NOTICE TO VIEWERS Just to follow up on something that a few people have pointed out. There was a slight misuse of the term "Hydroplaning" in this video. So the specific correct term that I should have used to describe what happened is called "Reverted Rubber Hydroplaning". My apologies.
You're not expected to say the full phrase every time you refer to the phenomenon -- hydroplaning is a perfectly acceptable abbreviation lol. No apology needed 😄
When I heard that the spoilers did not deploy my first instinct was to execute a go around. When I heard the non-emergency brakes were inefficient, I thought "now go around for sure".
According to Mayday's coverage of the incident, the pilots were unaware the emergency brake had no antilock system and believed the brake would stop the plane. By the time it became apparent that it wouldn't, they were committed and couldn't go around, not least of which because the wheels were shredded by the aquaplaning.
@BB-xx3dv I was recently surprised to learn that I think unlike cars possibly, emergency brakes on planes are not super strong as opposed to the regular brakes.
That’s a real accident. Not neglect or ignorance, just a perfect storm of crappy issues coming together. I’m glad that the airport took the recommendations seriously and made great improvements! ❤
As a regional pilot based at the west coast of Norway, I have flown to Stord Airport many times. It's a challenge when it's windy. This accident was so tragic and shaked up the local community. The fire crew responded very fast when they saw the aircraft exit the runway end. Because of the terrain, they couldn't maneuver thedouse fire truck close to the burning aircraft, but they managed to the fuselage with foam for a few minutes, giving the occupants a little more time to escape. The jet blast from engine number 2 made it hard for the cabin attendant to open the left aft door. Thankfully, most of the occupants managed to get out alive.
this subject matter is one of the easiest to research and produce content for a lot of the visuals in this video are random stock or microsoft flight sim. this video isnt bad but i would suggest you walk back that positive review a bit
Proud that when there's "finally" an incident from Norway (where I live, though I am Swedish) it wasn't something that the pilots did explicitly wrong, and that the airport implemented the changes almost directly. Another amazing episode, Chloe! Your videos are just getting better and better each time! If you ever come back to an incident in either Norway, Sweden or Denmark and need someone to help you translate the language I can help since I speak all three languages fluidly. Keep doing what you're doing, because you're amazing at it!
@@davidhardister8710 That could be a very risky thing to attempt. The air brake is deployed, flaps are at full, the engines are at flight idle, and the far end of the runway is approaching fast.
Hot tyres generating steam, or locked brakes isn't aquaplaning. It's when a layer of water pushes between the tyres and the ground which prevents contact with the surface. Like skimming a flat stone across a pond. If you drive your car too fast across a big puddle, this will happen to you without ever touching the brakes and with completely ambient temperature tyres.
In a car the anti skit or ABS makes the car stop faster in scenarios where the wheels would lock up, does this mean if the captain didnt apply the emergency brakes they might have stopped in time?
Aqua planning does indeed form a layer of hot steam between the water and the wheel depending on the tyre pressure. We are taught this in pilot training. Look up ''Reverted rubber aquaplaning'' it's very interesting :D
@@wahngott4711 ABS won’t work if you hit a body of water fast enough, same as it doesn’t work on ice.. In some stages of formula off road they drive/aqua plane across lakes
While this surely was a tragic incident, it's actually rather impressive that Atlantsflog doesn't have a lot of fatal accidents on record (I can only think of this one and a helicopter crash) considering under what conditions (fog, frequent storms, a main base that is literally just mountains in the sea) they generally operate.
I think there was another similar accident for the airline a few years earlier occuring at Vagar airport in the Faroe Islands. After landing, the pilots realized they did not have enough distance to stop, so they deliberately ran the aircraft off the runway onto a special run-off area with gravel, specially made for that purpose (similiar to what you sometimes can see at the bottom of hills for trucks to drive onto if their brakes fail). In that accident, I think no one was hurt, and the aircraft in question returned to service.
Thank you for the extra video this week! Very well done, as usual. Also, for reference, as a viewer to give some perspective on how I come to watch your videos: Whenever this channel pops up in my feed I click right away. This usually leads me to either watching a follow-up recommended video if I missed a recent upload, or I quickly check the channel page to verify I'm up-to-date. Basically, if you can find the best way to get the video into our feeds, the content is high quality enough to be self-promoting. That being said- an upload that goes out in the morning in North America would have the breakfast crowd covered, while also being published around the time Europe is ending their workdays and settling in to relax. Best of luck
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@@mrwannabe00 They made a community post explaining the reason for the Tuesday upload. They are moving so they got this video out for today and still have a video ready for this upcoming Saturday.
Thank you so much for the extra video. They are so well done, informative and I look forward to them. Personally, I'm happy with any schedule you feel comfortable with. 🙂
my old man used to work for an airline based at this airport. i remember him talking about this incident. i've also had the privilege of working at sørstokken for a few months. a lot of nice people work there!
Thank you so much for making this. I tried to watch another channel about this accident and it was so complicated and poorly made I couldn't grasp the situation. I love how you take the time to explain in layperson's terms and provide diagrams and animation etc . You are definitely one of the best channels regarding these situations. Thank you so much ❤
I flew into and out of this airport in 1984. It was likely a BAe-146 as well, since I remember it was a small jet with 4 engines. The only thing I remember was getting on the plane in Copenhagen and when the "No Smoking" light went off, nearly everyone in the plane lit up cigarettes and started drinking in earnest. The Duty Free cart came by and the passengers were all buying liquor and cartons of cigarettes. It was like a "flash mob" party on a short flight. Stavanger is a gorgeous city.
Here in California Firefighters use this Aircraft to help fight Wildfires I usually see it on TV and a smile comes to my face watching it move. I love my Aviation. Great video. Such a Tragedy from a Beautiful aircraft.
How fascinating!! Not only had I never heard of this accident, I’ve never even heard of this plane!!! Thank you so much for making this!!!! I wonder why the pilots didn’t go around? Anyone know?
I'm not sure but I think because they were already on the ground and they'd committed to landing not knowing WHY the plane wasn't slowing or that spoilers had not deployed. Probably by the time they could have taken back off there would not have been enough runway nor engine power to take off. I'd rather be on the ground in a busted plane than up in the air as that would give a greater chance of surviving. That's just my opinion as I'm not an expert and everything I know about flying and crashes are from great channels like this. Hope that help or someone with more expertise can give you a better or correct answer in can my opinion is wrong .
@@notme2day No, you did a pretty good job :-) I'll add that, each way they selected to slow down (effectively) failed, and it took a crucial few seconds - each time - for them to have enough feedback to realize that they weren't slowing enough. On a very short runway like that, the cumulative effect was that by the time they even got to the point of thinking of going around, it was too late. Does anyone know what the official report concluded?
just wanted to let you know I really enjoy your videos. you do a great job without being excessively wrong. many of these accident recreations are way too long and cover too much information. I think youre doing a great job on these
great vid, thanks as usual. the last thing you might want to think of as a passengers is your plane hydroplaning on the runway like a wild truck after landing. poor pilots had no way of knowing the runway not being grooved will make a regular landing into a nightmare.
I've always liked the BAE 146 they're such a nice looking aircraft, they were very common to see in Australia, a couple of smaller operators still use them for passenger and freight, I think there are around 16 of them still in service in Australia.
I flew many times on BAE 146s. PSA and AirCal used them, as did American and United after mergers with smaller airlines. It's a nice little plane. Ideal for smaller airports with shorter runways, very maneuverable. I flew on them up and down California often in the 1980s.
I haven't been through all the earlier comments but, to me, one of the key factors in this incident is that the pilots chose to land downwind rather than upwind. Whether landing the other way would have mitigated or overcome the braking issues is impossible to assess, but I for one would never choose to land downwind just as a matter of convenience - as seems to have been the case here - especially given all the operational limitations of the airport.
My first thought. Giving up safety margin isn’t the best idea, wind can increase or something could go wrong like in this case. Giving up safety margins has caused many accidents. Maybe the pilots got used too much to harsh conditions at their home base Vagar and got over confident.
Having a single speed break vs 4 separate thrust reversers has the advantage of less maintenance requirement, less prone to failures. It is also cheaper. Accident didn't happen because of that anyway. Speed break deployed, but not spoilers. When spoilers were not deployed, aircraft may actually be flying a few centimeters above the runway while even landed.
@Schooey - I flew once, betwen Bruxels to Berlin (and the returne) - but I didn’t notice this particular feature. I found such a nice plane. I also didn’t know what you said about the A380. Interesting ! I always found strange the reverses only in the inside engines.
My brain keeps making a connection between this and TAM Airlines Flight 3054, though there are many differences between the two disasters. The biggest similarity my brain sees is that both aircraft crashed shortly after touchdown, with another that both aircraft couldn't stop in time. However, there are huge differences. Most of the occupants of this flight survived, while everyone on board the TAM flight as well as a dozen who were on the ground at the warehouse, are sadly no longer with us. Plus, both aircraft landed on runways that weren't in the best shape, although the armchair airport ground worker in me can't be convinced that a repaved, ungrooved, rainy runway truly counts as a contaminated one (I hope I might be wrong though). Terrifying all around.
I remebember this one. I was working with Kaverner at the time, and believe me, it was a very subdued group who gathered when they heard the news. People died. I don't think that anyone I worked with ever met any of those who died in this accident, but they were still family. And there were people who went off to work and never came home.
I wonder if either the pilot or co-pilot to try to abandon the landing and try to fly up for another go as they surely weren't running low on fuel. Or maybe not enough time nor room to get back up to speed.
by the time they deployed the spoilers, they were committed to landing and by the time they realized the spoilers hadn't gone up and started breaking there was not enough runway left to take off again
Well pilot had similar idea of turning the plane to slow down more, but i would have just gone full ham and turn hard right with rudder and stick trying to relatively gently hit the ground with left wing, hopefully having slowed enough not to break the wing off and optimally due wet runway get it into sideways drift of sorts witch increases the surface area of the tire slightly and due the shape kinda stops the hydro planing or least makes it less of a issue. Done similar thing with car several times to gain the traction on the front and saved the day in couple emergencies. Not sure how well it would have worked with freaking airplane, but in theory if speed was slowish and airframe study enough wing tip would act as additional contact point and least prevented plane from sliding down from the ledge. Someone with proper flight controls in the simulator please do try this and comment if it worked or not.
I averted a car accident with what you've suggested. A plane is a whole different beast. Do that and you've shot your wad--if it didn't work, you'd have absolutely no control, no second chance. You can't regain control from a skid in an airplane like you sometimes can in a car. Safe piloting is about maintaining control of the aircraft. With a plane you've got a third vertical dimension involved. Plane doesn't have the ground stability of a car; its center of gravity is up in the air. Plus, you're dealing with the lift factor of the wings, how the air would catch them as you skid. What you're suggesting could easily flip the plane over, especially given the lack of traction of the wheels. In fact, if you watch enough air disaster videos, you'll see a couple where a plane skidded and did exactly that: flipped right over. Even SUVs and vans, whose centers of gravity are not nearly high as a plane and don't have the lift factor, get flipped pretty easily.
Hello Perso Oisels, I agree with you 'two-&-half-out-of-five'...I n the sense that...the wind velocity fluctuation range relative to the a/c may not be a f(x) of whether the wind is on the nose or tail (!?)
Does the BAE/Avro have a "good safety record"? Sure if you're breaking it down individually with the BAE, into every variant and then re-classed as the Avro RJ....in every variant....and counting them all as different aircraft.
Any ideas what crash the Saturday video is on. They makes it sound recent so I’m thinking one of the 737 max crashes but am not sure Edit: changed he to they
Yeah, mh 370 was one I was thinking they might do because it’s considered the greatest aviation mystery and they still haven’t made a video on it I don’t think it will be the China eastern flight, as said it’s way too soon to know what really happened
I worked at BA with a fleet of 5 of these, absolutely brilliant aircraft….our chief engineer once said to me, if you’re going to crash this is the best plane to do it in as in his words, ….they are built like Brick sh-thouses!……ps we were all very fond of one in particular…..G-MIMA known as Gemima to us all…..
hydroplaning is when traction between the tires & ground is lost because of a layer of water, not when hot tires cause water on the ground to evaporate 😅
Did the rear flaps at the tail end accidentally engage as "hinted" due to its proximity, and somehow overrode any data to start the spoilers. Since everything burned, the FDR should have had some data left intact.
That’s rather a fascinating video for me, as I few in jump seat of one of these BAE 146. aircraft. I was a PPL holder, until physical detereiation in my health woul (well in fact has) meant that I no longer can obtain medical fitness to fly.. on this occasion the pilot was instructed to land - as is usual on the duty runway at Brisbane. He.declined the tower in struction and given that the runway way was nearly two miles long, and the tailwind was least than 8 KIAS, WAS given clearance. This being a cargo aircraft & landing in the early hours of the morning , there was no other air traffic at that time. What I didn’t know about this aircraft was the rear mounted air brake. The aeroplane landed smoothly and even took the first exit, albeit a little faster than a passenger jet might have.From my seat, I couldn’t see the engines & therefore did not ask why there was no observable reverse thrust. I was more.interested In whether given the high wing configurationasked whether they could perform a’side-slip approach & landing - apparently they weren’t interested in this subject as it wasn’t something ATLP pilots normally practised.😊
Just a hypothetical question from someone that knows little about these things; Instead of trying to swerve the aircraft, could the landing gear have been lifted to create more drag?
That idea is crazy enough to actually just work! But not sure the wheels would be able to lift with all the associated weight and pressure. The end of this airport landing strip could use that special foam concrete I've been hearing about.
I'd like to point out that a 1400 meter runway is barbarically short for this type of airliner. I live next to a small, local airport of 5000 ft (1500m) and I never seen anything larger than a 15-20 passenger private use it in the 25 years I lived next to it. To land a plane of that size, on an island, and not even be bothered by a tailwind is borderline depraved negligence... There's nothing sensible about anything that transpired here.
Actually, in 2006, the runaway at Vágar Airport, the home hub of Atlantic Airways/Atlantsflog was only 1,250 m. It was lengthened to the current 1,800 m only in 2011.
Possibly a little more "just in case" thinking could have prevented this disaster. Instead, just to save a little time, the choice was made to land downwind. Seemed so reasonable at the time, who would fault the pilot? But you never know when some unreasonable factor is going to interfere with your expectations. Not that the pilots did anything different than drivers do every day on the road. I'm more scared out on the highway than I ever am in an airplane, and all the airplane disaster videos in the world won't change that!
Great as always. Also nice your doing your bit for climate change and reducing carbon footprints. I bet im not the only one who thinks..fly? na mate..ill get a ferry/train. Lol