The Long Night happened everywhere. considering all stories from all over the world have the same description. a night that lasted practically forever and it was cold as hell with monsters
What if westeros got the white walkers as it is connected to the lands of always winter but essos got weird strange creatures from the shadow lands as virtually nothing is known about the shadow lands. And when the sorcerer who caused the long night performed the spell maybe it was a signal for all creatures of the dark to come forth.
@@johkupohkuxd1697 that maybe true but it did from "demons" and is now used to protect Yi-Ti from things from the Grey waste. This sounds like the wall and all the castles now in disrepair along the wall, the forts have lost their original purpose which could be to hold of " demons" from the shadow lands and Grey waste.
Thats the main reason that makes me believe that essos is connected to the white waste in the north,withc connects with the lands of always winter and westeros
An oily black stone, found all over the world, whose origins are unknown... In Essos, groves of black Shade-of-the-Evening trees noted for their black wood and strange, oily sap, sap which seems to be a direct counterpart to the weirwoods' own blood-like paste. The same weirwoods whose white wood is noted for turning into a pale stone after a few thousand years and which never, ever rots....
Indeed, there does seem to be some sort of parallel connection between the two tree types. Drinking the Shade-of-the-Evening gives visions of the Future, while eating the Weirwood paste lets the greenseers look into the Past.
@@raaaaaaaaaam496 So? Lots of other things in ASOIAF are made with oily black stone. It seems pretty commonplace. Fused black stone (melted basalt) is only noted in a few locations and is always associated with dragon fire. I'm just speculating that the oily black stones are actually petrified Shade-of-the-Evening wood.
@@berserkasaurusrex4233 I know I’m just saying the five forts aren’t and that’s pretty crucial as it means it’s not connected to the drowned gods and the deep ones (and the Squishers maybe??)
Is it just me or does anyone else not want to see anymore Westeros in the Game of Thrones prequel series? Personally I would much rather see unexplored areas of the world like Yi-Ti, the Summer Isles, Sothoryos, or Asshai.
In the case of the works of George R.R. Martin, less is more. He has said in interviews that he doesn't want to delve further into all the mysterious places of his magical world. He wants them to remain mysterious for us readers and show watchers to wonder about. The lesser we know about these places, the more we wonder and fantasize about what it's like there.
@@truenordic788 i understand that with the Shadowlands, the Basilisk Isles, Sothorys, but with Yi Ti he's already given us an entire history about. Theres not much thats a mystery about it. Its just feudal Japan.
The Long Night is actually like the Flood Myth in our understanding in reality. Flood Myths have different stories in different culture, but i think flood Myths is based on real events that happened 10 to 20 thousand years ago.
@@atharvvir I am a Hindu, and what u said is incorrect. Homosexuality is very clearly banned in the Dharmasastras, especially the Manusmriti and Vishnusmriti. The theological basis for this lies in the Bhagavad Gita, among other texts, which states that the purpose of s3x is for procreation, not baser pleasure. Any examples of non-straight behavior in the Hindu mythos are portrayed in a bad light contextually speaking, usually in the form of the result of a curse, etc.
user 01 comparatively to other religions, sanatan dharma is at least more flexible when it comes to sexuality. The manusmriti might have some minor fines, but nothing serious like stoning to death prescribed by other texts in other religions. Moreover, many sculptures in ancient temples show homosexual acts. And the Shruti and smriti are pretty vague on the topic, and don’t explicitly say it’s outright a ‘sin’. Also, the kamasutra, clearly mentions ‘tritya prakriti’ or third nature, which is basically today’s term ‘LGBT’ But the Kamasutra mentions it as a *nature* not an *abomination* Lord Krishna says in the bhagvat Geeta: I am equal to all living beings; no one is hated by me and no one is beloved. Moreover, Hinduism allows people to have materialistic attachments if they want, whilst those who don’t can see the bigger picture and understand the universe better and aim for moksha. They don’t need to have sex as they have transgressed material desires, such as pleasure. But people who are homosexual or straight, but enjoy sex, still have a materialistic attachment to pleasure or kam, which is okay, but until they don’t realise materialistic things have no significance in the bigger picture, they won’t attain Mukti. And Hinduism states sex should also be taken for pleasure, not only family duties “Indian mythology is a wonderful way to introduce gender into conversations at home. Tell your child stories of these characters, known for their gender fluidity..” While the reproductive connection between man and woman has always been honoured, homosexuality and LGBT themes have been documented through ancient literature and folk tales, art and performing arts alike. Essentially because gender is often seen as an idea, a belief, a conviction, the sweep and scale of which can be seen through the diverse characters, each extraordinary and unusual, even though all this doesn’t matter in again, the bigger picture. Many Hindus believe that sensual pleasure is one of the four legitimate goals to be sought in life. Kama includes sexual pleasure and sex is considered a good thing to be enjoyed, but within certain boundaries. Self-control is an important aspect of Hindu teachings, for example not to have thoughts of lust at specific times when not appropriate, at not to people like let’s say your mother, brother, sister, uncle etc. (OBVIOUSLY) But sex *can be taken for pleasure, not only for family continuation*
The Crunch everything u said contradicts scripture. Yes, there is no death penalty for homosexuality, but it is still an offense. Furthermore, the Kama sutra isn’t a holy text, it’s simple a obscene work written by a man born into a house of ganikas, or courtesans. And if u think sex for the purpose of pleasure is allowed within Hinduism, u clearly haven’t read the Gita. Lastly, regarding the khajuraho sculptures, were not even really sure if the complex was even a religious place, and it very well could have been the result of some king’s horny fantasies. Please refrain from spreading falsehoods about Sanatan Dharma on RU-vid www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/7/verse/11 imgur.com/a/UugXn5L
Like how those flood stories are from the end of the ice age, areas like Tasmania’s bridge and many kilometres into the coast along much of Australia were all swallowed up, and the same happened world wide. Also what the hell is this comment section, all you religious individuals arguing over which one had better magical gods/god. Homosexuality is fine who gives a fuck, if anything it slightly helps with overpopulation, but being accepting of gays in a religion doesn’t make your religion much better, you still all cause conflict and death throughout the ages, abandon all gods and any religious beliefs, focus on this world’s past, present and future, you can discover who’s right when you’re dead (unless there is no afterlife in which case you won’t discover anything, but simply cease to exist)
Love how in the ASOIAF world, they seem to be in a perpetual state of medieval times. Literally no advancements in technology for thousands of years. No advancements in societal structure. Just straight up feudalism that doesn't get any less brutal with time.
I guess it is easier to portray those grotesque things in medieval antourage. For instance, by any stretch i can not imagine public beheding on town's square now in xxi century, even in the most hard core totalitarian country.
U mean just like our real world where civilizations have been around for thousands of years and we just got good technology in the last 600 years lmaoo
@@SouthJerzVillains "Good technology" lol tf? What "good technology did we have 600 years ago? The industrial revolution happened less than 200 years ago. Society has progressed for the last 2000 years. Humans have made technological and social progress as the centuries go on. Limited government, less slavery, life expectancy, philosophy, social progress, all of that has taken place over the centuries. In ASOIAF, they are literally going on thousands of years with ZERO advancements in tech and society. We had feudalism for what 500 years.. they've been stuck on it for thousands with no change whatsoever
And also Deep Ones, and Toad stone and Blac Goat :D And City of the Winged Man is a tribute to Robert E. Howard similarly Stygai which is an anagram of Stygia one of the countries in Howard's Hyperborean world, that particular one was very ancient and well known for its connections with dark magic and necromancy.
just dropping this comment to say yours and altshift x's game of thrones content is mmy favourite, and I think the best out there. keep up the good work my dude!
Yiti cant be chinese empire becuz he stated in the beginning of the video that its the FIRST place that civilization existed in and we all know from history that first civ wasn't in china.. u could say yiti is Babylon or Mesopotamia or even the sumarians
Westeros is europe, essos and uthos are mixed of africa, middle east, and east and south Asia. Southorios is southeast Asia and oceania. Shadow land symbolizes the unknown world or the undiscovered knowledge in george r.r martin's head. Meanwhile, the west of westeros must be also another undiscovered continent just like America.
Reven Augustian Westeros is more the British Isles, Andalos would probably be the closest to Western Europe, France, while the rest slowly turns into Asia Minor or the steppe
@R K I hear what your saying, but the author GRRM has incorporated large parts of his fantasy world based on actual historic and geographic events in the real world. He is a huge history buff, and much of the kingdoms, lands, family rivalries, wars, politics, lore etc are influenced by our own history, myths, creatures , and legends. That's part of what makes ASOIF so captivating, because even though it's this fictional world, the events, and characters are very heavily influenced by our own earths history. The original commenter IMO was correct in correlating similarities in Yi-Ti with that of ancient China. Even Southyros, the huge land mass unexplored and vaguely mentioned in the saga is based on our own continent of South America, covered in jungles and floral overgrowth which have swallowed up any remnants of past civilizations that have inhabited the region.
@@syedshakaibanwar2698 It is cleared that some kinds of society system did exist back in the time period, since they have found bronze artifacts from those time, and evidence of human/animal sacrifices are found, there are even saying that indicate the idea of "Mandate of Heaven" is developed during this time. However, due to the lack of written text (oracle bone doesn't exist during the age of Xia, the founding of supposed written text remain debatable since they are closer to simple signs), there is no direct proof of historical record during the time. Another more indirect indication of the existence of this period is the great flood, which is recorded in many different cultures across the earth. The founder of Xia, Emperor Yu is said to be the one that cured the flood by constructing massive engineering project that is aided by gods. Many of the description are 100% myth, though the existence of the a unified society can be confirmed, it is just unclear whether it could be considered as a Chinese imperial "Dynasty", since it is still in a primitive stage.
People from Yi Ti will be in "Empire of Ash", the Doom of Valyria prequel TV series. We MIGHT actually see Yi Ti itself in it - not as a recurring location, but maybe as like a cameo in a later season or something. OR, more probably, in a flashback - they said there would be flashbacks. So maybe a later season could have one of the characters FROM Yi Ti remembering it in a flashback scene.
The Bone Mountains represents the Himalayas, the Five Forts are like the Great Wall of China, Yiti represents China and the little peninsula near Leng Island represents Korea. The Plains of Jogos Nhai represents the nomadic, horse-riding people in the plains of Mongolia (who in history repeatedly attacked China and established the Yuan dynasty) and Leng Island represents Japan and the modern Leng Islanders come from Yitish descent (just like the Japanese from Chinese) and the Southern Leng islanders who are considered natives of the island are like the Ainu people of Hokkaido, Japan. *I see what you did there, GRRM.*
I can’t stop watching these videos. Haven’t read the whole series but I’m listening to the books here on RU-vid. I don’t have time to read with my small kiddos.
I personally think the Long Night was all things, creatures etc that are evil and dark, not just the Others. The Others just happen to be the dark creatures of Westeros that lived far up north. The Others do not bring the Long Night, they are just one of the Long Night’s many evil beings
@@andersbjrnsen7203 In thr ASOIAF universe technological progress is practically non existent… that world would stay in the feudal era for all of eternity
@@BuRsTiNxMLB I think the only progress ever mentioned is the transistor from bronze to steel(imported with an invading culture) and the invention of wildfire. Medieval Stasis indeed!
How about The Wall? History of how it was built and an in depth look at all the castles? There are as many stories about The Wall, The Night's Watch, and their castles as The Iron Islands, for sure! Great work! I'm loving your vids!
The city of Carcosa, with a "King in Yellow", also has some connection to the whole Lovecraft/Cthulu mythos, although it's more of a thing he borrowed from previous writers and incorporated into his own.
I think that Yi Ti lore contains clues about SoIaF endgame and on the origins of many aspects of its lore. IMO ruling caste of the Great Empire of the Dawn were people whom we can call "Protovalyrians". Their empire fell because of the deeds of Bloodstone emperor who maybe wanted to become a god like first emperor. Think he used to that end blood magic whith which he brough a Long Night... and the dragons. Dragon hatching involves sacrifice. Long night destroyed the empire, Protovalyrians scatered. Think it is plausible that blood magic in Westeros brought White Walkers while in the east, the dragons (ice and fire). Also I think that due to Bloodstone emperor blood magic, his "curse" or something like that was brought on Valyrians thanks to which they are able to control dragons. Their nation fell to obscurity but regained greatness after rediscovery of that "ability" The clue about "Protovalyrians" comes from house Dayne, they have Valyrian features but Martin explicitly stated that they have no Valyrian descent and didn't intermarry with Targs. So maybe they sprung directly from Great Empire of the Dawn? Their sword forged from fallen star is also suspicious. Think it has something to do with black stone or maybe even original Lightbringer....
So basically every ancient civilization was superior fair haired, fair eyed and fair skinned people ruling over inferior colored people? Hmmmmmmm.....why does this sound like some 19th century racialism?
I hope George gives us more information about Yi Ti, Sothoryos, and The Shadow in The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring; you can’t just create these vast, mysterious, end exotic locations within your own eon spanning history and only have them referenced in a single companion book and not in the main series. Even if the main character’s never see them in person I believe that Martin intends to at least have them referenced more directly in the coming books.
I like how Martin tipped his hat with Carcosa and their yellow god. And the old ones that cause insanity to the west, the whole region is a big homage to those forbidden knowledge horror stories of Chambers, Lovecraft, Karl Edward Wagner and several others.
I always wondered why the Lion of Night is depicted wearing a toga when Yi Ti is the equivalent to China during what I can assume is the Romance of the Three Kingdoms period.
Well, it's how people in the west depict the Lion of Night in their artwork....based on fuzzy, inaccurate reports they have about Yi Ti. Like how people and things from China were drawn in medieval European manuscripts - inaccurate, and in the local art style. So "unreliable narrator" - the real Yi Ti probably doesn't look like this.
As the previous comment has elaborated, it is possible that got exagerated through word of mouth and inaccurately depicted by foreigners. If anything the Lion of the Night should more closely resemble the Chinese guardian lions commonly found in pagodas. Eg: i0.wp.com/www.aptass.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/20090628181419__mg_07361-1365x910.jpg
I kinda get that romance of the three kingdoms vibe as well. Maybe there's a bit of warring states period influence, considering the number of individuals claiming to be God Emperors.
it's funny and interesting how the world of game of thrones is so diverse some places like yi ti feel like another planet like the civilizations are so separated just like the old days before discovering new continents
I just found your channel and its awsome but could you make playlists of your video groups like these map deep dives? I love the lore of fantasy worlds and after learning a lot about essos my mind is just blown and with there still being 2 other continents its a full sensory overload for me rn 😂
The shadow men who would invade is something I had missed. That's something to think about, where they from Ashai? The people who are talked about there are few so don't sound like someone capable of invading. So who are the Shadow Men? We may never know is a very likely answer.
After some research on the Shadow Lands I think I have a bit more of an understanding of them they are described to have their whole body in tattoos and where wooded lacquer masks(sound like anyone) and to be apart of pirating/reaving. One interesting thing is the only people it references other then a city Stygai which is very reminiscent of Asshai, but also that there was an ancient people to tame dragons here who are said to be so old they have no name. Very interesting. Could these nameless ones be the ancestor's to these Shadow Men. Could these Shadow Men once been very powerful deep in the histories of the Dawn Age.
@@andersbjrnsen7203 Robert W. Chambers, Late 19th century... Inspired Lovecraft and dozens of authors with The King in Yellow. That's where Carcosa and all that originally came from. Mostly he was a romance writer, but his small horror offerings helped form the whole genre.
The story of the Civilization of the dawn reminds me of some stories of Atlantis, the long night being the parallel of the destruction of Atlantis, believed to be brought on by people beginning to use black magic
Honestly it would so cool if the people of yi ti managed to tame dragons like the valerians and that their dragons looked more Asian inspired that would be awesome
I’m so fascinated by the greasy black stone. But I know that an explanation would destroy the mystique that makes it so fascinating. Kind of a catch-22.
We'll actually see Sothoryos in the "Empire of Ash" prequel TV series. We knew already that the Valyrians conquered all the Ghiscari colony cities in Sothoryos during the Fourth Ghiscari War. Thousands of years later, just before the Doom, the now-Valyrian province on the north coat of Sothoryos are sort of like Roman North Africa. Their regional capital is of course Zamettar, the big port at the mouth of the main river. It became the biggest trade hub in the Summer Sea. Something like a third to a half of the TV series will be set there (think like King's Landing and Winterfel; the capital and the province in revolt; this time it's Valyria and Zamettar). I got the impression that....well, we already knew that the trade circle to Yi Ti and back goes clockwise, due to ocean currents and winds for trading ships. So ships going east need to pass Qarth on the north side of Great Moraq. Well, logically, looking at a map....we also know most trading ships hug the coasts instead of sailing across open water (only the Summer Islanders do that). So...merchant ships returning FROM Yi Ti back to Valyria...have to pass the Cinnamon Straits south of Moraq. Well, then what? Heading to Valyria, they'd sail along the north coast of Sothoryos….past Zamettar. So Zamettar became very wealthy, sort of like the southern version of Qarth. Sothoryos in the prequel series won't be like the description given in ASOIAF: emphasize in your video that the stories about it being monster-filled jungles are just traveler's tales; the STEREOTYPES that people in Westeros have about it. Like how medieval Europeans had stereotypes about "darkest Africa" and didn't really think of the Mali Empire and such. As Yandel admitted, "We cannot claim to know Sothoryos well".
hey man i love your videos keep making great GOT content, keep us all busy while we wait for the books and show to get finished, would love to hear video aboutbhouse dayne
I want a spin off show about the places east of the bone mountains. Include the Ibbeneese for fun. It would basically be Asian game of thrones with more dark magic.
There are four main islands: Walano, Omburu, Jhala, and Koj. I wrote up a lot of the Westeros Org Wiki article on it when AWOIAF sourcebook first came out.
The Bloodstone Emperor could end up being the book version of the Night King. Just saying, it’s possible. Especially if these events are actually all connected like we’re being made to believe. Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if this place ends up being brought up in either a Monroe or significant way in the books. Perhaps even getting a book series of its own, made by someone other than George R.R Martin.
I’d like a yi ti vs valaryia dragons vs giants apes and basilisks and magic, also the old ones sound like they could be cousins or related to children of the forest in some way.
In Chinese, 'qi' is pronounce like 'chi', not like 'ki', as Chinese city of Chonqing is like /ˌtʃʊŋˈtʃɪŋ/. I know this is freak stuff but we are all here watching this video so...
Considering that not even the valyrian freehold and their hundreds of dragons didn't manage to conquer that far, I really doubt she can do anything even if she was resurrected.
Had been cool if the Yi Ti became a empire like the Han Dynasty. Assembling a vast army, sweeping through all corners of Essos and eventually sets their eyes to Westeros. OFC, they need to control the Shadow Lands and beyond the Five Forts. Maybe they can enslave some of these mythical people there?
Sounds like Khitai in Howard's Hyborian mythos, and he's def borrowing from Lovecraft. Lovecraft and especially Howard are my favorite all time authors.
Ya know, I’ve been wonder. If magic west of the bone mountains is mostly non existent, does that mean magic is alive and well in the east. Because I thought that YiTish Magic would be a hard magic system
@whycreate do you get most of this information from the big text book looking book, I believe it’s called a history of ice and fire and it’s written by Martin and couple other people?
Ah I wish we would get series based mainly in Yi Ti. And maybe not a prequel but rather than that something happening 200-300 years after Game of Thrones finale.
It gets crazier right outside its borders, northeast are vampire corpse like people, south on leng are the old ones who are tall, slim with pure golden eyes. Everyone knows the shadowlands and Asshai, but at the heart of darkness is Stygai called the corpse city where even shadowbinders are scared to venture and lord knows what that place holds, and ancient being of evil? Maybe even a portal to the seven hells itself. Further northeast is Carcosa ruled by the Yellow Emperor and lord knows what goes on in there, but Carcosa is an evil place in Lovecraftian lore so it's probably just as evil here. And even further east are demon men, with leathery wings who can fly. This world the further out you venture from the known landmasses, the more scarier, creepier, and out of this worldly it starts to become. And some theorists claim that while Westeros and Essos put together is a massive amount of land, it probably only accounts for 40 to 50% of the land that makes up this world. Theres so much that's unknown theres no telling what the hell is going on in it
You forget that all of this is in the World of Ice and fire book. And in continuity it was written by maesters who dont have the real facts about things beyond the Bone mountains. Almost all of the pretty unbelievable stuff is exaggerated. Much like "Here be dragons" on real old world maps
@@Blackhawk211 fact or not, why would it even be written down if theres wasnt some amount of truth to the claims. Enough stories told by enough people to give said wonders credence. It's true that they themselves can't prove any of it simply because they havent seen it with their own eyes, but if they see it as something worth writing down, then it has to have some form or semblance of credibility