they once had? K.
@@evalynehicks343 That's incorrect Kratos wants to release his mom's ashes to respect her final wish. TLOU has you trying to deliver Ellie to get guns. But then it turns out that Joel wants Ellie as a daughter. Learn what context is.
@@frogglen6350 Compared with DMC V and bloodborne this game is mediocre some people have the guts to say this game has one the best combat system of the generation the standards for good combat are really low if they really think this game is nowhere near games like sekiro bloodborne or DMC V
Original GoW actually had a complex story, with pretty cool messages. Cory just forgot about it, because he wanted to make a Last of Us with he’s character... what a shame.
This comment from Balrog drives me nuts, cause the new Dad of War tries to tell a story yet also has you ripping apart werewolves just because they were on your way to a preferred burial site for your wife. Despite the comment, the dude is trying to have his cake and eat it too. And both the story and gameplay suffer as a result
Okey let's make Kratos kill Thor Odin baldur Freya Sex mini games Let's make Kratos kill Osiris Ra Anubis Horus Sex mini games Let's make Kratos kill All the hindu, aztec, Roman gods Let's make Kratos kill Jesus and God It's so fun isn't it
Its also frustrating to be one of the people who share your perspective about games. I wouldnt say any one has told me its unreasonable be disappointed by these games but I hate this feeling about myself that im jaded. There is a cyclical process that occurs whenever Im excited for a mediocre AAA game. I get excited for a game, frustrated after ive played it, and then indirectly ostracized by reviewers. At this point im genuinely concerned that the industry i care about wont fit for me anymore. Then finally I have the choice to share those vulnerabilities to others, some of witch vehemently disagree. People assume you are inflammatory when walking this path but personally, I look to others for consolidation and understanding. I hope some of you can identify with the way I think, I encourage you all to embrace forums and comment sections when you have something to say and never back down when someone wants to obscure your intent with their chaos.
I'm genuinely wondering if everyone has forgotten about Calliope. Was she even mentioned in this game? This isn't exactly Kratos's first time as a dad. And in the original trilogy I didn't need it shoved in my face that he loved his family. I could just tell by the few moments they had.
Something's really bothered me with this. Calliope is not mentioned, his wife neither. Or Pandora. Basically what we get is Athena and Zeus. Zeus...... Can't think of one reason why tf Zeus was in helheim. Other than to fit with the plot. There's a good long list of things Kratos did that really affected him and Zeus was not one of them. All of a sudden he's just feeling guilty for killing his father? Why? Zeus was an asshole, the reason Athena died and he destroyed Sparta. Why tf would he feel anything for Zeus? Only to fit that dialogue in the end with Atreus and Baldur? It could've been Calliope and his wife there. I don't get it.
The good bits of GOW4's story are a rehash of GOW1 and the 2 PSP games, with references to the other things he did in GOW2 and 3... The rest is shitty dwarves doing Marvel humour and awful contrived boss fights, character heel turns and so on. Actual Kratos would have ripped the head off of the dwarves after forcing them to do all the upgrades!
@@anneshepard I know this comment is over a year old, but didn’t kratos kind of cause Zeus and all the other gods to be the way that they were? After gaining the ability to kill gods in GOW 1? My guess is that’s why he might feel some guilt and that’s why Zeus shows up, but even then Zeus was an asshole beforehand.
Dante : The don't make them like me anymore. There was this other guy though, Demi-God. He wield chained blade or something. Lady : I've heard he's finally retired. Dante : Really? Lady : Yup. Dante : It's only me. *Sad airhorn*
Ya let’s just ignore the fact that the vast, and I mean VAST majority of the game is combat. The walking segments are inly really prevalent at the start, and than appear like 2 more times later and that’s it, but go on my guy.
@@kevinnigins9488 no it isn’t lmao, the majority of the game is walking around and pressing circle to do stupid puzzles. and the combat isn’t even good on repeat playthroughs
@@kevinnigins9488 Doesn't really help the game's case, when outside of few narratively relevant bossfights, the combat is by and large more frustrating than fun and starts to feel like just something for you to do in between cutscenes and walking segments, where all the story is at.
@@n_word_gaming true brother. If these people only wanna tell stories, they probably should just make comics or manga or tv series or whatever but Video Games. Video Games are always Gameplay first, story and whatnot seconds.
You know its funny, i enjoyed the game the first time i played through it, but it literally has next to no replay value because of the forced pacing. Just never felt like playing it again, and i was one of the starch defenders of this game
For sure man. I tried playing it again to go for the platinum, but I don't think I'll be able to because of how slow the damn game is. It's just not that satisfying to play the second time around.
@@Zombanic I disagree. Because of the insane amount of lore, just giving it that second playthrough wraps it up and everything makes more sense. Like the fact Baldur was looking for Faye when he fought Kratos, and he thought Kratos was Faye.
I really hate this ignorant notion that old video game characters and stories were always dumb and one-dimensional and only now can video game stories be taken seriously ... because they're literally trying to be movies.
@@kevinnigins9488 As opposed to now, where his character depth begins and ends more or less with that exact same notion? Kratos may not have been the most deepest of character before, but I very much fail to see the new game having done anything that would have changed it and yet that is one of the most common grounds it got praised on...
@@kevinnigins9488 what exactly does GoW 4 do that wasn't already explored in the other games? Literally just reverted him to Pre GoW1 Kratos, except it feels more out of character. Well, you gotta use the triple A game approved formula of adding some kid to manufacture character development, even if Kratos' decent to absolute rage and madness IS character development.
What bothered me the "RPG elements" (I use the term loosely in GoW 2018) was how arbitrary they felt. RPG elements, even light ones such as those in the Souls series, are usually included to open up new gameplay options that the player wouldn't otherwise have. In GoW 2018, there's only one way to play, and altering Kratos' stats doesn't change anything -- it's not like you can do a _magic run_ or something analogous. It would've been _really_ nice if Kratos had, oh I don't know, an assortment of new and imaginative weapons _like he did in the older games_ for the player to experiment & toy around with. It doesn't take much to justify the inclusion of an RPG stats system. The aforementioned Souls series did a pretty good job.
Lubble-1397 no, even once you know what you’re doing, having to track your stats just ends up gating your experience. The problem is that, aside from Cooldown, the stats don’t amount to anything meaningful. In dedicated action-RPG’s, investing in different stats usually gives you access to new builds. You have stat requirements, damage scaling, etc. All GoW 2018 had to do was give us different weapons or abilities to justify min-maxing specific stats for specific builds. Unlocking new moves as you progressed was a great first step, but it needed expanding. God of War 2018 is a game that _looks_ like an action-RPG, but with none of the depth or per-encounter decision making that normally comes with it.
You know its bad when Kratos need a dedicated button just to turn around. The game mechanics feels like you're handling an Armoured Core with Kratos skin..
This comment is 4 years old but I completely agree. A dedicated turn around button, an FPS-style grenade indicator, AND characters shouting directions. They have THREE different things to try and fix the terrible camera... instead of just, you know, pulling the camera out and fixing it. This is one of those times where they have been so focused on their "vision" that gameplay suffers.
Holy shit, the thought of this happening to Devil May Cry keeps me awake at night. I can see the articles now, every time I close my eyes they're there: "Dante finally has depth!"
this game was just Oscar bait. i agree with the comparison to yakuza. yeah they tell a serious story with a great cast but they also know they're a game so they let players actually have these cool attacks then work them into the serious setting while still having these characters actually be interesting and cool.
Honestly I would be fine with the Oscar bait if the story was consistent but they kind of screwed up a lot throughout the story, only for it to feel incomplete. I sort of forgive it because the characters make up for it but the section with Atreus going edgy only for it to be forgotten once it stopped being necessary for the plot was bizarre. Or the way they ignored the past of Kratos, I'm okay with an elipsis but can't you at least hint at background? What's going on, why is Kratos so different? I like him more now, but how do I believe this?
I don't get why people claim not enjoying this game is "nitpicking." I didn't enjoy it so I looked deeper so as to understand why. I don't think that's nitpicking, I think that's reasoning. If I say I don't enjoy something and can't explain why, people will claim I'm just trying to be a bother and rain on their parade. It's not about finding reasons not to like it, it's about finding reasons *why* I didn't like it. And if we've gotten to the point where people cannot except that as basis for conversation, there are things to really worry about regarding our future in the tradition of debate.
Oni376 technically, nitpicking is criticism because if a game is almost perfect, that still means it could improve. And that's why video game reviews exist, to not only inform the viewer of if a games is good, but to also dismantle the game and point out some flaws. It's considered nitpicking for a reason though, because most of the time nitpicking is unnecessary when a game is amazing. But it doesn't mean that all nit picks should be thrown out the window entirely.
I hated how they advertised their game as having that 'immersive' single shot camera thingy. This wasn't even the first game to do that. Have people already forgotten about the Dead Space games having it, too ?
And tbh dead space even felt more immersive than god of war 4. For example you can see your health bar at the back of your character, ammo count on the weapons, map/inventory as a hologram coming from your suit.
God of War 3 had a pretty good single shot camera. I don’t know why they just forgot about that. Okay sometimes it wasn’t exactly that, but the beginning section especially had no cuts.
Sometimes I feel like I’m one of the few people who still wants to “play” video games and not watch a CGI B movie plot be exposited to me via some voice in my character’s head while I’m being forced to walk down the worlds longest hallway.
@@surferOS101 then you are gonna be more sick in the future. I just hope Halo infinite or anything Rockstar does not go this way. We just have to accept I guess that the legendary PS2 days are over. Its all about the mature cinematic stories with a little bit of walking
@@surferOS101 Exactly. Honestly that part of that that really bugs me is how the majority big name journalists and critics who review these refuse to acknowledge any legitimate criticism and pretend like the problems don't exist and/or were intentional.
With Sony's recent announcement on "Blockbusters only for PlayStation Studios games", this video really terrifies me on the direction of AAA gaming for PlayStation.
Japan studio's demise is so fucking depressing especially after playing the gravity rush games with how much personality and creativity is shown from those games
@@shawklan27 that was the last franchise from Sony with any originality, it fucking suck that it die because of poor advertisement and weak sales, heck the only reason i knew of the existence of 2 was because i love the og so much and was following the dev for 2, i still remember the trailer from 2013 for the vita.
I'm against scores with decimals on it, but if you are going to have them, then be consistent and be VERY attentious who you give a 10 to! Games that DIDN'T get 10s out the door: Silent Hill 2, MGS3, FF7, FF9, Thief 2, Deus Ex, Planescape Torment, Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime, RE4, REmake, Xenogears, Castlevania Symphony of the Night, Chrono Trigger, System Shock 2, Half Life, Half Life 2, Shadow of the Colossus... And suddenly, to surpass these timeless classics, we are in an age where it's so easy to get a 10 even with no groundbreaking qualities! I honestly dont care for the reviews, but for the people who buy into it. In 5-year post-Last of Us world I thought we've been through this but I was wrong. Viral marketing is through the fuckin roof
Well, they may have or not. As long as you know the person reviewing it it's fine since that number should tell you something not just about the game, but the reviewer. I don't like decimals because it is a pretension, that you can simply sum up all the parts quantitatively as if there was something objective to be said about each of them. You can't.
With that list you've just given, I'm starting to wonder what else didn't get a 10 from the get go yet went on to be a classic. Huh, now I'll have to think on this.
Because When it’s done well, which is already difficult enough, it’s really impressive. It also helps gamers stick straight to the story and gameplay and not have to be bogged down by loading screens. Seriously if you don’t die throughout the game there is no loading.
@@mattyb4702 but done too much and it's become a gimmick. Yes, it's impressive but does it even necessary overall tho? Even films that utilized this shot a lot more would mixed it up with other shots to tell their stories. Also, this game isn't that fully commit to it as well, like that film BirdMan. We do get a single shot whenever we were in control yet they dropped them during cutscenes. Personally i think it'll make a much better experience if they kept the camera angle like in Greek GoW, while keeping most of the dialogues and dynamics.
@@mattyb4702 Yeah there’s no loading but there’s a LOT of squeezing through narrow passages or sitting in elevators to hide loading screens. And honestly during scripted combat encounters it makes it look even dumber when Kratos throws whoever he’s fighting and you see them slide around into position for the cutscene. It looks so awkward.
As long as it is still a Devil May Cry, there is nothing wrong here. Hell, I would actually be very interested in Uncle Dante helping his brother's son Nero help confront his origin, maybe something involving rescuing Vergil out of his demise in the demon world or something. As long as we can mainly expand (NOT REPLACE like God of Snore) Nero's combat (tbh, I think Dante kinda reached his peak already, but you can still do somethign with him I suppose.) and maybe even give him a rival character similar to Vergil, DMC5 should be perfectly fine, as long as CAPCOM learns from the highlights of DMC4 and especially DMC3, latter one absolutely nailing the gameplay/narrative dynamic.
MrEinFan whaaaaat??? You’re fine with trashing GoW because they changed Kratos character & gave him a son....but if crapcom put that same exact story on Dante it’s ok all of a sudden???????? What exactly was so bad about the combat in this GoW game? What were you able to do in the past GoW games that you can’t do here? Other than mash square button? Lmfao. People like you are fuckin sad. Dude, devil may cry, bayonetta, and whatever other weirdo anime Hentai action game are meant for a specific audience. People who play popular AAA games don’t come into ur little circle jerking sessions to say those games are bad....but you guys are soooooooo insecure, bitter & jealous of AAA games, to the point where you go out of your way to trash people that play them. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
MrEinFan While I'm not too big on the idea, Capcom, Itsuno and Kamiya are pretty good at making deep and nuanced combat systems so even if they go for a weird ass TPS-cinematic Uncle of Style reimagining of DMC it's pretty likely it would still trump this GoW in terms of gameplay.
This whole video, especially towards the end personifies how I feel about gaming so well. I generally liked GOW, but at the same time I didn't like it either. I got bored of the amount of enemies the game kept chucking at me and was desperate for the cutscenes to play out instead of the actual game itself. I played on "Give Me God Of War" as my first time round and a lot of the points point brang up in the video really hit home for me. I'm quite fed up of all the games they're spoon feeding me nowadays because all of my favorite to play games are at least 10 years old or over now (I'm 26 btw). Half the stuff they sell to us now needs to be a story driven, 100 hour, RPG element, open world, BeAuTiFuL GrApHiCs and cut scene heavy drivel. It's happened to me so much recently with most of the modern stuff I've bought, I feel quite pissed off when I go back to the 360/PS3 era or even further back than that and half of the titles from those times are literally 4x cheaper and are just better to play. Sure those games from those era's aren't the most polished and technology has come a long way, but companies need to stop ripping the soul out of games. Every game we play nowadays doesn't need to be a 1080p masterclass with photo realism and heavy story driven bullshit for me to really appreciate what I'm playing. PS. loved the nod to the PS2 at the end, that was great, makes me feel really comfortable that there are people out there still in love with that kind of stuff and aren't just begging for the next new release.
No game has ever disappointed me as much as this. I don't mean this is the worst game ever, rather that my expectations were so high, and what we got was so mediocre. But now watching everyone and their dog losing their mind over it and buying multiple copies I know that it is going to stay. Had they made it as an actual successor in the style of the originals it could have worked, had they made it in the style of the Arkham Asylum/Mad Max or TLOU/Uncharted style contextual combat, physical models that interact rather than clipping through each other like this DarkSouls/Skyrim abomination then it COULD have worked, had they not also botched the story and characters and removed all the boss variety, added a Zelda boss fight, the awful Marvel style humourous moments and removed all the jumping platforming, puzzles etc... And the violence, the one thing the series was known for. Kratos ripped the head off of Helios the God of the Sun and used it as a weapon for the rest of the game, a God who there is no canonical description of his death (which is fine, such is Kratos' power, that's why we are seeing the story of Kratos not some other guy) instead in a fight against Baldur (someone who does canonically have a weakness) Kratos decides a neck snap is enough and he can't be bothered to check if the guy is dead when he is obviously a God...although WHY ISN'T A NECK SNAP ENOUGH??? Kratos didn't fail to kill any of the other Gods when he killed them... What about an explanation of how Kratos got to the Norse world, what happened to the Greek world he came from, it could be told through flashbacks, it could be gradually revealed how he met this lady, or you know actually introduce her beforehand so we give a shit... imagine if TLOU opened on the "20 years later" and the firefly attack and you only get Joel or Tommy occasionally mention Sarah, imagine how dumb that would be and how nobody would care nearly as much as when you play AS Sarah for the introduction, and then as Joel trying to save her. Even ignoring the problems with gameplay generated by the camera, the lack of budget for multiple enemy types, the repetitious bosses (just dodge roll left very easy) and the pointless RPG element (why do I want another shoulderpad of +1% parry timing or sandals of -2% runic attack cooldown this is fucking Kratos I shouldn't be dressing him up in some silly golden breastplate) even ignoring all that the FUCKING STORY makes so many amateur mistakes, awful pacing, woeful character setup and a stupid late heel turn that as abruptly turns back just...dogshit writing!
I can remember in GOW3, especially the hermes chase, the platforming was its best. Now , Kratos the former GOW who murdered a pantheon, can't jump over a rock without his son pushing the chain down and can't jump during the combat and I never understood the enchantment and gear based progression.
No game has ever disappointed me as much as this. I don't mean this is the worst game ever, rather that my expectations were so high, and what we got was so mediocre. But now watching everyone and their dog losing their mind over it and buying multiple copies I know that it is going to stay. Had they made it as an actual successor in the style of the originals it could have worked, had they made it in the style of the Arkham Asylum/Mad Max or TLOU/Uncharted style contextual combat, physical models that interact rather than clipping through each other like this DarkSouls/Skyrim abomination then it COULD have worked, had they not also botched the story and characters and removed all the boss variety, added a Zelda boss fight, the awful Marvel style humourous moments and removed all the jumping platforming, puzzles etc... And the violence, the one thing the series was known for. Kratos ripped the head off of Helios the God of the Sun and used it as a weapon for the rest of the game, a God who there is no canonical description of his death (which is fine, such is Kratos' power, that's why we are seeing the story of Kratos not some other guy) instead in a fight against Baldur (someone who does canonically have a weakness) Kratos decides a neck snap is enough and he can't be bothered to check if the guy is dead when he is obviously a God...although WHY ISN'T A NECK SNAP ENOUGH??? Kratos didn't fail to kill any of the other Gods when he killed them... What about an explanation of how Kratos got to the Norse world, what happened to the Greek world he came from, it could be told through flashbacks, it could be gradually revealed how he met this lady, or you know actually introduce her beforehand so we give a shit... imagine if TLOU opened on the "20 years later" and the firefly attack and you only get Joel or Tommy occasionally mention Sarah, imagine how dumb that would be and how nobody would care nearly as much as when you play AS Sarah for the introduction, and then as Joel trying to save her. Even ignoring the problems with gameplay generated by the camera, the lack of budget for multiple enemy types, the repetitious bosses (just dodge roll left very easy) and the pointless RPG element (why do I want another shoulderpad of +1% parry timing or sandals of -2% runic attack cooldown this is fucking Kratos I shouldn't be dressing him up in some silly golden breastplate) even ignoring all that the FUCKING STORY makes so many amateur mistakes, awful pacing, woeful character setup and a stupid late heel turn that as abruptly turns back just...dogshit writing!
@@esmeecampbell7396 sounds like you’re seething tbh Also I’m not sure where the “marvel humour” is in GOW, I don’t remember physically cringing during the game. And you’re argument against the armour/enchantments while reasonable, since kratos is strong af, was just added as extra progression past XP, which I think was actually a move forward compared to previous entries which still has plenty of upgrades.
@@model-t6020 I'm certainly annoyed I don't dispute that, you can call it what you want, it doesn't invalidate my position. When the latest Call of Duty comes out and sucks I don't care because I had no attachment to the series, it might be worse than God of War 4 but I doesn't annoy me as much. If I'd wanted to hate God of War 4 then it wouldn't bother me, it's precisely because I wanted it to be amazing that I was disappointed. And for reference, if you care, the "humour" I was referring to is found in the introductions of the dwarf brothers, annoying, shit humour and characters that real Kratos would have killed for their insolence or forced them to improve his weapons then killed (this is a guy who killed man for the key around his neck if you can remember, assuming you've actually played the real God of War games because a lot of the "fans" haven't played anything before the most recent one) and don't use the tired "but character development he's better now he's older" because that isn't how it works really and this right at the start of the game, "character development" happening in between games that we can't see is lazy writing and a case of telling not showing (see Kratos good now) which is crap. Like I say, it's precisely because I cared so much that I feel so bad about what is a functionally average game 6 or 7 out of 10 with a average to bad story, receiving constant praise and perfect review scores, high sales; because now I know that not only will the next one be like it (which I won't like therefore) but it will spread like cancer through the gaming industry as other series scramble to imitate GOW4 in order to share some of the success.
@@sand7861 except my point is he still should be. Nothing significantly different has happened in his life and they off screened a large amount of time rather than showing anything so I don't care about what has happened in between because I haven't seen it. Mindlessly accepting character change without any earned development is idiotic and just lazy writing. This isn't Kratos, this is some standard Viking game that they slapped a Kratos skin onto, it's as comical as the Thomas the Tank Engine mod for Skyrim dragons.
Glad to report that God of war Ragnarok does everything the same, but there's even more walkie talkie, more cutscenes and more handholding than before!
@@TenshiCat this comment right here. Like, I disagree with this Jakub guy, Ragnarok's hand holding is ever present only in the first few hours (and I hated that) but I think the overall (very) long experience is far better than the previous GoW. But shit, let Jakub comment whatever, it's his opinion, @mister pinkman. The whole idea of "let people enjoy things" is absolutely fucking stupid. This entire video is proof that you should let people voice their disagreement because it can lead to some interesting discussions
@@roboknobthesnob Spoilers alert: I love Ragnarok's ending plot of Sindri finally snapping, becoming angry towards the father and son, Sindri's anger was properly justified as the game further exposes Kratos and Atreus as indirectly taking Sindri's kindness and generosity for granted, they just keep on taking and taking, never showing appreciation towards him, the only time Kratos showed actual respect and admiration towards the dwarf is with Brok when he ask him to bless his spear even if he knew Brok was dead and cannot impart any enchantment of magic on it. Atreus not apologizing to Sindri when he became a hothead, turned into a bear and attacked him; Atreus not even coming on Brok's funeral are the major red flags that proves Atreus is not as noble and many people would think
The ending of this video hit me pretty hard. I don't have a problem with games that focus on being "cinematic" and telling a story through minimal interaction. Those games aren't for me, but they are great for a lot of people, and that's cool. The thing is, I feel like THOSE games are the ones that are propped up. Its the TLOUs and GoWs of the world that get 10s and heralded as the next step forward for the genre. That's the new hot stuff. And with games becoming so expensive to make, the number of big-budget titles for a more "niche" audience looking for just some good video games instead of "immersive cinematic experiences" is becoming smaller and smaller. It was like being a shooter fan in 2007 when CoD4 took the world by storm and EVERY multiplayer game from then on had these dumb unlock progression systems. Great video games are still being made, don't get me wrong. Its just a shame that the Alien Isolations and NieR Automatas of the world receive far less critical acclaim than walking segment dad-em-ups.
No game has ever disappointed me as much as this. I don't mean this is the worst game ever, rather that my expectations were so high, and what we got was so mediocre. But now watching everyone and their dog losing their mind over it and buying multiple copies I know that it is going to stay. Had they made it as an actual successor in the style of the originals it could have worked, had they made it in the style of the Arkham Asylum/Mad Max or TLOU/Uncharted style contextual combat, physical models that interact rather than clipping through each other like this DarkSouls/Skyrim abomination then it COULD have worked, had they not also botched the story and characters and removed all the boss variety, added a Zelda boss fight, the awful Marvel style humourous moments and removed all the jumping platforming, puzzles etc... And the violence, the one thing the series was known for. Kratos ripped the head off of Helios the God of the Sun and used it as a weapon for the rest of the game, a God who there is no canonical description of his death (which is fine, such is Kratos' power, that's why we are seeing the story of Kratos not some other guy) instead in a fight against Baldur (someone who does canonically have a weakness) Kratos decides a neck snap is enough and he can't be bothered to check if the guy is dead when he is obviously a God...although WHY ISN'T A NECK SNAP ENOUGH??? Kratos didn't fail to kill any of the other Gods when he killed them... What about an explanation of how Kratos got to the Norse world, what happened to the Greek world he came from, it could be told through flashbacks, it could be gradually revealed how he met this lady, or you know actually introduce her beforehand so we give a shit... imagine if TLOU opened on the "20 years later" and the firefly attack and you only get Joel or Tommy occasionally mention Sarah, imagine how dumb that would be and how nobody would care nearly as much as when you play AS Sarah for the introduction, and then as Joel trying to save her. Even ignoring the problems with gameplay generated by the camera, the lack of budget for multiple enemy types, the repetitious bosses (just dodge roll left very easy) and the pointless RPG element (why do I want another shoulderpad of +1% parry timing or sandals of -2% runic attack cooldown this is fucking Kratos I shouldn't be dressing him up in some silly golden breastplate) even ignoring all that the FUCKING STORY makes so many amateur mistakes, awful pacing, woeful character setup and a stupid late heel turn that as abruptly turns back just...dogshit writing!
there are barely any in the game, this comment section is a cesspool of people who either haven't played the game and watched a few mins online or xbox or pc fanboys shitting on the game for no reason.
@@saadrehman7688 you know the boat sections and the "platforming" sections which arent really platforming, since you cannot fail them nor they require you to press more than one button are also walking simulators. Funnily enough this game has more variety in its different walking simulators than it has variety in gameplay or puzzles. My favorite walking simulation was when Kratos was carrying a pig for 4 minutes while walking on a straight line. After that scene I knew why people were calling it game of the generation. Those poor PC players will never experience such a great scene
XD XD , You nailed it , he can't come back from this Savage Dose of truth , When this Wannabe game have worse climbing mechanics than uncharted 4 , you know they fucked so bad , there are no penalties for failing the platforming sections !!! , Dear god , Game of the year riiiiight !! , XD XD
For what it's worth, I don't really see this influencing DMC5 or other straight up hack n' slash games given this sort of style of game seems to be a very western concept. I don't see the devs behind the DMC games looking at this and thinking "Yeah. THIS is the way we want to do things".
Thank goodness for that. Its funny many shat on Ryse back in 2013 for many of the things this game is being praised for. Even the parry effects look similar.
@@joesinister Ryse was shat on because it was short and lacked literally any depth, god of war is no dmc5 but it still has enough moves and abilities that can make things interesting. its also just better
I'm so glad someone else sees the issues with this game. I knew the game was gonna do well and maybe it deserves it in some areas but at least I can see an actual review of this game that isn't blinded by journalist praise
Ricky Gutierre Even if you don't like the direction, if the gameplay and potential surpasses it then you can change the minds of those detractors. Gow4 doesn't really do that. It plays it way too safe and falls into a lot of traps these types of games set up for themselves
I jut finished it and honestly i was actually quite impressed by how better the story feels when you experience it yourself. I knew it already from youtube on release, but now on pc i came out the other end with an overall positive impression, while also being able to agree that combat in this is, putting it extremely mildly, an afterthought. But i really enjoy more thoughtful approach to Kratos's character, mixing up of mythologies, and frankly flawless voice work by some of those actors. This direction for GoW does not overwrite or invalidate original games, it builds on top, so it's a bit weird to see everyone wanting "that good ol stuff" back when there was frankly more than enough of it. I really hope they fix at least some fo the combat issues in Ragnarok, cuz if i can enjoy combat in God of fucking War as much as i do in, say, DMC or Souls, it'd actually be superior to the original.
@@ulfberht4431 thing is, you're not OP in the old GOW games, you need to learn the enemy attack patterns first, and each combo isn't just a copy of the others, you can make combos yourself
100% with you on the single-shot camera thing. The reason it's impressive in films is because it takes a whole bunch of people operating at their absolute best at the same time for an extended period of time; somewhat less impressive when it's just programmed in, so you have to ask "why did they choose this? Is this the best option or would cuts have actually suited the scene better?" In some cases here it just became distracting, adding a bunch of shaky energy to totally static scenes of conversation for seemingly no reason.
I mean yeah exactly, it's a virtual camera, it can go wherever it wants, in the sky, the ground, inside a vulcano, everywhere. The game with the most impressive cinematography is MGS5. Damn were the cutscenes a feast for the eyes
So you don't like the game and that means fans are overblowing it ?...what if its the other way around ? then i guess others are just hating it for the sake of it ?
To you it isn't but to other people it works perfectly. So i guess opinions ?..Neither you nor Brit here has some sort of objective authority over what works and what doesn't !
I mean, if camera was like in Dark Souls, a little further from Kratos I would've been ok with it. For the gamestyle they were going with, I think it would've worked even better than single-shot, but I feel like some encounters were made like it was an old style GOW but not the new one with RE4 camera. With big arenas and enemies chuging projectyles from every corner. And thouse fucking Dark Elfs? They make me miss jumping button so much, it's a mystery why it's not in the game.
Single-shots are not impressive because of the fact it's difficult to set up. They're impressive because it's used to convey a certain feeling. Walking and talking is boring but making it a single shot gives the subject a feeling of tension as though the subject matter is so serious they don't have time to slow down. Being hard to do means nothing for people that haven't gone to film school.
Unfortunately this is the fate of many beloved franchises of the past that are on standby: Take the mechanics and characteristics of the "new hot thingy" and slap said franchise's name on it (point in case: God of War name on The Last of Us storytelling/Uncharted mechanics). In my opinion we can only look at what Indie and Japan's game developers are doing and have hope in our hearts.
Denis N Am I really? How so? This GoW isn't a bad game, that's not at all what I said. Also, I can't really hate a game I have no intention of playing, because if I have any feels, at all, for this game, is this one: indifference. And let me expand a bit on this situation: do you believe that the developers of this GoW are capable of doing a "father-son story with norse mithology with 'The Last of Us' inspiration and 'Uncharted+Resident Evil 4~6' mechanics" without GoW theme/story? I sure as hell DO believe that they can, but the people calling the shots don't want that. That's why people hate the "oscar-baits". They COULD be something original and full of surprises, but instead they went with "let's please the majority and the people giving the awards" and you can feel that it lacks passion.
The higher difficulties are so lazy too, they decrease player health and increase enemy health. It's so lazy to be playing on hard expecting challenge to be interesting but it just boils down to don't get hit and hit the enemy 20 times. I feel like the hearthstone things don't work here. If you gained health from kills I think it would help. But the constant spongy enemies is so annoying.
"Yes, but, but, God of War grew up! We got rid of the teenage-mindset senseless violence and boobies! Deep stories with meanings! We are now adults!" - every gamejourno about God of War All I got to say is that if this is what growing up means, then I guess kids are right: adults are boring as fuck. Also, actual adults don't need to try and act like adults (do just adult things, like adults things etc.), actual, mentally grown up people are mature enough to let go and be goofy every now and then. They are old enough to pick up funny, entertaining, popcorn movies or crazy, violent games and have fun with them and not let someone trying to shame them for liking mindless fun be a problem. It's the children, either actual children or people mentally at that stage, who have try to act like adults to pass as them. And I can't get over the feeling that gamejournos who praise this game for "growing up" and showing the way for the rest of the industry, are actually just children trying to pass as adults: "Look, we only like grownup things like serious stories with none of that crazy action! Only teenage boys like games like the old God of War games!" P.s. You pretty much summed up my experience with the game so far (even though I don't have history with the other character action games like Bayonetta, Devil May Cry or God of War). At this point, a bit over 10 hours into the game I have to force myself to play it through just because I spent 69,95 € on it. Luckily I decided to buy it as a physical copy so I can at least re-sell it for some money.
Fuck those gay punkasses. I cannot understand why lgbt and sjw have such grasp over games. It's riddiculous that those chumps would even try to force anyone to like what they like. I don't want Kratos to be a touchy bitch. That guy ripped head right from Helios's body with his bare hands and now he is opening chests with loot or having bland conversations with "strong independend woman". I don't like that brat and all the other characters. They're all annoying, even that talking head. There should be market for any type of games, but somehow gaming is really bland copies of each other or generic uninspired boring shit. Censorship everywhere. Where are games like Manhunt, The Suffering or Max Payne? Forcing multiplayers, lootboxes and microtransactions is gay too.
@@luanmara386 Proud single mother freya, almost no violence (that dark elf king was just begging to get curb stomped, but noo Kratos is now mr goddie two shoes), annoying brat, no nudity. And there is plenty of non sjw rubbish things like opening chests with loot, recycled enemies, no gore (some sparkles), dull enviroments, idiotic side missions when you collect 3 same things, almost no amazing scripts, annoying goofie side characters like those dwarfs or head cracking jokes, clunky gameplay, bad camera, Kratos became a "boy" joke, they will kill Kratos in next GoW as it's seen on that prophecy wall painting at the end. This game is pure trash. I've been a fan since first GoW. Bought every one of them (some even more than once) and what they've done is outrageous. That really killed my interest in new "GoW" games. That new game isn't even real GoW game. It's some pg-13 lame TLoU copy with fantasy like setting. They should've done completly new IP instead of destroying existing one. Same is happening with TLoU. Even last uncharted game was borderline feminist. Fuck sony.
@@cor.tenebrarum proud single mother freya" I'm starting to doubt if I should take you seriously, but I will. We learn that freya is the mother of baldur near the end of the game, and we don't even talk to her again until the end of the game, and there isn't a single word on how his relationship with his son is , apart from telling us that they haven't talked in 150 years. The violence is there have you seen the finishing moves to the trolls, ogres, wulvers and magni. "No nudity" seriously? Come on, goofy side characters? They were cool, especially the head with his interesting stories,and even the side quest have a backstory to it with some kind of lesson. How the fuck do you know that's kratos on the wall, he doesn't even have the red tattoo on his body and even if he dies it wouldn't be the first time he comes back from hell. I get that you dislike the game but if you were them, what would you do if your last game (gow ascension) did bad on sales and reviews? Now if you want a SJW game tlou 2 is on its way hehe.
@@luanmara386 I don't care about your point of view. I don't like it and that's it. Won't give money for some lame pg-13 trash again. The last of gay 2 is bad too, with strong lgbt agenda spiked in it. Hell, ps5 will be the first console that I won't buy. The only 2 games that were good on ps4 were Bloodborne and Unchated 4 (but still it's way worse than U2 or U3).
The game holds your hand the whole time, it never really feels challenging the challenge is the fact that the bosses are huge grind of hit and evade over and over. The combat would have been more fun if it gave you more weapons that gave you more options, I dont like the axe, the chains though were fun to use felt for a short while like god of war, also why only one shield? I kept expecting to have more shield types but it never happened.
What you say was always on my mind as I played this sequeboot. This could really have been one the greatest games of all time had the added this semi open world to a GoW3 style of combat, perhaps even reduce the size of the world, less meaningless exploration for armour that's useless. Game has potential but likely will never realise it due to overwhelmingly positive feedback that praises the game's flaws...
I'll always come back to this video, it's one of my favorite game reviews ever. I can't agree with it because I've never even played GoW 2018, but it'll always be a great example of a reviewer sticking to his guns and going against the grain to say how he felt about the hot new thing everybody loves. I always really love the ending of this thing where Charlie basically accepts that GoW and its contemporaries may never be for him and instead resolves to just head back to his PS2. Although it's pretty obvious that you don't have to like what everyone else likes, I feel like this video will always be a good reminder to me that it's totally fine to not dig the current trend and be satisfied with doing your own thing. As someone who's spent his entire life trying to understand why I do/don't like certain media, it's a bit alienating when you don't like some kind of critically-acclaimed "masterpiece". So, this review has kind of always meant a lot more to me than someone saying "I hate this game and Devil May Cry is better."
Real talk? I'm so sick and tired of dad games. How many more games will we have to endure that just tell the same old story about a sad man with a dead wife taking care of his kid in a depressing world? Game stories can be about literally anything or anyone. Why do we keep falling back on this same tired formula, and why does this formula keep getting so much praise?
Super Skeletron How many notable "dad games" are there besides this and tlou? Yakuza and that telltale walking dead maybe but given the wide expanse of the industry, these titles are few and far between.
Honestly? I think because an important demographic of gamers wants to feel manly and important through this games. The original god of war was about being a badass that kills monsters and fucks women and all this dumb teenager shit, but it didn't hide from it. Now they pretend to be deep and profound which is worse in my opinion. I feel presonally insulted when I'm being pandered in such a way.
Because these games are parenting simulators for people who will never actually have children. I actually have a kid and this game might as well hit you over the head with the kid like a mallet
Super Skeletron I haven't played a single one. It's sad cause i like the theme. Sounds like it's being milked too much, too fast. And unnecessarily has the mom dead.
I can't believe you built up all this GOW controversy just to advertise God Hand. I love you Brit. Edit: That ending made me sad. I kinda wish I didn't relate that much to what you said. Fuck.
Making it in one camera shot is a main issue. It slows down the pacing of the game to a crawl. Like instead of cutting from cutting mimir's head then to the witch's house, you instead walk there very slowely. Same goes for healing the boar
Spidermango that’s fine but this game is very different which could alienate fans. Their interests in gaming may not be spread over the same genres as you as the hack in slash genre of the original and the action adventure genre of the new GOW aren’t connected. It can, by definition, alienate a fan (though not necessarily) since it doesn’t account for why they loved the originals to begin with. So a fan that doesn’t happen to like the new style will be turned off. Kinda like if uncharted became a dedicated platformer: only fans who happen to be platformer fans will like it but not every uncharted fan is a platformer fan.
Callinater well then I'd have to say the game was improperly marketed to them because the game is very much a hack and slash and contains many of the elements that made the original great(while keep thing things fresh). Gow went through 6 games with nearly the same gameplay before this one and you don't think it was starting to get stale? They even tried spicing it up by adding mp in ascension. This game brilliantly reinvented itself in a way that you don't often see. It does all that while drawing in new fans, on top of being polished and not having all the things modern gamers have been crying about. That's why it's getting praise. And as a fan of the original games, it didn't alienate me (or most gow fans, in fact the gow fans will be the ones that enjoy this the most, not the newcomers).
Spidermango I know what you mean but when you change a formula it’s not going to sit right with some fans. Problems with the original were related to a lack of challenge, a one dimensional protagonist which the devs tried to present as something more and other things. Devs should try to be as delicate as possible when changing a formula. You could end up risking creating a divided fanbase which has hurt franchises like sonic. It’s best to focus on improving and freshening up a formula and fixing only what needs to be fixed so a possible identity crisis doesn’t surface. Sure a majority of fans probably enjoy it but that’s because it’s a playstation game with a playstation fanbase. A lot of the PlayStation fanbase like games like these which are cinematic, have deep stories and what not. So I guess in a way they’re lucky but it’s still not a practice id encourage.
Callinater considering gow is a playstation franchise, if majority of playstation fanbase is happy with the game id say they're doing their job and remained faithful to the series (which they have and as a fan of the series I can tell you that wholeheartedly). If you're talking about it seeping into elsewhere, I don't think that's relevant for this game because it didn't fall I to that trapping. I liked the old tomb raider games but the new ones is just an uncharted clone. That's a bad reboot in my eyes but this was faithful. And I still dont by the naysayers of this game dismissing it as a cinematic experience. Again if you actually play the game youd realize there's infinitely more gameplay than cutscenes. This isn't tlou or uncharted. There's no loading times however they disguise loading big areas by having characters walk or row their boat through a passage and a lot of dialogue happens during those load times. Is that somehow objectively worse than stage selects and loading screens? The story isn't also unable to have fun as this video implies. In fact they play off of how serous Kratos is by contrasting him with the other characters. And inturn also makes him appear more badass when he does something badass. I love dmc4 I really do. But that game has way worse enemy variety and dogshit structure the makes it a chore to playthrough. It's saved by how fun it is to play in the bloody palace (and the new characters in the se). Gow spends effort to make a good story and setting on top of their combat and somehow its horrible? Because half way through the game they didn't mirror itself around and slap a new character with the same exact bosses? I know it's not a fair comparison but come on. He probably loves dmc4 but this game is the bane of the genre apparently. There's times when can be a contrarion. This game also has flaws that can be discussed. The ones he bitches about in this video are not the issue, it's his own
This was by far the best take on the game I've seen so far. It's actually shocking to me how gamers nowadays are completly ok with paying full price for a "game" that basically is an interactive movie that has you do nothing or simply walk for most of the time. And even if combat happens it's so shallow that you get bored after 2 minutes and just wish for it to end. I already mostly play retro games because I'm just sick of all of this cinematic bullshit but if this kinda style becomes the new norm I'm done with modern gaming as a whole. If developers now are willing to sacrifice the whole core of what videogames are supposed to be about just so they can boast about how "mature" their "game" is im out. Might as well just watch a movie at that point.
Thank you. Glad to see I'm not the only one confused on why this game is praised so much despite being a glorified walking simulator. How is this the best game in the series?
No game has ever disappointed me as much as this. I don't mean this is the worst game ever, rather that my expectations were so high, and what we got was so mediocre. But now watching everyone and their dog losing their mind over it and buying multiple copies I know that it is going to stay. Had they made it as an actual successor in the style of the originals it could have worked, had they made it in the style of the Arkham Asylum/Mad Max or TLOU/Uncharted style contextual combat, physical models that interact rather than clipping through each other like this DarkSouls/Skyrim abomination then it COULD have worked, had they not also botched the story and characters and removed all the boss variety, added a Zelda boss fight, the awful Marvel style humourous moments and removed all the jumping platforming, puzzles etc... And the violence, the one thing the series was known for. Kratos ripped the head off of Helios the God of the Sun and used it as a weapon for the rest of the game, a God who there is no canonical description of his death (which is fine, such is Kratos' power, that's why we are seeing the story of Kratos not some other guy) instead in a fight against Baldur (someone who does canonically have a weakness) Kratos decides a neck snap is enough and he can't be bothered to check if the guy is dead when he is obviously a God...although WHY ISN'T A NECK SNAP ENOUGH??? Kratos didn't fail to kill any of the other Gods when he killed them... What about an explanation of how Kratos got to the Norse world, what happened to the Greek world he came from, it could be told through flashbacks, it could be gradually revealed how he met this lady, or you know actually introduce her beforehand so we give a shit... imagine if TLOU opened on the "20 years later" and the firefly attack and you only get Joel or Tommy occasionally mention Sarah, imagine how dumb that would be and how nobody would care nearly as much as when you play AS Sarah for the introduction, and then as Joel trying to save her. Even ignoring the problems with gameplay generated by the camera, the lack of budget for multiple enemy types, the repetitious bosses (just dodge roll left very easy) and the pointless RPG element (why do I want another shoulderpad of +1% parry timing or sandals of -2% runic attack cooldown this is fucking Kratos I shouldn't be dressing him up in some silly golden breastplate) even ignoring all that the FUCKING STORY makes so many amateur mistakes, awful pacing, woeful character setup and a stupid late heel turn that as abruptly turns back just...dogshit writing!
Honestly God of War 3 was the peak of the series and I wouldn't mind if they ended it their. It had such a great conclusion also the combat had a lot of depth.
No game has ever disappointed me as much as this. I don't mean this is the worst game ever, rather that my expectations were so high, and what we got was so mediocre. But now watching everyone and their dog losing their mind over it and buying multiple copies I know that it is going to stay. Had they made it as an actual successor in the style of the originals it could have worked, had they made it in the style of the Arkham Asylum/Mad Max or TLOU/Uncharted style contextual combat, physical models that interact rather than clipping through each other like this DarkSouls/Skyrim abomination then it COULD have worked, had they not also botched the story and characters and removed all the boss variety, added a Zelda boss fight, the awful Marvel style humourous moments and removed all the jumping platforming, puzzles etc... And the violence, the one thing the series was known for. Kratos ripped the head off of Helios the God of the Sun and used it as a weapon for the rest of the game, a God who there is no canonical description of his death (which is fine, such is Kratos' power, that's why we are seeing the story of Kratos not some other guy) instead in a fight against Baldur (someone who does canonically have a weakness) Kratos decides a neck snap is enough and he can't be bothered to check if the guy is dead when he is obviously a God...although WHY ISN'T A NECK SNAP ENOUGH??? Kratos didn't fail to kill any of the other Gods when he killed them... What about an explanation of how Kratos got to the Norse world, what happened to the Greek world he came from, it could be told through flashbacks, it could be gradually revealed how he met this lady, or you know actually introduce her beforehand so we give a shit... imagine if TLOU opened on the "20 years later" and the firefly attack and you only get Joel or Tommy occasionally mention Sarah, imagine how dumb that would be and how nobody would care nearly as much as when you play AS Sarah for the introduction, and then as Joel trying to save her. Even ignoring the problems with gameplay generated by the camera, the lack of budget for multiple enemy types, the repetitious bosses (just dodge roll left very easy) and the pointless RPG element (why do I want another shoulderpad of +1% parry timing or sandals of -2% runic attack cooldown this is fucking Kratos I shouldn't be dressing him up in some silly golden breastplate) even ignoring all that the FUCKING STORY makes so many amateur mistakes, awful pacing, woeful character setup and a stupid late heel turn that as abruptly turns back just...dogshit writing!
I watched this video like 2 years ago almost right after playing God of War 2018 for the first time and didn't really get a lot of his points regarding combat. I was even like "What is he talking about??". Up to that point i never really played any Hack'n'Slash genre game or stopped playing after minutes because I just couldn't get into it. At the time I even thought "wow this game's combat is amazing" (granted i came from playing lots of dark souls and stuff like it). Well now, 2 years later, I have finally played Bayonetta 1&2, Nier Replicant & Automata, DMC 5, God of War 3, and some other hack'n'slash type games (Bayonetta managed to finally suck me into the genre) And I really gotta say.... woooow this game's gameplay fell off hard. And replaying it a few months ago I had a hard time enjoying the combat... at all. It's mostly fine when you have 1 boss-type enemy to fight since you can mostly go about your day in good souls-fashion (and i love souls), but man, when you have to fight enemy groups it feels like the game doesn't know what it wants to be, it just doesn't work really well... Anyways, randomly got this video back in my recommended and just thought I'd tell this story. Good video!
I had a similar experience with Akiba's trip... of all things lmao. I remember liking the combat in that, but then a while later I played a whole lot of yakuza games, and when I came back, yeesh, that game sucks.
I had a similar experience with the Batman Arkham games, I loved the games combat but then I played Metal Gear Rising and it ruined Arkham's combat for me haven't returned to the game since.
Breaking news: Two different genres of games aren't similar to each other, shocking. GOW 2018 is an action-adventure game; not a hack n slash. no shit the combat cant compare. wtf are yall on about.
i totally agree that mainstream gaming has become a cliche of being this pretentious, cinematic, expensive experience that people eat up like pigs at a troth. people are happy to throw away their memories of what God of War was, just to have the exact same opinion of GoW4 as everyone else. But there are modern games out there that are enjoyable. like dark souls. and plenty of others. you just have to stop listening to what everyone keeps telling you to play, and search for some more decent games.
"You just have to stop listening to what everyone keeps telling you to play, and search for some more decent games. " - like god of war 2018. No one is forcing you to enjoy it. Maybe go play crackdown 3 on xbox if you are looking for a "True gaming experience". I'll stick to the quality of Sony first party studios. You see a pretentious, cinematic experience - which is completely a B.S. opinion - i see this as pushing story-telling in gaming forward - Gow 2018 had an exceptional story.
@@Garry_Combine By being best in class, and setting an example of what can be achieved narratively in gaming - it serves as proof to other studios looking to create story driven games like GOW that it can be done, and also sets the bar. Good quality single player story driven games are few and far between these days - so a game as good as GOW 2018 is crucial to the survival of SP gaming going forward in an industry dominated by COD, fifa, multiplayer and cheap Free to play knock offs.
@@frankvandermerwe1487 I'd say that's fair, tbh I don't agree with everything the guy in the video says, like I think it's fine, my only complaint is the damn camera, which I hope they zoom out in the sequel (plz zoom it out). I guess for helping single player games survive, but you could argue the same of Red Dead Redemption 2 and Spider-Man which came out in the same year. I still don't think it's the best in the class though, imo, but screw it, you made a really valid argument dude. I'm convinced, and yeah, the rise of multiplayer makes me fucking angry!
I mean, when this kind of wussafication of God of war happens not once but twice, it's hard not to go back and see what exactly was lost and at least find some preference of that to this
eh. movies have to be good to deserve the money, and you can't sell them for $ 60. on the other hand, all a game needs to get 10/10 is pretty graphics, decent gameplay (not too hard, cause game reviewers), XX hours of "content", cinematic approach and possibly somebody dying in the first hour of gameplay. the story can suck, but this is pretty much how you'll get 8-10/10 coming from every site willing to jump on the hype train.
Well yeah, they can. Doesn't it say something weird when almost EVERY studio wants to release basically the same thing, though? That's what people don't like, not that SOME games feel sorta like movies, but the homogenization of games.
But.... I never had an xbox. Why are you assuming I did? It doesn't make sense to me. Your comment just came out of nowhere, like you're talking to someone else.
This is the reason I like your channel, you stick to your opinions and principles regardless of the potential backlash, and given people's propensity to overreact nowadays, I'd say it's pretty damn commendable. Plus your outlook on games isn't something all that common on this platform, not nearly enough people seem to give a damn about what makes video games a unique medium in the first place. Looking forward to your upcoming videos man.
I don't see anything commendable in a dude that throws judgement on a game he hasn't even played, to only later on, after the game has come out, bend everything towards justifying his opinion. That is the definition of being a shill. Hold your stance, regardless of any new information that one may learn in the future.
Pray tell which one of his criticisms is not accurate. Unless you are debating how relevant those criticisms are to his experience with the game , which is basically a fool's errand, because (for the billionth time) debating opinions when it comes to art is moot. Calling someone an asshat because he doesn't share your precious feelings on a video game is painfully childish.
I hear ya , the game is perfectly functionnal, the controls are indeed responsive, the storyline is tightly written and I did not experience a technical difficulty of any kind while playing the game , so yeah I don't think the game is bad either, I just didn't enjoy it in the slightest. It's totally possible to be aware of a game's quaities without necessarily liking it. The oposite is true as well, for instance I love Dark souls 2, still I know the game is a miserable mess. Now, I think there are definitely some valid points to be made against the new god of war, cause like pretty much everything in the universe it is flawed, but I don't think it's bad. Still I do regret my purchase. The game's not my cup of tea, and most likely never will be, a learning experience.
I don't mind story driven, linear action adventure games but they'd need to be better done than this. Combat is terrible and the upgrade system is too confusing. A disappointment.
@@khias433 Lol the combat is soo bad, they litterally tried to copy combat from dark souls with a slowed down pace yet fails to do what dark souls did with its combat.
@@mortenlarsen7220 Lmao, you havent played, if the combats bad,that's ur opinion, but copied dark souls? It took some inspiration but copied? LOL to you my friend
@@khias433 Ive played the game for about 10 hours, and ohhhh my god it is dumb boring and slow. And yes they did try to copy it from dark souls, they just didnt put in the things that make it work. The zoomed in camara goes against the player mid combat, and the damn traffic cones tha works as a warning for incoming hits is such an old and bad concept. Then there is the hit assist, or move assist if you will that will pull you towards an enemy like a magnet if they are simply within range of the programmed magnet.
@@mortenlarsen7220 I personally can see why god of wars camera didn't work for some people......I still liked it, but it's definitely more used for flashiness, and as for those traffic cones, it was kinda nescessary considering the camera, and it worked well for me, may i ask how far are you?
I legitimately don’t understand games that mix lackluster gameplay with a story that amounts to a mid-tier Netflix show, and the praise they get for “pushing the medium forward”. If your gameplay doesn’t serve your story in some unique way, why don’t I just watch a better movie or show?
Totally agree. Especially the mid-tier netflix comment. Reviewers and gamers praising these cinematic games as the only way games will be taken seriously as an art form... when being a serious art form means embracing what makes something unique.. not just emulating b-tier Hollywood straight to DVD sony pictures tripe.
Exactly. Also, the reason why it's a game is because people get bored watching movies so they need to push buttons. But not something too mechanically demanding. And then they can sell it for 60 bucks.
Question: have you played it or are you just going based on his review? The game is a bit cutscene heavy, but I don’t get why people say it has bad gameplay, especially since compared to the old games. I can cleave a guy in two with my axe, 180 parry his buddy running up behind me, smack him across the room with my shield, throw my axe to cause another guy to trip, run over and Spartan kick him into wall, call my axe back and unleash a special ice whirlwind, dodge attack a guy coming from my side and smash him into the air into a combo, parry a projectile back st the guy who threw it, and more, and that’s a pretty standard encounter. If that doesn’t sound fun to you, or like “shallow gameplay,” well, guess we just gotta agree to disagree.
I about forgot about "professional critics" crapping all over God Hand for having the RE4 camera for a action game. Now a hyped "AAA" Western game does it and it's the best thing ever for a action game.
Called me petty, that's cute. I don't get how if it's the same reviewers are not matters, since the point is flaws being ignored in a new hyped game instead of being, well you know, critiqued. Unlike Brit I'm actually enjoying the new GoW, however once I started doing the optional "super" bosses and optional worlds (which includes glorious challenges like kill 20 enemies without taking a single hit) the flaws with the camera and other stuff in regards to the combat became even more apparent (actually this shows up in the main story with the elf enemies, especially in the boss gauntlet Brit mentioned when you fight 2 of the elf boss types at once), I mean when you have teleporting bosses with this camera (that indicator doesn't help much for this), and one that even summons minions, you get the idea, you'll really be fighting with the camera more than the enemies. Yet it's ignored in most reviews, among other things.
I feel like sony just forced santa monica studios too much to become filmmakers than game developers Like david jaffe said “we(game devs) are a different beast than them (film makers).
That's Playstation broad stance when it comes to their big AAAs nowadays. Their head of worldwide studios, Herman Hulst, even led with the utterance that their devs are "storytellers" above all else. It's worked well for them in recent years so I guess I can't blame them.
Well, to be honest, it does apply here since it is a hack n' slash. DMC and Bayonetta is the balance in which he measures the mechanics so that is fair. Hell, I enjoyed how he justified complaining about the camera angle by comparing it to God Hand instead.
Thank you for an honest review, I'm kind of shocked so many reviewers are missing the simple rules of 'game design' when they praise a game like this with 10/10 scores. I like this game and its very good looking, plays nicely, but I don't love it and find myself getting annoyed by little things this game persistently hits you with as you progress. Such as the loading zones (lifting a rock, walking through a hidden path, etc), climbing mechanics (press 'O' to jump), unlocking hidden chests for health and rage boosts (couldn't have us complete missions or use exp for some of those huh game?), simple enemy AI (very predictable attacks that don't change with high difficulty) and the constant interruptions by the story with unskippable cutscenes, talking and walking... so much walking. Oh and the framerate is not good, maybe the standard 30fps mode is alright, but the performance mode hits and misses frequently depending on where you are in the game while you fight and walk around. All of that more than likely due to the "seamless one shot" (no cuts) design the game is based around. Now for the good :) There are some amazing set pieces that make you feel awesome (I won't spoil them because they are wonderful, and I really wish there was more of them in the game), there are some decent side missions worth doing (such as hunting the Valkaries) and the story is done very well (lots of lore which I personally enjoy). Top marks to the studio for taking things in a different direction and not just rehashing the same thing as before. For me its an easy 8/10. Its well worth playing if you have a PS4 and despite the issues I named, its still a very enjoyable story experience (like Uncharted or The Last of Us). For people who enjoy good hack and slash game with good mechanics and replay-ability... I'd say just watch God of War online and save your money. Wait for game designed around mechanics first and not film techniques.
"The game received critical acclaim from media outlets" *...Which means absolutely nothing as every educated person knows. Gaming media is nonsense and often bought by the gaming industry. In fact it's even gone so far that major social media influencers are de facto bought too (receive free game, "invitations", etc)*
A pretty honest and accurate review. The lock-on system frustrated me as well, any enemy that goes off screen breaks the lock-on. The dodge mechanic is painfully unresponsive at times. The difficulty is completely unbalanced, fighting the last valkyrie is infinitely harder than the final boss of the campaign. Higher difficulties give enemies absurd amounts of HP and allow them to OHKO you all day long. Plus this game has you spending more time solving puzzles than actually fighting. And not being able to use my entire move set at any given time REALLY bothers me and makes this game feel too much like an RPG. Not a horrible game but for a God of War title I'm unimpressed.
The old God of Wars while not the deepest of hack n' slash, still felt good to play. It was a series of games about empowerement. A raw, brutal force of nature on his quest for revenge. The name "Kratos" is Greek for "power" for crying out loud. It was pure unadultarated fun. This new GOW feels so weird. You feel so underpowered and weak by comparison. And the walkie-talkie segments don't help in that regard. I don't have a problem with people liking the new GOW for what it is. It's clear it isn't for me. That said I'm sad that arcade games are kind of dying in the AAA gaming space, where the older GOW games fit right in. It is what it is I guess.
Sega's dead, so.... Nintendo? They're the only one in the AAA, 'Big3' "space" that can deliver arcade-y or at least arcade-style gameplay and graphics in their games.
There's Platinum Games on one hand and then there's Devolver Digital which publishes arcade like FPS games/top down shooters (Serious Sam 4 hype). Nintendo also delivers arcade-like games, which I really like (Mario Kart, Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze, Fast Racing RMX), but those are few and far between and even then Nintendo is more methodical in general when it comes to game design, where arcade games are more messy and chaotic (in a good way). Most arcade games are reserved for only indie games or at best middle market...
Ckarasu Maybe to you and the feedback is good, I will admit that, but by comparison to the old GOW games, you definitely feel weaker and more helpless. At least in my opinion.
I hate this high horse attitude that people now have in regards to the old god of war as if they are ashamed of not only playing those games but by the fact that those games were even made. This game could of been the antithesis of boring games like these but it was just another add on to this style of “thought provoking,” video games
>Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts changes everything and goes out of it's way to piss off old fans "WTF this game sucks we want the old Banjo games back, fuck you Microsoft." >God Of War 4 changes everything and goes out of it's way to piss off old fans "A refreshing breath of fresh air for a tired out of touch franchise. 10/10 Game of the Year"
Well good for people who like epic stories and don’t mind slow and simple combat, bad for those who don’t care for stories and want complex and fast gameplay
Diedkid 145 I’d say GoW4 is closer to complex than simple. It’s definitely not the most complex game out there, but you do get a nice variety of options as you go on. People talking about mashing working forget that you can do that in stuff like Bayonetta and still win in the end so long as you know when to stop for a dodge.
Diedkid 145 why cant we have both? Just as i wrote this nier automata came to mind. A big epic story with real emotion that has great combat. We can have both
Dio_TR obviously something good considering the overwhelming praise not to mention the goty and gotg talk. You didn’t like it fine but don’t make blanket statements. Opinions are like assholes everyone’s got one and in this case the majority thinks the game is brilliant and trying to argue against that is going to get you nowhere
Been trying to find a bad review of GOW but everyone is saying that this game is amazing, and any normal person should like it. Finally, I watch your review and you literally described each of my points so thank you very much for that! Yes it's a great looking game making for a highly cinematic and engaging experience but I was really underwhelmed by it. I thought it was repetitive and not that exciting. The combat was a huge let down as it doesn't capture what GOW is about: a fast paced badass combat. And where the fuck are the real bosses? I was looking forward to kick that dragon's ass but it was so boring, can someone take me back to the Chronos fight please? where are the monsters? I like that they tried to make a more mature and deeper game, on that they succeded but gosh, what a drag! and that final boss was so disappointing! People are so eager to defend it though, I traded the game in and the guy from that game shop literally had a go at me for not liking the game. If your definition of gaming is carrying wood chunks whilst spending most of the game educating your child, perhaps you should have sticked to the sims, dude.
@@iamaeggmcmuffinboi839 holy fuck you are stupid. You think they payed off reviewers? You have no brain cells. And on the bosses point, the first boss is amazing, did you even play the game?
@@-kdot-2332 game is way over fucking rated. Game starts off too slow... plus 90% of bosses are the same exact fight repeated Big troll with a giant stone and some grunts. Also all the optional valkyrie fights are the same with very slight differences. Stop being so triggered i gave the game a (8) kid.
God of War 1/2/3, Ghost of Sparta , Chain of Olympus , Ascension : Kratos beat every being wearing only pant. . Heck even destroyed Greek Phanteon. God of War Dad of Boiii : Hold up a moment, I need to craft these panties for boost my strength,, it's Connor McGregor I will be facing. WHAT A STEPDOWN IF YOU ASKED ME.
the fact that this game was obviously "oscar bait" and it worked sooo smoothly for them is making me scared of future games that will try to do this shit too.
bocodamondo Game genres come an go in popularity, even if "cinematic" type games dominant the gaming landscape, they'll eventually be overshadowed by the next big fad. Remember the platformer era of late 1980s and early 2000s? Pretty much every game company had its own mascot platformer. Now that genre is mere shadow of itself. Same thing will happen with these cinematic games eventually.
I'd actually say this game struck a good balance between a cinematic experience and being a fun video game. Now I can certainly see why the traditional hack and slash fans wouldn't like the gameplay as much, but for someone who is more into the Dark Souls type combat then hack and slash like myself, this game is good storytelling on top of phenomenal gameplay. Considering how long the game is, the cut scenes are actually a really small portion of it. I would say the only thing I don't like about the combat is that I would much prefer the camera to be further away from the character, but I suppose they made that choice for a smoother transition into the cut scenes.
I know, I'm mad I bought this game now lol. I always fall for the most terrible releases. I bought No Man's Sky for $60 when it was released too, and it was fucking terrible
There was a cynical guy that made an epic 2 hour skyrim review but he deleted his channel, probably due to anxiety issues. I just found out it got reuploaded. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-g-zKeHmtWZ4.html It would be kinda like that.
Unless people stop bandwagoning, they're just gonna drop another GOW just like this. I like how dmc fans were honest when the reboot came out, thus getting dmc5! This game needs the same treatment 🤷🏽♂️
DMC is for real gamers. I'm not pissing on GoW fanbase here in anyway but that side of the fence is littered with casuals who fail to understand why gameplay mechanics matter more than graphics, story and a cinematic experience...
But Capcom cares about OG fans not like Sony. They remade the Sonic movie just to please fans. Sony moved to California and become an arrogant corporation.
This is GOD OF WAR, hack and slash is what it’s supposed to be. Not Kratos trying to find a way to jump across what appears to be a small ledge. The guy was made into a Demigod essentially. If they wanted to include his son and stay true to the lore, make his son just as much of a brute and have his own title and he fights the Norse gods as a hack and slash sequel.
Boooom ,,, Facts , heck look at chain of Olympus and Ghost of Sparta , Kratos Childhood was awesome with his brother Demios and the death of his mother was memorable , heart wrenching , Brutal and memorable , here it looks like the developers took 1000000 pills of soy , got high and made this Daddy problems the video game , they could have made arteos a way better character than his father aka kratos but nope , Daddy issues are way more fun fella . Lol
Some series don't need to change and some does , God of war does not need to change , it went from a Bad-ass iconic , fast paced hack n slash to a trash , Last of us , dark souls bootleg with les gore , less combat , lame ass crafting with enemies that ya can't kill unless your in a certain levels with too much walking and talking with cut scene that ya can't skip added with a trash reskinned bosses , trash enemy designs , uninspired finishes that looks like kindergarten to mortal kombat with garbage music , if this ain't a downgrade I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS , Smh
griffin09 this video is amazing, it’s probably the only video that criticizes this boring ass game, while everyone is praising it. Giving it 10/10’s and shit. It’s so overrated
Haha I know I felt so alone in my disdain for this "modern masterpiece of AAA gaming". Goes to show how dumbed down people are if pretty visuals and alright voice acting is all it takes. The original GoW had it ALL, including jumping.
I absolutely loved the originally trilogy and PSP spin offs. I got as far as the part with the chained up dragon before selling the game off on eBay. Found this game extremely boring and nowhere as good as the previous games.
I want that game to be ported to other consoles. I heard it was PS2 exclusive, which is bullshit since st the very least make a PS3 or 360 port. Hell, a Wii port wouldn't sound so bad. But the better question is who owns the IP. Capcom or Platinum Games?
@@hrnbrigade4991 well I hope the hear the fans and those that want to play the game to at least port the game if they have to. But knowing them, they may ignore it.
They're completely different genres, settings, characters, stories, music pieces and were made around the world from eachother.... comparing them is a tad stupid
@@justlloyd7881 yeah they're both action games, one is also a JRPG hack and slash, bullet hell shooter, and the other is a tactical action game with RPG elements.....kid don't act childish by acting all annoyed over the new one, if you don't like it don't play it, simple as
@Mr.Tweezy007 the combat in god of war requires more thought than nier, sorry but thats just a plain fact, otherwise try beating the queen valkyrie with normal nack and slash tactics, and its hardly a shitshow, look kid with all its overwhelming praise and clear passion put into making it, its likely that you're just in the minority on this one
@Mr.Tweezy007 Now you're just comparing both games when they are completely different, that's a stupid thing to do so don't do it, and also the type of people who say it's their opinion only say so because they feel they have to or you'' get upset otherwise, kid I couldn't care less about your opinion overall because I have better things to care about, at the end of the day I just pity you for not finding enjoyment in it, and I hope you tone down the salt when the sequel comes out to win game of the year again :)
Solar Juice I guess it depends on the game. But yes that narrative seems very superficial. As an art form games should embrace what they do differently from the other art forms, and that is gameplay and how dynamic they are. Not story since books and films already got that base covered. Not saying a serious story is bad but it shouldn’t be the highest priority for most games.
That's the whole point. Saying things such as "gaming needs to grow up, you guys!" just goes to show how clueless people saying this are. Games have grown. A LOT. We have seen many games evolve in terms of mechanics and their use of technology, the attention to detail in the old MGS games, the outstanding AI in FEAR, hell even the mechanical depth of games seen as more "juvenile" such as DMC or literally any fighting game ever. Games should be held first and foremost by the things that MAKES THEM GAMES. You can say a certain game has an amazing story and good CGI work... but you could use the same things to describe a movie. What does the game do to actually push the medium? And for the record, using a generic gameplay formula borrowed by other franchises while covering everything in pretty graphics and a "cinematic" story for the exact purpose of appealing to the lowest common denominator is not making games "grow up". In fact, it's the opposite.
Yeah the whole Kratos preaching that vengeance won't bring anyone peace and ending the cycle or whatever kind of lost it's mark it seems like after getting his revenge Kratos is a pretty chill different dude.
You're looking at it from the wrong perspective. Kratos has to live the fact he committed genocide and murdered his entire family. He's only "chill" now because he's looking after his son and doesn't want him to make the same mistake as he did. Kratos is far from "chill" as well. He's just matured a lot.
@@BadGrief Well, he still got his revenge, killed every single person\god that did anything wrong to him in the most "extra" way possible and calmed down only after it. He didn't mature, he just completed his revenge plan and had no one else to kill\hate so he found some pussy and was happy for a while. Now, like any other entitled middle-age man, he preaches to his son that "revenge won't bring you peace". Typical 30+yrs old hipster writing, characters like Wolverine and Vegeta do the same thing 100 times better and in a more entertaining manner.
Nah. I say he's had more than enough time to think about all the fucked up shit that happened back in the old games and probably regrets a lot of it deeply. That's the thing with anger. Once you calm down then you think about what you did/said when you were very angry which makes you upset and regretful WHICH makes you grow as person aka maturing. And yes "revenge won't bring you peace" is generic and lazy writing but it's sort of true.
@@DeadKraken i think you missed the last ans most important part of that qoute "i know". Kratos fully admits to himself that what he did was wrong, being consumed by rage and obsession blinded him from the real destruction he was causing to greece. And now that its over he had a chance to clear his head he was truly repulsed by his actions. This can even be seen in gow3 when he says "pandora sacrificed herself in vain, she died because of my need for vengeance". The fact that he has grown and accepted this part of his past is only a sign of his maturity as a character, and that he will never allow that evil part of himself take control ever again.
@@BadGrief yes he has had alot of time too think about this. The book stated that hes been in midgard for 50 years and thats not including his time wandering meaning he could very well have been traveling for a hundred years or more after 3. Thats alot of time to reflect on your past actions and how to learn from them.
I hate when I talked to people about how I didn't enjoy this game and the response is always "that's because you're bad at it" Like bro, the gameplay isn't that deep and the puzzles are for babies, this isn't a game you can be bad at.
Or "You must be on XBox". You can't make a sound argument about not enjoying something these days without that argument being dismissed in the dumbest way imaginable. "You must be bad at the game"..
The original trilogy one of my favourite trilogy of all times and after playing Sekiro and Fallen Order, I can say that the new God of War is meh: -lame boss fights, and not enough!!! What the hell? after GoW3 this is it? Even 1 had better bosses. -Music is meh, and they should have use the original theme song when you get the other weapon. Where are the old scores anyway? The orchestra is missing so much -Enemy variety is ridiculous. But I took this game as an experiment to a new direction. Maybe the next will be just as much better as God of War 2 was after the first one.
Hell no, GOW2 was not much better than 1. Objectively, it did expand on every single thing, but after the rock solid base was set the additions weren't that big of a deal. And subjectively, I think GOW2 locations and enemies less intriguing than 1. The puzzles of 1 were quite punishing and I liked that about them. In 2 they are more hmm creative so to speak (thanks to the ability to slow time) but they weren't as hard. The environment itself in 1 was trying to kill you whereas in 2 it feels like the danger isn't as present. The game had a couple more boss fights tho which was probably the best change. I guess I just like the temple of Pandora's concept and execution more than the journey of GOW2. Its like Arkham Asylum and City. Asylum is tighter and more concise, whereas City is more ambitious and adds lots of new mechanics.... But the atmosphere and story of the first game is just unparalleled.
