GODZILLA VS. KONG (2021) MOVIE REACTION - WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS - FIRST TIME WATCHING - REVIEW 

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Fun fact: When Mechagodzilla is getting charged by the hollow earth energy, you can faintly hear Ghidorah's screech, wich implies that the energy somehow gave Ghidorah new life in Mechagodzilla's body

51:39 They used alcohol to short out Mechagodzilla. Mechagodzilla is controlled by the brain of Ghidorah. And who was Ghidorah originally based of on? Yamata no Orochi, the eight-headed dragon in Japanese mythology who was defeated by getting it drunk on wine! Kinda an obscure reference but it comes full circle quite nicely.

I don't understand how people don't understand just how powerful that Godzilla breath was, It Blasted a Hole to the Center of the Earth, cutting through Half the Planet.

I love how when Godzilla was fighting Kong, the beam was concentrated, showing that he was still good. But when he was fighting mechagodzilla, and he used his beam to charge the axe, the beam looked like it did in the original Godzilla. Similar to blue fire, showing that at this point he’s exhausted

Fun facts: There was a 5 hour cut of this movie, but most of it was discarded, which probably feels strange at some points. The novel explains it a lot better, giving the characters more background and general info. For example, the pilot of MechaGodzilla, Ren Serizawa, is Doctor Serizawa’s son who wanted revenge against Godzilla because he felt his father loved Godzilla more than him. Godzilla struggled a lot against MechaGodzilla because he had spent at least half of his energy, and his fight with Kong lasted 8 hours. The director stated that the fight would be closer if Godzilla was fresh.

Godzilla: KotM explained why he needs to assert being an alpha. Without him the titans go wild and would destroy the entire human race.

The axe that kong recieved the blade is actually one of the spine pieces of the species of Godzilla

When Ghidorah rised and created powerful storms in the sky one of those storms invaded Skull island, making the island unhabbidable for life on the island, wiping out the villagers and the animals that lived in it, So Monarch builded the dome to protect Kong from the storm, they weren't stupidly locking up him for no reason.

My dad before he died of lung cancer, used to watch the old Godzilla movies with me when I was little, his favorite was Godzilla vs Kong the old first one, I wish that he was alive now to see these new movies.

Mechagodzilla is sooo good in this. They way it moves, the strategic usage of rocket boosters to compensate for the lack of mechanical agility... it just works so well. They managed to make this massive robot fluid and quick in a way I didn't expect.

Fun fact: when kong shoves the axe handle in Godzillas mouth, its a reference to the original king Kong versus Godzilla where king kong shoves a tree in Godzillas mouth. Similarly, when they defibrillate kongs heart, its another reference to the original king kong versus Godzilla, where King Kong gets lightning powers for some reason.

They thought they could use Ghodora's power, but all they ended up doing was giving him a new body. And he was PISSED.

I heard the writers of Shrek were also involved here, giving the starting scene of Kong's morning routine.😂❤

i just remembered, this movie came out in 2021 and i went to watch it with my dad (he is old school doesn't know what VFX is) he thought that these animals are actually trained animals who were fighting for the camera...and later he said something that made entire row laugh "hey joel look this is how you and your brother use to fight eh" entire row laughed out crying... 😂

I love how Kong leads the battle away from Jia during the ocean battle, just shows how much he cares ❤

The reason Kong was forced into a containment dome was due to Ghidorah. There was already storm surrounding Skull Island, but thanks to Ghidorah’s manipulation of earths atmosphere it made Skull Island a stormy mess uninhabitable for Kong 😢

The fact that Kong can communicate with sign language is cool

The story was changed completely halfway through filming if not even near the end. The Mech Pilot is Serizawa's son Ren and he had a bigger role, as did Monarch in the initial version that was nearly filmed and completed before major changes were done in the editing booth. A lot of the human story was left on the cutting room floor in scenes that would have stitched what was left together more coherently. There was at the very least twenty minutes of footage cut out of the film we did get. This is the shortest movie in the franchise, and it wasn't 2014 that spooked them but instead KoTM (KoTM did the least box office) which the studio felt underperformed, thus causing them to make a movie that was shorter and big on the action that could get more screenings per day and bring in more dollars.

Something to keep in mind, this whole series was originally only meant to be four films. This was the last movie. So they had to put MechaGodzilla in this one. They have only decided to continue the series, because the movie made a lot of money.

I loved how hyped you got when you realised it was MechaGodzilla. Hearing that he was in this was what made me want to see it but I wish I'd seen it in the cinema instead of at home

(At 48:20) Godzilla did so much damage to Kong's chest, He slowly going into cardiac arrest.

TEAM GODZILLA!!!

Honestly this Channel has the best commentary I've ever encountered. Not just for one but for all movies they've reacted. ❤️❤️❤️

After Minus One, I think we as a community could definitely appreciate a higher quality Human Element behind the story. So even though Minus One has less quantity of Godzilla, he is much More Impactful because of how much you Care about the Human characters in comparison to how the Humans were in this film.

That little girl was such a good actor

‘Kongfrontation’ use to be a ride at Universal Studios Florida

In the Novel it's implied Ghidorah has taken over the body of Ren Serizawa and is now running around in human form. Which is something i'd love to see explored more.

Depth charges are not a system for dealing with Godzilla, they are a common weapon used for the past 100 years against submarines and scuba bombers.

In the original Toho movies there were two Godzilla movies and one Kong movie leading up to Godzilla versus King Kong. In the monster verse films there were two Godzilla movies and one Kong movie that led up to Kong versus Godzilla. There are a lot of elements from the original Toho movies Incorporated in the monster verse films. Kong wrapped up in change Kong versus the giant squid the oxygen destroyer that originally killed the 1954 Godzilla monster zero AKA King Ghidorah. Even the scene where Kong is being carried by the helicopters is a homage to kong being carried by balloons in the original King Kong versus Godzilla film.

They cut a lot out of the original cut of GvK because test crowds complained it was too long and once again they hated the human characters. Godzilla's side of the story and lore about the feud between G and K's species was cut out. Most people don't realize that the pilot of MG was Dr Serizawa's son. He hated Godzilla because his father was all about Godzilla and Monarch. They cut finding the crushed ship that had the guy's brother die in. Mark Russel was little more than a cameo. I hope you start Monarch Legacy of Monsters. It's tone is closer to the 2014 film. It takes place in the 50's and just after the 1st movie. If you haven't reacted to the 1st & 2nd trailer for Godzilla x Kong, I'd love to see that!

23:23 - actually, Godzilla attack the Apex ships and accidently clash with Kong. but people think Godzilla attack Kong.

Kong did the Mel Gibson/Lethal Weapon to his shoulder!! Yaass!!

Love the video. In light of the Mecha reveal Godzilla's actions are perfectly in line with his Monsterverse attitude. We might say "hey he's hurting innocents" but he's not concerned about that. In 2014 He casually walks through & destroys a large bridge loaded with people, Sure he dodges the carrier earlier but not the destroyers behind it, He didn't dodge the ships when he stood up near the bridge. And even if he walked through the bridge because he was getting shot, my man needed to get on the other side of it anyway! And he stood up not near the shoreline but at in the water near ships. He was clearly going to go through the bridge. He either didn't know it was there when standing up or knew & planned to go through anyway. We see via King's flashbacks innocent people died due to him in his fight with the MUTO's. He's not concerned with individual human life. If he cares about us at all it's as a greater whole. There's other examples of him attacking humans in the expanded lore. Pirates & military alike. But to say it's inconsistent for Godzilla to kill when he senses a threat is misguided. As far as his actions towards Kong,. First things first, the G-Man is old, like OLD OLD, 252 MILLION with a M years old matter fact. Kong was born in 1933 in the MonsterVerse. So he's a damn BABY by comparison to Godzilla. Godzilla is so old he remembers the old Titan ruled earth. He remembers the wars between his species & the Kong's. He lived in the time of Dagon (another member of G's race who we saw as a skeleton in 2014) & likely remembers Dagon. To him, Kong is nothing more than a little child. One who's been sheltered on Skull Island & needs to learn the pecking order. Godzilla is the head of the monsters. Hell, G's second movie is literally titled King of The Monsters. It's completely within character that Godzilla would want Kong to obey the chain of command. In that expanded lore i mentioned (which i don't expect y'all to read from, it is fun though) we see that after the events of KoTM Godzilla orders ALL Titans to go back to sleep. And goes on an ass whooping tour against all that disobey. He asserts command over all the Titans. Who are ALL way older than Kong. Literally EVERY Titan seen in KoTM is millions of years old. Behemoth (The giant Mammoth looking Titan) was seen in Godzilla's flashbacks of the old earth millions of years ago in the comics. Kong & even the Skullcrawlers are young as shit by comparison to these older Titans. And all the surviving Old ones now generally obey Godzilla after the death of King Ghidorah. So again, makes total since that Godzilla would force Kong to obey his authority. Now where I do agree is the human side of things. My thoughts have always been that if Millie's character was paired with her dad instead of a random friend it would've been better. Have the Dad lead Monarch & work with his Daughter to figure out what's wrong with Godzilla. We already know his character & he learned to accept Godzilla in the end so it'd make since for him to try investigating things too. I never liked how little he was in this movie. Remove the entire friend character, connect the Dad & daughter & have Brian Tyree Henry's character join them to figure things out. Or cut him out too either way. On the kong side make the daughter of the villain either more commanding & threatening or make her a double agent, make her seem nice & supportive so the audience likes her then bam hit us with the villain reveal. Give Ren Serizawa more screen time he's the damn son of Ken Watanabe's character & we barely get to meet him. Other than those things I liked the humans. As others pointed out the Studio cut like 23 minutes of footage that could've beefed the plot a bit. Wish we got a directors cut or something. Fucking GREAT reaction guys!!! I hope y'all watch the Skull Island animated show & then the Monarch TV show!!!!! Both were fun to me, the Monarch show being GREAT. So hyped for New Empire. I'm sad that only 3 characters return all 3 of which were introduced in this movie. That kind of sucks. But still looking forward the the Skar King & all that he entails.

1:04:23 Another theory is that they were allies and an ancient Godzilla gave one of his dorsal plates to an ancient Kong. That battle axe isn't just to defeat Godzilla, it works against other Titans too.

Love the ending. Jia and Kong are happy with The Hollies playing us out.

The Reason why Mecha looked op was because both Godzilla and Kong were battered after their fight. Both of them could've destroyed Mecha singlehandedly from what the director said if they fought him alone at full strength.

That whole night fight is just insane! The roars at each other is still my favorite part of the film! The sound design as Godzilla rears his head back and the reverb on the roar is so epic as he puts his foot on Kongs chest! Can't wait for The New Empire! 💀🤘🔥

fun fact about the mag lev (magnetic levitation) technology, we use a basic version already to lift up Bullet trains, it's how they move so fast, what we see with the tunnel is if it lifts the object all around. It's very much a possible technology, if energy demanding.

This film was everything I hoped it could be. As a child of the 70's I grew up on so much of this iconography and it's a such a treat to relive that first viewing while watching reaction channels and seeing it with new eyes. Love the true passion for the monsterverse.

King of the Monsters is still my favorite Monsterverse entry so far, wish we could get another installment of the Monsterverse directed by Michael Dougherty. I loved the emphasis in the monster action while still keeping an interesting human story going. G vs K amplifies the action/fights ten-fold (which I love!) *but* the humans in it are so lacking! So much that every time the camera cuts to them it feels like a commercial in the middle of a fighting match. You just want it to get out of the way so you can continue watching the reason you're there lol Binged your Monsterverse reactions and it's been so much fun, hyped for GxK! ✨️

i like ur reactions alot, it feels fun and interesting

Yay! I was introduced to your channel when I was sick, and still staying at the hospital. And now I’m feeling better, I watch your videos every day

Godzilla: "You have no SOUL!" Mecha/Ghidorah: "That is why I have no FEAR!"

The director of the movie confirmed that Godzilla was not going serious against Kong until he stroke him with the axe.

When Kong shoved the axe down his throat it was a callback to King Kong vs Godzilla in 1962 when he does that move with a tree

“Kong bows to no one” that statement alone tells you he never submitted to Zilla

In the words of our Lord and Savior, Serizawa: Let then Fight. This movie had a lot left on the cutting room floor, unfortunately. For example, Ren Serizawa is Dr. Serizawa's son and blames Godzilla for his father's death, which is why he helped build the Mecha in the first place. There was also a cut plotline that had the Mecha have a second ORCA built into it. Also, a little tidbit, the Novelization seemed to imply that Ren was possessed by Ghidorah instead of being killed. EDIT: So Depth Charges are a weapon commonly deployed against Submarines. The Shockwave alone is enough to damage a submarine's hull. The logic with using them against Godzilla was that they would probably cause enough disruption to Godzilla's senses to confuse him and make him let Kong go.

The fact that kong got godzilla crawling proves how much a formidable opponent he is

I love your dead pan delivery of Nathan's story. Laughed about that for awhile

Godzilla is the true king hands down

(At 21:20) They're fighting on top of an ocean carrier?! How are they not sinking it with their weight?

Hey guys! Just wanted to say I really love your content! I appreciate your perspectives and conversations, it has been a pleasure to see your reactions to some of my favorite movies over the last several months. Oh! Love your lighting setup and the background setting and everything! Looking forward to seeing more great reactions! Thanks for what you do!

Saw this movie in theaters with my grandfather, he’s a HUGE Godzilla fan and he got me into this! This movie was absolutely incredible. I became a fan after King of the Monsters!!! ❤

"what's a king to a God" "what's a God to a Non-Believer"

"Did your boy just surrender" 😂😂😂

These films are a secret pleasure. I have digital versions on my tablet, so I can rewatch them anywhere. The sound design in these is so EPIC. Always love to watch a film with you guys. keep up the grade - A content. CHEERS!

Fun fact: the book actually tells a bit more than what the movie gives you, especially on what happens to Mecca Godzilla's head and what really happened to Ren Serizawa. 7:07 fun fact #2: there was a mini comic about the scene of one of the jet pilots being a citizen of San Francisco that was saved by Godzilla and has second thoughts about attacking him, while everyone else was against him and ended up dead, but he was the only survivor 13:13 thanks to King Kong versus Godzilla. This rivalry has been going on for years. And thanks to this movie they gave the lore more depth. You should see the prequel graphic novels for this: "Godzilla Dominion" and "Kingdom Kong"... but I also go with the other graphic novels read them before and or after the movies so that way they'll make more sense Note: keep in mind of the character known as Ren Serizawa 28:55 note: if if you've ever read, Jules Vern, books, the journey to the mysterious island and journey to the center of the Earth. You'll know that the monsterverse movies have been using that. 30:35 don't ask anybody why but they're called warbats 31:51 fun fact#3: there is a possibility that the dinosaurs still exist in hollow earth, considering there was a triceratops skull in Kong: skull Island. From what we found out from the books it seems that they are form of mega Fauna, to where they are the descendants of the dinosaurs, but much larger 32:29 if you had noticed, it was a carving of a giant hand, pointing towards the other end of Hollow worth 35:35 the red handprint doesn't just indicate that Kongs were there, but in the new movie that's coming out, it'll have more significance 40:14 the ax is definitely made from Godzilla's ancestors, or at the very least the the plate blade is 42:00 the pure reference to the original King Kong versus Godzilla when Kong shove the tree down Godzilla's throat 42:50 I wish that this movie became a ride!🤩🤩 46:49 no… Not out of control…Ghidorah is just making his comeback as Mechagodzilla. in case you didn't know or rather didn't hear it there's a Ghidorah skull within Mechagodzilla as well 49:16 another another reference to the TOHO movies, this happened in Godzilla Vs. Mechagodzilla, the very first one.

Only Godzilla movie where you can see the fights clearly

I love that nearly all Alpha Titan's finishing moves are always for the head, I mean, yeah, it's a fore sure kill shot but they all do it in their own cool way

(At 37:39) That's because it IS one of Godzilla's kinds dorsal plates. As the head attached to a femur bone of a MUTO

I love how fun and loose you guys were on this episode, my wife and I love your playful banter! you guys rock!

In short, kong lost both fights. The first environment was in godzillas favor easily, and the 2nd was technically kongs, since it was an urban city where he can use everything as a weapon. And yet godzilla won again. Its because Kong is still technically "young" and never fought another alpha predator that acutally knows how to fight back. Sure the skullcrawlers were a huge problem, but their nothing compared to godzilla whos been alive since time immemorial.

the axe Kong has is made of one of Gojira species' spikes, i.e, it belongs to Godzilla's Kin. It was ripped from the back of one of the Gojira by the Kong's species during the Great Titan war, in which all of Gojira species got extince expect Godzilla. It is said that the Ghidorah came from Venus, which made the Earth's titan unite against him, and then Shimo, the first titan and others fought with him and froze him in Antarctica, but after events unfold which caused the ice age on earth. And, since Gojira species were protectors of Nature, they fought against Shimo, and in this fight maybe Kong species joined him, and banished Shimo to Hollow Earth. But, Kong species has already seen the power of Godzilla spikes, then, something caused war between Gojira and Kong and his species killed Gojira and used their spikes as weapon against them. This is called the Great Titan war, which limited the number of Kong species, and wiped out Gojira

The problem my friend said to me after we watched this movie the first time was that Kong had a character, but Godzilla was a plot device. Godzilla became this one-dimensional thing that ran around fighting and looking cool when we had two movies where it was clear he had motivations, intentions and a personality. He is stoic, sure, but he has feelings and thoughts much as Kong does. But for the sake of the movie to happen the filmmaker, Wingard, and the soundtrack decide to try and force this 'evil' theme onto Godzilla when we all know, the audience knows, you all saw it too, that's BS and contradicts his whole character. Thus it makes any action taken by Godzilla viewed as bad by the people to seem redundant because we the audience know he's acting out of character because of something in-universe. As well, the human characters were tonally all over the place. I am one of those people who will genuinely debate someone in good faith that KOTM had good monster action and more than fine/competent human drama and acting. People act like GvK was a step up but it's blinders from the fighting which is more held on (though less weighted in my opinion) than movies before. MBB, or Madison had any character stripped from her. Bernie was a very unnecessary character, Josh, her friend, literally had no reason to exist in the movie as we got it. Mark Russel was WHOLLY wasted. Literally a cut-away caricature of his character from the last movie. Kong's team had the most depth, but even that was surface level. In fact Jia was the most personable of them all and it's because she has a more personal relationship to Kong. I am still looking forward to GxK, and I do hope WIngard...learned from his past mistakes. But, I just don't hold him in high regard. He did make the 2016 Blair Witch and live action Death Note so...yeah. Lol. GvK is the least liked of all the Monsterverse for me. I STILL really do enjoy the movie, but I will watch KOTM any time, GvK when the occasion calls for it. Sorry for the long ramble. :p

I do love the monsterverse, its impossible not to smile. Love the original Godzilla. The stamina required to spend the day in that suit....Please look up Owl Kitty Godzilla. Pure joy....

Kong has stormbreaker....he is worthy!!!!🪓🦍💪👏🙌🙏👍🎉

Just to let u know the Axe is made out of the Scales of a previous Godzilla, the ones that light up on Godzilla's back. The fighting scenes are what happened in the ORIGINAL Kong vs. Godzilla back when I was small the only thing is that within that ORIGINAL Kong Whips Godzilla's Behind which they changed for this movie. Like him sticking the tree in his mouth and them transporting Kong over the ocean and them fighting on the ocean.

That axe is a Godzilla spine, with a Godzilla bone for the handle.

"What is a King to a God?" "What is a God...to a non-believer?"

A Ape with Martials art vs A LIZARD DINO WITH ATOMIC BREATH You know theres only one winner , GODZILLA 😂❤. Loved your guys reaction

When Kong was being airlifted by those choppers, and that part where he shoves something into Godzilla's mouth, I think those were references to the original movie by Toho. There, Kong was airlifted using large balloons, but there were helicopters, too. Also, there was a scene in that movie where Kong shoves a whole tree into Godzilla's mouth to keep him from firing his atomic blast.

If you notice in the final fight mechagodzilla was only focus on killing godzilla as revenge for what he did to him in KOTM and didn't really mind kong until he continued to intervene up until MECHAGODZILLA got fed up with him so only then he attempted to kill kong first then finish of godzilla.

Also the movie takes elements from King Kong escapes where he has to face a metal kong in the Arctic. Then they also took inspiration from metal King Ghidorah storyline but used Mecha Godzilla in its place.

2 fun facts. first one: in the 1st part of the hong kong battle, godzilla wasnt really trying against kong he was just toying with him untill kong slammed the axe on his face then he got pissed and actually went full force on kong 2nd one: Mechagodzilla isnt stronger than godzilla, godzilla was just exhausted from fighting kong and was too tired to fight against mechagodzilla, if godzilla and kong didnt fight, the battle between godzilla and mechagodzilla would've been way different.

It is funny that so many people are eager to defend Godzilla, considering he was originally a villain in the original. I mean, I did it too, so I'm not judging. It's just really interesting to see the different approaches.

12:55 "Kong bows to no one" But he will. They all do.

Its sad how king Kong lost both of his parents in a battle and in Kong skull island he was a teenager and had to survive all alone and imagine how scared he was when his parents died and was all alone to survive on his own 😢

Team Kong ❤️

45:13..... Godzilla- "Bow down....to the KING OF MONSTERS!!!!!" Kong- "I BOW DOWN TO NO ONE!!!!"

Kingkong feam🎉🎉

"Yeah! Fight back! Don't submit!" Except that roar from Kong was basically him submitting. Angrily accepting defeat.

ALWAYS GODZILLA!!!!

"Something to get rid of Godzilla just built it in space"-- ... SpaceGodzilla?? lol

The insane thing is the fight between kong and godzilla in Hong Kong was only close because godzilla spent so much energy drilling to hollow earth

Y’all dropping hits after hits. Makes every drop so exciting to see. Here’s hoping y’all take a look at the Reddick trilogy at some point keep up all the hard work y’all 🫶🏽

45:45 - Not quite really, it was stated by the director that Godzilla had been holding back for the majority of his fight with Kong in the city since only wanted Kong to submit and didn't view Kong as his enemy, but after Kong hit him in the head Godzilla lost his patience and went all out against Kong which as was seen overpowered him very quickly and easily, showing just how outmatched Kong really was. For that matter, it should be noted Godzilla and Kong struggled so much against MechaGodzilla because they were both tired and worn out from their battle and it was even said that Godzilla would have been able to defeat MechaGodzilla on his own had he been at full strength..

When I learned to sign, did it for my job, I would get signs wrong and the deaf community would laugh at me. Then they always took the time to correct me. They appreciated the effort to learn to speak with them.

I got excited when I saw Ari's face light up as he realized Mechagodzilla was going to appear. I honestly love these movies far more than I do the comic book superheroes. The humans were the worst part of this movie for me. We all just want to see the fights,right?

I'm still baffled how milli Bobby is actually quite deaf and how she did these movies and especially STRANGER THINGS. Just shows her levels in acting 👏 👏

The 2014 film was so artistic and made you feel like you were there, but lacked a bit of the monster fun. KOTM brought a surplus of monster fighting, but it lacked a bit of the scale and heart from 2014. In this one they do a pretty great job of finding their groove between the emotion and fighting. That shot of Kong beating his chest while holding the mechagodzilla head is alone worth a theater ticket and I found myself cheering. I’m one of the weirdos that still holds the 2014 movie in highest regard but this one is a good time.

so haappy you guys got to watch this one! ill be honest i remember being on the hype train for this movie and after watching it without being spoiled, it was the best movie in the monsterverse, for a time. Cus coming back to this movie i think it couldve been done a lot better to feel like a true culmination of the past godzilla and king kong movies,.

(At 44:33) Kong: that's scaly bastard dislocated my shoulder.

just a little thing here. In the beginning kong threw a tree at the sun for no apparent reason, but there is a reason. Ever since he was a child he would always throw things at the sun hoping to be able to get it, but for obvious reasons he couldn't, and this time when he went to do it again he ended up being inside containment making him realize this isn't normal. This is also the reason he is so good at throwing things.

MechaGodzilla's atomic breath weapon is called the "Proton Scream". There, that's a thing you know now. :)

Here we go again....ari stay calm, denise ive been waiting for thiss....love you guys

You two are misunderstanding Kongs containment the storm that was surrounding the island is moving into the island that's why they had to contain Kong to protect him

I can just imagine Godzilla and Kong on an episode of MTV Cribs 😂

This is the loudest reaction from you guys yet! The final battle was epic!

At 52yrs young, I've been a kaiju fan for over 40yrs. It didn't matter to me whether it was Japanese made or American made. Unlike most of my friends, it didn't matter how old the film was. Going back to the 1920s, giant mutated humans, mutated insects, monsters and robots, if a giant was involved, I was into it. Please forgive me for not recalling the decade. But in the 1st K v Z, Kong won. Which, as you can imagine, sparked a whole lotta controversy. Z fans gave several legit reasons as to how that outcome would be impossible. K fans pushed back with several legit reasons as to how it is possible. Both sides laid down some very well thought out logical arguments. On any ideological battlefield, it is a rarity that a debate of this ilk becomes an impassable stalemate. Because both sides are actually correct.