You were dead on ! I myself felt a little let down by the game , but I still enjoyed it cause of the combat ! To me there was so much that upset me overall though ! So in a sense I love the game , but I didn’t like the story and I felt the gods didn’t feel like gods ! They tried to hard to make them feel more human , that they didn’t even feel like gods to me ! Now In the original trilogy , those gods feel like gods , but yes they don’t have the deep emotion of the Norse gods in god of war ragnarok ! To me they sacrificed too much of their godhood to make them them more human and relatable , well maybe some like this , I don’t , I wanted Odin to feel like a god ! To me he felt more like a mall store salesman ! But I already expected that once they said they casted Richard schiff as Odin as already seen him in so many movies before ! So I knew what to expect !
@AdamAdam-vu3qt personally I didn't think it was too bad. Might have overstayed its welcome, but it was a nice break from all the chaos imo. Just wish the whole ragnarok sequence was a lot longer than what we got
The whole " end of the world" thing just seemed weak by the end of the game. It just never felt like anything bad was ever going to happen in the game.
Yeah seriously. Compared to 3 with the gradual destruction of Greece. First the rising ocean, then the souls of the dead escaping, then the sun gets blocked out, then pestilence and disease spread. Even Hera makes a point to point out how plants and fauna are dying too. The world really felt like it was falling apart and there were actual stakes
@@peteybakedziti8908The funny thing is though, that’s exactly how Ragnarok goes in Norse mythology lol. Don’t blame the writing teams for that, blame the poets from hundreds of years ago for that one.
@@Hedron1027the Devs have always exaggerated source material. Why not do it here with Ragnarok to make it a more interesting experience for players? It was the main draw for the game and it fell completely flat
The game is just underwhelming and disappointing. People were expecting epic clashes between Mythological GODS like Ashura's Wrath. Instead we got Tribal brawl, village invasion and two hours of Yak ride.
imagine if it was a trilogy and you befriended and unbroken tyr for this whole game and then near the end of the third odin gets exposed, that would be the twist of a lifetime
they had to rush if we really wanted a trilogy we would have to wait 10 plus more years but obv were impatient as fuck the hype for the game will be long dead
@@HristMist then you would’ve missed out on a great franchise. Here however, we got a lack luster franchise. Trying to fit EVERYTHING in one game whilst fraying most of the bigger plot points built in the last one. They did nothing with Atreus being Loki, the real god mischief was Odin all along. After hearing great tales of Tyr, all we get is a cosplayer and then a few Easter eggs to other pantheons. Should’ve been a trilogy so they could’ve better fleshed out the story and the char dev.
It really should have been yeah letting us build a bond with tyr over the course of a whole game for him to betray us in the third one would be fucking amazing But devs gotta rush things Would also amplify the feel of him being as manipulative as they make him out to be
Many people think that Odin is lying about losing his eye by looking at the rift, cause both in real mythology and the game mythology is explained how he lost his eye, so maybe anyone can look at the rift he just doesn't want anybody to do it without having the mask completed first, just a theory tho.
@@15OgLoc The real problem with the rift is it's already concluded and I guess making up a supposed result of what might happen doesn't carry weight anymore.
My favorite part is when Sif goes from absolutely hating Atreus and convincing Thor to kill him, to loving him and joining his side, for absolutely no reason. To honestly believe that stupid Atreus could move into Odins house, where everyone quickly forgets that he's killed a bunch of there family. You are telling me that not one person would try to poison him, kill him in his sleep, etc.
@@MrKULVIS He means that the scene where she was "trying to convince Thor to kill Atreus " was actually intentionally misleading : It was implied that she was actually speaking of Odin Btw I hate the game
@@eliasraspail3650 So Sif appears to take Atreus into custody. Maybe it is true that she's referring to Odin, but she spent the whole game hating Atreus, and does nothing to stop Thor from killing him. What does Sifs hate for Odin have anything to do with Atreus? She's just all the sudden on board with the whole plan of destroying her home and watching her family and friends burn?
@@MrKULVISbecause in that scene where Thor thought she was telling him to kill Atreus was actually her trying to convince Thor to go against Odin but due to him being drunk and shit he misinterpreted it and tried to kill him. Also she hated Atreus in the beginning because he did after all kill her two sons, I would say that she was allowed to hate him then. Just saying
I’m with you on the plot being ridiculously overrated. Playing through the game. I couldn’t help but feel Santa Monica Studios really needed a third game to properly do their story justice. Especially since the “Ragnarok” which was hyped up to no end was just reduced to a 20 minute Marvel movie segment. God of War 3 did Ragnarök better than God of War: Ragnarok did.
@@Hunterese123 I disagree because Atreus who is the 2nd playable protagonist of the game was actively obsessed from start to finish. How to find Tyr, to go to war with Odin & Asgard. To get Freya back on their side. & How to screw over Odin when he was given residence in Odin’s Lodge.
@@chaosmark101treus does want ragnarok to happen in the beginning of the game, but later on changes his mind when he sees the prophecy of kratos dying. He only goes to work with Odin in order to prevent ragnarok as well. He does go into Asgard with intentions of betraying Odin, but after helping him he decides not to which heimdall points out at one point
@@isaacsanchez5367 you’re forgetting how excited and eager Atreus gets when he sees the vision of Ragnarok. If anything it’s Kratos the one that doesn’t want to cause it, Atreus before the game is sneaking around with Sindri to find Tyr which would ensure Ragnarok.
big fan of 2018 and other games man. all the things that were hyped in first game seemed lackluster in ragnarok. story was rushed. not gonna justify it.
One of my biggest issues is what was up with the Faye flashbacks? The first one ended in a way that seemed to heavily imply that Faye is talking to Kratos from beyond the grave, but that doesn't go anywhere. They just feel like filler. Come to think of it, everything to do with the Giants was just really bad. We're told over and over again that they're extinct but we keep meeting more and more of them as the game goes on.
That’s the literal point lmao. The giants are *thought* to be extinct but really are out there and scattered and that’s why Atreus leaves on his own journey, because he has to search far and wide for them. As for Faye, it’s pretty clear they’re memories Kratos is dreaming about. The last memory of her shows when she gave Kratos her wish for him and their son to take her ashes to the highest peak in all the realms once she passes.
So, the thing about Odin “not being portrayed as evil” kind of just means you totally fell for his good-guy façade. He uses manipulation tactics to make people *think* he’s fine, when really he’s doing shitty things. For example, with the dwarves; Mimir *specifically states* that Odin was planning on ATTACKING the dwarves as a first result to get them to do what he wanted, and he suggested tricking them instead. How is that NOT evil? Slavery or death? And with the mill, it was also stated he made the mill specifically to make the original mill go out of business, and then he *destroyed his own* to rob the dwarves of their soil. His intent from the beginning was malicious. It’s as they say, “even if he speaks the truth, his purpose is false.” He does good things for bad reasons, and I thought it’d be more obvious than that.
He is a bad guy and has done bad things but is he evil? The actions and what he says during the fight with Kratos and when Atreus breaks the mask, isn't that an example of him doing bad things for what he thought was a right cause? He thought the knowledge from the rift would solve all the problems they had, including Ragnarok. He says: "Unfold the secrets of life and death." He didn't even care that he wasn't the one getting that knowledge and that Atreus was instead, all he wanted was for that knowledge to be discovered, no matter by whom. The thing about him being someone who did bad thing for what he thought were gonna be good outcomes, basically he thinks the ends justify the means, is stated by something else he says at the end of the game: "What was it all for?" All the suffering and destruction made in order to make the mask whole, the whole long plan brought about by the prophecies with Loki, it was all for nothing since Atreus destroyed the mask. I think it is a very bad choice to trust everything that Odin says, but I also think it is equally as bad of a choice to distrust everything he says.
@@RealFastus all the atrocities he commited or orchestrated are definitely evil, killing your son is pretty evil. And by the end you hear the madness in his voice, and i think kratos was right about there not being shortcuts to knowledge without paying a price. And knowing all we know odin just had selfish reasons for looking in the rift, where he would go when he died. Probably not stopping wars and bringing people together like he told atreus
The problem I have is that the only things he does which can actually be considered bad are things we never get to see, and are just things being told by 1 side of a 2 sided conflict, who has an obvious axe to grind against the other side. Like if Guy A just states that Guy B is going to do Evil Act X, but the only proof we have is just that Guy A said it, even though he has been shown to be truthworthy, I still wouldnt go to war against Guy B simply because of the words of Guy A. Im going to need a whole lot more than that. Like if we ever got to hear Odins response to those accusations, then this wouldnt even be a debate to begin with, since then we could determine right then and there what the answer was, depending on how he responded. But considering how Mimir and the games Codex logs try to treat things that wouldnt even be considered evil in a modern context, I cant just blindly take anything Mimir says as Gospel without something more. Granted if you put a gun to my head and told me between Mimir and Odin which one probably has been telling the truth more often than the other, then sure Id go with Mimir since he has no reason to lie to us. But that alone would never be enough of a justification to start a war with the other side. And in regards to your Mill point. I dont care about what the intentions are of people. I care about their actions because actions speak louder than words. If Person A had the best intentions but the worst results (Results in this case meaning using force on somebody else) and Person B had the worst intentions but the best results (Results in this case meaning NOT using force on somebody else, aka peace) then I would choose Person B anytime of the week. The bottom line is that all Odin did in this example was start up a competing business, which the fellow Dwarves could still ignore if they wished to, but they voluntarily chose not to, so as a result Durins World Mill went out of business and fell apart. Thats not evil. Thats exactly what would happen in our own modern context. Odin then destroying his own World Mill is also not evil because its his property to begin with. Like I know my video and my reply to this comment probably makes it seem Im an Odin stan. Im not trying to say the guy is just completely misunderstood or something. He could very well be the most evil SOB in all God of War games for all I know. Its just everything we see of him, even in contexts where he doesnt need to put up a facade, are all at complete opposite ends of all the atrocities that are attached to him through off screen happenings. The Odin I was scared of and terrified of meeting based on all descriptions of him in God of War 2018, didnt seem to appear at all in God of War Ragnarok. I really, truly am not trying to say Odin is a good dude. Im sure Word of God would back up all evil shit hes done. Its just if I take Odin strictly from on screen showings of God of War Ragnarok. Then hes just the leader of Asgard who offered a peace deal to Kratos, who was then rejected, essentially having war declared on him, thereby justifying any negative thing he did to Kratos and company in self defense essentially. I wanted to see the evil Odin, but all I got was a guy didnt live up to the hype
@@rensb9214 I don't think you and I have the same definition of evil. He killed his son, yes, but he said he didn't want it, it's a bad thing but it's not like he got some kind of pleasure from it, I wouldn't call it evil. As for the Kratos and knowledge thing, we simply don't know, there is no reason to think Odin would have done anything bad after accomplishing his goals. Logically speaking, if everything bad he has ever done was in the service of getting the rift knowledge, then after getting it, he should have no reason to do anything else that's bad. He clearly cares more about that knowledge being discovered no matter by whom than just wanting to get his hands on it personally, that is why at the end he says to Atreus that he's the one destined to peer into the rift, and Atreus could have either not told him anything or even just killed Odin after, this is a game after all, and knowledge even above that of the gods would grant you power. Also, Odin wants to know what is after death, sure, but I doubt that the rift only holds that information. Plus, if every god knew for a fact what happened to them after they die, I imagine the way they conduct themselves would change. Odin is a complex character, that is why he is interesting, yet the people who praise his seem to ignore this, strangely, and simply categorize his as evil, nothing more.
I agree with a lot of what you’re saying but I feel the need to mention that Freya actually does give a reason for why she didn’t want to teach Odin the immortality spell, she saw how her kind hearted son went completely insane after she used it on him and didn’t wanna see Odin become like that.
I completely missed that and feel like an idiot after watching a youtube video that talked about exactly what you just said. Definitely my fault there no two ways about it. No excuse on my part. Thanks for keeping me honest If I can still attempt to shamelessly defend myself, I do think there is a difference between having it forced upon themself like Baldur was, as opposed to Odin willingly wanting to learn it. But thats just kinda a cop out on my part to a degree. Thanks again Edit: Making this edit on 1/16/23, about a month later from initial comment. Actually, on thinking about this some more based from another commenter here "Hectic 117", I think I may take back my initial concession here. Because assuming that was Freya's reason, of not wanting Odin to become insane, then I have to question why didnt she just remove that from Baldur then? If she valued someones sanity more than she valued everlasting life, why didnt she remove it from Baldur? If she valued everlasting life more than sanity, why didnt she teach it to Odin? No matter which she valued more, her actions betray both lines of thinking
@@superlucci you’re such a nice RU-vidr. But I’ve been asking myself why every God hasn’t hunted her down and become immortal from her. I believe that her son went insane because it was forced upon him and the mental turmoil just got to him.( not being able to feel,taste, or smell would drive anyone Insane) But I feel like if you know what is happening and are willing to except those conditions going insane wouldn’t happen. Plus I believe Oden would have been able to figure a work around. And at the very least his character would have forced it on his solders. I Believe the best solution that fits in universe is that the spell is super hard and complicated and she simply doesn’t have the resources to replicate it.
@@superlucci It was to protect her son from his needless death, so she could not let go; But with Odin, It would make him insane and ruin him, also there was no prophecy about Odin dying. So if she did with her son he would die and if she put it on Odin, he would go insane and hate Freya.
Finally someone speaks the truth! I felt all these same story problems when I played through the game and nobody on youtube talks about them! Easily the worst crafted and most underwhelming story in the entire GOW franchise
I have to agree, I felt the story was rushed and lack luster, sure it was a great game, but so much potential wasted when literal GODS are fighting like compared to GoW3 how large scale the battles were. Especially in the first game fighting baldur on top of a giant, I had thought we would have fought along with giants in Ragnarok, like when GoW3 Kratos fought Zeus with Gaia. Nope, just grounded weapon clashing. They show so much potential with the beginning of the game, almost teasing bigger and better boss fights...nope no jormungandr pov fight or Kratos and Loki with Fenrir fighting Odin. I'm disappointed that Odin's powers were just wizard spells basically, I thought I would have seen him use much more magic or God powers like duplicating himself to confuse or attack by taking control of a dead giant's body (almost a play on when Freya did that when Kratos and Baldur fought trying to stop fate) or more clashing of both spears. Also...how come Thor gets 2 boss fights with Kratos (beginning and end) but the main big villain gets one boss fight (ending fight)? The boss designs felt lacking the "epic" feeling to me...
The story wasn’t lackluster though. Yes there were rushed bits but that’s understandable considering that they had to wrap up the whole story in the game.
The first fight with Thor is exactly what it should've been: A huge battle all over the mountainside between the two strongest gods, but then the second one is just Thor and Kratos punching each other in one spot for 30 minutes.
@@morbincentral3607 It definitely was lack luster. They did nothing with the whole “Loki” twist. Only part Atreus’ giant half played was opening shrines and some cutesy convo with Thor. Tyr the whole time was locked away after the hype built in the last game. Mimir didn’t see through Odin after spending eons with him, Freya nor Freyr. I understand that Odin is the great manipulator here, so sure I’ll give him that. Then you have Ragnarok itself, the TITLE! Lasted maybe 40 minutes? This whole game could’ve been so fucking good if they ended right when Kratos blew the horn. Then we could’ve forayed onto the actual Ragnarok in the new game, instead of getting 99 hours of fimbulwinter and 1 of Ragnarok. Then there’s no explanation of why Kratos survives the end of Ragnarok. When majority of the game since right before Garm fight you spend talking about his death. Why did he live? Cus he chose to save those people in Asgard? Because they kept saying that the giants prophecies always come true, so then why did they two contradicting ones with one kratos dying and the other of him being the savior? Only part that came true was the destruction of Asgard. For these reasons, the story was lack-luster. I’m not even going to talk about the action of the game. Another reason why it’s a solid 5.2/10 and not 9.8/10 like the last one.
@@BeastieRajWait, not that I was a huge fan of the action to begin with... But wouldn't you say it was better than God of War(2018)? I certainly felt like they improved the combat, even though they nerfed the Blades of Chaos.
Odin had motives to begin with. Marrying Freya wasn't about peace. He still destroyed her pple regardless. Being nice to her in the initial stages of their marriage doesn't necessarily mean that things were good then. It's the same way he treated Atreus in Asgard. Nomatter how nice and cordial they were to each other then, both sides knew perfectly well that as soon as that mask was whole, it was war.
But that's pure speculation, from what we know Odin only wants the knowledge of the rift and nothing more, he doesn't want war, but if it helps him get that knowledge then war shall it be. Everything he does is quite literally because he tries to get the knowledge, if he were to start a war that would be before getting it not after? What would the motivation be to do it after?
@@RealFastus well what you said is kinda the problem. Odin is selfish beyond belief. He will do anything just to get what he wants. And he quite clearly lacks any kind of remorse for the terrible things he's done. That and he seems to have a bit of a temper problem. Remember when he revealed himself as tyr just because he was annoyed with brok? Odin could have came up with some excuse but instead he let his anger take over. And based off what he said he quite clearly enjoyed it. I recall Freya saying as soon as she didn't give him the immoratality spell he became angry. As soon as something doesn't benefit him he lets his true colors show. Him having infinite knowledge would be terrible. He would likely just make everyone his little minions. He's done it with his own sons so whats stopping him from doing it to everyone else? And there would be no need to be manipulative because he would be so powerful it wouldn't matter. Also i don't get why your arguing wether or not he's evil. It is quite clearly shown he's evil or at the very least an extremely terrible person. The writers want you to believe he's evil.
I would have liked Ragnarok SO MUCH more if they’d just kept the tone of 2018. 2018 just felt so much more dark and grounded.. obviously it was fantastical because it’s a game about Gods and mythos, but the internal logic and rules of the world were much more consistent than Ragnarok. The thematic elements were of the story were much better executed, and the emotional pay offs were earned. The story of Ragnarok felt like a Marvel movie. This has been said many times and it feels cliche to say, but it’s true. The witty banter, the lightness of the story beats that floated from one rushed section to the next, all of it.. it just felt nothing like 2018. It’s such a shame, because as a game Ragnarok is stellar- the graphical fidelity, animations, art design, music and combat mechanics were amazing. The story held it back so badly. I also think a lot of the main story could have been trimmed and it wouldn’t have suffered at all. Hopefully next time they cut back on the constant attempts at witty banter too.. it just doesn’t work. In the first game, the humor was spread out and thus had a bigger impact. Same with the earned emotional pay offs. Ragnarok is just a mess.
This game was the antithesis of The Last of Us Part 2. While that game was a bit too risky and unconventional with its approach, GOW Ragnarok takes literally zero risks and destroys the interesting setup they had in the first game. Like remember Freya threatens to kill Kratos for killing her son? Naw fam it's fine they're buddies again after spending like 30-40 min together. Atreus is Loki? We will literally do nothing interesting with it other than making some characters call him that. Kratos is fated to die? No prob he will change fate for some unclear reason and only the minor comic relief character will perish.
So you're saying you want Kratos to die? Yeah that'll go over well with the community and not be divisive at all in the slightest and everyone will love and understand that creative decision lmaoo
@@anthonygarcia8749 if you're gonna foreshadow the main character's death then have the balls to kill him off or at least subvert expectations in an interesting way, not just be like "oh yeah well I guess it didn't happen" by the end of the story
The Tyr reveal was so promising, really made me think "oh wow, this odin guy is seriously clever, he played everyone, I can't wait to see what other deceptions he has planned". Hell, when Kratos and Artreus start preparing their army for ragnarok, they even point out how "this seems too easy", which really seemed like the game was building up another plot twist where Odin was manipulating the gang into doing exactly what he needed them to do which would lead to Kratos getting killed and asgard surviving Ragnarok. But no, apparently Odin really didn't have any backup plan in case crosdressing as a giant didn't work. The gang somehow unites 8 realms within like a day, and Odin has no strategy aside from throwing Thor and a couple einherjar at the army attacking asgard. And of course Kratos survives and gets a perfect good guy marvel movie ending because "blah blah, generic we make our own fate dialogue", basically nobody of importance from the good guy side dies aside from Brok, and Odin genuinely turns out to be just an idiot who didn't have any kind of plan and gets beat in an incredibly underwhelming bossfight. Seriously, Zeus could take on all these wimpy Norse gods at the same time and would still win.
I actually thought ATREUS was going to die instead of Kratos. I like the "I defy fate" characterization Kratos was given. I thought Atreus was going to die and Kratos became Ragnarok itself and destroyed everything, again, proving what Athena said in 2018 right. One fate that Kratos can never escape from is that he is and always will be a monster. But nah, Kratos lived, Atreus lived, Kratos became a good peaceful nice guy HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I'm sorry, I can never say that without laughing for a good minute. I wanted to see more Athena and even Blade of Olympus. Its reveal would've been as epic, if not more epic, than the Blades of Chaos reveal in 2018.
Comparing god of war fights between games, i feel like the fights in GoW ragnarok feel the most underwhelming. Kratos and Thor's final duel literally happened in a small circle, and the only major destruction it caused is a hole in the roof.
Would have been more interesting if Tyr actually was Tyr and was just on Odin's side or had his own agenda or something. I was not a fan of the Tyr/Odin twist.
the game was trash based on the expectation we had on gow 2018 it didnt deliver half of what was promised and the part that was delivered anti clamatic
About Heimdall vs. Draupnir: I don't have a good answer for this, but I think the game is *trying* to suggest that the replication of Draupnir is essentially random, i.e. "sometimes it makes copies of itself" or whatever Brok says about it. I think the idea is that even though Heimdall can read the minds of men, he can't precisely predict the replication of Draupnir. This isn't a perfect explanation because we're shown that Kratos has essentially total control over the replication and detonation.
Someone explained it well on another video: because the spear has infinite amount of “spawns”, it overloaded heimdalls ability to predict it, kind of like overloading a computer with an infinite amount of data or inputs..
The idea is to spam him like a rain of arrow because even if he see it coming he can`t dodge everything it. Because the best way to fight someone that see the future and the ability to read your mind is to hit everywhere at once or fast enough before they could react to which is the reason why we see Kratos punch him later on because Kratos gauged Heimdall speed and doesn`t need the spear anymore.
@@Kazuhiro-i I personally don't think Draupnir beating Heimdall was a major plothole, but not being able to predict the future "of things" doesn't really make sense. Capabilities aside, Draupnir's no different from Atreus's arrows and magic, or Thrud's lightning, or even Kratos's other weapons. I think the other comment about the spear's infinite spawns makes a lot more sense, at least in comparison.
@@Akubyo kratos was able to close his eyes during the fight and use his enhanced godly beard hairs to automatically detect where heimdall is at all times.(im a valid source, i developed the game)
Well not much dudes lives in midgard and vanaheim after the desolation and odin's occupation of vanaheim. Niffleheim ain't got any army, there's only 1 fire giant left, and it might also be the part where odin was ready and destroyed all the realm gates that prevent more reinforcements.
I wonder what was the writing team's original story idea for ragnarok. Because a lot of stuff that were hyped up from gow 2018 seems to be changed in some way in ragnarok. Odin, mad evil god.... Just trying to find mask. Seems bad but the game doesn't SHOW him as evil as mimir said. Thor, big bad news of a god... Almost killed his own son for losing another son. In ragnarok, pretty calm and reasonable. Atreus killed Modi. Kratos warned that it will have consequences. The next game his little sister just immediately buddy2 with atreus. I was waiting for the moment thrud found out about atreus stabbing modi to death but it's never mentioned again. There's gotta be another plan for these characters in the beggining that was thrown out. Is it a better plot plan than what they presented in ragnarok? We may never know.
Do you think there is something wrong with people who were not disappointed? Why dont they see what you said there? I think they have no imagination, are too dumb, have no balls. These people want ironwood chronicles
I agree about the Thrud part but for Odin, he's still a mad evil god. Getting access to the mask is literally him wanting to be superior to others & he's shown to be a huge ahole to his own family. He's just very manipulative like a cult leader. As for Thor, in the first fight w/ Kratos it's literally acknowledged that's it very much Thor's fault for his sons' death & him drinking due to it.
@@shawklan27 Ragnarok does subvert expectations in some parts but it's not bad. Ppl think it's bad trope cuz of stuff like The Last Jedi but it can be done well.
Yes. Exactly how I feel. Ragnarok disrespects the set up/buildup of its predecessor and makes it feel like a waste. It simply doesn't deliver on the promises of the last game.
@@yokotubene What were you expecting, like besides who blew the horn, what was ignored in 2018? Sounds like you had wish fullfillment and mad it didn't happen how you though
@@Hunterese123 -Thor was not the bloodthirsty killer we were promised. -Ragnarok itself was not the intense war in which the stakes should have been high. -The snake's poison being imbued in Kratos' axe had no major significance. -Kratos never uses Spartan Rage on any of the gods like in the last game. -Surtr and many of the new characters were underdeveloped and therefore, forgettable. -Freya considered to forgive Kratos too abrubtly. -We don't get to use Mijonir despite being hyped up in the last game and even included in the Collector's and Jotnar editions (I've heard the excuses from the developer and I don't buy it). -We barely fought any gods (Vidar at least should have been another Major god as he was a very important figure in mythology). -Fenrir turned out to be a useless random wolf. -Kratos should have been the only playable character (Atreus in my opinion sucks because playing as him ruined the immersion and pacing of the game). I might be missing more issues. But my point is that the game was simply a rushed mess in terms of story/writing and characters and it is the worst 'God of War" game in my opinion.
The mask should of been dropped as a plot point and should of been Athena instead. Athena should of gone to Odin after the events in 2018. To give insight into Kratos and the other pantheons around. Later in Ragnarok Odin would show Athena to Atreus where the full extent of Kratos’ history is told to Atreus. Further pushing that prophecy to reality and causes discourse within him. Athena true motives are she doesn’t want another God ascending to her level of existence. So she is trying to ensure another Pantheon dies to limit that. She would dress it up as just a hatred for Kratos. When really her pawn is Kratos and her plan is just to use him for the monster he is to kill more and more gods. Cory wanted that originally for Athena to represent the idea of her becoming monotheistic faith. This could of been an easier lead up to God of War 6. Where Athena has abandoned the Norse pantheon after losing to Kratos once again. So she’s flees and seeks the help of other Pantheons, warning them of the power of Kratos and now the nine realms.
This would have been much better, I hate that they didn’t explore that, be it Athena or Odin, someone should have told Atreus what a monster Kratos really was, that he killed his previous family with his own hands. Try in some way, in a moment of anger between Kratos and Atreus to bring them apart and make Kratos have to come clean to his son about the sins of his past. That never got explored, we never really feel that Atreus might go to Odin and betray his father, it never felt the profecy could ever become true.
God of War 6? Kratos is a sad dad now. The only Gore kills are the wolvers. The story is woke garbage. There will be no God of War 6. God of War is dead.
It makes no sense for this to be a main plot point in the game, the whole point of finishing of Norse is to give the weight of the villain role to the the most hyped villains Thor and Odin, from all the horrible deeds they committed. And the story does a masterful job of slowly separating the two to see who is willing to change and who isn't. The entire schtick about prophecy and the giants wouldn't make any sense. Having Athena as a main line villain, over Odin is actually the dumbest thing I've heard. I think you should just admit the masterful character synergy and Interactions weren't valuable to you and you wanted to see a plot that rivalled gow3 in scale, and built a huge hype train where kratos revealed his true self again and killed the pantheon mercilessly. Sure the scale was toned down for the ending and final surtr could've be better utilised, but the development and intentions of characters has been excellently crafted into a long windy voyage that ultimately ended into a new kratos, and a new motivation for Atreus. The most impactful ending (apart from a well crafted death or something).
- yeah, if Odin had just kept his temper in check as Tyr he could of totally had this whole thing in the bag. Could of poisoned them or suckered them while sleeping or so many things. An accident while at the forge could cripple or kill of the Dwarf guys, he could manipulate and put spells on them all while their guards were down. Plus was anger like that ever part of Odins personality, he seems like he'd have more control.
they made odin into a wimpy incel and this is the game you kids are calling 10/10? I feel sorry for this world. We’re not gonna make it. And I’m not saying this because of a video game i say this because most people have no idea what’s actually going on
@@Ihavehadmanynames7779 i understand you and your points, but to my take, i really enjoyed the game in every way it could. For me it actually was probably on of the nicest experience i had and saying it's fucked up that someone like it, really doesn't help. What was the point of your comments? That people who liked gowr change their mindset because someone in the internet said it's fucked up and so should have be taken like absolute truth? Realistically talking it's better saying people don't likes the same food and making a discussion about it, still gonna finish with them eating it again. Because... u can't change someone mind putting yours in others
In response to the last point, Freya tells us earlier that Odin has a bit of a temper issue when things don't go as he wanted. Like when she refused to cast the invincibility spell on him, she said he went into a rage
@@MattTGM Maybe. But it really burned me when he said it's not normal liking it. I think you know how infurianting can be when someone say bad stuff on your preferences :/
I loved the Asgard intro with Heimdal from him grabbing Atreus hand and dangling off the cliff to being a complete dick reminiscent of the OG GOW gods . He was great the speech on the way down to Asgard he was 100% right about as well
I do agree that the Tyr disguise could have been better handled. But when u play the second time and u know Tyr is Odin u see the cracks calling Freya Frigg and the way he acts in Groa’s shrine. Even when he is the dwarf on the bridge in svartlhiem he spits at Kratos and Atreus because he can’t help himself. He is a master manipulator not a master of disguise. He is also betrayed as kind of a hothead like all of his sons. So I like to think it’s his character, his anger just boils over and he kills brok because he won’t stop pestering him.
It’s why I hate his character for someone supposed to thousands of years out and so terrified of Ragnarok. He basically does nothing to ensure victory and actively fucks it up for himself. It’s just pure luck that Mimir doesn’t see through the disguise straight away considering how un tyr he is, how Mimir interacted with Odin everyday for years and years, knows what Tyr’s opinion and thoughts are on things and how he is supposed to be the smartest man alive.
@@KometheusOdin couldn’t kill Atreus or else 1 all of the gods would be slaughtered within hours at best. 2 because he needed Atreus to find all the mask pieces so he could get infinite knowledge
Think about this one too.. if Odin was tyr the whole time, did no one notice tyr was just missing from sindris crib whenever Atreus went to Asgard ? Lol unless he can literally be in 2 places at once i dont know how that works honesrly
there is a throwaway line about fake Tyr sleeping in the broom closet said by Atreus to I think Freya, so you could say that he was napping during that time while im not a fan of it, it could explain how they didnt notice
No one notices because “Tyr” prefers solitude due to that being his norm for years. No one really questions it and doesn’t bother disturbing him when he “rests” in Sindri’s broom closet. Also, Odin does indeed pop back into Sindri’s home several times while Atreus is in Asgard. There are even instances where Odin just straight up teleports (supposedly) out of Asgard. It’s not like Atreus is glued to Odin’s hip the entire time. Most of the interactions are pretty brief so he has plenty of time to go between both places without being questioned.
@@kingkocoa4467 ok yeah that’s true that makes sense, I can buy that .. I still think the twist was DOA, like what did it accomplish ar all for Odin? Nothing.. so what was the point of it? It was just a twist to have a twist, it had no effect on anything before or after that point in the game.. so I still think it was a cheap, weak twist
Mike Mode It was a twist for the sake of a twist (the fake Tyr plot was literally confirmed to be added late stage in development by the director, Eric). It only really serves as a reason to get Atreus to (somewhat) fulfill the prophecy of “Loki” serving Odin due to “Tyr” instigating the arguments between Kratos and Atreus as well as a reason to kill Brok (who was apparently planned to be killed in the sequel ever since 2018).
@@kingkocoa4467 well, why would they feel the need to fulfill the “Loki serves Odin” prophecy when they clearly felt it unnecessary to fulfill literally any other part of the prophecy we were told since 2018 lol
When Odin couldn't Manipulate Kratos, he shifts his focus to Atreus, who can be manipulated, so he was prepared for Kratos to say no right from the jump, but so long as Kratos stays alive, it doesn't give Atreus further reason to oppose Odin. The Tyr disguise was actually brilliant because he distracts everyone by playing to their good natures and when he preached peace, Odin is someone who can only be stopped by violence, so if he convinced them to not destroy Asgard and Odin with it, he would have succeeded. He's a villain who conquers through knowledge, but his flaw is that, with all he controls in the realms, he can't control himself.
You understand how stupid it is to say that a character that can control(manipulate) others can't control himself? It takes a lot more to control someone else than to control yourself. As a master manipulator you can't act on instinct, otherwise you aren't a master manipulator. Also, you didn't address the points made in the video, why couldn't he maintain his calm and smooth talk his way out of it, since Brock was the only one suspecting him and he's not the brightest one around so he would be more easily tricked and manipulated, while the others would also fall easily since we know they already did. For example, he could have said that he calls Atreus, Loki, because he thought he ran away trying to find some semblance of independence from his father, or anything else, this is just a quick example off the top of my head. Odin suffers from what I call "Trump syndrome", where people like to attribute to them 2 opposing characteristics and see no problem with it. I use Trump because people like to say that he is a evil mastermind and in the same breath would say how dumb he is. I'm sorry, but any logical person knows that you can't claim that "A is B" and "A is ~B" as both being true at the same time.
@@RealFastus If you dominate something you don’t have to think about it for too long. It is instinct, because Odin is psychologically a compulsive liar, an egotistical narcissist who is selfish. When our friend here says he can’t control himself, it means he can’t stop trying to control others. That is his weakness, because you can’t control everything. He couldn’t control Freya, he couldn’t control Durlin and the dwarves, he couldn’t control the ravens kratos freed, he couldn’t control mimir, he couldn’t control even Thor, etc.
@@Rugologist But that's my problem, this is pure speculation, you are playing psychologist with this fictional character. Is there any proof he is a compulsive liar and does it because he can't control himself or is it more likely that he is just a smart guy and therefore can more easily lie and control others to get what he wants? I lean more towards the second option, especially since Odin is known, even in the norse mythos, as being obsessed with knowledge and also being very knowledgeable.
@@nazka412 Did you actually read my comment to see what I mean by that? If you did you would know that it's not something he has but the people who try to analyze him, who give him contradictory attributes, the same way people used to do to Trump. Look, this has nothing to do with Trump, I just used his nane because he is the one I've personally seen this happen to the most, if you have anyone else you think fits better, you are welcome to substitute the name. Btw, I'm so fucking tired of those supposed responses that don't address shit, intentionally misinterpreted my comments and don't give arguments against what I said. Do you feel better now that you saw "Trump Syndrome" and instead of reading further to see what I mean by it, you decided to comment even if you didn't have the full context of what I meant?
The game explains how there is no prophecy, it's simply that everyone's actions are so predictable that their paths can easily be mapped out. So from that alone I concluded that the message was about change rather than adhering to prophecy. But that's my only point so far
That's how the Norns deal with prophecy, the giants actually see the future. Since all the prophecy we're dealing with in the game come from the giants I don't really see what the point of the Norns is, except for a way for the writers to disregard what they established in the last game.
the first chapter of the Norse mythology series, it was gold compared to this.... I swear I'm a great fan of the series and I also love mythology .... I bought the Ps4 Pro God Of War edition and the collector's edition and I liked the game a lot .... so I had the hype at a thousand when Ragnarok came out.... already in the first 4 hours of the game, I realized that something wasn't right .... the clash with Thor and Odin's entry onto the scene was not very epic, without ever reaching a peak of pathos and originality .... however I said to myself, oh well maybe it's just this subdued part, then it will improve.. how wrong was I... childish narration, winks at a younger audience, with the result of making everything more tacky, banal and unfortunately very out of tune ... because the characters pose as modern American teens .... instead we are talking about the era of myth heck.... a bit of epic casserole, a bit of badassary.... but no, it looks like a Hollywood B movie.... then oh well the usual plot holes, childish dialogues with some answers sometimes that I swear they cringe me .... who can like the title so much? to a young man who doesn't have decades of videogames behind him, but for a veteran like me, the disappointment is great...
I felt this, too, for both the newer games, honestly. I understand that for a newer audience, the way they start them kinda works. However, for the older fans who went through how mamy games with Kratos, we felt betrayed cause this wasn't the Kratos we knew or remembered. We have no way of seeing how he became this either, like if 2015 would've been a game of Kratos meeting Faye and her bringing him back to being more "human" again then I would've enjoyed it. But to me atrieus doesn't come close to being Kratoses kid, like they aren't similar. Also your telling me Kratos wouldn't have had any father talks with atriues prior to the games? When we saw how he cared for his daughter yet had to turn away from her ? To me these stories were just meh and bland. The new characters weren't great or interesting really. Then there's the combat, jumping and platforming I missed so much from the first set of games. This one's combat was cool and neat, but not what original fans came to enjoy and thoroughly love. The puzzles were basic as shit, and no platform.issues at all without a screeching child or women helping you. Sad what it's been reduced to.
@@erikschaeffer8419 Honestly the first chapter of Norse Saga, for me was a must have anyway.... Maybe the absence of Corey Balrog was felt, because between the first chapter and Ragnarok I noticed a lot of infantilization of everything.... as regards the differences with the other God Of War, I can also understand the desire to make Kratos more human and empathetic, given that the game becoming a story driven action RPG, while the others were more of hack and slash type, however I repeat myself, the first chapter, I liked very much the narration..... I liked the aura around charachters, Baldur and Kratos, i really liked how the story developed.... in Ragnarok, Kratos becomes a total idiot... just like all the male characters, while we always try to favor young and female characters.... but enough of this woke, feminist, gender fluid drift even in video games... especially in historical or mythological ones.
@bluesoul7163 yeah I can understand and accept that. For me the stories just weren't there. Then yeah as you said Kratos just got dumbed down. A man who was an experiencedgeneral, outsmarted another pantheon of gods, just now mumbles and grows. Yells at his child and doesnt know how to communicate though ? Like what? The game felt dumbed down and less serious. Felt like a kids game more than a mature game than the originals. Again I get they toned back the gore and the hack and slash for more rpg type gaming, not against that. But can still have mature content and have a kid in the game. I also just can't get past atrieus, I legit hate the character
Things felt off about this game even though I enjoyed playing... It's like they wrote an "everything works out in the end" type of thing here I feel like the event of ragnorok was an afterthought it shoulda been devastating. Things went too well I can't put my finger on it tho
The writing in this game was fantastic like the tyr twist and how going back in a second play through you can totally tell it’s Odin. Also not everything worked out because Brok dies and Sindri doesn’t have a good end. The reason ragnorok worked out is because they defied fate with the decisions they made and the game does explore those themes. The game definitely could’ve benefited from have more game to finish the story but this game was incredible.
@@morbincentral3607 i think that's the problem. How did they just change fate? They changed their actions? First off that was said by the norns who are not the giants. The norns didn't have any kind of premonition they were simply really good predictors. Kratos simply changing shouldn't have mattered with the giants prophecy. They didn't really do much to change their own prophecy. It just felt like it didn't happen just so kratos wouldn't have to die. Also they literally followed their own prophecy the entire game which just so happened to change at the very end. Also for some reason at the end prophecy ends up being right anyways? It really feels like they just made ragnorok work and made prophecy wrong in this one instance just so they wouldn't have to kill kratos off. I mean throughout the whole game were shown how trustworthy prophecy is just for it to be wrong when it really matters. And the game doesn't give any good explanation tbh.
@@madfrog7913well it changed when Odin killed Thor, I’m sure that was a big deal. That had alot to do with the prophecies. So the Norms didn’t predict that but they also didn’t predict Thor standing up to Odin. So yea, there were some things that changed. EVEN Kratos letting Thor live..
@@Ishbikes my question is why? How exactly did they defy fate? How does simply changing your actions defy fate? Why couldn't the giants have predicted thors death when everything else was correct?
Its so sad how disappointing this was compared to how solid and non ironically emotional the 2018 one was, I'm just glad other people actually noticed too, there was a mind boggling amount of unwarranted praise for this game
Well Brok dying, the funeral etc was sad. As a player, I had more of a connection to Brok then a lot of the characters. Did you care when Freya sacrificed himself? No, because the writing WAS good when it came to Brok
Kratos was the general of spatan army, he (should) have an critic/strategic mindset that should put him in a favorable position, but its never like that in the game
This game has finally convinced me to no longer play western developed AAA games. I'm just done with it until they stop developing games that are bad movies with mediocre gameplay catered to the lowest common denominator of gamers (if you even call casuals gamers)
@@balrogsareop4773 that’s not funny I’m a little person and I used to get swirleys everyday while they called me Smurf you bastard, just because I used to nibble on their ear from behind gave them no right to do thar
why would kratos take the deal, he's known to not trust gods. everyone he's met says odin is a liar. and there's also undertones of threats and violence in the deal odin proposes. of course he said no
I agree that kratos has 100% justifiable reason to automatically distrust any God he sees. Ill never fault him for that. Its just that in this very specific context. Declining the peace offering essentially means he wants to go to War with Odin. That brings immediate conflict that jeopardizes his and his sons life right then and there. I figured Kratos would have enough guile to just agree to it, then plan for future actions later if needed. But the bottom line is that as a result of not accepting the deal, that immediately made Odin have Thor attack Kratos, which got him and Atreus separated and Kratos knocked out/killed. If it wasnt for the plot, Kratos would've ruined his family. He had no way of knowing that Atreus would still be alive. He essentially just declared war right then and there and got saved by plot. Like if this was a magical binding contract that Kratos was being forced to adhere to, then yeah 100% deny that because you know Odin did some magical fuckery on it. But in this case it was just 2 old dudes having a talk, which both can just lie and agree to, then next day betray each other if they wanted. Basically there was 0 downside to accepting Odins deal, which Kratos could back out at any point in time. However there was a multitude of risks denying the deal, with Kratos found out immediately
@@superlucci Kratos didn’t declare war on Odin. He said “No”, not “No, I do not want peace”. He is saying no because the terms of the agreement are unacceptable, not because he wants war with Odin. Kratos has plenty of reason not to trust Odin. Also “no downsides”, one of the terms of the agreement is that Odin will have Freya killed. There is no way that Kratos would ever accept that deal, even if just to betray him the next day. He isn’t going to accept a deal that endangers Freya, he really doesn’t want to kill her. And there’s also little reason to suspect that Odin would immediately retaliate by having Thor attack, Kratos couldn’t have really known. I really do not understand your perspective, it’s bizarre
@Owain Glyndŵr, last prince of Wales It's pretty obvious that conflict would arise once Kratos said no to their peace deal. I immediate thought Kratos saying "no" would lead to Thor attacking him, which it did. Odin added in dealing with Freya to enrich the peace deal for Kratos. It was not a necessary part of it. Kratos could have easily said yes but don't kill Freya. Odin has let Freya live all this time. It makes no sense to believe that Odin wouldn't make the deal without killing Freya for Kratos. 😅 Kratos was ready to attack them and on edge the whole conversation. You'll even see him reach for his axe as Odin reached out to Atreus. So Kratos clearly knew violence could spring from the conversation at any moment, so he was prepared to fight when he plainly said no to their peace deal. He could have said he'll think about it but Freya is off limits just to get them to leave and come back later and try to deescalate the situation. Also, why did Kratos hold back to the point where Thor killed/knocked him out? They could have kidnapped, hurt or kill Atreus for all he knew. He overestimated his ability to protect Atreus if things went bad. It's a good thing Thor and Odin didn't want to kill them.
If there is one master manipulator in this game, that is Faye. She was so spiteful that the giants got their ahhes handed to them by the Aesir, that she made a broken stray Greek god of destruction fall in love with her and a have a son together, and brainwashed both of them to go into a vengeful spiral of slaughtering anything between them and Odin until they get him too. It would be much better without Faye and Atreus in the plot. Just Kratos settling in a Midgard village and seeing it destroyed in a random conflict between Aesir and Jotunn, then going berserk as usual and obliterating everyone. Simple and effective. But what we got was a dude that slaughtered random elves in their own realm just to get to a painting while he could just ASK them, because they actually talk.
@@OmegaPlato Kratos was still a butcher, but this time it was not his own vengeance. Not sure if young Kratos would slaughter so many elves in their own land just to finish a few sidequests
@@Hunterese123 You are defending mediocre and rushed writing all over the comment section. The only primordial we meet in this game is Surtr and one of his lines I kid you not is “I grow big and I smash stuff.” Odin The Allfather the literal king of the Norse pantheon refers to Freya as “My Ex” Angrboda as she saves the gang after that pathetic excuse of a ragnarok refers to her magic as “Giant stuff” Thor Odinson legit says “TF YOU SAY?!” “Oh we gotta model father here” 🤨 Like all of these are 21st century colloquials taking place in ancient Scandinavia and it breaks a lot of immersion. Imagine they go to the Japanese pantheon and they don’t sound like they’re from Japan lmaoo. If this is life changing story or the genre defining story these fans claims it is gaming truly has reached an all time low. I guess you just aren’t allowed to have issues with this game and it’s story I guess. Can’t call it ragnarok when the only two fights in it are dark souls rip offs with qte’s you can’t even fail excluding how quick the “ragnarok” was with rarely any Aesir gods in Asgard. One of the most iconic apocalyptic events in all of mythology/fiction wasn’t done any form of justice and yes I’m aware of video game limitations. Odin killing Thor was ridiculous and didn’t come off as the parallel to Kratos & Atreus as they thought it would. 2018’s portrayal of these two “Aesir conquerors throughout the 9 realms” on literal boat rides felt more intimidating and more like a threat than what we received. What supports my point on this is that nobody praises them as video game bosses/antagonists (which both Odin & Thor are incompetent as) they praise them as “characters”. A lot of stuff from 2018 wasn’t even present in this game which makes me believe the original idea for the story got scrapped. The whole ending was a mess from start to finish man. I’ve read every GOW comic, novel and have played every game even the mobile game years ago to say I’m a fan of the franchise is a bit of a lowball. This game & story is festered with issues. It tries to do too much all in this one game and it falls flat on its face. A difference in directorial presence and narration should never scream this loud in a piece of media. Three months before release even devs on the team said the game was mid, even one of the devs on her YT channel said the story was trash. The giants prophecy & the Norns both said Kratos would die obviously I knew he wouldn’t but to “be better” you would think something grandiose would happen to defy fate but nothing happens and no catharsis is felt. When we are having emotional bate moments within an apocalyptic war the tension feels non existent and nobody important died. Brok isn’t important man imma just be honest this is further supported due to the fact on how fast someone replaces him(Lunda) and there is legit no dire consequences for his death. I play these new GOW games for the story because the gameplay is subpar at best and filled with homogenized AAA trends so when it fails at its one job it gives the most importance I don’t know why your shocked to see people call it out. As a passionate GOW fan if we aren’t going to kill gods for the sake of “being better” pack the franchise up Kratos’ kill count is legit a 15 digit number and that’s solely for Greece now they want to tread a line like he’s this wise old man now. Instead of taking inspiration from the last of us words from word of god Cory Barlog himself maybe take inspiration from Vinland Saga,Vagabond,Berserk if you want to actually attempt at diving into Kratos’ psyche after the events of GOW III. Whoever green lit Sindri killing Odin needs to be fired with all due respect it’s not good writing at all😭🤦🏾♂️ Easily the second worst game in the franchise if not the worst at least Ascension was a better game and didn’t have walk and talk segments that bloat the gameplay for more than 15mins. An atreus spin off seems like an option Santa Monica might take and if they do this franchise has not only lost its identity but they have their heads up their a** if they think it will sell good with him as a main lead. His segments in this game were beyond atrocious and they screwed the pacing up. Gow is one of my favorite series of all time but it’s not free from criticism at all and I am genuinely worried for the future of this franchise. These new GOW games are for the mass appeal that like nice graphics and not for GOW fans.
@@TheRogueGuy Jesus man, no one got time to read your college thesis, so are you an expert on Scandanavians and how they talk or just go off movies? It's not that serious, lol. Please link me to this dev saying the story was trash cuz that sounds like complete lies cuz everyone would of been making videos on it and you sound like someone who misses the old style GOW games, you had a bunch of them, play those if these new ones are that inferior to you
@@Hunterese123 College thesis…. You never went to college then I fear. You look 30+, what type of argument is this? Movies? Sounds like you are on copium because none of your points are refuting any of my arguments because you know I’m right. Dialogue is everything in a AAA cinematic experience, so when it’s awful and doesn’t even match the setting and tone ppl are gonna call it out. Basic 101 for writing any fictional story and the writers failed don’t get mad at me get mad at the 6 new writers on the narrative team that wrote the story. “Expert” lol anyone with basic literary analysis skills is saying this game is terrible. Unfortunately I can’t remember her channel name because I didn’t give the video a like well technically live stream because she reacted to it winning best narrative of the year and gave her thoughts on it + she deleted all her live streams now (Vixit or something like that is her channel name). Nah they have positives to them specifically 2018 it’s just this game in particular was objectively terrible and the fandom is speaking on it even popular GOW RU-vidrs like Kaptain Kuba & Jon Ford said the game was extremely disappointing.
the story is the worst in a gow, we are almost 10 hours in the entire game from point a-b, kratos developed it in the background and making an anti-character of him, epic moments almost 0 removing thor's fight against kratos, no fight the boss surpasses that of baldur and not even the plot they wanted to tell in (gow2018), ragnarok is a good game but since god of war is already falling very short and in a bad way, kratos in 2018 was better carried narratively and in gameplay we felt like He just wanted to survive and defend himself from the world so that in this game he was replaced by atreus telling us about the "jotnar champion" throughout the trip and a prophecy that never comes true.
Is there a reason why Odin doesn't transport 10 000 einherjar into Sindri and Brock's treehouse via his raven in the broom closet? I mean, Kratos, Atreus and Freya do sleep obviously. What stops Odin from cutting Kratos' throat in the middle of the sleep? They had problem handling a dozen of Hel's zombies when those rifts happened, I don't think it would be a long fight if all of Odin's army marched out of that closet while when Kratos was dreaming about the hot redhead.
Well Odin needs kratos alive because Atreus would never help him is kratos was killed. Odins main goal is to get knowledge and answers. Odin knew Atreus might be able to help him find those. That’s also another reason he was disguised at Tyr, so he could manipulate Atreus to coming to Asgard by creating conflict between Atreus and Kratos. There are so many things people don’t understand about t the game and why those things happened. Pay attention
0:32 He rejects Odins peace treaty hmm let’s gather the facts he doesn’t trust gods in this game the previous game and in the original games, he knows Odin likes to manipulate all gods like the way he did with the dwarfs, and from the stories Mimir told him, and also saw that when Freya trusted him, he put a curse on her forcing her to be trapped on Midgard… yeah I wonder way Kratos doesn’t trust this “peace treaty”
Kratos could have just said "I accept, but I will handle Freya. We will seek no quarrel with you and my son will no longer search for Tyr." Odin and Thor leave peacefully and Atreus is no longer in harms way. And they can come up with a plan of action while Odin and Thor are gone. My point is Kratos should have just lied just to get Odin and Thor to leave peacefully.
@@adamesughi7387 again Kratos doesn’t trust gods and we don’t even know if that’s what will happen, and what if Atreus continues to search for Tyr behind Kratos back, and what if Odin makes him sign an agreement and it will ultimately backfire on Kratos, because he knows how Odin is with people he trusts, so you can’t just make up a scenario that will most likely not happen
@@Fandom_ManWell, we see what happened when Kratos rejected him. Do you think that was the best way that situation could have been handled: Thor killing Kratos in the fight and Atreus being left alone with Odin?
@@adamesughi7387 first of all Kratos survived and he won that fight, and Kratos in these games is holding back because he never wants to go back into his days of killing people, second of all if he agreed to those terms Odin would have used this to his advantage as a way to manipulate Atreus into thinking that he is doing the right thing which is exactly what he wanted to do in the first place, if he agreed to the terms this would have just made it much easier, and made Kratos not be aware that Atreus was even contacting Odin and make Atreus more on his side and see that what Kratos is saying is wrong, and also because Mimir would suspect something is off about his plan because he has known Odin the most out of all these characters
Freya didn’t want to avoid Ragnarok. When Brok died and Kratos meant to leave, Freya kept Gjllahorn and meant to use it. Kratos wanted to avoid Ragnarok, but it was inevitable, so he decided to took a part in it instead of running away. He told Freya he wouldn’t steal from her the choice between life and death again. So it was in character for him to leave Gjllahorn with her
I dont understand odin if hes meant to be wise what was the point of him hanging himself from the world tree to learn the secrets even losing his eye to the mask and not the well of mimmir and get absolutely sluethed by brok?
I think that Odin was lying to Atreus to manipulate him, if you played as the original duo in a boat or sled for long enough, the kid asks Mimir which version of the story is true, and Mimir somewhat confirms his telling of events are true. Besides Odin is a big picture kinda man, who never thought of the little details of his plan, that’s why Brok saw them flaws in Tyr/Odin’s logic.
So theorie about mask: Loki misunderstood some rune on mask, thats why he was in the wrong realm at all. Mask lead him to Garm maybe because its magic ability teleports have same colour as mask and rift, so it could be same type of magic energy. It was the only time mask lead him wrong because it could have been simply detecting strongest source of this type magic in the realm (so usually mask fragment) ,but in this realm there was no mask fragment, so it detected Garm, because it was the strongest source of that green magic. Maybe it makes sense idk.
Someone else has probably commented this by now but the reason kratos refused odins offer in the beginning was because he thought the deal could've been binding like how the deal with ares was in God of war 1 and may have had unintended consequences and could cause many problems later on and he probably was expecting some kind of fight w thor and odin but was caught off guard by the hammer, u can see him step in front of atreus at first to keep himself between thor and atreus
Just needed to watch 2 minutes of the video to understand you didnt get Odins character,he went to the house to ask Atreus to join him because he needs him to translate whats in the mask for him.
The point of the mask in itself is stupid. not to mention that odin who is known as the god of wisdom (ultimate manipulator) is so dumb. why would he kill brok if only Atreus can wear the mask? he would obviously lose his trust. and just think about the points the RU-vidr listed. You'll see that the story is incredibly trash.
@@TheMETALICA40 so you say Odin needed help from Atreus. and then I say he literally did the opposite of that by killing brok making him lose Atreus's trust. and then you say the story went over my head? maybe you are just too deluded to understand that the story is trash XD
@@moezabugrin3525 If you actually played the game you would know Odin killed Brok because Brok was onto him, he figured it out Tyr was not Tyr it was Odin that alone would have made Atreus not trust him anymore...besides Odin had every reason to kill Brok 1st he crafted a weapon to kill Heimdall and used a ring they stole from him to craft it and 2 he was pissed Brok found out he was false. The game won best narrative for a reason instead of letting guys like this(haters)brainwash you make your own conclusions.
Heimdalls foresight ability has limits, he could either focus on kratos and his spear throws but then he'd have to ignore the thrown spears that explode also he isn't looking at the spears when they explode when u throw them on the ground
Very dull and non-engaging, and I almost exclusively play story-driven games. It reminded me of Assassin's Creed Valhalla's story with even worse writing. I LOVED the two Plague Tale games, despite being very slow-paced...definitely my favorite games in the past 5 years. This would definitely have gone back to the store, if this wasn't the digital copy that came with my PS5.
Were the desolation of Vanaheim and the genocide of the Jotnar not enough to convince you that Odin was portrayed as evil? I'm surprised you didn't mention the pointless "sacrifice" of Birgir during the wyvern attack scene on Freyr's boat. Not only did he survive and you could find him in a side quest, two characters in that scene could fly (Freya and Beyla) who could have fended off the wyverns themselves as opposed to this mortal man jumping off the boat.
In regards to the Jotnar, I was under the assumption that because the Giants essentially created the prophecy of Ragnarok, which would destroy Odin and the rest of the Aesir, he wiped them out as a result. Meaning he was just handed a death sentence by the Giants as a result of prophecy, so either wanted revenge for that, or to prevent any more prophecies from happening. Assuming if they were at war even before that, then its just Odin won the war then. Dont know what the very first source of conflict between the 2 was. For Vanaheim, I assumed it was because they were already at War beforehand. Then Odin eventually won. Sadly dont know what the original source of conflict was. Maybe I missed something. Heh, Ill admit, I didnt really care too much about Birgir, so I think I just completely forgot about him since I didnt care too much about him. But yeah after you bringing it up, Freya and Beyla could fly yet didnt even bother to do anything. And Birgir had to get super lucky to flydrive the wyvern into the other one. Like I could maybe believe just stabbing 1 and taking it out with himself, but not coincidentally flying into the other wyvern as well. Funny you brought that up!
@@superlucci I think you missed a LOT of things. But the world needs all types and not every analysis can be super deep. You scratch the surface of many great points, and I agree that this game isn’t the flawless masterpiece everyone seems to think it is. However, it seems like maybe you don’t have much experience with stories or analysis of stories. So a lot of it falls flat and just comes off as rambly or is easily dismissed as someone who missed the point yelling at a wall. Either way, thanks for taking the time to upload the video. Hopefully it can inspire someone who can get a bit deeper and give a more accurate analysis of the flaws to make their own video.
@@superlucci the prophecy of Ragnarok was seen by Groa but the ones responsible for it are the norns, not the giants. The giants can only see the future. Odin committed genocide straight up, leading to the giants hating him and inadvertently putting them on the stance that Ragnarok requires. Odin isn't the good guy, he's an egomaniacle controlfreak who will cross any line to get what he wants.
@@samwellcheck562 practice what I preach? Lol what did I preach that needs to be practiced? Disagreeing with an analysis and elaborating on why I think it’s not good is not an insult. Though I would completely understand why certain limiting factors (an ability to read properly) could contribute to such an understanding. Please let me know what preaching i did that I did not practice in the comment you replied to. Happy to help you understand why that is an incorrect response to what I said.
I have a plethora of reasons of why this story is bad. But the one thing I can’t get past…is that there was an entire war needed…and death to normal civilians happened all because of Kratos was a terrible “general”. He knew the entire time that Fenrir could portal jump out of literally anywhere. And in the end it just happens and they explain it as “giant stuff”. Oh and I spend more time picking fruit than fighting Odin and Thor. This game was the letdown of the century.
Excellent video. You hit the nail on the head. The most disappointing to me was Odin. He just was not as compelling as I had hoped ... To me I felt like the developers were flip-flopping between painting him as an evil manipulator (and failing) and as a deranged man who went crazy obsessing over the mask and the rift. It just was not clear what his purpose was, and I never felt like he was the All-Father we have been hearing about since 2018. It does make sense though when I learned that Santa Monica changed the writers. They had the ingredients for a masterpiece but they mixed it all wrong and burnt some parts. It's sadly still better than most of the half-baked, story-driven games we get nowadays, so the standard is quite low overall.
But you see, they have to make the Norse *GODS* "relatable" to the audience and yaddayaddayadda... You see where this is coming. Man, now this just made me appreciate Comic Marvel Thor's dialogue even more. Dude speaks like he came straight out of Shakespeare's writings, but it's precisely what fits his type of character. Obviously none of the GOW characters are heroic anough to fit into Marvel Thor's whole "noble warrior" shtick, but I expected them to be at least somewhat larger-than-life. Be it the for the good or for the bad.
Every time the majority say “masterpiece” it’s usually the opposite or there’s massive problems with it, which people just ignore. Hell I called this game boring considering the story points are so overdone, like it’s basically just an overbearing parent story. What can I say now because of this video? I can see it also has massive story issues.
The best parts of the story were pretty much everything Cory listed that needed to happen and even then ragnorok wasn’t that interesting. I did love this game but yea Odin looked like an absolute fool
If they tried to go Odin as master manipulator road, they should have taken lessons from Legacy of Kain -series. Story and it's characters are always as clever as their writers. Imo game was good experience for one playthrough. But after thinking how it all went down... I wasn't satisfied. It felt too marvel-like for me. Now it gathers dust on my shelf. Never playing again. Good ending for Kratos, I guess... yay! Could be worse. (tlou2)
I didn't like TLoU2 much (bc I didn't really care about Abby) At least tlou2 dark tone made sense imagine if it like Ragnarök Disney marvel unserious ass tone, also at least Tlou2 was very memorable and got u thinking about it for days and Ragnarök u forget it the next day lol
@@simpleclout5546 I watched the leaks of tlou2 before the game came out and I'm glad that I did. It was a shit-show with it's execution of story. Saved me 70 e. It was a total step-down from tlou1. Tlou1 is still good and didn't need sequel in my opinion.
I forgot to mention heimdall can't see the future, he can only see what someone is about to do by looking into their eyes, that's why he can't read the spear the same way he reads people
Kratos: we don’t follow prophecy, we choose our own path Also Kratos: everything I did was already foretold and written, but that’s a good thing now ???
It's funny because Fay already laid the prophecy for them in 2018, so Kratos's whole "Don't believe in prophecy" speil is just meaningless because they only succeeded in 2018 because the giants already laid their prophecy to success.
@@YEY0806 yeah exactly. I was willing to accept that since it was the first game, and it set the chilling setup of “this was all foretold and it happened, and look, we see Kratos die in this mural, so that means there’s a big chance it’ll happen.” That made me hype to see how he would avoid death and defy prophecy in the next game. Instead, he avoided death because he was never supposed to die. That was Odin in the mural, not him. So it doesn’t matter. He’s an agent of fate and prophecy, not the opposite. They basically took away what made Kratos interesting and defined him in the original games.
Also for the mask lighting up pointing at Garm but then the piece not being there, I thought it was cause the realms essentially existed on top of one another so then the mask would light up but you wouldn't exactly know where the pieces were and at what realm
He says in Ragnarök that he thinks it's pointless and a dead end, you wouldn't bring something up that you thought was completely pointless and a dead end, he didn't actually make much progress through his life until atreus came with his god powers of language
Western game-developers can't make good engaging boss fights with player agency at all! They are all mostly; hack this bitch for a while before next cinematic-sequence. snore. Non of the bosses were engaging in GOW- Ragnarok, nor was the combat. It was mediocre.
@@hurricane7727 the story of this game was a mess but it's bosses are certainly better than gow2 because they don't block all the freaking time and have a lot of moves the first thor fight and garm are way better than any god of war2 boss fight.
@@حسنحيدرحازم Technically the Sisters of Fate Canonically should be the Most Dangerous Opponents Kratos has Ever Fought since They Controlled the Lives of Every Mortal, God and Titan in Greek Pantheon
Odin wanted Freya to cast the same spell she casted on Baldur but she DID say that after seeing what it did to her son she refused. When she refused he “tore the room apart”. It was only after that he became cold and started treating her bad. So there is ur reason.
It still doesn't make sense lmao. Appreantly just a lil mistletoe could cure the spell so she had no reason to deny unless she didn't trust him in which case, we know that isn't the cause. Just a weird plot hole
in the beginning odin and thor scene, odins plan was to get close to atreus more than anything that's why thor wasn't planning on killing kratos only keeping him busy so odin had a plan no matter what kratos responded with and kratos had no real reason to accept that offer knowing odin would never own up to it especially when all mimir talked about last game was how terrible odin was and was the reason magni modi and baldur were after them in the first place (obviously in baldurs case, he was really searching for faye, but it was really so odin could weed out all the giants for good so its still a reason to distrust him)
It wasn’t just about “keeping him busy,” Thor still wanted to make sure his sons died an honorable death. That’s why he kept saying “let me see the god killer, monster inside etc Yea he was on a leash somewhat but he needed questions answered for himself as well
gow 2018 is still the best for me because the story, pacing, runic attacks are more satisfying. but gowragnarok has the best combat, good graphics and environment
I mean yeah I guess that makes sense but that’s not at all satisfying compared to something like from the original games where he had to do something big like killing the sisters of fate.
@@kingkocoa4467 But it is easy to change Kratos' heart, because you literally can't fuck it up in the game. No matter what happens, you just easily romp through Ragnarok and win. It's not like you can choose a wrong choice or whatever.
@@kingkocoa4467 that's not prophecy that's earthly prediction human characters in stories can make those same predictions prophecy should be events that are going to happen even kratos was bound by prophecy in his actions in the first games
The story isn't bad, you just weren't paying attention to anything that any of the characters said. Kratos rejected Odin's offer because he just doesn't trust gods and refuses to make deals with them. He says this at some point later in the game and you even allude to his history with gods. Every time he's made a deal with a god it doesn't end well for him and they always try to use him somehow. Not killing Freya is just another reason to reject Odin but his main reason is he just doesn't make deals with gods on principle, especially untrustworthy ones. Odin disguising himself as Tyr served several purposes. Odin's whole deal is he wants to know everything and control everything through manipulation. By disguising himself he's keeping tabs on Kratos, learns what they know, and nudges Atreus right into his arms. And it worked out pretty well for him until Brok made him lose his cool and he blew his cover. And on that note, it's pretty clear from the scene that Odin is getting really annoyed with Brok's incessant questioning. He didn't just spurge for no reason. On top of that, he was desperate to get his mask back because, as was made abundantly clear earlier in the game, the mask is Odin's chief obsession. He's not a perfect manipulator, even he is prone to mistakes and he has his own hot temper. And he'd gotten pretty used to calling Atreus Loki so that was also a pretty reasonable mistake when he's desperate. Like at this point you're just being petty and nitpicky. Also, there's dialog that addresses Odin seeming to be all right in person. It's part of his manipulation of Atreus. Taking in the refugees seems to be generous but in reality they're there to act as a buffer and make the gang hesitate to attack during Ragnarok. _They literally said this._ Like, my god, how much did you just flat out ignore so you could act like the story was bad? Atreus and we only get to see what Odin wants us to see for like two days but Mimir, Freya, Freyr, the dwarves, Thor, they all have centuries of first hand experience with the guy. I think they would know better than Atreus. It's made very clear that Odin only really cares about ultimate knowledge. Everything and everybody are just chess pieces for him to use to get what he wants, even if it hurts or destroys those around him. He shows kindness to Atreus not because he is kind but because Atreus is useful to him for his language abilities. His cruelty comes on full display after his cover is blown, he kills Brok for annoying him and Thor for disobeying him. It was always about completing the mask and seeing into the tear. Prophecy being meaningless kind of is the point of the story. Again, you weren't paying attention to the dialog or you misread the themes of the story here. Kratos talks about how the Greek Fates were flawed fortunetellers and how he doesn't trust those who supposedly prophesy the future. The Norns go on to say they don't actually read the future as if it's all predetermined. They say that people are predictable and their ability to read and predict people is interpreted by others as them reading a predetermined future. And the reason they're so certain of their predictions is because they believe nobody is capable of change, something Odin also believes. That's the central theme here, that people _are_ capable of change. The prophecy shows Kratos dying because if he'd continued the way he's always been, becoming a monster again as he said he would in his rallying speech, he would have died against Thor in the final battle. But he did change by the end of the story to "be better" and turn away from his monstrous ways. The turning point was when he told Atreus his way was wrong and that Atreus should open his heart. And by Kratos opening his own heart he was able to stop Thor's rampage and avert his own death. Speaking of, Kratos was never that concerned about avoiding his death. He says as well that his main concern is preparing Atreus for when he isn't around anymore. He saw the prophecy and proceeded as if it might come true. If it didn't, good, but if it did then at least Atreus would be okay. That was his mindset. Angrboda was also pretty clear that the details of prophecies are subject to change but the grand design still remains. Kratos's death was a detail but not the main point of the Ragnarok prediction. You're missing the forest for the trees. Also, if the Jotunheim section was just a cutscene then there wouldn't be much to Angrboda or Atreus's relationship with her. It was character development and worldbuilding. Without that whole section we wouldn't have any context on soul magic, which several major plot points revolve around, or any knowledge about the giants and Atreus's quest after Ragnarok. This segment also ties into Atreus "being annoying." The whole point is he's a rebellious teenager figuring out who he is without his father. Teens are angry, emotional, defiant. Of course he would stay away from home as late as he could to spend time with this girl he's starting to like. Sorry but I can't finish this video. Your criticisms are just bad and everyone who agrees with you are also not very good critics. You're all just jumping at the chance to hate this game because it didn't meet your absurdly high expectations but it's a pretty solid story when you stop comparing it to what you wanted it to be and look at it for what it is.
All those things you said, we understand what you mean, but you dont seem to recognize all the bad writing.i can recognize so much bad writing in this game. I think it is concerning how the massas are labeling bad writing as brilliant.
@@vincentprins6682 No, in the video he didn’t understand what the person in this comment means. There are very few good critiques out there. In 99% of the criticism it goes all over their head, they didn’t get it. The writing isn’t bad, have you seen the dialog of assassin’s creed? That’s what bad writing It’s like. The biggest issue with ragnarok It’s the game making it’s own way and not pleasing people’s expectations. There’s a lot of things that are explained IN-GAME of the critique in this awful video
I will never understand how kratos actually beat heimdall, shouldn't heimdall be able to predict the future? Even if kratos stopped thinking so he couldn't mind read him he can still use his foresight power he is the god of fucking foresight, and even with the spear's infinite copies it still doesn't make sense he can still foresee it and simply dash towards kratos and punch him before he detonates the spears
@@cookingwithkratos that still doesn't make sense let's say the infinite copies can overload him, he should still be able to predict the detonation he is clearly much faster than kratos why couldn't he sprint towards him and just tackle him to the ground?
I feel like it would have been alot better if they weren't so afraid to make Kratos the bad guy. The man legit flooded Greece, made Poseidon's mistress a doorstopper, and countless other heinous acts. The Norse gods actively helped humanity. Asgard wasn't off raping like Zeus was constantly. Have Kratos murder a few people that was too close to his home, leading to a warning from Thor. Thor has always been a bit touchy about giants harming humans in the Eddas.
I mean, the whole story of the previous game was Kratos getting over that, and it's not a terrible idea, so we get a change of pace. It was just done poorly.
Incredibly good video. You made some very good points. I already had many reasons on why the story was very disappointing but, for example, it never occurred to me how contradictory it was when Atreus wanted to manipulate Surtr but at the same time he was a sentimental pussy all the game trying to help and save people. Also, as you said, the whole point of going to get surtr was to eliminate Odin, but at the end it seems Asgard is destroyed for literally no valid reason lol
Surtr's primary job was to start Ragnarok & destroy Asgard and that's what happened. Also did you forget when midway Kratos decides to send Frey & Freya to slow him?
@@josephchristophermcdonalda6666 Surtr doesn't even want to destroy anything, he just want to be left alone but Atreus manipulated him and used him as a weapon (which contradicted Kratos' character about not wanting to use anyone as weapon). Then for some stupid reason, when Surtr became Ragnarok, he just mindless beast.
@@zeroskaterz92it’s because he didn’t have enough time as ragnarok, if I remember correctly they literally stated that in the beginning of the war.they almost instantly start ragnarok after surtr becomes ragnarok
But the issue is the fact that Kratos knows that not only is he in a bad spot but, more importantly, Atreus. He has two of the most infamous Aseir gods and probably more hiding somewhere near his home that he doesn't know about. He knows that Odin would not accept a dismissal without grave consequences, Kratos couldn't even deal with Thor on his own due to holding back. Imagine going against both gods. Because of this, Kratos would be wise to barter and come with a compromise with Odin so that he can avoid potentially getting his son killed or kidnapped. It is because of the plot that when Thor distracted Kratos while Atreus was alone with Odin, he wasn't kidnapped, killed, or cursed by Odin to not visit other realms in order to stop him form finding Tyr like he did with Freya.
27:00 I wanted to add to this. Freya’s given reason for not teaching Odin this magic is the impact it had on Baldur. This makes no sense. She knew how Baldur became insane from this magic and yet did nothing to help him? She cared more for Odin’s sanity than her son’s? At the end of the last game she refused to lift the curse, knowing that mistletoe would have freed him from his torment. I’m glad I’m not the only one profoundly disappointed in the game’s story (and bewildered by the near-universal acclaim). My biggest problem with the story is that Odin had no answer to stop/hijack Ragnarok, despite warnings from Kratos that he has had thousands of years to prepare. He starts it by killing Brok but his only plan is to use the mask? Maybe there was to be more in the final battle but those resources got allocated to more important sections, like Ironwood.
Huh you bring up something that I didnt think about. Another commenter "Jordan Alexander" pointed out your point about Freyas reason not wanting to teach Odin was because of her experience with Baldur. So I felt like I definitely messed up there (which I did because Freya did have a reason where I thought she didnt) and then had sympathy for Freya for not wanting to see it happen again. But as you just point out, that essentially means she cared more for Odins sanity rather than her own sons, which makes zero sense. She could've undone the magic at any point in time so why didnt she? If she thinks sanity is important that it shouldnt be lost, then she would've removed it from Baldur, but if she thinks life is more important than sanity, then she would've taught it to Odin.
I came to a revelation that the reason the game is reviewd so well for its many "improvements" they downplay ALL the "dissapointments" or flaws. I think its due to whatever god of war 2018 had that most "god of war fans" wanted more of, didnt get in sacrifice for its story but still staying VERY faithful. Ragnarok was made to listen to all these nitpicks and "cretiques" of how the games "werent like the old games" when the whole reason for this change was because the serires was becoming repetitive. Ragnarok fixed all these changes that would appeal to those audiences to enjoy. Which HEAVILY impacted the quality of the story, that was such a driving force in....all the God of war games before it. Needless to say Ragnarok appeals to its fans, which destroyes the game in its entirety. Because Santa Monica is a studio that Achives incredible feats from they're own ideas, not the ones from their fans. The fans are simply meant to give them encouragement and confidence. Not play a major role in its creative direction.
I mean, it depends; if your "creative direction" for an existing IP is to change the things the fans like about that IP, yeah, no, maybe they should listen a little more. I'm tired of series becoming totally different experiences because some asshole thought his "creative vision" was more important than pleasing the fans. If you want ot make something original, do so.
gow 2018 showed how to make a perfect game and ragnarok completely ruins it, the casuals don't understand that it's boring to see a story that leaves kratos in the background and they take away everything that was his character with his artificial suffering with atreus, it seemed to me more genuine like when he fixes his quiver with the mistletoe or when he simply gives him wine to drink instead of making a story where 10 hrs are pathetic problems of kratos and atreus that are really uninteresting to watch because it is abused almost to the point of want to close the game, just like the argument that odin was the most evil and everyone has to unite .. so they closed freya's arc with revenge? Pathetic, I would have preferred a story where Freya allies with Odin to try to kill Kratos, it would have been much more interesting and more because he would have to take care of Atreus, and he already missed predicting the story because it is so diverse and his objective is not Clear.
