Gold Experience Requiem Isn't BROKEN?! 

What Is This, a Crossover Episode? Lol. Nah but seriously i’m very grateful and thankful to be on here. I hope everyone has a Merry Christmas in the upcoming days, and a Happy New Year! 💚

No matter how broken ger is it can never deflect the emerald splash

*Fun fact:* In the novel "Over Heaven", it's revealed through Dio's journal that he knows about the existence of Diavolo, and how he plans to meet him once his feud with the Joestars is finally over. Imagine how the interaction between both bad guys would be like

29:00 My understanding of King Crimson's apparent inconsistency is that part of the time skip ability is to remove Diavolo not just from fate but from the law of cause and effect for it's duration. People are fated to take certain actions which in turn produce fated results; Diavolo in time skip isn't bound by fate, so he doesn't need to follow fate and provide the cause, but the effects of the actions he was fated to take still manifest (Trish's hand, Narancia's death). They occur automatically because that's what was meant to happen, Diavolo just went off script while reality wasn't looking to keep him in line. Equally, Diavolo cannot produce new effects in skipped time, hence why he typically cannot attack or be hit during it. The effects of his fated actions occur without him providing the cause, but no matter what causes he provides it won't produce an effect while within skipped time, hence where his intangibility comes from. He's basically a non-interactive entity, where everyone else loses all perception and autonomy in skipped time but still is able to act and have their normal fated impact on the world, Diavolo retains his ability to perceive the world and it's events as well as his ability to make conscious decisions, but forfeits his ability to meaningfully act upon them or be acted upon until time returns to normal.

Giorno - creates life and makes two identical stonefish. Jotaro - bursts into uncontrollably laughter.

Ngl, Diavolo's eternal death loop would be a perfect continuity tool. The boss suddenly appearing in "Crazy Diamond Heartbreak" or "Purple Haze Feedback" and then suddenly dying for random motives would proprely stablish those works as alternate reality stories

Did anyone else kinda think that Giorno's GE life punch ability is effectively just like Dio's time stop? Both have the ability the hold someone in place and make them completely vunerable to his attacks. The biggest difference is it's better for the user to deal with GE's life punch becauee all you have to do is avoid being directly hit. But the downside is once you do get hit you're forced to endure every subsequent punch at an agonizingly slow rate instead of the jump scare effect you get with time stop.

Im glad we get to see more JOJO scaling from you three, i love you three. Been with you Kaleb since end of 2017, so 6 years now.

The second the stand stats for Burning Down the House shown up, the gears in my brain started turning overtime connecting the dots to GER. Burning Down the House god tier stand confirmed.

Giorno, before defeating Diavolo, says, "Righteous actions born from reality will never be annihilated. Buccellati is dead and so are Abbacchio and Narancia… But their actions and their wills have not been annihilated. Now are your actions born of reality? Or are they born of superficial evil? We’re about to find out.” If someone fights for an evil cause, GER can do its thing. It is not in GER's nature to go against an act that someone else considers righteous. Suppose that Giorno knew he was in the wrong, or perhaps his enemy truly believed they were right. Given fate rewards those on a path of justice, like what the series covered and what Emporio stated, then the person fighting GER may stand a chance. Perhaps thats why Part 6 ended the way it did. Besides, requiem stands are a tool of fate, and are used to win in that specific moment. That's all.

This just goes to prove that JoJo content creators know less about the series than most people

The golden wind requiem slander is crazy

To me, the way GER's ability has always worked is like this- Since we only saw it activate once, during King Crimsons time erase, there must be rules to when it activates. First, we know Giorno doesn't know of RTZ, since GER said that not even Giorno is aware of the ability. Second, I have set three rules that I think all must be met for RTZ to activate. If even one isn't met, RTZ can't activate. 1. Time has to keep flowing. The only time we saw it activate, is during Time Erase, during which we know that time is still moving. This would mean that during Time Stop, it can't activate. 2. Giorno is unable to defend himself. Again, the only time we saw it activate, is when Giorno was unable to do anything and defend himself. So technically speaking, if he was able to defend himself, RTZ would have no use. 3. The enemy has to make a direct attack (projectiles don't count). What's considered a direct attack may vary - but for me, a direct attack is a punch, kick or anything like that. Since we saw King Crimson try punch Giorno, the ability kicked in. Like I said, this is what I always thought is the way RTZ works, it may be false, but for me, this is my Head Canon.

You have to consider that the stand stats for GER saying "none" and this for other stands would imply that it's either below or above all stand stats, obviously you would assume below but given statements about ultimate stands and that it's faster than what diavolo could precieve which would imply it's above

Don't do my boy GER like this.

Jobber? the same guy that said KC didn’t literally erase time despite araki himself confirming it? and if it didn’t literally erase time then explain narancia and risottos deaths?

Jobber really just hates GER

This is a great video and I totally agree with the main argument of this video for the most part but bro GER under enraged Crazy Diamond is so funny💀

I would say king crimson's ability is at least slightly more than erasing people's perception of time due to it being able defy what epitaph predicts, Which otherwise would be fated, And GER also undid the effects of what was predicted by epitaph so MAYBE GER can fuck with fate in some way but idk And I'm also gonna have to call some cap on GER needing to attack the opponent to activate it's ability, It was reverting Mista's bullets and some birds in the background without attacking them The whole ultimate stand thing is even more confusing, Star plat was around when GER was the "ultimate stand" in part 5, And then in part 6 after star platinum's ability didn't change in any meaningful way, It turns out star plat is the ultimate stand now?

Idk how accurate it is to scale by statements in jojos because how its written, but regarding GER, RTZ imo scales over fate. King crimson/Epitaph is a stand that can change fate for the user and the target which RTZ countered which would mean GER is beyond fate which could mean that againt time stop, of Jotaro attacks it could just cancel both of them out of stopped time. Stat vise i agree SP>GER, but low-ball for GER should be king crimson stats because of how requiem functions and i dont think that king crimson couldn't hurt Jotaro enough for death loop to start.

All that matters is Can GER reverse time stop? If yes, he wins

So he established that ger was able to operate in king crimson’s time skip but assumes ger wouldn’t be able to do that to time stop?

Dont cook again. Basically the entire video: "The stairs look blue but are they actually blue? The stairs next to them are red, the stairs look violet in the dark what did the stairs look like before? Do the stairs always look blue?" Bro look at the stairs, what color are they? Because theyre definitely not black

2:48 u can't scale king crimson to silver chariot in speed, because of the colisium enconter Diavolo only needed to attack, because (as obvious) he can think during time skip At the same time Polnareff needed to see the blood, think about it and did a 360 attack Polnareff did more in less time And u can aply the same to the first fight they had Diavolo used time skip do avoid silver chariot's, i would argue that he did it because he couldn't deal with it fisically

I can sense the mess that is going to unfold

Ah jobber the king of frauds Bro deadass still on his clown arc

The 5 star d1 hating from Jobber is Insane😭

The fact Rohan has a better Stand than Gerno is just WILD to me

Yeah. There’s a lot of issues with this video. Jobber says GER can’t damage Jotaro enough when life givers punches in base GE would kill Jotaro if more than 3 landed and just 1 would disorient him based on the Bruno fight(it’s dura neg), GER is stated to be a complete upgrade on all GE’s base powers so Jotaro would be cooked if he landed hits. The second would be the activation has a speed set and that it isn’t passive even though Jobber’s own argument is that the stand stats are referencing the power not the Stands actual stats of the stand itself. So how is speed “none” yet it needs time to activate where supposedly Star platinum would blitz it? The Stats is also weird as Jobber assumes that even if SP is better that GER wouldn’t scale relative even though KC scales above Polnarieff (by his own admission in strength and speed) and is stated “First class” in those 2 stats yet Requiem completely blitzed him (even with epitaph) 3 different times and one of those was when it was still in it’s shell, so he needed to break the shell and then blitz him so bad he didn’t know where it went 😂. The argument of it needing to damage people to a certain point goes against the stat page where it states “anyone struck with this power will have EVEN their death returned to 0” meaning that just getting hit with RTZ will turn everything including death to 0 not “if hit enough times”. If RTZ needed something or a condition to activate then it wouldn’t be the “ultimate stand ability” like its stated to now would it? Since stopped time and even things like Time Erasure don’t have anything like that. Could go over more such as the Giorno in part 6 thing being added after the part was already done so GER (which might not even be active anymore due to the arrow not being inside Giorno’s stand anymore)shouldn’t really face scrutiny for being in a part where SP is hyped up as the strongest and it’s only bringing up the possibility of him being in Florida since it’s stated that he was too strong to be gravitated towards Pucci like the rest of DIO’s kids. Long vid

Seeing Star platinum vs Beat Ger is kinda weird because the req arrow is stated to just booost your stand and seeing jotaro beating a req stand 1 vs 1 I don’t see that happening i know Scr has been defeated by normal stand but scr required a whole team of people to beat it

JOJO scalers when they have no content turn to slandering something thats strong by saying its weak challenge: impossible

31:11 viva riviere eat your heart out that was the best way to explain the elevator ive ever heard

This is how I know I am not into the whole power scaling thing at all, because this whole conversation feels like that dismissive "curtains are blue" scenario, but instead of arguing about the meaning of the curtains, it's like trying to figure out how expensive the curtains are or whether or not curtains are better than shutters and what that could mean for whoever bought the curtains. It feels like the conversation gets so far away from the narrative that I just don't understand the appeal in having it.

No my boy on fraud watch

Against GER there's also one problem with, you know, KC not being able to attack during time skip, so when Diavolo tried to attack Giorno, it was outside time erasure, so there are no feats supporting that GER could even react in time skip, not to mention time stop. Cuz unlike with time skip, time stop actually allows you to freely interact with everything, which with GER having zero feats to have ability to do anything in time stop, he should just get donuted during it. Also its fastest reaction feats are just against KC outside of time skip, which is honestly nothing to Made in Heaven even Silver Chariot could do that, so MiH should just speedblitz with combat and reaction speed. In my list, GER is 7th, cuz imo it's: 1. Soft and Wet: Go Beyond 2. Wonder of U 3. Tusk act 4 4. D4C: Love train 5. Made in Heaven 6. Star Platinum/The World 7. Gold Experience Requiem 8. King Crimson It's just above KC in my eyes, cuz that's really where he gets furthest with feats. I already explained why it loses to SP and Made in Heaven for me. Tusk act 4 just has higher dimensionality and scaling of revert to zero just wouldn't affect Tusk since it's just universal at max. Also Tusk should speedblitz cuz just by being 4D you're way above concepts of speed in 3D, it just speedblitzes anything below multiversal range. GER operates under logic so it should lose to Wonder of U too and Go Beyond is just direct counter, you can't revert something that doesn't exist. The only problematic one is D4C,cuz GER vs D4C is basically stalemate, but D4C beats way more stands on this list than GER, that's why it's above GER.

Bro literally has a CAP on his "avatar" Gordon Ramsay would have a stroke if he saw this mans cooking.

Damn this was fun to watch but each time Silver Chariot and Chariot Requiem is brought up it makes me wonder how powerful a hypothetical fully controlled Silver Chariot Requiem would be. Like he'd probably still get slapped by most other really strong stands but I think it's just cool to think about.

I always figured GER reverts you to 0 if you try to attack it.

I love these group colabs.

**Click the video* **See Jobber* **Close the video*

Jobber really doing the most after getting his head beat in 37 times on the GER topic

I'm just gonna say, the fact that you need this long to make an extremely convoluted argument as to why GER isn't fate-breaking and OP, whereas Araki only needed like 3 scenes to *obviously* tell us that GER IS fate-breaking and OP, shows that you're obv in the wrong. Jobber, you're the fraud here. Edit: Also, like, relying on stand stats are just made up and you know that.

On King Crimson his powers can't be perception because he's intangible during time erase. To clarify it means there's nothing physical to interact with because you can't interact with time. Other things if perception was only erase characters would still know what they did within the 10 seconds of time erasure as soon as it ended since things still happened. Lastly, you can't avoid fate if your ability is only perception needs to be something higher than that like literally erasing time

THE POTENTIAL MAN CONVERSATION

Alright man, ima be honest I don’t really see GER being that weak I still see it at around the WOU, SaW GB level. (Not saying it is necessarily stronger than them). I understand from a scaling standpoint this holds some facts but from a narrative standpoint I don’t really seeing GER being this weak.

It's such a silly conversation to have. Every ability in fiction of this format is essentially unquantifiable, and with GER in Part 5 it holds particularly true, as it counts as a "story breaker power". Its stated ability is essentially "anything you do has no effect", and saying that "this wouldn't be affected because [reason]" is insubstantial because that's the headcanon of the person currently discussing it. In presented canon, there was not anything that "wouldn't be affected". The only exception in shown material (which is not exactly canon) is World over Heaven. It all depends on the person currently telling the story, and if they want to say "GER's powers don't work on X because Y", then it won't work, or in the opposite case, the storyteller will say "yes, GER's powers work on literally anything including other story breaker powers because [reason]". Arguing it with concepts such as "number of dimensions", "4D abilities" and "multiversal" vs "universal" is just pedantry that people who are way too invested into fanfiction dwell into. Analysing concepts of a story are cool, doing "can X defeat Y" is silly when you state it to be subjective and downright embarrassing when you're trying to make it an objective statement.

I'm thriving for this exposee bc this is how I felt the entire time

Oh lord jobber 😭😭😭

3:36 i Know Jobber already saying BS. RTZ doesn't "messing up time" It was reversing causality and fate! If it was indeed TIME, GER could just reverse time when all his friends still Alive and the part 5 result would be completely different.

GER is a counter ability: It prevents reality manipulation and time altering abilities.

Happy holidays to me😂 goated video and collaboration. I'm glad my GER Downplay is FINALLY mainstream 😂

I'm really having trouble to trust these powerscaling discussion when everyone throws around the "faster than light" thing willy nilly. Aside from time altering stands, I don't see how any stand from Jojo could be described as faster than light. Sometime it's because a character *says* it is without any backup, sometime it's because of bad assumptions (mainly around Hanged Man). But it really hurt the credibility of the whole

Part 3 Jotaro wins any fight, high diff with that thick plot armor. Part 4 or part 6 Jotaro, however, stands no chance

The whole thing about "it's said to be the strongest" strikes me as a convention of Japanese writing where it seems even if they make that sort of statement it's generally something they're using as hyperbole. You can see the phrase "strongest" thrown around in in-universe statements, guides or marketing and it doesn't matter if it's directly contradicted. Even historically, there's cases where, as an example, if you look at the claims like multiple people being said to be "the strongest swordsman of the Shinsengumi" or "the strongest general of the Sengoku era."

I think when they say "Ultimate Stand" I feel like its more of a "This is THE stand of all time, this one is what you should think of when you think STAND"

I always thought time stop was the best time manipulation ability and star platinum is broken. It had to be nerf where the length didn't increase like Dio did. Honestly I definitely see star platinum the world over GER when you understand how it works especially with how time erasure is. Just star platinum stats is broken

Omg the big 3 there in 1 video

One of the things i like about JJBA is that power scaling is kinda thrown out, because it's more about cleaver and smarts (but honestly mostly narrative) over raw strength. Because it's about creativity, story telling and not just punching super hard, that's why we have dragon ball for.

Im so glad the jojo community is chill as fuck because if this was any other anime fanbase ip addresses would be sent flying with this video title alone lmao

Giorno does not need to land a hit to use RTZ anyway. Also GER can react in erased time, it isn't a huge stretch for it to revert stopped time as well. GER acts autonomously and instantaneously. Jotaro is never landing a punch. On the subject of being unable to hit Jotaro, after being returned to zero, Diavolo seemed to be completely unable to defend himself. That is just speculation though, he could have just been too gobsmacked to do anything at all.

Seeing jobber on kaleb's channel is so so surreal in the best way possible

Jotaro: STAR PLATINUM ZA WARUDO Ger: Nuh uh

GER Fans when Giorno can't even solo his own verse, nevermind all of fiction:

Would love you guys together talkin more about Jojo! 😊

In the immortal words of Stan Lee: Whoever the writer wants to win will win.

SCR has this funny thing where, if you remove the arrow from its grip, it loses the Requiem effect. GER's ability specifically stops attacks, and has the arrow just... Sittin' on its face. Removing the arrow, something not inherently part of GER, wouldn't be an attack. Therefore, you could make a good case that Star Platinum/The World could pluck the arrow off of GER to turn the fight into "Star Platinum/The World Requiem vs. Golden Experience". This assumes that GER works like SCR when the arrow is removed. I'd say it'd make sense that it'd have a similar weakness to the only other Requiem in the series, but there's admittedly no hard evidence that that'd be the case due to how little we actually see of GER.

This video is me with voices discussing the most random bullshit in the middle of the night.

7:05 i always looked at it as an anime error and what actually happends is he throws the blood and resumes it so the blood in the air lands in their eyes right after

So GER is a powerscaling meme?

Goated video from the 3 goats.

I understand what Jobber is saying, I do. I get that the lack of feats is pretty frustrating as well, hell I would have liked to see more from GER. I still think GER narratively is the strongest Stand even beyond WoU or Go Beyond. Sure, I have no actual feats to back it up, but I'm a believer of narrative weight. It is what it is. If you want to look at it purely feats wise, then you do you.

GER man, this was a long time coming. Never expected Kaleb one of the GER guys to make the video. Fire collab.

I still think ger is an overall better a better combate stand as ger has more match-up advantages and higher match-up advantages angest most stands for example starplatuim can still lose to other stands ger will have a better high Cance of beating commen stands like super fly death 13 bug eaten ect... so if your fighting a random stand user and you could pick between starplatuim and ger ger will be the better choice even if it's weeker in power scaling than starplatuim it has a higher chance of winning more stands starplatuim does.

I had an idea for a video, you could talk about the duality between the final villains of universe reset, while the D4C Love Train brings good and wards off any evil from Valentine, the Wonder of U, uses calamity to attack and bring the “ bad” to a person, and I would also like to ask you, in your opinion, would Wonder of U work on Love Train?

GER is above star platinum on the usefulness tier list anyways (you could make part of the medical industry obsolete with the powered up base ability of life giving) there's only one star platinum and only one wonder of u and there's a bazillion other stands that would be more interesting as matchups for giogio and GE even if they were easy wins and absoluteness isn't the point, power scaling stupid, the clever use of average or weak stands is more interesting interesting discussion yes calling GER broken or the strongest stand is an exaggeration unless someone can prove ger can avoid time stop (probs never happening)

Callab of the Joskies😭🙏🔥🔥

I’ve been saying for years that king crimson only erases perception of time. My opinion, it’s the only way his abilities make sense.

Based on the title. CAP I would like to retract my previous statement. I'm convinced.

i wish there was someone like Hamon Beat for Dragon Ball. Toriyama likewise has a notorious reputation (esp in english speaking fandom) for being forgetful/having forgot things that he didn't.

Im surprised noone put Hamon Beat in this call

Saying GER is weak is asinine it completely disregards the narrative behind it. It is ether top 1 or top 3 of what most of the fandom would consider canon. Jobber is just a D 1 hater.

Get these boys an anime podcast

It is.

My headcannon is that SP is as strong as Jotaro believes he is. The first stand barrage against Dio caused SP to begin to evolve (oh if he can fly I should be able to because our stands are very similar). And this also explains why he isn’t as strong in pt4, he sees a new threat as stronger than the last because that pattern was burned into his brain in pt3, and because he didn’t train and stuff he would assume that he’s weaker due to that mindset (he never got to fully grasp his stand’s potential). This would also explain why DIO was able to use timestop so early, he assumed that his stand would be the strongest due to his narcissism, so he got the TS dlc early

Few things GER stats are none because they haven't been tested/used is in battle (like in part 3 where it would show question marks on unknown/new stands) and only GER (and the person getting folded) is aware of its power its an automatic stand Also I would assume GER also has similarities to sea moon and MIH with gravity control and being able to float mid air so it wouldn't be to far fetched to say he can see in stopped time and react once it's over Now GER vs Star platinum the range and abilitys ger has would overwhelm jotaro because while shooting beams from a far range away and flying and when those beams hit anything around jotaro turn into creatures that will attack him on command funny enough he wouldn't have time to focus of attacking GER and defending his main body from the animals he'd create also he can't attack those animals or he'd get rocked even if he used time stop we seen that against pucci and the rat in part 4 it can be worked around by thinking of your plan of attack with time stop in mind jotaro has lost multiple times because people put him in the position to use time stop and had an plan of attack once it's over and he doesn't have time to react and gio is definitely smart enough to come up with that same plan he basically gets trapped in a double win tic tac toe strat if he doesn't use time stop gg if he does delays the inevitable then gg Once GER gets one single hit he's able to use revert to zero so just like when diavolo got hit GER came down to beat him to near death KingC tried to use the ability it got reverted then he beat him and used death loop so once jotaro gets hit no more time stop he'd lose instantly GER knows it didn't have the physical power advantage so it used range and high grown until it knew it won Alright think I covered everything I'm not going back to read all that so just comment any questions or concerns 👍🏾 Tldr GER wins against Star platinum and its not even close

Pocoloco's stand counters Wonder of you

i'm in danger

"Its too long if i whip out the whole thing" 💀

14:00 - GER ability cancels intent - you have to be above concept of intent/fate/casuality or way to bypass intent like being machine or something - not sure if the latter works. This isn't gonna happen. And even if it's not passive does it doesn't get speedblitzed - it is about as fast as SP, let alone be speed blitzed to the point that it can't activate in time. Also- SP won't be able to one shot it anyway. For half and hour this guy be like "Let's just forget how GER works alright guys?". And the other just agreed lol.

Jobber needs to keep anime out his mouth

You guys its entertaining and stuff but you forget about the most important thing : THE PLOT 😊❤

If giorno Giovanna had made wooden armors made be his stand he chould give his team protection that reflects damage to enemies.

38:33 LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

I've said this and more reasons why GER isn't even close to as strong as people say it is in comments on other videos from these youtubers.

So it's like the Phoenix Illusion Demon Fist from Saint Seiya?

As we see from Diavalos premonition, GER is still slower than KC after a timeskip.

Would you do hamon vs stands vs spin please?

Ay didn't that gober gobet guy try arguing that Sp has fate manipulation?

ALLMIND is for all mercenaries.

podcast moment