Hey LSV I just wanted to say thanks for sponsoring the team draft league. It’s has been really exciting to participate in it for the last week + the preseason drafts and my team, Comet to Memeory, is doing really well at the moment.
Sandy almost won that first game even after losing forth and solitude!😂 Sandy is the Boros GOAT!! Mana crypt and sol ring too are likely the best 2 cards in the cube for sandy, lotus prob next, since the blue stuff has to be splashed 🤣
So fun to watch, but this video is a great exhibit of how the difficulty of getting the Doomsday deck together and also effectively piloting it fails the cost-benefit analysis of the other powerful things to do in cube.
But the cost-fun is still there! Also with a little power this would go way up in ease. Having the ancestral or lotus or mox means the opponents don't have it, too. You can't lose to their Ancestral if you have it 😅
8:34 I'm gonna be honest, there was a solid 5 seconds where I thought that he was about to take the Mystical Tutor and try to wheel the Doomsday, despite the title
@@marcozarantonello2180 For 3 cards in his library (after the Preordain, didn't get the time stamp exactly right) he needs 3 Devotion to win the game. Use Island, Shelldock, Petal and ESG to cast Jace, Vryn's Prodigy and Thassa's Oracle, which will yield that.
At 50:00, is there a reason not to cast the Jace? It plays around anything that makes you mill out thanks to the static ability, and I can’t think of any creatures that matter in this spot for subtlety.
@@LogicalKipthassa’s is based on devotion to blue being >= cards left in deck. Subtlety hasn’t evoked (died) yet so is still on the field. Cast thassa and you have 2 (subtlety) plus 2 (thassa) = 4 devotion with 4 cards left in the deck, equals GG
This was super fun and really interesting hearing you work out though situations. Also the deck operated really well i.e. one turn/ counter off winning in a couple games. Which is so much better than a blowout. Wish you'd have won since that's what you're trying to do but from a viewer perspective this was excellent.
Having your opponent top deck Ancestral Recall and pointing it straight at LSV's head immediately after using Doom's Day is pretty real top decking Gut Shot to finish off your opponent luck.
Is deretti (the 3 mana rakdos planeswalker) not in the cube anymore? If so, why not? I thought of this when you saw grist, as I always think of them as so similar, tho i actually prefer the deretti, as u can chuck an artifact, and killing artifacts is often more impactful than planeswalkers. Deretti also is -1 to kill instead of -2 on grist, and the ultimate on deretti is much better. Grist only is better if u can search it &/or recur it as a creature. Also, grist has the minor advantage of the rare double creature (I’ve never seen it), as well as being able to attack with the 1/1s. The main reason I’m comparing the two, is like I said I think they are very similar power wise, yet I feel like I see LSV takes grist considerably higher, and I don’t really get that if it’s true.
Having a creature is way easier than an artifact in most decks especially the turn you play it if you need to kill something that turn. Being green means you can turn 2 it off an elf way easier. Plus you can green sun's zenith for it or recur it with unearth or something else like that. Plus it mills you when you +1 putting more cards into circulation. Its just mostly better in every way
@@cyruslyday9112 I agree with most of what you said, however you do have to admit that if you had the choice when drafting it to change the text of “planeswalker” to “artifact” you would, because that part is much better. Killing an early Mox, sol ring, retrofitter, etc. I do also agree the green does kind of make it come out turn 2 more often. I disagree about the creature vs artifact being easier. I think they are pretty close, with creature being slightly easier thing to have out, but almost every time you sac a creature the turn you play it, it’s a non-token creature taking up a card. With the times you have an artifact ready same turn you cast deretti it’s more often incidental stuff like food, treasures, and maps, so that can be really valuable.
Daretti’s -1 ability got me the first time after I was used to playing Grist. The subtle difference between “when” and “if” makes it so that with Grist, you click the sacrifice first, and with Daretti you click the target first. Killed my own thing by accident! 😂
48:46 Unless I am missing something, I think you had a winning line here of X, X, Swamp, Troll, Preordain From there crack peatland, draw preordain. Cast preordain, draw troll. Exile ESG, cycle troll for swamp. Random two cards left, cast Thoracle and win.
1:12:20 Fill your deck with Star, Petal, Oracle, Preordain, and Peatland, then cast Trinket Mage to grab the Star. He has to kill two of your blockers and even though your four cards are shuffled, there's no order of draws you have that he can kill you with unless he has two counterspells OR two kill spells.
At 50:00, I'm trying to figure out why he didn't forgo casting Preordain and instead just put Subtlety into play followed by Thassa's Oracle. That's 4 blue mana symbols with 4 cards in the deck. What am I missing?
Not enough blue to do that. But there is a win of Doomsday to put a basic island on top, draw with Library, play the island, and then cast Subtlety and Oracle. 4 cards, 4 devotion.
@@PimpTheMonkey Sac petal and exile Elvish Spirit Guide. Pay BG for Jace, Vryn's Prodigy. Tap Island and Shelldock Isle for Thassa's Oracle. 3 cards, 3 devotion. Is it wrong?
@@sadfsdafsdfasdfasdfs There's also a line with the pile being Animate Dead, Lotus Petal, Land, Instant, Creature. Cast Preordain to draw Animate Dead. Play and sac Peatland to draw Petal. Animate opponent's Atraxa to put the 3 remaining cards into the hand, and then cast Oracle with devotion=3.
Jeweled amulet? This cube list is begging for the “Mox Monkey”, Gorilla Shaman. It’s pretty decent in such artifact-heavy cubes, and power-punishers are just fun.
Great draft I wonder if just playing the oracle as a body turn two of r1 game 2 against sandydog looking to reanimate his evangelist may have kept you alive longer with Jace still as a doomsday out you can play towards
Just started watching and am wondering if combo/control needs something more. Either another type of combo or something. Aggro/ mid range seem the strongest imo. Honestly initiative and monarch seem like bad designs since you HAVE to play creatures otherwise your opponent gets unstoppable value. Seems forcing.
Maybe there needs to be more board wipes and cards that allow for that archatype. Like 10 years ago I used to cube a lot and do well playing creature less planeswalker control with 2 or 3 sweepers, plus various removal, counters, card draw. Nowadays creatures all come into play giving clues, and nonstop extras, so maybe creatures are just unstoppable these days, unless you have faster combo. I guess I’m saying whatever happened to pure control decks? 😂🤷♂️ What I noticed from watching LSV attempt making oath of druids work is that going for a creature-less deck (or one with 2 fatties) is like drafting a lurrus companion deck, only the restriction is giving up on a huge number of top picks like bowmasters, ragavan, initiative creatures, fury/solitude, etc. it’s just far too big of a restriction.
The game also kinda forces you to play lands too. It's only super strong vs. hard control matchups where they don't have many creatures. Combo, aggro and midrange all fight into it pretty well.
Wasn't there a win with Thoracle round 3 game 1? Doomsday resolved, Oracle on top. Draw with Jace, play Oracle, can't be countered by Force of Negation. 5 devotion, 4 cards in deck, win.
Only works if you know they have exactly Force of Negation and also chose not to counter Doomsday, but that would have worked. I probably wouldn’t have put the opponent on that considering they were just dead to casting Thoracle from hand the way they played it.
@@michaeldegrave5905 True. As LSV did say, there was no doomsday pile that would win through a counter, and it could just as easily have been Force of Will instead.
the fact that sensei's top was lower in pick order for so long just means the format itself wasn't as busted as it is now. vintage cube has finally caught up to the bustedness of top, which has long been banned in legacy for good reason
The most busted thing that Top did in legacy was make miracles players ruin every paper tournament by taking forever-there was a literal miracles bracket at X-X-2+ But for cube, we all good
You really should stay away from that site. R*dditors are the dumbest people online who don't know they're dumb. Even the boomers on Facebook at least understand the other boomers on Facebook are dumb.
Wondering if there is some thought to intentionally *not* taking Jace P1P2 if you’re trying to doomsday. You draft with a bunch of top players and for them Jace disappearing on the first lap has to be an abundantly clear sign that someone is going for Doomsday. I feel like it opens up your risk to being cut and that the Jace will pretty much always lap anyway. Not that there was anything amazing in the pack anyway, but grabbing something a little higher up the pick order might be less of a tell.
How is Jace disappearing to “them”?. Only one person knows the card was even opened and that person has zero idea LSV took it when it gets back to him. So this is actually the perfect spot to take it for the opposite reason, as it’s totally impossible for anyone else at the table to know LSV got it. Only ONE other person even knows it was opened🤷♂️🤷♂️
Also wondering if Mishra’s Research desk could have been taken; putting it on top with Doomsday is a win with 4 mana and Thoracle (though you didn’t have the Thoracle yet).
