cool girl monologue while it was entertaining, it was absolute bull crap. I could literally make the same one about men, cool guy is this and that, cool guy does this and that. We all have expectations of people and relationships, we all want something from our partner, we all have an ideal, an image of what the perfect man or woman should be. This movie had a bitch as the main lead and the actress did a hell of a job!
@@elisaidir2837 In the book there's a paragraph that perfectly proves that there is no guy version of the "cool girl". Rarely do you see men pretending to be into doing nails, looking at fashion, learning knitting, etc. But yes, in a general sense there are expectations for both men and women. That's why the ending in the book ended the way it did. Here it is: "I waited patiently - years - for the pendulum to swing the other way, for men to start reading Jane Austen, learn how to knit, pretend to love cosmos, organize scrapbook parties, and make out with each other while we leer. And then we’d say, Yeah, he’s a Cool Guy. But it never happened. Instead, women across the nation colluded in our degradation! Pretty soon Cool Girl became the standard girl. Men believed she existed - she wasn’t just a dreamgirl one in a million. Every girl was supposed to this girl, and if you weren’t, then there was something wrong with you."
One thing: She didn't actually murder for him - she did that, as all, to benefit herself. She simply credited him with the inspiration - all for you, Baby. Managed.
100% agree. People don't understand that part of the movie. She returns for her own benefit, she didn't do anything for Nick. As a typical psychopath would, she credits her behave to good intentions when in actual fact she was a cornered dog with no options left. Yes she was not discovered yet but she was now broke and living in a house with a loser she despised. Her ego would not allow her to take the easy way out, she figured she could continue being victim in her return. Also remember she planned to kill herself, her plans slowly changed throughout the movie and she was happy to kill to get what she wanted. Psycho's will try and convince you they have changed and the audience is tested at the end... some think she had other options, most see she had none.
She killed Desi because she painted herself in a corner and asked for help from a person who still wanted her to be someone she wasn’t. He said “I’m never letting you go again”.
+Onur Turk disturbing?? well you need to watch more movies because you haven't seen nothing yet.. Go watch Man Bites Dog, Antichrist, and Cannibal Holocaust and come back at me.
+The Rain Man I didn't say: most disturbing movie ever, or, omg this movie creeped me out, or, I'm too scared to watch this. I have seen more movies than this, don't worry. All I said that this movie is disturbing, that's it.
+Onur Turk People are used to looking outwards so when something deals with things inwards , it kinda creeps people out. Because if you try to look at inside from outside point of view it wont make much sense.
What I took from the movie is that Amy is a highly intelligent sociopath, who was willing to do anything to keep a person under her control. What is scary is that she actually got her way in the end.
Totally agree. Amy is a sociopath with extreme narcissistic tendencies. Half of the movie's flashbacks probably weren't true because she admits to making up alot of her diary. She frames a previous boyfriend for rape after he tried to pull away from her because she was trying to mold him into something he wasn't. The most important thing to her was public perception. That is why she had several days on her cale marked to kill herself, because she wanted to watch how the story unfolded. When she was robbed, she had to call her ex boyfriend to rescue her. And after she saw the interview with Nick, she realized that the public perception she created might change. So she framed Neil Patrick Harris for kidnapping and shows her true sociopathic nature killing him. Then entrapts Nick to stay in the marriage to revel in the public attention. She even tells him that she needs him to "play his part."
@@hwfq34fajw9foiffawdiufhuaiwfhw She's more like a frankenstein monster men created and most women like her end up used and jettisoned while the men get to move on with their life with another younger girl to use, but Nick wasnt so lucky and got anchored.
@Mara L You can be a cheater and not be a sociopath. Sure he had a degree of self importance; but she was a full blown sociopath. The way she manipulated the world when she left him. Then killed her ex to get back in the spotlight when Nick was going to confess. That is when she realized that she was losing control of the narrative that she set up at the beginning of the movie. Proving that she's the sociopath not him. Although he had issues of his own, they deserve each other. As they are each others' hell.
@Mara L If you continuously cheat on someone, it doesn't mean that you don't have a conscience. And it definitely doesn't mean that you are a sociopath. Sorry, but this is just such an extreme claim that I had to respond. I definitely don't approve of his cheating, but again: Cheating on someone doesn't mean that the person is a sociopath or that the person doesn't have conscience.
Am I the only one who thinks Gone Girl is scarier than any horror film made this past decade? Seriously, the way it ends and the music of the credits just freaked me the fuck out. I mean oh my god, Amy just scared the shit out of me, the more I imagined being in Nick's situation, the more chills I got. Think about it, if Nick left Amy, society would demonize Nick. Some would try telling people the true story of what happened, you see Nick talking to himself in the bathroom and think he is gonna do that. But what's stopping Amy for making her own spin of the story? Who are they gonna believe Nick or Amy? The more I think about it, the more I realize society as a whole don't want to know the whole story. They would rather see the exterior and pretend they know who a person really is. When in reality, we're all liar's, not to the same extent as Amy, but liars none the less. We all play different characters depending on who are friends and family are, rather than being who we are as individuals. We do this so much that we start wondering to ourselves "Who am I?" and forget who we truly are.
+triedge763 i dint think its scary not sure why people keep saying that but i do think it will make me and many others think twice before being unfaithful. I think that was the whole point of the film
Amy is a repressed character. She hides who she really is from everyone, especially her parents & her husband. She pretends to be someone she is not to keep up with appearances. I think she is a very relatable character because a lot of women do this, try too hard to be the perfect wife or the perfect mother. Becoming an illusion to win over approval & validation. She is even jealous of her illusion of "Amazing Amy." She feels like she needs to be this character so people will adore her & put her on a pedestal. I think there are a lot of men & women out there who do compromise their own identities to please others.
Nikka Rose Yeah I think this film is one of the many examples of why is very dangerous to pretend. It drives you crazy, if you pretend to be someone else, the person that loves you, doesn't love you anyway, loves an illusion and thats never satisfying. The person who pretends will not be happy anyway. I was once a pretender for someone and it damaged me. People should be more aware of how damaging it is.
She stays with Nick at the end because she knows she can control him. He resents her & she know that. But her narcissistic sadistic side loves that she can manipulate an appearance & have everyone believe her. Nick is becoming more like her, willing to play that part. Amy has an addiction to power, she loves knowing that she has power over him & she loves knowing that she can be two-faced. She can project an illusion for what she wants people to think of her & garner sympathy & empathy, & behind closed doors she can be that bitter bitch she really is.
+Nikka Rose Just take a look at society. Many people out there are living an illusion. Some people are too afraid to be their "real" selves with their partners, friends, and family. We live in a culture where faking it is more important than being your true self. I think Gone Girl asks a very important question: how many people out there are truly themselves when they are with their partners, and do you really know your partner and your friends and family? This movie has nothing to do with feminism to all you haters. Just look at the female characters in this film. Amy puts up this facade to cater to society, Go has no life and lives her life through Nick, the detective does everything to compromise with Nick, and Andie is so dumb that she believes Nick will leave his wife for her. Practically all the women in this movie do everything to cater to the not so bright aloof Nick Dunne. Where is the feminism in that?
Luvie1980 Thank you! You brought up a very good point & a lot of insight to how these female characters are portrayed. People do project an illusion on what they want others to see. And behind closed doors, they act differently. Call it "societal conditioning?" We are constantly looking for validation & approval outside ourselves. We become a product of what others want us to be than actually being our true selves. We do this because we don't know who we really, we allow others to decide for us.
The way she looks at him in 01:36 and at 01:41 scared and still scares me every single time. That, to me, is clear evidence that there was more to this woman than the eye could see.
Not only did her parents get filthy rich off of their daughter, by exploiting her entire childhood, they later turned around and wanted what was left of her trust fund back, After they had spent most of it frivolously & almost ended up in the poor house....
ricky gervais Her parents created a role for her, “Amazing Amy”. To gain her parents love she had to act like an amazing Amy. That’s the only way she knows to love and be loved, by pretending to be someone who wants the others. After she’s grown up it refers as a “cool girl”. Parents should love their child unconditionally, or else they make a big influence to create a dysfunctional being. She’s not a psychopath, she’s a sociopath. People don’t just born a sociopath and you have very wrong understanding about personality disorder. You should not talk about what you don’t know.
Amy lied about her parents taking back the trust fund and actually spent it on all the presents in Margo’s shed, then kept a nice stack for herself (until she got mugged at the trailer park lmao)
This movie and its book give me a chill. Not because Amy was a psycho. Her thoughts really resonate about men and what people expect men to be in the society. Nick is, in a way, a typical guy. He was taught to act cool, suppress his emotions, and use lies to make his way. He also expected his woman to be perfect without caring for her emotions. Who doesn't know a guy like that? I was one of the Nicks out there in the world. The thing is: Nicks always get their ways. Sure, they'll break up or get a divorce, but they'll be free. They already cheated. They already got the women they wanted. The love had faded, the remaining emotions got mopped up and forgotten, and the conquest to another 'cool girl' continues. These Nicks don't know how much they're pushing the women's buttons. When I read Amy's thoughts, I felt deep, dreaded fear, and I agreed with her how screw up I was in my previous relationships. No wonder why they didn't last. I was lucky never to meet a girl like Amy, and it reminded me to be kinder and thoughtful to the future girls that I would meet and pursue.
Pongsakorn Suppakittpaisarn Wow, that is beautiful. I'm so happy that this is what you got from this story, esp. being a man, because the majority of the male response to this film is "OMFG WHAT A CRAZY PSYCHO BITCH UGH THIS IS WHY I HAVE TRUST ISSUES MORAL OF THE STORY DUDES DON'T STICK YOUR DICK IN CRAZY ASLKJHGASDF." and all that other BS that completely misses the point. The fact that you had such an intelligent and emotional response to this film makes my heart happy. :D
+Ashley Miller Me too. The moral message here: don't treat people like disposable goods. Do the time, do the math, get to really know one another. Posing and playacting only lead to disappointing results, or, in this cautionary tale, disastrous outcomes. Games do not belong in true matters of the heart.
+Ashley Miller Are you kidding? There is no redeeming factor to the Amy character. She was manipulative from jump street. Nick was the one who tried to fight for the relationship and was seemingly pushed away into the arms of another. Call me a typical male if you wish, I don't give a shit. I'm all for being faithful, kind, and understanding to my significant other but I hardly find that to be the moral of this story. To me the film is far more about illusions and how the media can often inform the perceptions of the general public. The film is a bitchslap to the face of rating hounds like Nancy Grace. Any sympathetic notions towards Amy were depicted through her fucked up mind in her diary. The reality was Nick's frustration coming home to a cold and calculating cunt. Its forgivable that he wound up cheating on her. I don't cheat on my girl because she is a fine person whom I love dearly. Thankfully I don't come home to a manipulative sociopath. Pongsakorn's post is probably another example of a youtube white knight. You see them often posting woman friendly sentiments in an attempt to get replies saying things like "I wish my man was like you" or some other validating comment that makes one feel warm and fuzzy about the opposite sex's view of them. It may be a harsh opinion and that may not have been the intention of the original posts author but RU-vid certainly has no shortage of depressing internet chivalry. So yeah, I guess I'm one of your average men with my gut response of "What a crazy psycho bitch".
Kris Ross Please, kindly point out examples of Nick "fighting for the relationship." Am I saying Amy is sane? No. Am I saying her actions were justifiable? No. I still say simply calling her a "psycho bitch" is a very basic and glib response and it implies that she has no depth. I would hope most people know to treat their SO with basic kindness, love, dignity and respect and don't need a movie to remind them of that. I just thought it was sweet and unusual that someone had that sort of response. wolfymcwolfwolf.tumblr.com/post/108633269641/the-psycho-bitch-gone-girl-and-what-it-should
+Kris Ross People get different messages from books and movies, and it's okay to disagree with the ideas. Sharing these disagreement helps you become a better person, but labeling and name calling is not exactly mature or help further the argument. Psst! What am I talking about? This is the internet. HOW DARE YOU CALL ME WHITE KNIGHT YOU--YOU--YOU AS*BU*T!!!
Her parents created a role for her, “Amazing Amy”. To gain her parents love she had to like an amazing Amy. That’s the only way she knows to love and be loved, by pretending to be someone who wants the others. After she’s grown up it refers as a “cool girl”. Parents should love their child unconditionally, or else they make a big influence to create a dysfunctional being.
It brought me to thoughts of several publicly loved and praised kids of the 90s who, as they'd say, completely went off the rails when they grew up - Mackali Calkin, Lindsay Lohan, and Miley Cyrus
This film is an allegory of the damage we do to each other over the course of a marriage, each stewing in their resentment of the other, too committed to the destruction of the other to ever leave.
That's a horribly pessimistic view of marriage. If you don't like the concept, fine, but don't assume that your opinion is right. Marriage can be a wonderful thing the same way life-long friendships can be wonderful. You love someone enough to want to spend your lives together. You make a choice to stay together because you love the person. I don't know what kind of edgy, emo, depressing view of marriage you have, but it's not correct. The point of Gone Girl is that perceptions aren't always fact. We look, but we don't see. We assume based on shortcuts in our brains using experiences we've had or heard from other people, and we take those assumptions as fact because we like to pretend that the world is simple and can be divided into neat little boxes.
+Demilade A you know for someone that acknowledged in your statement it was just his opinion( that he holds to be true) you sure do seem to be defensive about it, the real question is how frail is your perspective on marriage that a "edgy, emo opinion" made you sound butt hurt.
Raman Sandhu because you're shitting on the concept of love and marriage, and as someone who has parents and grandparents who love each other and have been married for years, and who wants that for myself, that just rubbed me the wrong way. Honestly I no longer care. Your life and opinions are yours
Thanks Ramen, for defending my simple observation of the subplot of the film. Notice in my short comment I state "of a marriage" not "of marriage". I was commenting on the film, not "shitting on the concept of love and marriage". The film, which I absolutely loved, (I have not read the book) does that just fine without my help. Demilade I think Ramen's correct about your defensiveness. If a one run-on-sentence movie review (It's a good review, did you notice?) sets you off like that, there might be an issue. I say that with good will and sympathy. So here's my revised review: ***** FIVE STARS! AWESOME FILM! Will chill you to the bone!
What was a mistake (or maybe purpose, who knows) by Fincher was that small alternative ending. In the book Nick basically starts to be fascinated by Amy and her dark side and really wants to stay. Which is even more fucked up and interesting. The movie ending is a little bit blind to this.
No, he says he is only staying for the child, but his sister sees through it. She accuses him of wanting to stay with her and his silence is meant to be interpreted as admitting it.
I think the las scene in the movie is really clear, he wants to stay, his siter sees through it, if you aren't satisfied with this eding ok, but it was what it was.
I love how this movie has so many topics left for the audience to think about. 1) Psychopaths/Sociopaths (not sure which term is technically correct) 2) Abusive relationships, narcissistic partners 3) Perception 4) Stereotypes (male, female, relationships) and more, to be sure. I would have loved to learn more about Amy´s past to learn why she ended up being a psychopath.
I read the book and watched the movie. I enjoyed the movie but they watered down amys character. Nick is about the same i would say. But in the movie, people kinda of rooted for amy. Like “the husband cheated she deserves to win” but amy is truly PSYCHO. The movie leaves out at lot of her backstory. There was one where she was in school and got jealous of a girl she knew so she manipulated her to look crazy and got her sent to the psych ward. And the dessy collins guy didnt try to kill himself. That was a another story amy twisted to make him look crazy and got him sent to an institution. Amy is 1000 time more complex than the movie makes her seem. She is truly psychotic and narcissist and i wish the movie went into more into her backstory like it did in the book bc it is way more twisted than it seems. Besides that i enjoyed the movie. The acting and cinematography was great.
Exactly!! Amy is a character we should sympathize with, but her actions can't be condoned. Amy would have had a much better childhood if she had gotten help. Still... I have to say I was terrified of her by the time the movie ended.🤣
A lot (not all) of women rooted for Amy because they may have felt/internalized Amy's pain (with their own exp or a friend's pain) about being cheated on by a past jerk and thus took her side from that point/ that perception, not realizing how far Amy would go to have control and how psycho she was all along. Sometimes, a couple's abuse in differing ways (neglect, controlling, physical, mental) on each other can drive the other into exhibiting wild erratic destructive behavior (drugs, affairs, cheating, etc) or to their darker side as I think Nick was tempted into acting on base desires of wanting the cool girl and Amy refusing to once married (and honeymoon phase was over). She didn't care what he thinked about her once she showed him who she was (not the cool girl). Nicks actions were horrible too as people can bring out the worst in the other (even parts of oneself that they weren't initially aware of). Nick and Margo's relationship was indicative that Nick had a conscious all-along, but once he felt deep resentment towards Amy and himself during the marriage (for various reasons mostly from Amy's actions) and once he felt his marriage was too toxic, and a non-loving one he stopped pretending and wanted out. Amy was highly interested in societal status, perceptions and her ego being stroked, and she had him as her trophy, or man to be molded. He didn't care about perceptions (and usually went by his true direct feelings) until the situation forced him to act and play Amy's (or society's) game of perceptions.
This movie reminds me so much of a relationship I had with an extreme narcissist. She studied me to learn exactly what I wanted and pretended to be that. Also the perception others have on her meant more to her than me, the children... anything. They have zero empathy and see others as tools to use for personal gain.
Robert Christoff same exact thing minus the kids. She put our dog to sleep and although I wasn’t framed for murder like in the movie I only found out when the Freudian slip came after she had a nervous breakdown when we went to go see the body together. Crazy shit man
This movie is all about Perception and there are lot of Psychopath movies out there in Hollywood so David fincher took a step forward and made the actress psychopath this movie is brilliant intriguing exciting and I love it
I watched this movie and it’s the one of the most creepy or disturbing films I’ve ever seen. It really struck a bone to me for the fact that there was nothing Nick could do. She had him trapped and only came back because she had no options and her plan had failed her. It was a great film though and I really enjoyed it even though I was disturbed.
I love this movie because every time I watch it, there are always completely different ways of perceiving and interpreting what is going on and it still fits in. It is interesting that (from how you present your interpretation, this is how I understand you), you believe that Amy developed into what she is at the end of the movie through being betrayed by Nick and she was exactly who she portrays herself as at the beginning. In other words, you trust her own interpretation of who she says she is. I interpreted this slightly different. I see Amy at the beginning as a completely fictitious being that never existed in the way that she presented it to the audience, and that when she discusses killing herself, the image of her body in the river is literally the death and total deconstruction of this fictitious interpretation of Amy. We never actually see the real Amy until she is in the car driving off on the bridge. In other words, I believe that the Amy we see at the very end (when she comes home covered in blood) has always been Amy, but we--the audience looking through Nick's eyes--begin to see the very subtle indicators that she is, very much, a psychopath. Her body language, the way she speaks, and even her hair are entirely different from who we saw "when Amy met Nick" at the beginning. She is significantly less emotional, her eyes are almost dead in her gaze--there is no longer a light of human nature shining through. Furthermore, from how she walks and essentially fidgets around the house (she quickly turns to walk away in an almost robotic manner) is an even stronger indication of her psychosis. However, it took Nick being put through all this to really see who and what she is.
Kurt Nakanishi spot on. it's different every time. do you think that's because we slightly change as humans? I mean who we are, our character, our way of thinking, etc. so your mind starts to see different perceptions. am I making some sort of sense? Lol
My thematic analysis of this movie: 1.) Reversal of female stereotypes in film, yet Amy is vilified as the crazy wife/crazy ex/crazy girlfriend stereotype in the end anyway...because let's be real, she's a straight up sociopath. 2.) Abuse. Nick & Amy are both mutually abusive with one another throughout the film, but she takes it to the extreme. 3.) Punishing men for sexual desires and infidelity (both NPH's character & Ben Affleck's character are punished for having expectations of Amy), which is an uncommon theme in most movies. In horror movies, we typically see women being punished (usually they're killed) for their sexual desires...that's what makes it so unsettling, we don't expect it. 4.) Fear the wrath of the angry woman. This movie really left me feeling rather conflicted. She gets back at Nick for cheating and basically just being a general dbag by framing him for her murder. If you've ever experienced a partner cheating on you, you want to get back at them. That's a given. But would we frame them for our murder & in the process kill someone else too? No. I was rooting for Amy but also hating her guts the whole time. She's a fascinating character at least.
"punishing men for sexual desires... uncommon theme in most movies" Yeah okay this is total horse shit. You ever seen species? Apparently not. A very very common theme in horror is punishment for lust, which is traditionally a male stereotyped emotion. Don't spout bullshit as if it's fact please.
NoGary No Lmfao, a typical fragile male ego. I said it was "MY thematic analysis" not facts about this movie. Calm down. I have a degree in this so please stop coming at me like you know any better than I do.
anyways. regardless of what i read of replies to your comment. great analysis . i'm naturally analyst but not in emotions related things. yet one thing kept me wondering if he "nick" really wanted not-ordinary girl. quote from what "amy" said "you think you'll be happy with a simple girl." after that he seemed convinced
My wife and I have been married for 12 yrs with three kids (we're both 30y/o). I was a combat medic for six years, then got my BAs in psychology and philosophy. My wife raised our children alone for literally half of my enlistment, and had to help support us financially while I was in school. A constant but worthwhile struggle to balance focus on both the future and the here and now, a willingness to negotiate and adhere to principles, a deep desire to learn about one another, and a resilience to some serious practical and psychological setbacks have brought two high school sweethearts from seriously broken and dysfunctional childhoods to a healthy and meaningful place full of potential for each of us. The mask is not a feature of love, it's of lust. Love, if you're honest, is about recognizing the unique and profound consciousness in your significant other; that another universe exists within them, and that you want and they want to be a part of that universe, and that the two of you will pool your causative power to make the world a better place. Getting stuck in the hormone fuled dating stage will only foster codependency issues.
Man how insightful, I felt I had to keep up an perception of who I am all throughout my years in a Christian school. You'll be amazed how some churches prefer the image you create over who you are (some, not all). This movie shows how this obsession can create such monsters underneath.
I know people can relate to both Amy and Nick. God I had so many discussions about the movie and book with my friend and came to the conclusion that even when we can relate to the main leads it just gets creepier when their deeper flaws are exposed. We suddenly don't know the people we were relating ourselves with and that's how this world works.
+Borntokirune you must try getting blown by an ex and say let's just be friends when she expresses her love while blowing. Amy's got nothing on any women in that situation
GREAT analysis!!! I love it, this needs more views because so many people misunderstood this movie. Unfortunately, the movie did not touch on the fact that (in the book) they questioned her for four hours after her return, and still couldn't find a place where she'd slipped up. Nick, Go and Boney were having meetings trying to dissect her journal and find a place where they could catch her in a lie, but it was airtight. I wish the movie had gone into more detail about all the things she did to be sure that there was no way they would catch her, like rolling around in Desi's trunk, and putting pieces of her hair that she had saved in there. Or saving a jar of her vomit laced with antifreeze in the freezer, in case she needed backup evidence of Nick's attempted murder. Yup. And now look...what really drives the point home is the fact that Ben Affleck is getting a divorce in real life!!! Look at recent pictures of him. He looks awful...like he did in the film. He allegedly cheated, although he denies it. From the People magazine article..."A source close to the couple has called Garner's "controlling" nature a factor in the split, adding that Affleck was "made to feel like an inadequate husband over and over again." He has become the damn character. Sorry to go off on a tangent!!! As I said, great video, excellent analysis. Bravo! :D
The Esoteric Cunt no she didn’t like it. She didnt enjoy it. She was still trying to be the woman he wanted her to be without even fully realising it Also shes doing it to appeal to the woman who she was living temporarily next to as she saw that she does it
I think a lot of people smoke to please others. Maybe not get hooked on it to please others but fr imagine being a teenager again where there's a lot of pressure to smoke and do drugs to look cool.
Tbh, as a woman I agreed with her monologue about the cool girl and WHY she did the fucked up thing she did. Nick is the typical douchbag guy that drains his wife/girlfriend emotionally, financially and in every other way until he’s bored and moves on to the next ‘conquest’. Because women are never people to idiots like that. They’re just trophies that you display proudly to your other douche friends. And what she said is true. He drains her of everything, and puts in no effort into building their relationship, but expects her to change and adapt to him, and once she’s committed a few years of her life to do that, and changed important aspects of her life to suit him, he cheats and just leaves?! He gets to drain her and then get bored of her and cheat on her and fuck her up so badly, and in the end he gets to just leave and walk off into the sunset and be free?! While she’s still mopping up the emotional mess he left behind?! That’s not fair. And that’s the whole,point of this movie.
Not only that. He wanted to talk about the divorce ON THEIR WEDDING DAY. I thought her first plan was kinda ok with society seeing him as the murderer snd cheater...but he would be forgotten..with the second plan she could torture him till death through CONTROL.
You're leaving aside the fact that she made false accusations against a former partner causing him to never find a job again, also she killed Desi who wasn't actually a stalker (although I admit he was a bit of a creep). The fact that you support this character is a red flag.
@@st0a Exactly what I'm saying! How the actual HELL are you forgetting the part where she fucked up other people's lives for her own narcissistic gain? I understand her character background and the stereotypical things against a woman but that is not an excuse for the shit she did. In fact, she completely invalidates the women who have went through rape and abuse by lying, all for control.
I love this movie so much. I just rewatched it and the ending honestly gives me chills every time. It’s fascinating how well made this movie is and how it manages to scare us in ways most modern thrillers couldn’t.
I agree with you. I'm currently in an international relationship. My Korean boyfriend has values slightly dated compared to my American ones. And I love him to the point where I catch myself trying to mold myself into a person he can appreciate, and that his friends can admire. I hated that. I never thought I should change myself for someone else. I talked to him about it though, and even though he's got a pretty traditional mindset, he still has an open mind. And I'm lucky that's the case.
uroppafollowsme Me too! Except my boyfriend is Muslim. So I will have to change some parts of how I live in order to be with him and be seen as a good girlfriend. He never tells me to change. But it's different, his parents will want him to date someone who follows their traditions, so in order to be seen as a good girlfriend to the parents, I will have to change at least some aspects of myself.
Ainoah My boyfriend doesn't force me to change, I am willing to change for him. Because his culture and religion are important to him. My boyfriend hasn't changed, but he has accepted me for who I am, which is a change because I've had a bad past, but he doesn't judge me for it at all.
Ainoah I agree with you. If only one person changes then it's not a relationship, its a pet ownership. I can say that I can see my boyfriend changing. He's verbally resilient most of the time, but he is indeed getting off his horse physically, even if he can't verbally admit he was wrong.
Holly Hudson That's the point Amy's husband didn't force her to change she did it herself to please her man and then look at what happend. Plus your comment about how he accept you and your bad past...Why shouldn't he accept you? Isn't this what love is about? You sound as if you are so grateful that he has accept someone like you. That's not healthy.
Her character is so true to form. If we don't agree with your assessment of us it causes Narcissistic Injury. Hell hath no fury like Narcissistic Injury.
I just love this movie, everything. the screenplay and all the scenes. It just made me think all about relationships and how men & women thinks differently and how their needs are also different too.
I agree with some of this. But this movie is written every single day. You cannot deny that when a white, blonde, attractive young woman goes missing, that it doesn't jump to the number one news story, hence, the Nancy Grace character. Played to perfection, I might add. I also think Amy may have been a chameleon, but under that facade she was calculating and that's how she changed all the men in her life. Ironically, the one she killed, describe his lake house and included the colors and objects picked to Amy's liking. He was the one she totally changed and she killed him. Her job was done and she needed an escape. To me that means, she did not or could not live up to the standards of her parents character, but wanted some control. By killing herself and after much concern, she was reborn as a real person. That control was taken to new heights after killing what she created. Nick was also a writer for a men's magazine. That sparks Amy's intrigue and challenges her to change Nick. At the end Nick asks, "what will we do to each other?". Great ending since they both knew they were manipulating liars.
I'd argue that the moment they met, they knew each other to be manipulative liars. Two of a kind, fascinated by their similarities. Nick didn't know the extreme depth of her capacity to lie, just took her to be a garden variety typical liar. Like he was.
As an Intelligence Analyst with nearly 13 years of experience I must say your analysis is inspiring. This film nearly wrecked me, because it reminded me so much of my ex-wife who is essentially a lesser version of Amy. Kudos to you for making these films, and I look forward to many others. One film I would be curious to see you break down is American History X.
E Carter same here. The only part missing is me being framed for murder. A scorned women must be left where she is or else she’s capable of some crazy shit
I think what terrifies me the most is that everyone can somewhat relate to both Amy and Nick. Nick mentioned not being good enough for his wife’s expectations and he felt like he wasn’t good enough for her. Amy felt like she needs to be the “cool girl” for Nick which is not who she truly was. However, Nick wasn’t willing to try and do better for Amy and would rather find someone else. Whereas Amy realized that she can never satisfy Nick no matter what. The ending speaks volumes, they mentioned that they just need to pretend to be happily married. Makes me wonder how much it reflects everyone else’s relationship.
+What it all Meant I rarely comment on youtube but I have to break my silence to say that this analysis was really good. You must have did good on your english papers lol.
I just saw this movie and i couldn't stop thinking about Amber Heard. in most of her interviews she appears so likeable and "cool" but there's a few that you can really see how upset she is just because there are people around her. crazy women are still out there :c pls be careful
Great work. I think your analysis of social appearances in Gone Girl helped me further understand Amy Dunne as the latest incarnation of a distinctively Fincherian-type villain, the first female Ubermensch he's ever featured in a film. Like Tyler Durden and John Doe before her, Amy achieves a violent transvaluation of values. In her case, the obstacles to overcome were the hypocrisies of white, middle class masculinity exemplified by Nick's unfaithful and abusive marital behavior. Rejecting the "Cool Girl" fantasy which values female worth via an ability to submit to heterosexual male standards of beauty, sexuality, and leisure, Amy undergoes a journey of radical self-affirmation and recreation by exerting her will to power over Nick in their marriage. Preying upon the herd-like fantasies of an American public slavishly eager to consume cliched media-fabricated tropes of female victimization, Amy manipulates popular sentiment as means towards creating a new cult of domesticity that pits the appearance of female piety against male indiscretion. In the process she destroys any pretense towards observing feminist marital values of mutual love and respect, replacing this ethic of equality with an arrangement of self-interest and mutual exploitation in a private war for domination with her husband.
First, I just have to interject that I first read Gillian Flynn's book not once but three times, back to back, because something about both her writing style and subject material completely captivated me. The more I read these two main character studies, not to mention the well drawn supporting characters, the more I felt gripped viscerally as though I were riding on an express train bound for inevitable disaster. One thing Ms. Flynn does well, is she manages to convey voice without any type of author intrusion throughout, so one feels drawn into a slice of life we can barely stand to view. Additionally, she leads us into true horror with such a deft touch it is as though a parent is prodding a child towards witnessing an accident scene, all the while patting his or her head reassuringly. Lastly, she is commenting on very current societal trends and dangers: if it is all about posing, then everything, every moment, is only an act. Caveat Emptor.
+Cynthia Lyman You raise the comparison to Hedda Gabbler in another response on this board. Its an interesting analogy considering the underlying parallel between her and Amy Dunne - both are female characters obsessed with public appearances at the expense of private virtue. In their minds the "good" and the "beautiful" are one and the same. Amy doesn't care if her marriage is actually happy or respectful so long as it appears so to the outside world ("I forged the man of my dreams. We were happy pretending to be other people."). And Hedda wants the world to be attractive, romantic, even poetic even unto death ("I don’t want to look on sickness and death. I want to be free of everything ugly."). This privileging of aesthetics over virtue seen in both women's actions is precisely the standard which Nietzsche purports when he argues that virtue is inherently false. To fix this new moral subject, Nietzsche believes that the individual must discard morality and grasp the will to power by overcoming the selfsame perspectives on which they depend.
@@ramonalejandrosuare you seem to be extremely intelligent as well as hard to understand however i can make out the gist of your analysis and I find it to be quite insightful are you still active on this account if so reply to my comment.
This movie scared the hell out of me i found it more scarier than movies based on real serial killers just because the probability of this happening in today’s society is a lot more than say someone like the zodiac killer
This "ending explanation" is wrong. True that he cheated her, but her character was flawed and her actions are those of a dangerous psychopath. Revenge at this level is not a normal human response and more civilized remedies are available and used every day
Hello! I've been a little absent from your channel, but here we are again! Haha Such a great analysis! Very accurate and I loved that you did not used a surprising kind of euphoric tone when describing Amy. I have seen tons of reviews about the movie and all of them seem to love Amy, because of the twist plot and how intelligent and claver she was (Fincher was incredible by the way). I found myself really disturbed and depressed after the film finished, cause it is sad to know that it is actually like that in real life. Also, I thought the film cleraly gave a critic to one of contemporary topics: feminism. Wheter it is pro or anti-feminist, it was really good and critical. Stereotypes were constantly critiziced through out the film. An amazing analysis, man! Congrats
jorge esteban de la serna ruiz I've been a bit absent myself :P Thanks again! I think many people talk about her not as a character, but as a concept. As if they only appreciate the process of writing her and not what she was suppose to elicit. Yet like you, I left with this horrible feeling. In fact my wife and I had a serious talk about perception in our relationship afterward (it was great). That was definitely a motif everyone with a "cause" seemed to pick up and run with. I just think it served to further the perception theme, but motifs can stand on their own and make people think. Gone Girl did for sure. Thanks for being so supportive!
What it all Meant Thanks to you for making these videos! Oh, that should have been great! I mean you and your wife talking about that... It's weird but sometimes we fall in love with perceptions and not with the real person. Yes, I agree with you. The writting and direction of the character were amazing and very well done!! But the meaning of the character is what really makes you think it twice... Excelent film! I'm definately seeing your other videos! See you ;)
Sadly, like from my experience, there were times when my friends ask me, almost a bit begging, to wear nice dresses, shoes, and put stuff on my hair and face so I could look nicer and finally get laid 'coz I only wear t-shirts and slippers, and just do ponytail...not because I wanna look like some ugly dude, but because that's when I feel most real and comfortable with myself. But what can I say, I'm not a cool girl, not hot, and awkward as hell. Also, it's not as if my clothes look awful, and when it's a formal occasion I do dress accordingly, and I do wear makeup, just not too much and I also have good hygiene, excuse me, hahaha but seriously, It's really annoying that you have to become someone else so people will like you and even worse when they actually try to tell you what to do, although I never really follow them. Nice video, btw
DamnImSoBored123 What is attractive is attractive and what is not, is not. Period. Not all women are born looking like goddesses, but it is SMART to use the best of what you got and exploit your potential to the max. From what you say, being comfortable is your no1 priority and I am sure this attitude expands in all areas of your life. People see you as what you portray yourself as. Your friends "begging" you to try a bit harder is a sign that you are not trying at all. Not any female is a woman. If you have women's genitalia does NOT mean you are a WOMAN. Being a woman is an art and it is also a ROLE you play. If you are smart. If not you are the Bridget Jones type, because that's what you choose to be. Complaining that it is an effort to put yourself together is lame. It is a matter of self respect to be well groomed, wearing clothes that flatter you etc etc. Congratulations on having a "good hygiene" whatever that means. Waw! What a great accomplishment!
@@mgdkns6678 i would rather date a girl that is comfortable than a girl that makes her life a living hell, and about make up is perfect if you use a bit but i don't like clowns sorry :/, (and to the girl that commented this, just be you), and now you will say "but who are you ?" Right ? Who am i, well i am a guy that has a big problem with beeing atracted to anyone in general and tbh how she described it i would enjoy spending time with her and maybe even more
Hello, my clone. I've always found myself to be good enough just the way I am. I think the existence of people like us is threatening to those that try-hard to impress others. Incomprehensible. Revolutionary?
Please don't say that. Just because both are directed by Fincher doesn't mean you can pull a correlation out of your ass. The book is by Gillian Flynn and it's a socio-cultural critique of "cool guy/girl" trop and a critique of public image/ public perception
Great analysis. Just discovered your channel and watched all your videos you have up. Good to see others out there that look so deeply into films. Subbing so I can see what else you put out. Can I suggest another Aronofsky film, The Fountain. It's my favorite film, amazing acting, visuals, music, just all round fantastic film that I feel got overlooked when it was released due to mishandled promotion and of how deeply one had to actually think about what they were seeing.
Thanks!! I could definitely get on that. My list of films to write about already has Requiem for a Dream and The Wrestler on it, so I might as well check out The Fountain. When I was the littlest of baby's I actually hated it but I've been meaning to give it another go, seeing as I'm an adult and "learned" now.
Those are great films as well. Love both of them. I just think The Fountain has a deeper meaning than most people perceive. Most think it's some way out there sci-fi time travel movie but the time shifts aren't that but an allegory for the characters emotional response to life and the struggles they are faced with.
Jesse Cortez I'll definitely have to check it out again. As stated I was a kid when it came out and it just confused me. I've been interested in a rewatch but just haven't for whatever reason. As soon as I do I'll write a script for it.
Just saw the movie. It's brilliant, just one thing bothers me a lot. How the hell did the FBI believe her, I mean come on. I know it had to be done in such manner to conclude the story, but that's just shameful for the detectives...
i watched this movie when i was like 10 or 11 and i never understood what it meant and now im obsessed with it and watching all the videos about it because i finally understand
Very interesting channel and I enjoy the information given. Although I would try to work on your voice. It comes off as very monotoned which is something you should try to improve upon.
I enjoyed how deep this goes. If you have a high level of awareness and consciousness, these kind of movies touch you on a level most cant comprehend. You may understand whats happening, but to be able to innerstand it is something different. I feel for amy's character, though Killing her x was wrong, i can innerstand her motives right or wrong. Once she hears nicks truth in his interview she is able to understand him and accepts him. For someone like nick, he was in a tough spot, and even he eventually started to innerstand her. Most call it crazy, i believe its just something people cant innerstand because they aren't used to doing within to get the answers
Omg this gave me chills. Not scary movie chills just what a freaking psycho chills. I would be seriously afraid to be in the same house with her. Can't believe i never heard of this movie before or seen. Great watch. I love these kinds of movies.
There are no good guys in this movie, nick is a cheeting bad husband who made amy feel bad, while Amy is a manipulative psychopath. If you agree with either nick or amy then you got the wrong message
I love this kind of films. This is one of the films which express some spycological concepts and some mental mechanisms and some complicated emotions. Love mystery films. I feel alot of benefit. I learn from these movies.
Being a female brings a whole different perspective than what it does for males in terms of this film. You, as a male, resent Amy for wanting to be desirable and changing herself to “fit in” even though she actively hates it while also participating in the society that demands this. Although women do the same thing, they are often forced to conform to what men want or face rejection; the same often isn’t true the other way around or at least on this level. Take her “cool girl” monologue where she describes the personality she was trying to conform to in order to stabilise her life and get her man. She hated the role but had very little opportunity to be herself. This coupled with her childhood forms the foundation of the film and her character. Many women, on some level, can relate to Amy; she’s very complex and structured but on a level she’s real and embodies many of the emotions women deal with regularly. It especially gets interesting that she realises she did it all for nothing as she was disposable to the people around her who only accepted her within constraints or when she was playing a role. This movie is essentially a very real deconstruction of what it means to be a female in a society that tells you that you only exist to comfort and compliment men.
Rosamund Pike deserves an Oscar award ! I had read the book the portray of the heroine is exactly as it should be. A very scary movie , brilliantly adapted to the book. And the horror comes when one realises that Amy is totally accepted, nobody(apart from the sister and the detective) can perceive the fact that she is a sociopath.
I think this movie was never about guy cheating or women being psychopath it's about making us realize the society we live in gives priority for a creating fake better self rather than being our true self !!
