This film doesn't even know what Atheism actually stands for. When the professor says he "hates God," that would make him a Misotheist technically. I'm Atheist and I have no reason to hate something that I don't believe exists.
+CoderatheGreat "I'm Atheist and I have no reason to hate something that I don't believe exists." I hate Jar Jar Binks and Edward Cullen and they don't exist. It's QUITE possible to hate a fictional being.
+Idoloish Touche, though it's not like I blame Jar Jar Binks and Edward Cullen for giving me mild tinnitus or anything (I could always start though). :P
Idoloish True but you don't hate them because they're fictional beings. People hate Stalin, sure, but (usually) not because he's Russian, but because he's a genocidal maniac, and in some cases, people hate him because he was a communist AND a genocidal maniac.
Muslim girl: "It's for my father. He's very traditional." Yeah, he forces me to wear the full face-concealing portion of a niqab, while allowing me to wear short sleeved blouses and skinny jeans...? That's not how hijab works!
Considering the Chinese father and son are speaking two different languages and Josh is looking at Luke while being told to read Matthew, I highly doubt those guys care.
no, you're the one who's confused.. Hijab means you only show your face and hands, Niqab means you cover everything including your face, and a Burka is just the cloth that covers the face you don't wear a burka without covering everything else unless you're a crazy person
Hijab is supposed to be used to conceal your face to males outside your family... so I suppose that’s what’s supposed to be happening here. Father is traditional, but not ultra conservative to where he’d have his daughter wear a burqa.
Can we just acknowledge the way Josh exploited possibly the most traumatic experience of Radisson’s life and emotionally broke him in front of his class, just so he could prove his point? Our hero, ladies and gentlemen.
Or Josh leading Radisson to his death as he was on the way to same concert he was at. The Police, The Dean would be investigating the incident with the debate and the death of Professor. Realistically speaking, Josh would be expelled from the university for the connection to the death of a professor. I think the class would rat out after they did that God Not Dead stunt. Which they didn't do their own research but already had their minds made up.
Me I’d embarrass Josh by turning the tables on him by asking him why he hates Allah, Jehovah, Vishnu, or any god that requires faith in order to prove its existence.
with all of that,considered, it is Very Ironic too as Josh would clearly be going to hell for the death of Radisson. so much for being a "Good Christian"
These are fundamentalist Christians though. And the writers are stupid, it's like they've never been to college, had a philosophy class, met a Muslim or an atheist
You know, I just realized how fucking insulting that final class argument is to everyone who has ever studied philosophy. They really expect people to buy that a philosophy professor would be completely stumped trying to come up with an irreligious explanation of morality? I took an entire class on ethics in first year, and I'm not even a philosophy major! Read some goddamn Hobbes or something!
Let me try. "If you believe in objective, divine justice and morality above the petty laws and thoughts of men, you're a piece of shit and you're not moral at all." Did I do it right?
If you're an Athiest, that means you don't believe in any gods or religion. If you hate god, that means you believe there is a god and you hate said god.
Wait, the professor's an atheist because he saw his mother die of cancer? Shit, if he'd only run out of the hospital right after, he'd have become Star-Lord!
H. M. in which case, Radisson isn't really an Atheist - he does believe in God, and only questions His existence just to spite Him. this movie is actually theological infighting, what a total load...
If only he prayed harder than he was already doing then maybe God would have saved her so he wouldn't be an athiest. OH WAIT, no, that would make too much fucking sense! And I know stuff like that does happen in real life, but even so, if something seems to point out how little a creator actually does exist by writing him to allow something shitty to happen to someone already faithful, then it kind-of makes the opposite argument that the film's trying super hard to drive home. Especially when there's no explanation for any of it at all! Seriously, if they're trying to argue this is part of god's plan that he just didn't understand yet, then shouldn't they show how his mother dying was a good thing in some way that he just sort-of didn't notice or something? Or would that take too much effort for this shit-stain of a film?
I mean in the beginning its the that bad, all he wants then is just that you debate about it in a debate class. But then they realize he wouldnt be a comic book villain by acting logically so they had him turn insane
He's got tenure, you can't touch him. Besides, they didn't fire "White Genocide George," and what he said was far more objectionable than just shitting on the dearly-held beliefs of his class.
Oh my god best comment on this video. Just if that was true, shouldn't there be a serial killer in this movie? Cause I'm seeing so much straw my hayfever is flaring up
Because morality is entirely dependent on religious beliefs. Every single law and tradition and ethic you see today you can thank religion for, including the Constitution of the United States of America which it grants to all citizens as "inalienable", being that they were bestowed by an almighty creator, according to the Declaration of Independence and the founding fathers own writings.
@@bud389 Are you serious? Sounds like trolling to me. _Every single law, tradition, and ethic_ is thanks to religion? Including laws allowing abortion, or the laws that allowed the housing crash of 2008? Including the traditions that violate the constitution, like teachers acting as government agents preaching or praying in the classroom? Besides the hyperbolic statements, there's obviously several different ways to derive morality in a purely secular basis. Consequentialism. Secular Humanism. Or perhaps a mix of both based on people's Well-Being. Like, it's easy to Google "Secular Morality" you know.
@@bud389 No. 1. The first and second commandments contradict freedom of religion and freedom of expression enshrined in the First Amendment. US laws and the Constitution came from the values of the Enlightenment and the Magna Carta, which stemmed from Greco-Roman society. 2. Thomas Jefferson, the author of the Declaration of Independence, was a Deist as were many of the Founding Fathers. They were not inspired by the Christian God.
@@bud389 Hmmm... no they're not, and no, many laws do not have a religious origin. Morals come from the need to live in a stable society. In fact, religions (admittedly, usually the more extreme forms) often disregard commonly held morals, such as non-discrimination, freedom, equality, and advocates for things like genocide, protecting criminals if they hold the right job/position, etc. You do not have to be religious to not be a psychopath.
I don't really understand this rampant hatred of Atheism. I'm an Atheist and I couldn't give a crown of bloody horns for what you do with religion as long as it doesn't spread hatred.
Here in America we have a huge wave of conservative Christianity that really gained momentum and power during the Cold War and the Reagan years where the political thinking that anybody who is slightly left on the political spectrum is a Stalinist who despises the country started to prop up. It's because of this wave that 43% of this nation still believes a creationist explanation from a holy text is a better explanation for the biodiversity of life than evolutionary theory, scientific progress has slowed down immensely in order to favor building new weapons for a massive military-industrial complex instead of the well-being of the population, and why so many are trying to rewrite history to make Christians seem like the brave heroic knights of their fantasy and anybody who is not a vile villain. We still have a few people here who think that atheism and Stalinism are certainly connected, that you need to believe in God to be moral despite the fact that statistics show atheism are just as moral, if not more moral than religious individuals according to prison demographics, that America is certainly a Christian nation despite the fact that so many legal documents from the days of the Founding Fathers say it is not founded on the belief, and even many here believe Hitler was an atheist, despite the fact that just with a little bit of research, it is clear the Nazi Party was attached to, and drenched in the Christian belief. Sorry for all this, I've been trying to end it a bit myself but too many just don't want to listen.
I'm a Christian and I couldn't care less about atheism as long as you're not forcing ideas and insulting others for their beliefs. And the same goes for other Christians.
I think it's people like Richard Dawkins and others of the New Atheist Movement that is giving Atheism a bad name, much like how the Westboros Baptist church gives Christians a bad name. Same as ever, really. The biggest idiots shout the loudest, and the best people to actually talk to don't want to get involved in the screaming match.
This comment thread. I like this comment thread. It's my kind of comment thread. Now watch as the fanatics obliterate all sanity in it. *popcorn But seriously, yes. No system of belief that I know of has any bearing on a person's existing morality. Atheism is simply a lack of faith, and all faiths I know of are essentially a set of chosen rules to guide the passage of one's life.
My mother forced me to watch this movie because I brought up the topic of Buddhism around her. She thought I was going to convert to Buddhism. Because I talked about what I learned in my class that day.
She made you watch THIS movie because she suspected that you might lose faith?! She would have probably had a more positive impact by cutting off your leg!
Jinhunter Slay Yeah, but these people act like its just as big of a deal as actually wining a real argument, so they'll say its 2000 exp when everyone else knows its just 2.
+Brandon Roberts there's no point in talk to that BTIsaac guy. His head is so far up his own ass that he's created his own one person human centipede. Which perfectly sums up his personality. he's constantly spewing shit, sucking it back up and it just goes in circles forever.
Is it just me or does the argument: "Without God there is no need to have a conscience" seams like the excuse a sociopath makes? Like there is no way for people for feel sympathy for eachother, we need god to not murder eachother.
it's basically a false reversion. with that i mean assuming an extreme opposite rather than just the denial of a positive. they basically say, if god doesn't exist, then nihilism is true. but the only conclusion we can draw is: if god doesn't exist, then god doesn't exist. since everything is as it is that would mean that the lack of god had no influence on our live at all.
@@stammesbruder It could also be an argument that tries to cite the experience of being able to prefer actions we consider good over evil ones as proof a Creator Deity exists, but that would open itself up to how one doesn't need to use a god to explain completely natural phenomenon.
So what the heck happens to the ex-Muslim girl? Unlike the other supporting characters, she doesn't appear in any of the sequels; last we see of her, she's homeless, but hey, she's rocking out at a Newsboys concert, so it's all good! Would it have been so difficult to throw in a 10 second scene with the pastor saying, "Don't worry, we'll put you up at the church until you can find a place to stay"?
@@laurahuynh8333 she has a story of her own in the 4th movie-yes, there is a 4th one. She's completely useless and one of the reasons she's there is to have a pointless sideplot of her missing her Muslim father.
+Nereidhar the movie the exorcist had a lot of success to what I like about the movie the exorcist made in 1973 it's that is based on a true story and read the real story I so happy I did I love every word but what would make me really happy is if I read the diary where everything was written as it was happening by the priest that would be the best thing ever
+Nereidhar Ah, but you forget of just how many of dumb-ass in America are in fact Christian (which is sadly ONE of the most narrow minded of all religions in the world) and a lot of them make there home in the south. I would know, I work as a cashier at a Wal-Mart in a small town located in the south, and let me tell you just how meany copies of that movie I had to check out.( The answer is too meany.)
I’m just like so your reason is because you don’t want to burn in hell for eternity? My motivation is hey, it’s nice being a nice person and caring about others. I don’t do it because I’m scared of burning by the being that’s supposed to LOVE ME.
@@Joannefibracs9994 Whenever I hear that 'you can't be moral without God' crap, all I think is, if an old book is the only thing stopping you from committing horrible crimes, then that says more about you than it does about me.
Ikr. I believe in the Bible ( even tho I don't agree with some of the decisions that were made in the past) and even I think this is crazy. You don't need someone to tell you "oh, don't stab this person". Smh.
Amy - “I got the results of the test back, I definitely have cancer” Mark - “This couldn’t have waited until tomorrow?” Tommy Wiseau - “Ha ha, what a story Mark.”
+Jeff Jacobson Yeah, that's how the strawman argument works - it's easier for the writers to argue for the existence of God when they can rewrite the Atheists' thesis so that it sounds like it proves their point.
God: Hmm, this guy says he hates me, I am going to kill him in a car accident, but leave him slightly alive, just long enough so that he can say he loves me and thus stroke my petty ego. For an all knowing, all powerful being, I certainly am rather petty and small minded, aren't I? Almost as if...humans wrote my character.
Whenever the preachers say that god is good line, I'm like "The worst thing that happens to you is your rental car breaking! You aren't the ones dying from cancer or a car accident or whose mother died when they were 12 or something!"
+BTIsaac oh for fucks sake check your god damn ego. just because you believe something doesn't make it right. I'm not saying you are wrong, but you keep fucking rambling on, shoving your ideas down other people's throats. Its exactly like the religions you oppose so vehemently, although you are far worse.
I love how the movie can only come up with evolution as the most objectionable thing the liberal blogger puts on a bumper sticker. It's as if they couldn't bring themselves to make it a pro-choice or pro-gay one in case their audience fainted.
My favorite is still the start of his Night of Terror review. ''Believe It or not I'm Walking on air- Snob: FUCK! -i never thought i could feel so free!''
I guess I can see it as a good movie in a sense that it successfully says what it wants to say? However, this is severely undermined by the wrongness you mentioned. The movie is so inaccurate in its portrayal of reality that at no point I thought that it's saying anything about real life. Furthermore, even on a technical level it is hilariously inept. Some of the cuts didn't make a lot of sense (like that jump from the classroom scene to an airplane landing), the writing is melodramatic, and it has way too many subplots, most of them meandering aimlessly until they all somehow terminate at the concert.
Squidward: "What are those lying pigheads up to? Don't they know I'm busy spoiling myself?" *Two Christians kick open the door* Squidward: "Aaaaaahhhhhhh! Ahhhhhhhhh! Ahhhhhhhhh! *huff huff huff* Ahhhhhhhh! Ahhhhhhhh! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh!" *one them hit Squidward with a bible*
You know, when I heard they were making a movie called "God's Not Dead" that takes place on a college campus, I was hoping it would be a college student, questioning his/her faith, who meets people who do and do not believe in God for their own personal reasons. I know that's sort of a cliched film, but it would've been a lot better than this movie.
I'm pretty sure there are laws against religious discrimination for colleges, but seeing as how the psychotic SJW mentality has taken them over and they can get away with things like "free speech zones", I wouldn't find it too farfetched to not see a teacher like this fired right off the bat.
***** No, it's a term used to describe people who want to whine and cry to authority into changing how everyone else thinks and acts instead of getting over the fact that the real world doesn't give two shits about their feelings
***** I don't bitch about them, I jut tell it like it is and feel pity when I actually meet one of them since they constantly demand to be coddled and they end up being extremely unprepared for how the real world is going to work. And what exactly do you mean"underprivileged".
Any philosophy teachers who isn’t going to talk about religion in his classroom is a bad teacher. Religion has had a massive influence on philosophy whether or not you believe in God.
As a christian myself movies like this bother me. I hear the argument from so many people, "But it's about god so the quality doesn't matter". "Christian Art" (which has become an industrialized term) should be good actually hire talented actors an writers for your movies. Don't demonize people who don't believe what you believe and please stop victimizing yourselves. Christians are the Majority in this country not the minority. This victimization is nothing more than a Fear Mongering tactic.
The movie isn't even that bad. People take onesided and plot holes to mean it's totally evil. You cannot water down the gospel message until nobody takes any offence at it.
Plot convenience. See, everyone else are required to be thickos so that mr. righteous can exposit/preach at them, and by extension a wholesome family audience.
+Arianrhod Hyde I would say that some people just have a chance of not hearing about some words or terminology until much later...but then I remembered it's this movie, so everyone's an idiot.
+Donnel Waddle Dee To be fair, lack of knowledge does not automatically mean lack of intelligence/wisdom. One can still be intelligent even if ignorant of certain things. While it may be strange for one not already knowing what others find obvious, they could not help not knowing. The students in this movie learned what theism was in the end so their lack of knowledge of that is filled in.
It's really funny because the premise of the movie is flawed. The philosophy professor isn't even an atheist, he's a misotheist; he hates god. If you wanted to convey an actual militant atheist, maybe he would have asked the class to write down "God is a fairy tale", not "God is dead", which implies he was somehow alive at some point. But I digress... it's just a shitty Christian propaganda film. Also, the debate is just a back and fourth appeal to authority fallacy and baseless assertions. It's the most shallow examination of the existence of god I've probably ever seen.
+Michael Riley ah, but what you're talking about would actually require, you know some brainpower. it's so much easier to depict atheists as one dimensional cartoonish villains with an agenda, rather than make them into believable characters who base their opinions on logic and facts rather than personal tragedy. and your right, there was no attempt made at actually trying to depict a debate on the issue. and the filmmakers clearly didn't give a fuck about presenting both sides evenly. that moment where the film claims that the existence of God is supported by science, has to be one of the most arrogant messages I've seen in a film in a very long time. if this was a real debate, there is no way in hell that statement would have gone unchallenged.
I think it's both very funny and somewhat alarming that the filmmakers BADLY misunderstood the quote that the title of the movie is based on. Paraphrasing Nietzsche: "God is dead" because Man has killed him and, to cope with the guilt and horror of killing God, props up God's body as a puppet. Man espouses his own selfish ideas as God's word. ...but the makers of this film were either stupid enough to not get it, or smart enough to not address it. I mean, why bring up all that scaaary thinking about how people can lie to you and trick you by saying God said so? It's not like we're lying to you and tricking you by saying God said so! Why not? 'cuz God said so!
Egalitariat Not quite. The actual quote "God is dead" comes from a story (I'm going to say that is was called the parable of the mad man, thanks Google). It goes as follows: "God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we, murderers of all murderers, console ourselves? That which was the holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet possessed has bled to death under our knives. Who will wipe this blood off us? With what water could we purify ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we not ourselves become gods simply to be worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whosoever shall be born after us - for the sake of this deed he shall be part of a higher history than all history hitherto."" It basically means that through our logic and scientific advancement we cast a light into the superstition, learned enough about our world that it removed the _point_ of god. We grew up, and no longer need stories to understand things too great for us to comprehend, and this is *a good thing*. This means that we no longer have to live our lives in fear of divine punishment or guilt of our imperfections.
+Ash Kitt Stopped the Holocaust? Do you realize that there are Christians out there who, while admitting it was a terrible thing, say that it was necessary as it lead to the creation of Israel. Of course their whole schtick is for everybody of Jewish blood to finally gather in Israel so that their second coming can take place. To these people God is capable of doing anything he wants if he gets the results he wants.
"You're changing our agreement" The dude's angry as if his girlfriend should have asked his permission first to get a cancer? This kind of guys usually get the most brutal deaths in slasher films.
@@MinscFromBaldursGate92A “hate sink”, huh? Sounds like something I’d actually be down with, especially as someone who’s gotten irrationally angry at fictional villains before: let the hatred out on this guy who isn’t real, that way you’re not as hateful in real life. The problem is the hate sinks in these movies are supposed to represent real kinds of people or groups, so they have the opposite effect and inflame real hate.
Sheesh, I'm a gay Atheist and this movie made me so pissed with the way they portrayed Christians. I don't know if it's where I live or something but I've never met Christians that are such self-righteous, whiny morons with persecution complex. I know they are out there, or a film like this would never be made, but I'm hopeful that a majority of Christians don't think and believe this way in the film. As for the Atheist/Liberals portrayed in this film, I've see more subtle straw-men villains in Hanna Barbera cartoons...
Yep, all a part of the loud minority. Same way with Islam and so many other beliefs, fandoms, and many other things people identify with. Most of the radicals are going to be heard more than the moderates or more centered folk. But people are doing their best to make the center heard and make something better. Keep up the attitude their, I believe you can make something better.
@@gabrielgaming2651 and you, sir, are why so many turn away from faith. How about practicing the love in the Teachings of Christ rather than the anger, rage and loathing of the Human hate preaching?
My best friend is an athiest because he's a firm believer in facts and logic, and he's practically my best bro. I hate when people treat others differently because of their beliefs.
Yeah, this movie presents atheists in a bad light. In fact, it confuses atheism with misotheism to the fact that the professor isn't even likable or logical. It's basically everyone who is providing logical arguments against christianity and the idea of religion is wrong and fu**ing idiot. Great job movie.
I am an indian and i believe that there is no one true religion. Humanity is true religion. We as human beings have to understand compassion and empathy for each other and solve problems with civil conversations. I even have a cross in my house. It doesn't matter which religion you are in.
Nietzsche's quote is one of the most misunderstood and misinterpreted philosophical statements, and this movie proves it. He was not talking about a God who was biologically alive and is now deceased. He was expressing his concern that a civilization built on a moral foundation that is entirely predicated on God as a source of absolute morality would become unstable and nihilistic as people drifted away from organized religion. Science and reason were gaining influence, but people for the most part were still dependent on the religion they were raised into as their sole source of morality. Yet he was not advocating nihilism (another common misconception) but rather arguing that we should look outside the religious framework of our culture, to recognize the value of the world we live in and the humans we share it with for a new moral basis. After all, if people are only good out of fear of divine punishment, or from appeal to divine authority, then what are they going to do if their faith should ever be shaken?
The muslim girl wears the head part of a niqab while wearing generic western clothing that shows a modest amount of skin, wat. It does not even make sense, if she worn a normal Hijab than it would be rather normal but from my experience as a practicing Muslim for my entire life, the people who tend to wear niqabs or enforce them are very influenced by their middle eastern culture and sharia law and would cover themselves from head to toe in a niqab not just the head part.
Also, why did the professor, who, mind you, told the class to renounce their faith to END any arguments about the existence of God, devote 20 minutes of the next three classes to DEBATING WHETHER GOD EXISTS? That's kind of a complete 180°. When I didn't turn in an assignment, my professor gave me an F, and we moved on.
I have a hard time believing this Josh douche weasel is the first student to ever call Prof. Kevin Sorbo out on his bullshit. Or that he'd be the only person in HIS class to have a problem with this idiotic assignment and didn't go to the administrative office and report his ass. This dude should have been fired years ago.
@vulkan435 Not just that. The guy is so bad he has a reputation for it, that's why the guy at class registration warned him. How does the professor have a rep for being an anti-Christian asshat and nobody complained?
My sister's ex mother-in-law was a physiology professor, and she had no tolerance talking about Christianity. But strangely, she once went on a trip to Rome and toured the Vatican. I asked if she saw the Pope, and she knee-jerkingly spat out, "Fuck the Pope." She went from cool to bitch in 0.3 seconds.
8:08 I'm not saying I'm an expert on Islamic culture, but I'm at least 98% sure a father who's as "strict" as the father wouldn't let his daughter wear fucking jean pants
+aenjgeal what i dont get is why the father would be against her listening to christian sermons,when Christianity is at least 80% integrated into Islam and is effectively just another branch of the same tree
Kevin Sorbo is actually pretty good in this movie. He has fairly good charisma and a strong presence in the film. No joke, I think a prequel about Radisson’s ‘fall’ to a person who is so angry with God that he calls himself an Atheist to justify that anger could be pretty decent.
+TheAndrewj96 I find it nutty that some religious people have the gull to assert that a holiday all about nasty practical jokes and supernatural superstitions is some how the most Atheist centered Holiday. God's Not Dead 2 a truly in bad taste practical joke on the American citizen that celebrates supernatural explanations to unimportant questions and lies about who faces religious oppression in the country. A Better movie is 'The Lord is not on trial here today'. This Documentary about the McCollum vs. Board of Education case address just why religion in school is bad and the lengths society will go to suppress dissent. Side note the title was actually taken from a quote the smug school board hired defense attorney made in derision of the case's merit.
This movie does Christianity a disservice. It portrays its "villains" (e.g. anybody who isn't Christian) so cartoonishly, stereotypically, and ignorantly, that anyone that the filmmakers are trying to convert will instantly dismiss its message without a second thought, any Christians who don't utterly abhor non-believers will be embarrassed by it, and anyone who praises the film for its intended purposes will be used as an example of just how bigoted Christians CAN be (and even I, a remorseless atheist in my personal life, know that a great many of them aren't that bad). Oh, and on top of that, it's an objectively bad movie. Seriously, does anyone at Pure Flix actually care about genuine filmmaking qualities? I laughed so hard at the bit where the professor tries to put down the kid's speech by calling it propaganda, when that is EXACTLY what this film is.
We have films where Christians are portrayed as over the top cartoonish villains and they're told that is cool, learn to laugh at yourself, don't be so uptight, lol Christians thinking movie is real. So why is it different for atheists? Why is there such a huge reaction from them? Why are people angry when a movie comes out and says "God exists."?
@@troywright359 Because you fundies are incapable of making good films. You care more about pushing your bigoted agenda than quality. All propaganda films do this, Christian or not.
When the one pastor said “His ribs are crushed, his lungs are filling with blood”, did anyone else think of the scene from the Fugitive where the paramedic says “How could you tell that just by looking at his face?”
Keep walking, but you won't knock down our wall. Keep walking, but she isn't gonna fall! It's plain to see, your brain is very small, if you think walking! Will be knocking down our wall. (why the hell do I remember that)
+RckerMom87 the old veggietales were terribly animated, but they were still very entertaining and had good morals like how you shouldn't tell lies or spread rumors
Um I'm following Jesus's actual wisdom which is peace and treating people nicely. It's not his nor my fault if assholes ignore his beliefs about peace and not making enemies.
+BTIssac I don't believe in god but your part of the reason people portray atheists as jerks. If you don't believe in a belief then let me tell you that you're only making it worse for the rest of us.
'The movie begins with a debate between a Christian university student and his atheist philosophy teacher.' Trust me, as someone who's studied theology for years now, its overwhelmingly more often the reverse. Also, a philosophy or theology teacher professing any one side of a debate to be completely true, and the other irrevocably false, particularly with regards to religious belief, and then requesting, if not demanding, that his class share his views would be in gross violation of his professional conduct, and could likely see him reprimanded by the dean.
Ugh. This movie annoys me and I'm only 5 minutes into the review. So we have an antagonist who is not only a shitty professor for insulting his religious students, but is also a Straw Atheist and Straw Nihilist who manages to completely mangle both viewpoints! As someone who is both an atheist and draws a lot of her personal philosophy from nihilism, it infuriates me that this movie throws mud at both. For one thing, "God is dead" isn't even explicitly atheistic: Nietzsche says it in the sense that humanity has killed their gods, and must now become them. Thankfully, there are a lot of Christians in the comments who don't agree with this movie's views. :)
J.M. Alexia. You don't know how much you have been doing to you and your not being hurt by a single man or not just a person that is not for your own business but he has to work to get your attention and make your life better for you to know what your heart wants for your heart and your soul will always have you heart to your life your own happiness will always love love your own lives you don't even care if they do not care for them and
J.M. Alexia The quote is from "Thus Spake Zarathustra" which is about a hermit who criticizes Western religion for hating humanity. My interpretation of "God is dead" was that Nietzsche's observation of people rejecting of religion enough to seek truth in other forms (science or philosophy).
You forgot the sadist Muslim father that looks like a hairless Bin Laden, the guy who breaks up with a woman for dying, and the girlfriend who breaks up with the boy for having debates after dating for 6 YEARS
"There's only room in this relationship for two. Which means I don't get a mistress and you don't get to drag a 2,000 year old dead carpenter turned itinerant rabbi into our life." Ha, that's dickish, but kind of amusing.
I watched this in my Theology class. As a devout Catholic, movies like this make us look like we have an out for atheists and other religions. It was disgusting.
Were you ever really a Christian in the first place? A bad movie about Christians being right breaks your faith, but the hundreds of movies that say Christianity is wrong and evil never shook it?
In my experience, trauma does the opposite of making a person an atheist; it makes people more inclined to religion. Why do you think that so many born-again Christians used to be addicted to alcohol or drugs or were otherwise in a seedy lifestyle in the past? When you hit rock bottom, the idea of a loving god is comforting. I myself remained an atheist after something tragic happened to me, but I wished I could believe in God because not believing in an afterlife made me incredibly anxious. In other words, this movie makes no sense.
That can go both ways. There are indeed people that believed but when they hit the bottom the hardest way possible, then stopped believing. This because they then question god and tend to not believe anymore aka becoming an atheist. Or they change gods and turn from christian to jew or even buddhism or whatever. The idea of a god may be comforting to some but it can be clearly not to others, no matter the circumstances and events. BTW, you dont need to believe in a god to believe in an afterlife.
I think what people yearn for is the sense of society they achieve by entering congregations. I'm a spiritual person myself. I believe a higher power can exist, but I don't ascribe anything to this higher power because who am I to define it? You know - I'm alive, I'm breathing, and I'm living my life. Yeah it sucks sometimes, but I'm not dead. The people who 'convert' are probably starved of society, and the closest society they can find that will exist around the world are religious groups. I will never convert because if God did exist, he didn't give a shit about my great grandmother, my mother, or what happened to me. Three women, one family, three separate sexual assaults of different natures. So fuck God, fuck anyone that thinks conversion will somehow make me feel better about the fact I have a daughter who may be number four on the sexual assault list of family members. I don't need church to feel part of society. I've learned from a young age you just have to stand on your own feet and accept that life is cruel sometimes. You get up, heal, and get over it without needing brainwashing.
it's funny how the argument of "dismissing what you don't understand" is brought up twice in this movie when the film makers don't know shit about either side of the argument.
You know, looking back at this movie, I think I found the thing that pisses me off the most. The philosophical belief that God is dead is one of the main tenants of Philosophy, as laid out by Friedrich Nietsche during the Enlightenment period. The actual quote is, "God is dead. God remains dead. And we killed him." It refers to Nietsche's belief that scientific rationality had 'triumphed' over religious revelation. He also uses it to express that belief in God is no longer necessary for evolving society and that a perfectly moral and just system can easily exist without the fear of damnation and holy judgement. It's the fundamental basis for the concept of Nihilism. Nihilism is nothing more and nothing less than the re-evaluation of all human moral values and what it means to find purpose in living. Basically what I'm saying is, "God is dead" is arguably the single most important philosophical concept and quote of all time. Anyone with even a passing interest in Philosophy knows it. So the main character kid should have been prepared for this and been ready, knowing that Nihilism would be extensively covered.
My highly religious family all decided to watch this together, and I skipped out because it just looked like a god awful movie. When they confronted me later, I told them that I thought it just looked terrible, and I almost got my ass kicked by my parents after they accused me of being brainwashed by atheists and upholding the liberal agenda and destroy Christianity. I wish I was making this up. I can't stand these goddamn movies and the people they fuel.
I'm not religious, but I'm also not an advocate of any particular ideology. If anybody presents an opinion or argument, I will respond respectfully to the opinion or argument. A challenge to my position is valid on whatever grounds they think it is valid. Anyone who resorts to attacking personal character shows their own position to be deeply flawed because they refuse to discuss the validity of their opinion or argument. Opinions and arguments are open to scrutiny and discussion. Always. An opinion or argument that is not open to scrutiny or discussion is always a failure because the person presenting it does not take personal responsibility for their own personal beliefs.
@@patrickwalsh8913 Well, i'm an atheist now. Good to know the shitty-ness of this movie is timeless NO MATTER WHAT YOU BELIEVE! or don't believe.........
@@jazzyprince3335 haha! I tried to imagine what Christian me would have thought of this movie, so it's interesting to see where the pursuit of truth will get us. Welcome
Also, theory: maybe, upon hearing from Nietzsche, they took his argument literally and THAT'S what the filmmakers are arguing against. It makes sense given what we know about their intellect.
Ya, it is stupid. Nietzsche was arguing against the end results of religion, not the idea of a God. He was one of those philosophers that considered religion to be like alcohol or a narcotic in general.
@@CraftyVegan While that is true, the movie still never touch on that topic, and might have even proved him right. No one in this movie fights to solve their problems, everyone just waits for God to solve their problems. The worst part is that God does solve all of their problems in the end. Rather than disproving Nietzsche, this movie proves him 100% right.
Aisha's plotline would be a lot more realistic if she was thrown out for being gay in a religious family. But then they'd probably portray it as justifiable.
Being an Athiest, it's hilarious how these people see us. Look, I don't believe in God because God didn't do shit for me. There is no real proof of God, that's why I don't believe in him. However, I respect those who do. All I ask of them is that they respect me too, and this movie made me loose some respect I had for conservatives. Look, I don't mind if you believe in God, or Alah, or even Aliens. You just gotta respect my decisions and my opinions and who I am, then I will do the same for you.
Why the hell didnt the two reverends send the professor to the hospital? All they did was say something like" so you are about to die, do you believe in God now?" And when he dies the black guy is all like, "today is a gud day, for a man has bin saved" yeah, he looks pretty alive....
If the closet-Christian girl really wanted to hide what she was doing surely she would change the name and picture on what she was listening to something else? Come on, it's not that hard!
Brad, Thank you SO much. I am the extra you mentioned that didn't stand up. I was hoping someone like you would point me out. It made my day. Fun fact, they wanted a few extras to not stand up, and as I am rather fat, and was crammed into the desk chair, I couldn't gracefully stand up on camera, thus I opted to remain sitting. This movie is hot garbage, but your review is gold.
+Ethan Killett Just out of curiosity, how did you end up being an extra in this movie? Did you receive any kind of payment for it? And how many extras, after filming the scene was done, asked Kevin Sorbo for a photo or an autograph?
