Goku VS Saitama | Has Everything Changed? 

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Goku mops the floor with Saitama

A full video just to say nothing changed, poggers.

Gega chad

Seth reply or I’ll haunt u in ur sleep I would not risk it

Not even boundless beings can bring back ya dad so what can goku and saitama do

Not even speed can surpass their dad's leaving them

Not even The Flash could bring their fathers back using the Speed Force

@@agilraj1145 Goku can just ask super shenron, and he isn't boundless

I never said goku was boundless plus not even super shenron has the power to wish you dad who gon for THAT milk

Wow didn't even realized It lol So true

Couldn't have said it better

@@Anticipatorzzzz what its true saitama is a protagonist from the end put back at the beginning meanhwile goku is just the mc that needs to train hard and become powerfull to defend his uni/family/people he cares

Not bad, never thought of it like that before.

​@@cathan3015 Idk if that's true. Goku usually just trains to train. It has never been stated that he trains to protect anyone nor even with the assumption that he will need the power to fight anyone. He basically just trains cause that's how he is

Not necessarily. He wasn't going lethal, but that doesn't mean he was holding back. He straight up says, with internal dialogue, that he can go all out and Garou will be able to get back up.

yup. he got genos' core in his other hand and in order to protect that saitama did hold back

​@@Bread0Breadit's literally show by the graph of his Powers increasing, that means he wasn't holding back and using all the strenght he had.

@@provaboth12345 only because the graph was growing that doesn't mean he wasn't holding back. After growth he didn't go with his full power cause in order to not break the genos' core in his left hand

He can just grow to goku level

Fax

I don’t really understand people who compare mangas because each one has their own form of power, like how the One Piece world isnt as powerful as like the dragon ball universe but each feat is equally impressive from gokus MUI to Luffys Gear 5

saitama doesnt have an end his power can go on forever

@@NubArnn no, he has limitless potential, doesn't mean he has infinite power. Otherwise hulk and broly also have infinite power.

Saitama also believes that there is still someone stronger than him and Dreams of fighting that being Just like Goku, He Dreams about battle that would push him

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we never saw saitama bleed though, even though serious moon flip makes no sense saitama can still be pushed around due to physics. What i would imagine would happen is that goku goes easy on him to the point that saitama just scales so high that even goku gets overwhelmed.

@@MGrey-qb5xz if it was officially written, yeah I guess but it should really be just combat in this case. Whoever wins wins whoever loses loses. Lead the other stuff to fan fictions

@@MGrey-qb5xz He already covered that saitama isn't going to get quadrillions of times stronger in one fight, and your infinite endurance argument makes absolutely no sense. Never been shown to bled and has only been "pushed around" = Infinite endurance is your argument

@@MGrey-qb5xz Literally debunkable by searching up "one punch man chapter 166 saitama is bleeding"

This is something that I have always talked about and it’s the number one reason why I hate how much everyone sucks off how powerful goku is. He’s only powerful because the writers say so, not because he’s actually done some crazy insane shit that makes you automatically go “oh shit this guy could literally destroy universes”

Yeah, like they destroy muntains in their fights and make some earthquakes but nothing more. Also you have the fact that Cell punched Mr. Satan and didn't destroy him at a molecular level

@@DanielGomez-xo1sh For real. In actual visible animation, saiyan super saiyan blah blah goku, whos a gigajillion times more powerful than his previous self, merely makes a crater in a mountain or something. Honestly Goku wins in actual argument but its just proven so boorishly.

You clearly don’t watch dragon ball fights

Go watch some fights then come back and delete your comment

lol ya

welp that could be a reasone why saitama cant beat goku good point

@@gnomer5211 dont worry, my character called whammy from a comic i created can one slap goku easily

@@503amirulhakim5 LOL

@@503amirulhakim5 Can I see that comic ?

There are a few issues with your theory here. To start with, Saitama never punched so hard that he went back in time. He copied a technique that is a time travel hack. The only thing his strength had to do with it, is it allowed him to survive using the technique. The big thing you are incorrect on is Saitama "passively playing along." Sure, he would probably start like that. However, since Goku is able to sense ki, and therefore would have a ballpark for how powerful Saitama actually is, he would start off by throwing out an attack that would actually hurt Saitama. This would immediately get Saitama excited, because his entire depression is based on the fact that he doesn't have any challenge. Maybe he wouldn't go all out right away, he might test the water a bit so that he doesn't instantly end the first decent fight he has gotten since he broke his limiter (at least, that is the case since he erased the Garou fight with the above mentioned time travel technique), but he would very quickly get to his full power, since Goku can, not only handle it, but massively outclasses it.

@@ikeillue8385 I agree mostly with what you said, except for the part about Saitama "reaching full power." The problem is that Saitama doesn't have a limit. If he's broken his limiter, then the concept of "100%" or "Full power" doesn't even apply to him anymore. His power will continue to passively skyrocket until he is beyond even that of Goku's most powerful form. It would be a battle of attrition, and to that end I can't exactly choose a winner. It would be the kind of fight that you'd have to just watch and see how it turns out. Sadly, that will never happen.

@@supahflames Just because he has no limit, does not mean he doesn't have a full power. All that means is that he will never reach a point when his "full power" won't increase. At any given moment, he has a full power, its just that the next moment, that is no longer his full power anymore. The issue is, Saitama is not special in this regard. The vast majority of Shonen characters, including Goku, have no limits. The difference though, is that Saitama's current full power, that is increasing, is multi solar system level, while Goku's full power, which is also increasing, is massively multi universal. Furthermore, based on what we have seen, Goku's power is increasing faster than Saitama's (though, Saitama's power increases naturally, while Goku's power increases via training). Saitama's power increase is easily covered by a few times increase (2-5 is easily enough to cover what we see), over a couple minutes. On the other hand, Goku's power increases by a huge low ball of 200 million times, over 48 minutes, a solid portion of which, Goku was unconscious, so he wasn't increasing his power over the entire 48 minutes. Last point, the fact of the matter is, Goku's current power is so much higher than Saitama's power, that its not at all a battle of attrition. Goku could end Saitama at any moment he chooses to. Again, multi solar system level Saitama, vs massively multi universe level Goku. Its really not close.

By that logic goku would have no limiter too and would grow as well

@@Hudson_Vye165 Goku and Saitama's limitless potential are different as Goku has to train or fight with a motive in mind to grow where Saitama just passively grows during a fight

Must suck.

As some who lived 20 billion light years away and got their galaxy blown up By someone who screamed I can confirm that it sucks

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98% of what he said is just common knowladge, or can be reached easily if you just look at the feats. Hmmm Saitama blew up a chunk of the Universe, that's should put him above Cell easily, but not quite BoG lvl, tho he still has room for growth. Here, that's all there is to it.

@@VladaBB hes a bum

@@good8619 Except most power scalers don't have common knowledge and can't look at feats and instead assume whatever they see is up to their interpretation so they can downplay it and if you saw something diffrent your wrong and d riding a character.

@@vmonsoon7400 Yea, it's not like Saitama can't improve anymore lol, people just wanna say he solo's everything for some reason.

It's actually not When you punch you punch with one hand Ever seen someone punch with two hands ? And they were just trading blows No technique or something

@@ghoul5825 you use your other arm when punching as well, mainly for balance. Can you imagine delivering planet-shattering punches while holding a hollow metal core that you could easily crush? No even gonna talk about the fact that he has to protect this core while fighting a f*cking god

@@lostinsound_wav u r really not a fighter it means i once had to save my school notes while fighting a bully i clrly fought him with single hand and managed to blow a couple of upercuts and jabs on his face . nd none of the time it seemed like i was being weak !!!

@@swapuuu7028 well done buddy, still doesn't change the fact that you use your other arm for balance. I didn't say your punch would be weak with only one arm, but with two arms it'd be easier to maintain balance and add strength

@@lostinsound_wav we r talking about a fictional character dude do u think that balancing concept will have any effect in that scene?

Ur question leaves me with more questions

Peter is immortal and has toonforce

uncle grandpa could beat saitama and goku

"Like the time I killed Saitama and Goku"

@@allofgarden4152yes and sponge bob

They always have been bro 😂

always has been

Nah they're still around. Now you've got people saying "haha funny gag bc Baldy farts at FTL". OPM subreddit genuinely think he's a gag

They need therapy or something because their brains are broken or extremely delusional

I mean, both Murata and ONE said he is a gag so

No, goku beats Goku, as seen in the goku black saga

From what I’ve seen Goku claps goku

@@Weezo523 goku claps chi-chi*

@@user-vs9ds3dc2y and he’s done it twice too

It's hard to say but if it were up to me I'd say Goku takes the win

ONE* Murata only gave the story a good look by drawing fantastic manga panels for it. ONE made the story, and theres also a webcomic for this which is the original.

@@maybeimvel One made the original webcomic. But Murata is about as free as he wants to be with how the story goes. We've even seen Murata change his mind multiple times about how the story will go, like in the PhoenixMan fight or the Garou fight. And now we are going in really different places with the NeoHeroes arc. So, sure One made the original story, but Murata's retelling is able to do its own thing.

@@gonzotown9438 Oh wait I think I misread your comment. Apologies. And yes, that is true

Incorrect. the only reason he was scaling that fast is because of the surge of emotion he got from Genos dying. It has absolutely nothing to do with the strength of his opponent.

​@@ikeillue8385 probably If an opponent is stronger than him, he will get back the émotion of fighting and will grow expanoately just like he did in one of the bonus chapters. But you're right, it's also because of his émotion for genos death

@@ptoonsanimations8707 "probably" is not will. The only thing in the canon material that has caused his boost in growth, was Genos' death. We have 0 indication that anything else would cause that explosive growth. Also, he never grew exponentially. His rate of growth increased exponentially. His power increased from human level to a few thousand times solar system level in about a year and a half, then he got that surge of emotion, which caused his power to increase by that same amount, maybe double or triple that amount, in a matter of a couple minutes.

​@@ikeillue8385but would Saitama grow that fast if his opponent would've been weaker than Saitama himself? No, because he doesn't need that much power to clap him. That's why both emotions and the strength of his opponent was a catalyst to exponential growth of his power

​​​​@@ikeillue8385 tf did you write in end half of your reply? He didn't grow exponentially but his rate of growth kept increasing exponentially? What's the difference? Do u know the difference of rate of growth and actual growth? The manga clearly mentioned only growth, not rate of growth, in that case his growth rate is increasing but at a linear line, but according to you, the rate of his growth is also exponential, then you just wanked Saitama more broken than he actually is Lol

Man's trying to talk about scaling withour being able to understand a graph, lol

@@nalzeck Do you mean me, or Geekdom?

Geekdom

Or maybe, Saitama notces his opponents increase in power. And as a result uses more of his to easily surpass it. What seth doesn't show you here is that he still continues to hold back power as his promise to the kid that he wouldn't kill garou. Saitama also says now that he isn't on the planet he can use more of his power. Explains why his graph was rising. His opponent is seeing his power grow.

I just now realized this was a Seththeprogrammer video and not Geekdom101. Whoops. I'm kinda surprised nobody corrected me lol. I see a lot of people mention ki control in "Dragon Ball vs other fictional fighters" debates, usually to suggest a character isn't using their full strength, like it's a concept that's unique to Dragon Ball. As if pulling your punches or holding yourself back can't be done without the ability to manipulate ki.

Emotions just doesn't power up saitma. From a long long time, it's the key to saiyans power up too.

say if goku and saitama meet, they wouldn’t b enemies but goku would want to see how strong he could get, so In turn goku would gradually go threw all of his forms then would get to a point of where who can grow stronger the fastest

Saitama stated that the excitement of what he wants was not actually present at all, and he was disappointed that he lost what he always wanted. Genos's heart thing was what brought back the emotion part of it

@@devonhenry733 that's why people say bloodlusted Goku in most debates

@@ayushdeshmukh284 he may have been mad but its obvious all he needs for true growth is veryvery tough opponents, the fight needs to not be easy for him to grow thats all. I think op is right, goku wouldnt go full force he would go through the stages of his tranformations to really test out his power he doesnt go at anyone full power sadly, i wish he would though!!!

Yeah fr, he used Garou as a toy to get stronger. He annoyed saitama by copying his strength and durability, so it made Saitama push further just to get stronger due to his Infinite potential. So in the end, if you can make saitama 100% and make him pass his outer limits then hed just get stronger and stronger. The only downside is that to hope that Saitama doesnt get One shotted or Speed blitzed.

@@ytaccount8635 exactly. And the amount of times goku has tried to one shot a person at the start of the fight can be counted on one hand im pretty sure.

I would like to add it's implied by the fact that Saitama has NEVER been injured in a fight, that he is always as strong as he will ever be. It's not that he becomes more powerful, it's that he is always this strong and it takes a powerful opponent to even decide to make him exercise his own power and find out how strong he really is. It looks like exponential growth because he's just matching the strength scale of anyone he encounters as his natural state is unused infinite power.

@@metatron107 Yeah I don't know why people keep missing this, he doesn't get stronger fighting Garou, his punches got stronger. He just kept hitting harder and harder because Garou was getting stronger. He's never shown to use any effort, or to be even slightly injured - he's just arbitrarily stronger (exponentially so) than any opponent, and the story is exploring what it means for that to be true for a character.

@@thegrandwombat8797 I don't think that's correct because Saitama ended up sneezing and messing up Juptier. The implication was that he was actually getting stronger, since his sneezes never did that before, and it was one of the more impressive feats seen in the manga

I agree

Saitama has never killed a human.

He was bloodlusted he just didn’t kill him because of the promise, he would’ve done so otherwise

@@Axolxtl holding back from killing someone is literally the opposite of bloodlust. Bloodlust implies the intention to kill. Cant be bloodlusted if youre trying not to kill them the entire time.

@@allthingsend6689 what I meant is that he had the intent to kill the whole time until the end (when he beat garou) and realized or remembered his promise

GGarou is not even galaxy-level proof>> The Milkywayy galaxy which is smaller than a full galaxy has a total of 1.5 trillion mass of suns or 100 billion stars and it's only 4 percent of the Milkyway galaxy, Garou in the manga made to some degree full-blown multiple holes in space but that isn't enough because even if he destroyed billion or millions of stars heck even solar systems that don't even come close to a full-blown galaxy. and I even have proof to prove it. ---Scientists weighed all the mass in the Milky Way galaxy It’s mind-boggling

@@yahiaherzallah688 bro wat r u talking about

@@seekinpeekin he's saying how in the opm universe there's not enough strong opponents to make Saitama closer to goku

@@vierslf345 thats exactly what i said in my original comment tho

I said a similar thing too. Saitama can't outgrow the OPM universe simply because the characters he interacts with that we all know and love are too weak for it. The opm universe is simply too realistic in comparison as absurd as that sounds

Tbh saitama just gets powers randomly so that ain't really a fair point, Goku didn't start out nowhere near powerful as saitama did

So because the story isn't developed you can't compare, that is a terrible argument, they have finally given Saitama feats that you can use as comparison. Just because they haven't wanked him to be at the current level of DBS doesn't mean you can't compare.

Dragon Ball Super still has a while to go and Saitama is at the end of his story and yet he just had to increase his power to win.. But what you say is true I guess of Anything and why Superman is also impossible to beat I mean he sneezed away a solar system..

@@11jcmex11 you can’t compare both without it being fair yes

@@kod5660 my point proven, literally no character can beat superman at this just because he’s gone for so long that not even reality manipulation can hold him back, also about One Punch Man nearing its end, yeah no not even close, not even the webcomic is finished at that point, we’ve only finished an arc, not a majority of the story line

Y'know what Anime fans especially the power scaler ones are Legit Smart i mean from the past days reading comments about Character after Character just them scaling I can confirm they are Smart they have a good set of philosophy (their personal philosophy ,Pretty knowledgeable about physics/cosmos, And always does a research, And sometimes actually does an actual Math calculations. I mean i don't even Memorize the multiplication table.😔

@@scalycopperhead1674 I ain't no simp plus I don't suck toes that's what Americans only do

One thing I don't understand is goku died from a laser beam(weak as fuck one)to the to the heart which means piccolo could kill goku if he shoots goku directly in the heart💀which also means roshi,gohan,goten,vegeta,gohan,superman,Batman,darkside,many more characters can kill goku if they get a direct hit on him

​@@BionicleLegoEnjoyer yeah but it would take a direct hit and he would have to have his guard completely down, or to injured to move, but usually that doesn't happen, also he died that way mainly because they wanted Goku to die and then come back later, it was a plot decision

@@commentmanilikemdansc8550 What Is Being “ Smart “. They’re Just More In Depth Bro Chill Out. And Most Are Prob Not Happy. . Being Smart Doesn’t Lead To Happiness Peace Or Success. You’re Somebody Still Enjoy The Animes 💯 And Live Your Truth

I'm sorry man

yeah goku still slams

@@s.elir07 nah

@@josephgms1328 yes, dont be biased

Totally

imagine being biased when we literally haven't even seen saitama struggling/damaged yet

Frieza is 100% building to another Ultra Instinct Super Saiyan

Meat rider, granola ark was garbage like fr fr black Frieza got the dub they gave Frieza a new form and the dub before Vegeta stop meat ridding this series it's garbage

Though I am not a fan of modern dragon ball super writing but it is true the power progression has gotten out of hand with insane multiplications though the way they are treating power forms which have not been around for long and how they are naming them is pretty bad these days. The writing ideas could be way better. I think there are some better contestants that would compare to Goku much better then Saitama. I can think of six examples being: Anos Voldigoad (Misfit at Demon Academy) Wang Ling (Daily Life of the Immortal King) Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann (Gurren Lagann) Ren Fuji (Shinza Bansho Dies Irae) Mori Jin (The God of Highschool) And last but certainly not least Seiya from (Saint Seiya). These six characters have some beyond universal scaling which can be better applied then Saitama does to be considered comparable to Goku. Ren Fuji can be insane depending on the type of scaling applied to his verse's power call Atziluth. But I think Anos Voldigoad would be the most interesting versus comparison to make against Goku because his verse has some of the most defined comparable cosmologies and he has alot of reality warping and destructive potent abilities that may make him comparable to Goku's best composite arguments.

That's crazy and all but in an all out fight all Saitama has to do is take it to space. Or destroy the planet. Goku dies in space

Black Goku and now black Frieza lol🤣

Still would not matter one bit

If someone only needs one hand to do something it can’t be at their full power.

@@Crazyhead432 he can punch at full power but not fight at full power. You don’t need two hands to punch someone at full power

Arguments like this don’t make sense cause like, have you never punched anything before? When you punch someone as hard as you can do you use both hands? He can still punch at max power it’s just that his actual combat ability is limited

@@RikutoTheGoat Okay? So your statement was completely redundant?

Yeah Kid Goku was pretty much a gag character

@@Loldino897 he WAS a gag character

@@mlgn0sc0p3r5 no he wasn't that's not a gag it's a joke for the show he never did this in the anime

@@unbeatable6782 it was in the literal manga, how would you want panel breaking to be illustrated on anime? Do you want goku to break your tv screen and beat your ass irl? Cause that’s how it would be if animated

@@mlgn0sc0p3r5 it's a joke bro Goku is not immune to gags at all anyway breaking that panel is a joke dc did it does that mean there a gag now? Hell no SpongeBob did it too

He didn't absolutely he did just kind of cuz goku still got hits in and people forgetting goku isn't trying to kill anyone nor destroy the planet of goku didn't care and imbraced his saiyan nature he could've killed broly on the spot but he couldn't cuz he would've probably had to take the universe out with him just to put him down

@@mrfake1253 That's some good weed you're smoking because that made NO sense. If Goku could kill him so easily, as you're implying, then it shouldn't be difficult at all to knock Broly out. Yeah Goku got some hits in, but none of that matters. Let me lay it out: Goku and Vegeta, working together, in Super Saiyan Blue form, COULD NOT DEFEAT, a Super Saiyan ONE Broly. They had to run away so they could fuse. Broly was still trading blows with Super Saiyan One Gogeta, Gogeta was mostly dodging and blocking during that phase of their fight. When Broly transformed into Legenday Super Saiyan he was starting to overpower Super Saiyan One Gogeta before he transformed to Super Saiyan Blue. The point is Broly absolutely dominated Goku and Vegeta, even worse than DBZ Broly did. DBZ Broly was already in Legend form when he smacked them around, this time he only needed his Super Siayan One form to smack them around at Super Saiyan Blue. If you don't think that's OVERPOWERED, then you're objectively a fanboy.

@@mrfake1253 Nah but like, Goky has years of fighting experience in combat and he's dubbed as a martial arts genius. In a fight he wouldn't get hit unless he wanted to at the minium. Broly was outpacing Goky really easily. Plus, Goku getting hits on Broly was more of Broly's lack of experience.

@@akumaisreal2090 killing and knocking out is different.

@@projectzfoundation3065 yes they are, that's what I was saying too.

That is a good point. How tf does that even work?

How does one block out starlight?

Wouldn’t work because this is fiction

Lowballing eh

This is fiction bud just like how we can't go faster than light but Saitama can easily go 1000s of times faster than light

Okay but one thing I want to put in your head is this. They were about to destroy the microcosm, but what if that's just because a God of destruction is linked to the universe. So every time beerus gets hurt, the universe reacts in response. I'm not trying to downplay DragonBall to make opm look better, I'm just saying that goku doesn't really strike me as a universal being outside of this feat Edit: God damn, I got gods of destruction being directly linked to the Supreme Kai's mixed up with them being linked to the universe because I haven't watched dbs in a few years, and everyone feels the need to jump me for being confused. This is why no one likes DragonBall fans

@@shoemakerx0105 if ur just gonna refuse a fact then that's u, lmao goku is multiversal at lowball and if u don't believe that then it's just like saying how I dont believe 1+1=2 when there's obviously proof that 1+1 is 2 just like how goku is multiversal

@@shoemakerx0105 you are hard-core reaching either that. Beerus is never stated to be connected to the universe. Zamasu killed literally all the gods in his timeline, including beerus, and the universe is just fine. The reason goku doesn't go around almost destroying the universe after that us because of ki control. It's been explained before

@@shoemakerx0105 well idk if he’s connected to the universe idk about that it could be but I feel like a major plot point like that would atleast be mentioned

@@shoemakerx0105 that’s just the most head canon logic an assumption there is

I didn't know how powerful Goku was tbh, I didn't think that he was 4 million times stronger than the fricking infinity. Not to cast shade on DB, but if Goku can destroy anything in his super Saiyan form, then what's the point? He can just erase everything if he loses. In mastered ultra instinct he may be able to go all Thanos but instead of half the population he could erase everything 100 times over

@@eudi8083 why on earth would Goku kill everybody and the people he loves?

@@youtuber-tg1pu The difference between Goku and Saitama is that Saitama actually show his feat of actually doing it, while people talk about Goku claiming he can do it, but doesn't actually do it. We know Frieza can blow up a planet, but it take time and he still need to aim at the core. Cell is the same thing, he claim he can blow up a solar system, but he never actually do it. If Cell can blow up a solar system, he can go to the outer reaches of the Milky way and blast it at a safe distance. But he doesn't do that. So everything he said was a bluff.

@@DaiMie yes and no on the Frieza and Cell thing. Clearly frieza didn't care for the aim and just blew up planet earth on resurrection F (before whis time traveled). Meanwhile on namek, we are told that Frieza couldn't blow up Namek completely (not because he needed to aim, but because he was afraid of getting caught in the blast). Cell could blow up the solar system (or at least, that's what we are told.) but because it is stopped by Gohan, we would actually never see this (plus that doesn't mean that just because he does an attack it will literally blow up the solar system, he still needs to aim at either the sun, or the multiple planets at once to blow them up and from the position we see after cell dies in the father-son kamehameha, they were never aimed at the solar system planets). think of it like this, it's like that moment of us seeing Saitama use "Serious punch" on Genos, but Saitama stopped and blew up a mountain. We are shown that it's powerful, but never told how much powerful it actually is because he held back and his intention wasn't to kill genos. So taking that into account, is saitama's serious punch just a mountain level punch (or a bluff since he became light hearted after doing the punch?). No, it isn't. because we know that Saitama would never go all out on Genos, but we know "Serious punch" could be (and is) VERY DEVASTATING had he not been sparring (and we have been constantly seeing Saitama doing moves that could've been even MORE devastating had he gone full serious mode).

@@DaiMie it’s cause they meet a match equivalent or even stronger so they can improve themself even more that’s why everytime they fight a villain they get stronger and gain new forms

i have a question can niggas survive like can superman survive a planet being destroyed like if hes on it

​@@mrackz5694 He can survive in space, and is more than durable enough to survive the destruction of Earth itself... In most continuities. Saitama can also do this, to a degree. He can probably hold his breath for a long time in Space. Goku and others are inconsistent in this aspect, but according to power scaling, they should have the raw durability to survive this.

@@mrackz5694 superman can destroy the multiverse and the 6th dimension, so yeah he can survive a planet destruction while hes on it.

@sanjay wait maybe my lord of Superman isn’t up to date, but doesn’t super man get his power from our sun? If he destroyed the solar system let alone the galaxy (with the sun in it) wouldn’t he become just a normal person and die from it? I’m not saying this with authority I’m asking, because as far as I know this is true, but you might no some lord I don’t.

@@jamesdecost6009 even if he destroys the sun he still has energy inside of him, he is like a battery.

NEARly aha!

What is the name of this soundtrack?

@@olukmajn7228 I honestly don't know

@@ZaqueX6969me personally I think it was multi galaxy feat at best but multi stars at least.

i tough seth took that into consideration or maybe he didant

@@raf8668 he didn’t nor did he take into the count that saitama rapidly grows and matches his opponents strength instantly

@@supremeinfern0qt576 I have yet to watch one punch man but I always care to be accurate since I just literary finished dbs rn

@@raf8668 W

I'm sure he considered it but either way it wouldn't matter because all the stuff that happened in dbz to dbsuper is still greater than that

because most of the fights happens on earth or in any other important planet ☠️, why would they destroy the planet they’re on everytime they fight, especially knowing the fact that both goku & vegeta can’t breath in space? ☠️, & wat do you mean statements that haven’t been adequately demonstrated after the freiza arc? ☠️ like are you just going to ignore buu destroying galaxies & with time potentially the universe or buu almost destroying the universe by screaming or goku & beerus almost destroying the entire macrocasm by just clashing while holding back or champa & beerus almost destroying the universe or goku moving faster than time skip or goku attacking hit while he’s in another time space or goku moving on 0 time or goku black slicing open a dimension containing an inf amount of himselfs in it or jiren quite literally being stated & shown to transcend time & space or goku shaking an inf 4D construct by just existing or jiren shaking the same inf 4D construct by just flexing or toppo casually changing the entire color of the world of void with one attack or broly & gogeta breaking reality not once but TWICE by just clashing ☠️, cmon bro if you’re going to comment on a show at least do your research on it first 😂 -edit: also in Dragon Ball there’s a thing called ki control, go learn about it 👍🏾

My theory for why the world doesn’t shatter from a fight is because they completely control their ki. Think of how jiren turns a spirit bomb sized ball into a tiny one is how I think of it. I think that they trade out range for damage. Instead of them concentrating their ki into breaking the area, they focus it and compress it into the enemy to do the max amount of damage

@@KaioCresendo 100% correct lmao, you should read the response i made to his comment

@@Ale2raw Right you can make planet size power into punches for example when Goku and Beerus clashed a punch planets were shaking due to the shock wave

@@KaioCresendo That’s exactly why I’ve always assumed the entire world would shake during new transformations/power-ups in DB. They were unable to completely control their ki during the transformation. Once they get used to it, they can freely change into their super saiyan form without causing earthquakes and tsunamis all over earth.

That's what I'm saying man. I watch some episodes, and not even shockwaves are created from galaxy level attacks.

@@paddyfields599 fr I'm afraid that in the end author will say that this was all a joke and this is all happening in his doll house or something

@@paddyfields599 It would be too much. There was already inconsistency early on with SS 1 and 2 and whether lightning dictated the form and etc. I get that it's not represented well. But the math is very literal when stated by characters.

@@paddyfields599 mui goku should be atleast complex multiversal lvl.

Buh if that would happen like they would have to fix the universe n shi every single fight or spare

I get that, but there is actually in universe reasons for why things don't feel like they are getting stronger. The characters in DB focus the force of their attacks into smaller areas, in order to both, decrease collateral damage (otherwise, with current characters, multiverses would be getting destroyed in a casual confrontation), as well as increase the pressure on the opponent (if force is constant, and area is reduced, then the pressure increases, which results in more damage to the target.).

Also different animations can lead to different feelings in impact if the animators of opm animated DB then it would feel different

@@ikeillue8385yeah bro cell saying that this blow can destroy a whole solar system but only can blow up mountains is crazy! just saying shit to say shit: power scaling means nothing in DB when they cannot be bothered to actually back it up. In OPM at least you can feel the weight of each attack and it’s not meaningless.

@@IMVGINE The problem with your theory is the fact that we can look at previous feats, and see the increase in power since those feats. Don't get me wrong, its still taking a statement at face value. However, there is a pretty massive difference between seeing characters who's best is only mountain level, and assuming that they are solar system level based on statements alone, and having a character who: 1. takes out a planet with 10x Earth's gravity (a star busting level feat), while using one finger... 2. then has 3 transformations, each one is directly shown to trivialize the last... 3. then that character gets utterly stomped by another character... 4. who stood no chance against his enemies... 5. who are weaker than the enemies that he warns the main characters about... 6. then those enemies get completely and utterly flexed on by the main villain... 7. who gets his butt kicked by another character... 8. then the villain transforms and casually overpowers that character that was beating him before... 9. then he gets toyed with by another character... 10. then he transforms again and toys with the guy who was toying with him... 11. then gets a massive power boost putting him on par with the guy who was beating the crap out of his previous full power... and that is the guy who claims that he is capable of destroying the solar system. Suddenly, that claim feels far less unreasonable, based on the previous feat we saw, and all the blatant increases in power we see after the fact.

Why goku of all people? Last time i checked it was superman whos was the stronger between him and goku.

@@Solbrave00 because it’s the anime world. Dragon ball was THE anime for most of us so it’s almost reflex to go to goku

And Goku is paired against Superman a lot. What that tells us is people like to make what-ifs in their mind. That's all. 🐕💩 take.

Goku stans still saying goku is stronger than any fictional characters, even though marvel already has Thanos with the gauntlet (and he's not even the strongest character in the marvel comics) and DC having Superman prime 1 million, which both of them are omnipotent. They even dared to compare Zeno to an even higher omnipotent characters like Lucifer Morningstar or even Living tribunal. Heck, they even compared him to the one above all and the presence.

@@annon658 Goku still solos

Except saitama is only kid buu level

@@rmullins9368 lol no

@@rmullins9368 cell takes down saitama easy

@@rmullins9368 in your wet dreams probably

If gokus not bloodlusted he would probably lower his pl to near sitamas and he would get stronger and stronger if goku isn't careful he could get out of hand like what happend with broly

yeah i was confused cause the graph is clearly not linear

Yea what he doesn’t realize is at a point and exponential graph will in crease more than goku can. Even when he was talking about how his power could increase by 4,000,000 by nature an exponential graph his power could increase infinitely more than that. Another cool thing to realize is that some infinities are bigger than others, and in the case of saitama it is shown that no matter the power level of his opponent his power increase to be greater that it, which basically means his infinity will always be bigger than gokus infinity

@@dillon7746 so you're saying that Goku increases in strength linearly? and also Goku has also been shown to become stronger than his opponent no matter how strong they are too aside from the angels, Beerus and Zeno but thats because they were far beyond what he could even comprehend and we've never seen a gap anywhere close to that with Saitama but with Goku and Vegeta especially in super they have been shown to bridge insane gaps to surpass their opponents but apparently Saitama going from planetary to galaxy is somehow infinite now and him growing stronger mid fight is exclusive to him

@@k1llsh0t_87 the difference is Goku has to usually train, or have a new transformation to surpass his opponents eventually. Saitama is just naturally stronger than the people he fights already, and adapts his strength to match or surpass his opponents. I don’t think Saitama is currently stronger than Goku by any means, but Saitama definitely has a ton more potential than Goku does. Imagine if Saitama train a whole life time like Goku did? He would literally be immortal. It took Saitama 3 years to achieve strength that took Goku about 30 years to achieve.

@@dillon7746 No he only did that to gorou not anybody else he was already stronger than the rest of the people he fought so he couldn’t grow past somebody he was already stronger than. And if you wanna use facts he only did that when genos got destroyed so he used anger to grow. And goku did the same thing with Frieza when krillen was killed. Gohan also did the same when 16 was destroyed. And broly did that when Paragus died. But people don’t seem to think saiyans can grow stronger while fighting but all of them can. The saiyans spar with each other to grow way stronger before zenkai can get a chance to do anything. If sparring equals a battle what makes you think goku can’t grow the same in a battle. And if you say goku can’t do that you don’t know his character he is always fighting with somebody stronger than him but somehow beats them in the end. That’s the same thing saitama did. So In a fight if saitama grows stronger than goku that’s when goku is gonna reached saitama’s power to match his saitama power it’s in all saiyans genetics. They get stronger while fighting but saiyans like broly do it way faster but it’s still in their genetics. All saiyans we have seen fight did the same thing saitama did which is (fighting the enemy who is stronger than some how growing past that said enemy) if that’s not the case then goku, vegeta, broly, Gohan, would be dead already.

It still goes back to if he wasn’t there he wouldn’t be able to do it

@@wtjlife4402 fax

@@wtjlife4402 yeah and if master Roshi didn’t exist goku doesn’t know kamehameha, ur point?

@@wtjlife4402 bruh what are you on hahaha

@@wtjlife4402 Nah Genos explained that no matter what happened Saitama would have transended time and space to save everyone. So even if Garou didn't teach Saitama to time travel, Saitama would have done something that involves reversing time and healing everyone.

Doesn’t matter. Goku still one shots

@@godzefkiel2686 how you know

@@paulchen6329 common sense.

@@godzefkiel2686 guess you lack common sense then

@@paulchen6329 y’all can’t do simple math

This. 100% this. I've found this to be such a ridiculous concept that the vs community just takes a fact. Not only have they decided that immeasurable is greater than infinite, both concepts that cannot be quantified, and therefore cannot be compared, but they have decided this despite the fact that infinite is literally immeasurable.

@@ikeillue8385 those are not the literal interpretations of the speed it’s just the tier names. Moving in stopped time vs moving back in linear time.

@@josha8891 Even if you go by that theory, its still ridiculous. Moving back in linear time is actually a lesser feat than moving in stopped time. Where moving in stopped time results in an infinite result when applied to the speed formula, moving back in time just results in a negative number. The only issue here is that negative speed. This tells us, not that they are moving incredibly fast, but that they are moving in a direction that is not normally possible in 3 dimensions, which allows for negative speed.

It’s just naming things to make them easier to process.

@@ChadKakashi you realize anything after infinity is practically worthless? even uncountable infinity and countable are practically the same when it comes to this. the scaling community is a bunch of wingnut monkeys who make up words to defend their favorite sweaty character, its just sad to see lmao.

He has had little development that was undone in Supers regression

Ok

@@angeljohnson7582 he’s right tho, character wise all the DB characters are shells of what they were

@@nishcheta885 If an argument like that is ever going to get off the ground, that "OPM is a new series and hasn't had the time to develop Saitama's power", the OPM fandom is the one that has to back off first. If even a single OPM fan is comparing Saitama to Goku, any DB fan is justified in comparing back. Problem is, with the people that think Saitama due to his lack of feats has no limits and is thus infinite and solos fiction, it's never gonna happen.

Saitama solos the verse no matter how strong Goku is he is limitless

Dbh isn’t canon , Dbs tried to take a more linear route than Z but the powers of Goku and Vegeta are consistent only thing inconsistent about super is them making side characters stronger than they should for the sake of relevancy like 17

I'd also add VISUALS ART STYLE & ANIMATION that can add on to that "inconsistent" feeling. There are moment where I'm like "Damn, I don't see Goku randomly tearing space per punch like Person Example A but I know he can do it". That SSG Goku vs Beerus Punch for example looked weak as hell and I KINDA hated the early stages of DBS anime LOL

Nah only dbs and dbh since DBZ was quite consistent when it came to power

@@madatcolorless7050 Canon dosen't ignore facts.

@@elijahaaron6949 I agree with you. The transition from DBZ to DBS was pretty terrible. A minor detail can be pulled from Supreme Elder Kai. He talks about how he was sealed away both in DBZ and DBS. DBZ: "Almost as terrible as Boo." DBS: "Beerus-sama sealed me away." So how would boo be stronger than Beerus? If not then on par with a GOD. They both use the Z-Sword. However, the wording is very weird on how he power scales Beerus to Buu. We saw Buu getting pretty evenly matched with SSJ3 Goku. But, Beerus made SSJ3 look like Yellow hair dye with sprinkles on-top.

The issue with your theory is the fact that Saitama couldn't one shot Garou initially. He had to grow to get to that point. You also can't say that he will eventually one shot someone who is stronger than he is, since he has never fought anyone stronger than himself. Sure, if the gap is small enough, and the opponent is growing in power slow enough, Saitama could catch up and over take them. However, in the case of Goku, the gap is absolutely astronomical (multi solar system level, vs massively multi universal in base form.), as well as Goku's growth is easily on par, if not massively superior to Saitama's.

@@ikeillue8385 oh no the angry goku tards

You forget OPM is a cartoon, and doesn't abide by logic. One second Saitama can't kill a mosquito, the next he one shots God.

@@metatron107 and the next nanosecond he’s dead in one punch by goku

@@GiornoGiovanna-if3yx He has never been injured in combat and never will be.

@@metatron107 scratched by a cat. Spit blood from garous punch, was bleeding from the head after garous punch.

@@metatron107 that’s like saying mike Tyson never got hurt in a fight before so he will be injured

Ngl even if he held back, compared to goku that's not much sadly..but I see ya

Sorry but that graph was an explanation to the audience to what was happening in a narrative style so his strenght indeed was increasing, the graph also shows that garou and saitama were almost leveled before saitama's strenght grew so he wasnt holding back atleast in the beginning especially since he stated he was going to go all out

@@vegeets3710 it's a narrative graph from garous perspective though, so it doesn't mean much imo. I'm not even disputing the fact that Goku>>>>>>>Saitama. I'm only explaining that he was indeed holding back, even by his own admission at the end of the fight...

@@rpgfanatic5477 read the chapter again from "even now saitama was continuing to grow" to "to measure what level saitama's strenght had reached" an give the chat and thought bubble definitely indicating garou talking or thinking a voice and the one in square boxes a different voice and you'd see it's different

@@vegeets3710 I can agree with that, but does that really negate the entire end of the fight where he mentions he had to keep his promise not to kill him? If Saitama really was using everything he had, I'd have expected more than just using 1 hand the entire fight as well... he still hasn't kicked (far as I know). Bottom line is, I really do think he was holding back some, maybe he began holding back more as the fight went on and he became stronger? And right at the start he was truly giving his all? I need to re-read these chapters lol. Anyway, I'm not about to be like "nah, Saitama destroys Goku" Goku MUI and later feats alone are nearly un-surpassable in anime imo.

He can’t do it anyway since he lost his memory

@@fatcat2861 ok...

No, garou gave him access to the time sphere and Saitama just used his punch to navigate through it to go back to the past. He can't do it on his own.

@@calebstephan2083 wtf are you saying lmao what time sphere?

Teaching him means he can't do it without garou doing it first

I mean as of now Goku clobber Saitama with no difficulty but that could change

@@delfinner2212 lmao

SPOILER : Since the manga is still going black frieza literally one shot goku and vegeta at the same time in his new form, so goku did going to get even stronger now that he has another stupidly powerful enemy to fight

Then Gohan never be touch by anyone with his potential growth

@@delfinner2212 I like seth but he is getting one thing wrong. Saitama groth wasn't slow it was fast but garu continued to copy saitama that is why he was keeping up with the groth of saitama. It was stated almost at the end of the fight that even though garo was copying saitama over and over saitama was just getting stronger so fast that copying him was pointless and that garu couldn't keep up. Saitama know that garu is copying him every time so saitama just continued to raise his power. If saitama groth was slow and if garu power was close to saitama then garu would be able to but a scratch on saitama even once. That didn't happen so that means saitama is was way stronger that what we even

Garou was effecting Saitama, if only a small amount. You can see Saitama react to multiple of Garou's attacks. Sure, he was fighting with one hand, but that doesn't mean he wasn't attacking at full power with the hand he was using. No one is arguing that Saitama can't get stronger. This is true of basically every shonen character ever designed. What matters is that, right now, Saitama doesn't stand a chance against Goku. Looking at how strong he might be later is just speculation. You claim about Saitama getting stronger to beat someone stronger is only true if the gap is small enough for Saitama to cover. If someone is only a moderate amount stronger than Saitama is, then sure. However, if they are magnitudes greater, then there is no reason to believe that Saitama could cover that gap, in any reasonable amount of time. Goku could one shot him easily (Goku is exponentially more powerful than Garou, who was capable of making Saitama react to his attacks.). But even if he chose to not one shot Saitama, it wouldn't matter. Not only is Goku's power on a level so far beyond Saitama, that there is no way Saitama would catch up to even base Goku, within the span of a single fight, but Goku's power is also increasing at an insane rate (one of the most crazy increases was during the tournament of power, where his power increased by a low ball of 200 million times in 48 minutes, most of which he was unconscious for). In short, as of right now with the respective series, Saitama stands absolutely no chance against Goku.

saitama wasnt trying his fullest during the battle

Saitama literally one-shot Garou in Zero Punch. 💀

@@paracosm6234 that was Saitama after growing from fighting garou for a while, who was constantly getting as strong as him. Then there is past garou who has never copied saitama yet..in that state yes, saitama one shots easy.

Saitama clothes were only destroyed. Garou didn't even put a scratch on that bald head. Not a single drop of blood, sweat or anything like that.

Facts

yeah, they were taking that gag character stuff way too seriously. I found almost nothing funny about the last few chapters in opm, besides the serious fart and even then I took it seriously.

He is one tho. Its the concept of the show

@@colin4839 😂

Apparently the creators themselves said he is. Now i use statements but i know not everyone does so if thats true then at least for me, i wont have much of a refute

@@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy Nope, they never have and if they did, they’re wrong.

That's because he's only ever fought against planetary level threats. Even Boros despite being a 'star' level threat needed to expel his entire life force to threaten the Earth. We don't have any panel feats for Boros outside his own statements.

@@mdc3227 He didn't need to expel his life force for the earth, but against saitama. The only reason boros said that he'll blast away the earth and saitama is because saitama was in his way. He had to kill saitama to destroy earth which he failed to do

You forgot about that crab man that makes saitama bleed at first place

@@bunny2004 That was way before he became bald and got his powers

@@zenn6322 he said ''He has never been shown'' so yeah, saitama has been shown to be tired or taken substantial damage.

Couple problems here. First, we know for a fact that Saitama being excited to see someone on par or stronger than him wouldn't be enough to give him his increased growth rate. Saitama had the dream earlier in the series, where he was super excited fighting the monsters that were actually keeping up with him, hurting him, and in general giving him a challenge. Even if it was just a dream, the emotions he felt during that dream were real. The issue comes into play when the manga straight up tells us that his growth was caused from a surge of emotion, like he had never felt before. He had never felt that level of emotion before, and he had felt the emotion of fighting a strong opponent in his dream, therefore fighting a strong opponent is not enough to give him that increased growth. Its good that you didn't bring up the Saitama holding back argument, because the manga straight up tells us that, even if he was holding back, he didn't have to. Saitama straight up points out that he could go all out against Garou, and he would still be able to get back up. So, regardless of whether he actually was going all out or not, we know for absolute sure, that Garou and Saitama, at the start of the fight, were of comparable power, with Saitama only having a moderate advantage at best. That is a very misleading way of saying that Garou literally stopped fighting, and walked Saitama step by step through how to do the time travel technique. We also can't assume he can just do it repeatedly. In fact, we know he can't do it repeatedly. As soon as he goes back in time and throws the first punch, time corrects itself, fusing the two Saitamas (possibly erasing future Saitama. But we'll go with the fusing assumption for now.), and he lost all memory of the future events. Even if he is still capable of using the technique, he lost all memory of how to use it, so he would be unable to use it a second time.

Obviously, DBZ and DBS are old school. They were way ahead of their time. Now movies are much better

That’s so funny because all these years y’all never talked about art when it was naruto vs goku. Goku mfs are cringe

@@ToastyClam the fact people even considered Naruto could fight Goku kinda proves my point. But whatever, I find this kinda discussion very unproductive, I was just in need to share my thoughts on this subject

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And something that a lot of people forget is that Goku never starts a fight using his full power I get that you think just because he can destroy a universe with a wave of his hand doesn't mean that he is going to theres a ton of things that go into why the blows won't destroy a world and it's because of the simple fact of how the dragon ball universe works and how it's different from ours so some planets can take the power of the blows and others can't and Goku is good at making stuff not hit where he's fighting for if the world he's fighting on where to be destroyed since he can't breathe in space he would die but also you don't know how other stuff works in DB Goku if he where to get shot by a gun could be killed but since he has his ki or energy around his body almost all the time he can take a bullet like it was nothing so he could be putting a ki sheald around the space of him fighting so it won't get destroyed and before you say Goku is not smart enough to think of something like this in the TOP the rules say that you can't fly and it takes away the ability to fly unless it's a natural ability so he makes up for this when fighting by seeing ki blast mid battle to climb up to his opponent that was in the air at the time so when it comes to mid battle thinking to help him and the world he fights on this is completely on the realm something Goku can do

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What your failing to realize is db characters have astronomical control over there powers and are able to fluctuate them. Goku can quite literally sneeze and blow up earth but hones his own destructive capabilities.

@@JaiiDaLyricist i thought i made that clear distinction with the "true strength" part but i guess i wasnt, i was basically trying to say is with control over how much stregth output the sense of power is heavily diminished, saitima in his garou fight, if time didnt revert sitamas strength wouldve been permanent, so every sneeze, trip, slap, would destroy the earth on accident, while with db characters can switch between dimension shattering, to unable a door with the snap of a finger, or screaming really loud lmao, which is why op has a TRUE sense of strength and db is shit made up in the spot for me

wait what didnt saitama punch a universe out of existence

@@jesuscarter4048 when tf? 💀

@@jesuscarter4048 hahah ? wtf ?

@@jesuscarter4048 bro is making up shit now Tf💀💀👉👉🤡🤡

@@jesuscarter4048 you mean the Serious Punch² ?

LOL, that's what i'm gonna say.

Deadass unless opm makes a humongus jump db will still clap saitama atleast 80 -90% percent of the time especially since he hasnt even surpassed the anime yet not even dbz kai buu saga.

You kinda spitting right now

Spitting facts.

@Uno Block Because Goku claps? If you want to say Goku loses then prove it

That is false. He wasn't holding back, he was merely not using lethal techniques. Saitama straight up says that he should be excited about the fact that he was fighting someone that can get back up when he goes all out.

He was kinda holding back because he said I’ll only use one arm to defeat you

@@Payne_1 There is a difference between "holding back" as far as not taking full advantage of technique, and "holding back" as far as pulling punches. Yes, he could have used his other hand, and done better in the fight. However, he was punching as hard as he could with the one hand he was using (Saitama himself says, with internal dialogue, that Garou could take hits from him when he was going all out.). The issue is, people are trying to use this as evidence that Saitama is still only using a tiny fraction of his full power, but that is objectively untrue. I mean, his power at the end of the fight is obviously significantly higher than his power at the start of the fight, but that isn't what they are talking about.

@@ikeillue8385 he *was* holding back, without killing intent (sorta) because of the last promise tareo made to him. "Defeat him without killing him, please.." - Tareo

@@Flam_Is_Cool Yes, he was attempting to not use lethal force. But that doesn't mean he wasn't holding back. Its like in a UFC fight, they aren't trying to kill each other, but they absolutely aren't holding back. Saitama straight up says that he should be excited that he is fighting someone who he can go all out against, and they will still be able to get back up. You cannot say that Saitama wasn't trying, with out ignoring the canon material.

Well, technically he isn't wrong. Goku started out as a gag character for the first chapters

Goku is no longer a gag character while Saitama is still is. Saitama wins.

@@lowerc4e531 Saitama isnt a gag character.

@@cryingmetal9349 Saitama is a gag character.

@@lowerc4e531 Saitama isn't a gag character, he was shown struggling before the growth not to mention if he was a gag he wouldn't need to grow or fight somewhat serious at all

They simply destroyed some Stars not the solar systems.. there's a difference between destroying the entire solar system and destroying a single star.. Destroying a Star would Screw over a Solar System over time though.. but to be solar system level you will have to destroy the star and everything within the vicinity within the System.

@@elpopman2055 bro you're appealing to reality

THeres 1 problem, he destroyed qhadrillions of entire galaxies ripping a whole through space endlessly, that in itself is a astonoshing feat but it wouldve needed oxygen to happen since he didnt directly hit galaxies, , he litteraly ripped a whole through space with his bare hands, dont get me wrong , gokusolos opm verse besides saitama but saitamastill effortlessly destroyed quadrillions of galaxies with 1 punch and sneezed away a gasgiant, sorry if you disagree!

Bro because do you not understand that a sneeze should not be able to destroy a planet?

@@elpopman2055 goku has no feats above planetary level just numbers and people saying he can so using ur logic goku isn’t even galaxy level?

The thing is, thats irrelevant to the point. He didn't bleed, but he did react significantly to Garou's attacks, which tells us that Garou is causing a not insignificant amount of pain. Yes, he is only using one hand, but that doesn't mean he isn't punching as hard as he can with the hand he is using. You are also correct that he didn't have murderous intent, but that doesn't mean he wasn't going all out, it just means the attack he is throwing aren't being thrown in a lethal means (think a UFC fight. They aren't trying to kill each other, but would you really say they aren't going all out when they fight? No, they are going all out, they are just choosing to not use lethal techniques). The important point is that Saitama, while having an inner dialogue (so we know he isn't lying to his opponent, like he did with Boros), said that he should be excited, because he is fighting someone who he can go all out against, and they will still get back up.

I don’t think ur points matter but ok

That means nothing because garuo is nowhere near bas Goku he literally absorbed god into his base That was going to destroy the universe

@@rax1899 Your point even less

@@GhostWithAGun69 I didn’t state any points so I guess you’re right

But then you get scenes were goku gets downed with a simple laser gun, it's all super inconsistent.

As someone whose a fan of One Punch Man it's the same for me in a way. I don't like watching the "Who wins" because it's either Saitama obviously wins (All Might, Luffy, Whitebeard, etc.) or obviously loses (Superman, Goku, Jiren, etc.). It's also annoying seeing the shorts on RU-vid claiming Saitama beats characters way out of league (I've seen someone claim he beats Goku with Negative difficulty unironically, which made realise that 99% of shorts "who wins" will usually be biased bullshit)

@@thememeguy2195 I’ve seen someone say saitama is multiversal😐

@@braldocaCause he uses ki as durability and got shot while not having it around him.

@@Unknown-mo6ug this is mainly a joke but if we go by power scaling through feats in avatar the last airbender we have ty lee who uses a kind of martial arts known as Chi/ki (they're the same thing so the word is interchangeable) Blocking which involves striking pressure points to stop the flow of chi/ki so if we use that feat Ty Lee can strike Goku's pressure points disabling his flow of ki and leaving him defenseless and open to be shot in the heart and killed (keep in mind it is mentioned that ty lee can only do this because she knows so much about the human body and someone could try and argue that "since goku is an alien it wouldn't work on him" however due to the fact that gohan exists making it so scientifically saiyans are close enough to humans that they can interbreed perfectly fine with no repercussions making it so a saiyan is closer to human than an ape is thus the technique would work on him) With all this knowledge we can clearly see that Ty Lee is above goku since she has the ability to essentially one tap him into paralysis which would lead to his death/j

That's honest the anime's fault. In the manga they clearly explained blue. So the thing is Goku and vegeta only just learnt blue at that point and didn't have proper Mastery over blue (at this point vegeta was a little stronger) blue when stamina is drained and ki is controlled it's weaker than regular super saiyan sometimes (vegeta vs goku black manga it was explained during this). During the tournament arc both vegeta and goku mastered blue to a new level.

Yeah but it's a Lazer of someone who can destroy the universe (friezas) so it makes sense if it hurts him

Well, I can tell you right now that, regardless of power scaling, what you are talking about isn't canon. This never happened in the manga (I am fully caught up with the manga), and if you are talking about the web comic, well the web comic was written and drawn by One, so Murata had nothing to do with it. Which would raise the question of why One would draw god and Saitama watching someone who is completely unrelated to the project, draw the comic.

here I fully power scaled saitama's ability to grow and his limitless potential to be a key factor in the fight between him and goku if anyone is interested... evidence number 1: in one punch man manga chapter 56 dr Genus explains about saitama removing his limiter to grow infinitely: "In order to function, every living thing needs to have limitations placed on themselves, or else the immense power of a limitless being would drive them insane, but he( referring to saitama ) had removed his limiter." the part " immense power of a limitless being " refers to a being which had removed it's limiter, consequently, the said being can theoretically grow in power interminably and indissolubly evidence number 2: in one punch man chapter 168: this chapter explains it all pretty pretty clear. At some point during the fight between garou and saitama, both of them were on equal power levels, with each of them becoming stronger at a fast pace. Still, as the battle progressed, Saitama’s potential proved to be far superior to Garou’s, increasing his strength tenfold with each new attack( meaning in seconds ) according to garou: " each and every of his hits are getting stronger, one of these punches is going to kill me at this rate" the part " one of these punches is eventually going to kill me at this rate" is referring to his exponential growth in time, the reason garou wasn't keeping up, wasn't because he can't copy saitama's strength, but rather he can't copy him fast enough, because every time he does that, he is stuck with a weaker version of saitama, this is absolutely insane, it's like unlocking a new saiyan form every second evidence number 3: in the very same chapter (168) the narrator ( the voice of author ) stated: " even now his power is growing, and this time, the only one being able to observe his growth was getting completely left behind" the parts " even now " and " at this time " are referring to saitama had always been growing in power the part " he was completely getting left behind " is very interesting, I'll get to that in a sec, on the next panel the author showed a graph of saitma and garou growing in power, the interesting part is that, based on the graph and the statement I quoted, the more saitama grows in power, the faster saitama grows in power! Ik it sounds weird lol but allow me to explain.... in the graph, there are 2 Variables that are moving in relation to each other, time and power, the power is the y axis and time being x axis, the gradient of changes ( the growth rate: t2 ➖ t1 divided by p2 ➖ p1 ) is also changing with the time variant hence the p(power) and t(time) graphs are bent rather than straight, with those we can literally make a lim function in the graph and prove his rapid growth and limitless potential, since graph is bent, it shows in certain power point, the lim will rise almost along with y axis, we can make a lim function with that which is limx, t divided by x (x → t), Since the function approaches -∞ from the left but +∞ from the right, the limit does not exist. the growth rate having a close gradient to y axis demonstrably proves that not only saitma can grow his power limitlessly but also progressively( needless to say the graph's gradient and x consistency completely annihilats goku's increase in strength with his saiyan forms...duh)and and since it is stated directly in the manga with a reliable narrator, it is Yusuke Murata's own statements, repudiating it is committing death to author fallacy and it's completely invalid and indictable so that's that. evidence number 4: The Virtual Genocide System (VGS) is a headset designed by Dr. Kuseno. The headset is meant to catalog the data and simulates battles between the wearer and monster data stored in VGS. The VGS works by reading the brainwaves of the wearer, and simulates battles between the wearer and monster data stored in VGS. The wearer pictures the scenario and the scene of the fight in their head and VGS will carry it out in the simulation, with the resulting battle is visualized on an external monitor. Another feature of the VGS is the ability to create ghosts of the user. This is done by downloading the data of the user into the VGS and having the user fight his own ghost with the intention of strengthening the user's abilities. When Saitama fights himself from the day before based on the data collected, Saitama defeated himself in a single punch meaning: Saitama became significantly more powerful than he was yesterday, therefore saitama can increase his power even when he is doing nothing( I'm not counting those stupid trainings bc they are nothing is his power lvl, also we always see saitama sitting somewhere and just doing nothing ) this can be interpreted as an allegory that you should always strive to get better and never look back. If I remember, Saitama said something along the lines of “why would myself from yesterday be better than myself from the next day”. THAT, is the whole point of the show and its completely in line with saitama's power system. I can bring you more evidence of his limitless potential and how it far FAR surpasses goku's power increase in his saiyan forms in terms of growth rate( and therefore saitama beating him after a while in their fight is inevitable ) but I think I made my po

@@eghosaekhator3337 That's a big wall of text that can be countered in a very small argument. Goku has fought people with this sort of potential before. He would stop Saitama before his growth gets even close to becoming a problem. Seth said this in the video btw.

@@eghosaekhator3337 your third point stating that saitama grows faster than goku with no limits means nothing when goku starts the fight leagues above saitama. He was only able to be pushed to that point because garou was around his level of power

@@eghosaekhator3337 if Saitama gets stronger what stopping Goku from getting stronger have you seen the newest arc people are wishing to become the strongest and goku is able to match them over time so what makes you think only saitama will grow in a fight you satiama fans have the iq of a toddler

@@eghosaekhator3337 not reading allat🤣👎🏼

I mean it's not even just "not quite". He just gets absolutely shit-stomped by base Goku

Dude he is a downplayer bruh he never even mention saitama infinite time space in all planes of existance he is a downplayer seththeprogrammer knows saitama is 11D it have more writing for saitamam he is a downplayer breh

"quite" is quite the word you used there goku beeing high 4d is easily over infinitly stronger than saitama

@Xay Saitama is Buu saga level which is multi solar system to galaxy level. Of course DBS is universal to multiversal so yeah Saitama doesn’t stand a chance yet.

@@joshuaregis5550 sound like a clown saying that

ikr, too much people trying to cope in the comments saying things like "uuhg power scaling is so stupid go touch grass!11!1" or even worse, just see the top comments

No one that would care to

Funny because Whis said frieza isn’t even the strongest in the universe

@@MildsandThatYac he is, he was probably out of universe when training which is why the wish didn't apply to him (he is clearly stronger than both the people who were given the title and power of the strongest in the universe)

Watch him getting one shot by beerus next chapter smh I have lost all of my hopes for dragon Ball manga

@@MildsandThatYac Broly still exists

I think maybe they can't fly properly? The only times we see characters fighting in outer space is Beerus vs Champa iirc and they were using planets as footing to move around, so maybe flight doesn't really work without oxygen or another surface gas. Probably wrong, but it's an attempt at an explanation so that they can't leave the planet even if they can warp to the edge of the universe with their speed.

Ki control. Also we kind of do with Goku black who sliced reality and used it as a power source then heals it casually

To be honest, I hardly bother to care, since this isn't exclusive to Dragon Ball. The vast majority of series do not constantly show the sheer scale of how powerful they are, especially when breaching the planetary and universal thresholds of power respectively. Happens so often that I hardly bother to care about it.

Maybe because Goku actually isn't as strong as Seth makes him up to be.

@@dimitri4888 Unlikely. The same line of logic could be used for a lot of series. But it generally isn't that big of a deal, to be honest.

Not rlly, part of his purpose on manga/series is being a comedic strong guy.