Sal is consumed by pain and cynicism but Ken is blinded by optimism and the luck that he is married. Both are right but both are wrong because love is that complicated
This film was released in March 2007; it's over sixteen years later. But things have gotten worse considerably. Ken is too idealistic, and his philosophy and methodology might have worked in the 20th-century and maybe even in the 2000s if you were fortunate, but when the 2010s started, the game just took a nosedive for men. Sal seems to be the kind of guy who is the lone survivor that was right all along with the way things are going now. The game is clearly rigged, and men must take measures to protect themselves and put their interests first (unless children are involved). Now so many guys don't even become "players or womanizers"; they never get involved with women because they never even get the chance, or men just walk away. As a man in the English-speaking Western World, it can be too risky to be romantically involved with a woman, and it's simply not worth it in many regards. - divorce/marriage failure - infidelity - STDs/STIs - paternity fraud/misattributed paternity - false allegations/accusations - domestic abuse - weaponizing children against the father - financial instability/ruin - jeopardized mental health - trust issues - family court I'm not saying we should give up entirely, but we have to be aware of the glaring issues and risks, and we must take proper precautions if we are to attempt an endeavor like this.
Only a few women are willing to change for their man, even a little. Most women would rather change their man to suit them. That's probably why Sal is who he is, and why he acts that way he does.
This film was released in March 2007, it's almost fifteen years later. But things have gotten worse considerably. Ken is too idealistic, and his philosophy and methodology might have worked in the 20th-century and maybe even in the 2000s if you were fortunate, but when the 2010s started, the game just took a nosedive for men. Sal seems to be the kind of guy who is the lone survivor that was right all along with the way things are going now. The game is clearly rigged, and men must take measures to protect themselves and put their interests first (unless children are involved). Now so many guys don't even become "players or womanizers"; they never get involved with women because they never even get the chance, or men just walk away. As a man in the English-speaking Western World, it can be too risky to be romantically involved with a woman, and it's simply not worth it in many regards. - divorce/marriage failure - infidelity - STDs/STIs - paternity fraud - false allegations/accusations - domestic abuse - weaponizing children against the father - financial instability/ruin - jeopardized mental health - trust issues - family court I'm not saying we should give up entirely, but we have to be aware of the glaring issues and risks, and we must take proper precautions if we are to attempt an endeavor like this.
Sal is the realist in the room. Fourteen years of "rasing" that bar...over 6 ft, built like a tree, follow the golden rule, and women won't even look at me. Now all the thirty year olds are hitting me up after they've had their fun and it's time to "settle." All I ever wanted was to love and be loved by a woman...story as old as time, right? Truth is, most women will use you for fun until they find the "ideal" man; and when they don't, they'll circle back around for a "yeah, you'll do." Stay strong, men. Don't lower yourself for a pair of knockers and used-puss.
This film was released in March 2007, it's over fifteen years later. But things have gotten worse considerably. Ken is too idealistic, and his philosophy and methodology might have worked in the 20th-century and maybe even in the 2000s if you were fortunate, but when the 2010s started, the game just took a nosedive for men. Sal seems to be the kind of guy who is the lone survivor that was right all along with the way things are going now. The game is clearly rigged, and men must take measures to protect themselves and put their interests first (unless children are involved). Now so many guys don't even become "players or womanizers"; they never get involved with women because they never even get the chance, or men just walk away. As a man in the English-speaking Western World, it can be too risky to be romantically involved with a woman, and it's simply not worth it in many regards. - divorce/marriage failure - infidelity - STDs/STIs - paternity fraud/misattributed paternity - false allegations/accusations - domestic abuse - weaponizing children against the father - financial instability/ruin - jeopardized mental health - trust issues - family court I'm not saying we should give up entirely, but we have to be aware of the glaring issues and risks, and we must take proper precautions if we are to attempt an endeavor like this.
@@drakenpage6776 Women cannot get any man they want. A man that has options and has his business in order can deny all kinds of women access to his attention, validation, time, and resources. But the interesting dynamic is that many men with a decent chance in the dating market choose to opt-out due to toxicity, and they prefer peace and solace. So many women simply can't provide that. Now many women that are hitting their thirties are freaking out and that they’ll be alone and childless or miserable single mothers. At the end of the day, they really only have themselves to blame.
The crazy thing is you can't deny the fact that Tom did everything right and we know this because throughout the movie they would call each other out on their bullshit and nobody called out Tom in that. So for the sake of the evidence provided as i said Tom did evrrything right...and Sarah still broke his heart. Sal's outlook was thr most realistic 🤷♂️
This film was released in March 2007, it's almost fifteen years later. But things have gotten worse considerably. Ken is too idealistic, and his philosophy and methodology might have worked in the 20th-century and maybe even in the 2000s if you were fortunate, but when the 2010s started, the game just took a nosedive for men. Sal seems to be the kind of guy who is the lone survivor that was right all along with the way things are going now. The game is clearly rigged, and men must take measures to protect themselves and put their interests first (unless children are involved). Now so many guys don't even become "players or womanizers"; they never get involved with women because they never even get the chance, or men just walk away. As a man in the English-speaking Western World, it can be too risky to be romantically involved with a woman, and it's simply not worth it in many regards. - divorce/marriage failure - infidelity - STDs/STIs - paternity fraud - false allegations/accusations - domestic abuse - weaponizing children against the father - financial instability/ruin - jeopardized mental health - trust issues - family court I'm not saying we should give up entirely, but we have to be aware of the glaring issues and risks, and we must take proper precautions if we are to attempt an endeavor like this.
I think everyone should watch this movie before getting into a relationship, really think about everything they're saying and decide whether or not you're ready for a real relationship
This film was released in March 2007, it's over fifteen years later. But things have gotten worse considerably. Ken is too idealistic, and his philosophy and methodology might have worked in the 20th-century and maybe even in the 2000s if you were fortunate, but when the 2010s started, the game just took a nosedive for men. Sal seems to be the kind of guy who is the lone survivor that was right all along with the way things are going now. The game is clearly rigged, and men must take measures to protect themselves and put their interests first (unless children are involved). Now so many guys don't even become "players or womanizers"; they never get involved with women because they never even get the chance, or men just walk away. As a man in the English-speaking Western World, it can be too risky to be romantically involved with a woman, and it's simply not worth it in many regards. - divorce/marriage failure - infidelity - STDs/STIs - paternity fraud/misattributed paternity - false allegations/accusations - domestic abuse - weaponizing children against the father - financial instability/ruin - jeopardized mental health - trust issues - family court I'm not saying we should give up entirely, but we have to be aware of the glaring issues and risks, and we must take proper precautions if we are to attempt an endeavor like this.
@@Trenex1000 you're right about how the game changed in 2010. But now in 2023 it's a whole new ball game. You have to organically meet someone for something to work or it'll never work.
@@CharlieSheensTigerBlood That's fair, but men should work on self-improvement before even being involved with a woman. If a man leads a better quality life, he is more likely to land a better quality woman. A man should commit to becoming a considerably better version of himself and not pursue women too directly and deeply. The men (and boys) that do the opposite usually end up broke, lost, frustrated, used, abused, and/or alone. That means men and boys need to focus on the following things: - education/training/trade skills - resume building - get into a better financial situation - physical fitness - proper and healthy diet - no smoking/vaping - minimize alcohol consumption (or not drink at all) - drink more water (a lot more) - no drugs - no partying - cut out toxic friends/family/partners (or minimize engagement with them, at least) - get more proper sleep/rest - don't get anyone pregnant - don't catch STDs/STIs (or try to get rid of them, if you have any; please get tested) - expand and enrich your mind (read a few books, watch some informative videos on RU-vid, etc.) It won't be easy, but it will be worth it once you become a better version of yourself.
@@jonpowell4246 That is what you call red pill rage; it usually happens when a man first wakes up to the reality of women, dating, and relationships. The key is not to let it consume you and rise above it. A man should use this rage and frustration to fuel his journey of self-improvement and true purpose.
this movie is criminally underrated. Anyone even considering starting a relationship with someone should sit down and watch this movie with them first.
Things like this get said by people who get played he said the thing about indoctrination and said being a tough guy he learnt and bumming in natural.kids are not sexual p.d blue
This film was released in March 2007, it's almost fifteen years later. But things have gotten worse considerably. Ken is too idealistic, and his philosophy and methodology might have worked in the 20th-century and maybe even in the 2000s if you were fortunate, but when the 2010s started, the game just took a nosedive for men. Sal seems to be the kind of guy who is the lone survivor that was right all along with the way things are going now. The game is clearly rigged, and men must take measures to protect themselves and put their interests first (unless children are involved). Now so many guys don't even become "players or womanizers"; they never get involved with women because they never even get the chance, or men just walk away. As a man in the English-speaking Western World, it can be too risky to be romantically involved with a woman, and it's simply not worth it in many regards. - divorce/marriage failure - infidelity - STDs/STIs - paternity fraud - false allegations/accusations - domestic abuse - weaponizing children against the father - financial instability/ruin - jeopardized mental health - trust issues - family court I'm not saying we should give up entirely, but we have to be aware of the glaring issues and risks, and we must take proper precautions if we are to attempt an endeavor like this.
They’re both partially right. A relationship is supposed to be two equal partners. If you treat a woman like she’s too good for you, she’ll start to think she is. And if you treat a woman like she’s not good enough for you, then she’ll find someone who thinks she is
This film was released in March 2007, it's over fifteen years later. But things have gotten worse considerably. Ken is too idealistic, and his philosophy and methodology might have worked in the 20th-century and maybe even in the 2000s if you were fortunate, but when the 2010s started, the game just took a nosedive for men. Sal seems to be the kind of guy who is the lone survivor that was right all along with the way things are going now. The game is clearly rigged, and men must take measures to protect themselves and put their interests first (unless children are involved). Now so many guys don't even become "players or womanizers"; they never get involved with women because they never even get the chance, or men just walk away. As a man in the English-speaking Western World, it can be too risky to be romantically involved with a woman, and it's simply not worth it in many regards. - divorce/marriage failure - infidelity - STDs/STIs - paternity fraud/misattributed paternity - false allegations/accusations - domestic abuse - weaponizing children against the father - financial instability/ruin - jeopardized mental health - trust issues - family court I'm not saying we should give up entirely, but we have to be aware of the glaring issues and risks, and we must take proper precautions if we are to attempt an endeavor like this.
But girls are more attracted to the players. The good women won’t put up with them forever though. The point is have a real, unshakable character, and goals in life that you won’t give up even for a woman. If you have those, you won’t ever let a woman break you. Also, don’t cheat, and demand that she doesn’t either. But today, do not ever trust a woman who is using you for a lifeline but still thinks she can get any man she wants.
@@RamonChickon This is why men must take measures to protect themselves and their futures. A man must be ready and willing to walk away from a woman (or kick her to the curb) at any given moment. Many people (especially women) forget how powerful walking away with minimal damage is. Unless a man’s children (biological or other) are involved, a man should always put his interests first.
That character that Mathew Lillard played is literally me, I wrote a song, and got a locket for this girl that I was dating for our anniversary and well turns out she was cheating the whole time
This film was released in March 2007, it's almost fifteen years later. But things have gotten worse considerably. Ken is too idealistic, and his philosophy and methodology might have worked in the 20th-century and maybe even in the 2000s if you were fortunate, but when the 2010s started, the game just took a nosedive for men. Sal seems to be the kind of guy who is the lone survivor that was right all along with the way things are going now. The game is clearly rigged, and men must take measures to protect themselves and put their interests first (unless children are involved). Now so many guys don't even become "players or womanizers"; they never get involved with women because they never even get the chance, or men just walk away. As a man in the English-speaking Western World, it can be too risky to be romantically involved with a woman, and it's simply not worth it in many regards. - divorce/marriage failure - infidelity - STDs/STIs - paternity fraud - false allegations/accusations - domestic abuse - weaponizing children against the father - financial instability/ruin - jeopardized mental health - trust issues - family court I'm not saying we should give up entirely, but we have to be aware of the glaring issues and risks, and we must take proper precautions if we are to attempt an endeavor like this.
This film was released in March 2007, it's over fifteen years later. But things have gotten worse considerably. Ken is too idealistic, and his philosophy and methodology might have worked in the 20th-century and maybe even in the 2000s if you were fortunate, but when the 2010s started, the game just took a nosedive for men. Sal seems to be the kind of guy who is the lone survivor that was right all along with the way things are going now. The game is clearly rigged, and men must take measures to protect themselves and put their interests first (unless children are involved). Now so many guys don't even become "players or womanizers"; they never get involved with women because they never even get the chance, or men just walk away. As a man in the English-speaking Western World, it can be too risky to be romantically involved with a woman, and it's simply not worth it in many regards. - divorce/marriage failure - infidelity - STDs/STIs - paternity fraud/misattributed paternity - false allegations/accusations - domestic abuse - weaponizing children against the father - financial instability/ruin - jeopardized mental health - trust issues - family court I'm not saying we should give up entirely, but we have to be aware of the glaring issues and risks, and we must take proper precautions if we are to attempt an endeavor like this.
I have never seen this movie, but I have seen this scenes, and I gotta say all of their arguments are right, none of them are wrong, that is what this make this dialogue so perfect, and I gotta say they feel very real.
This film was released in March 2007, it's over fifteen years later. But things have gotten worse considerably. Ken is too idealistic, and his philosophy and methodology might have worked in the 20th-century and maybe even in the 2000s if you were fortunate, but when the 2010s started, the game just took a nosedive for men. Sal seems to be the kind of guy who is the lone survivor that was right all along with the way things are going now. The game is clearly rigged, and men must take measures to protect themselves and put their interests first (unless children are involved). Now so many guys don't even become "players or womanizers"; they never get involved with women because they never even get the chance, or men just walk away. As a man in the English-speaking Western World, it can be too risky to be romantically involved with a woman, and it's simply not worth it in many regards. - divorce/marriage failure - infidelity - STDs/STIs - paternity fraud/misattributed paternity - false allegations/accusations - domestic abuse - weaponizing children against the father - financial instability/ruin - jeopardized mental health - trust issues - family court I'm not saying we should give up entirely, but we have to be aware of the glaring issues and risks, and we must take proper precautions if we are to attempt an endeavor like this.
It's actually what I woud say is probably the most honest movie with regards to the whole men/women dynamic. Whereas the first act showcases the men and how each one comes at from different angles, the second act does the same with women and the last act shows them taking those angles and interacting with each other accordingly.
I watched this film last night and honestly i fucking loved. It has you thinking all the way through about each of their standpoints on what love is and how relationships should be and you agree with all of them. There’s a nice strong of argument from each person to the next which is just perfect.
It also takes a man to open a can of whoop ass for those who wronged you.We don’t believe in karma,we are the karma.Anyone who says men are animals,you’re right,that’s why things get done or we die trying.
God I love this movie! They're all right to a certain extent, and yet wrong too; the nuance and different perspectives on relationships, if you took a little from each guy you'd have it figured out, the question is what amount from each, which parts are the positive and which parts are the negative, etc
This film was released in March 2007, it's over fifteen years later. But things have gotten worse considerably. Ken is too idealistic, and his philosophy and methodology might have worked in the 20th-century and maybe even in the 2000s if you were fortunate, but when the 2010s started, the game just took a nosedive for men. Sal seems to be the kind of guy who is the lone survivor that was right all along with the way things are going now. The game is clearly rigged, and men must take measures to protect themselves and put their interests first (unless children are involved). Now so many guys don't even become "players or womanizers"; they never get involved with women because they never even get the chance, or men just walk away. As a man in the English-speaking Western World, it can be too risky to be romantically involved with a woman, and it's simply not worth it in many regards. - divorce/marriage failure - infidelity - STDs/STIs - paternity fraud/misattributed paternity - false allegations/accusations - domestic abuse - weaponizing children against the father - financial instability/ruin - jeopardized mental health - trust issues - family court I'm not saying we should give up entirely, but we have to be aware of the glaring issues and risks, and we must take proper precautions if we are to attempt an endeavor like this.
@@Trenex1000 Also a mandatory restructuring of divorce/family court proceedings. The women (to some degree at least) are favored in divorce cases, even custody battles. Also, according to attorneys who take up these cases, there is a tendency to misconstrue the husband/father’s character, especially if the woman is losing the case. It’s honestly wild how THAT is allowed, with no evidence to begin with.
Watching thes clips have taught me that there are five types of men who love. Sal. The man that was so heartbroken he becomes a sexual monster, a pig, a dog a player. He views love a sinnacle nonsense and that relationships are just waiting to implode leading to a broken heart. Ken The man who tried and struck gold, the one who whoel heartedly believes that you can find love but knows you got to dig, you got to work at it to find the magic. Tom Similair except he never found the gold, he never got that lucky break he tried and tried and she still got away or ruined it. George The man who seen the state of the dating game and opted out, he knows his odds of getting that one girl are slim to non and unlike sal either lacks the physical attributes or is unwilling to become the monster just to get girls on a superficial level. Wayne Decides it's easier just to date other guys, obviously he can't control being gay but that the route hes gone down.
This film was released in March 2007, it's over fifteen years later. But things have gotten worse considerably. Ken is too idealistic, and his philosophy and methodology might have worked in the 20th-century and maybe even in the 2000s if you were fortunate, but when the 2010s started, the game just took a nosedive for men. Sal seems to be the kind of guy who is the lone survivor that was right all along with the way things are going now. The game is clearly rigged, and men must take measures to protect themselves and put their interests first (unless children are involved). Now so many guys don't even become "players or womanizers"; they never get involved with women because they never even get the chance, or men just walk away. As a man in the English-speaking Western World, it can be too risky to be romantically involved with a woman, and it's simply not worth it in many regards. - divorce/marriage failure - infidelity - STDs/STIs - paternity fraud/misattributed paternity - false allegations/accusations - domestic abuse - weaponizing children against the father - financial instability/ruin - jeopardized mental health - trust issues - family court I'm not saying we should give up entirely, but we have to be aware of the glaring issues and risks, and we must take proper precautions if we are to attempt an endeavor like this.
I remember i happend upon this movie ... its crazy how art can imitate life call me a cornball but this movie gave me an edge when I needed it most and it paid off in the long run in a positive way of course...
Both Sal and Ken are right and wrong here. Just because someone hurts you doesn't make it right to do the same thing to others. It is far better to be a man and live by example for others to see. To close yourself off out of fear that someone will hurt you is flawed, because you will get hurt again and to expect the worst out of everyone you meet is already setting yourself up for failure. Being a player who takes advantage of women is just as bad as a woman who takes advantage of men. That said, it is not your job to teach or train someone to be better. You can inspire, but it isn't your job to change someone. You can't go about expecting the good out of everyone either. That's how you open yourself up to the point being taken advantage of. Sal is the realist and Ken is the optimist.
You don't train anyone to treat you. You can be a great person and still get treated like nothing. The thing is they decided to do wrong not you. You don't change the good in you for no one. There is someone out there good as well. Don't become what you hate is my motto!!!
I done gave up finding a partner in today's time... It's an absolute joke. Women ive talked to don't practice monogamy or anything close to it. There's no chivalry or honesty or even trust now days. Just not worth it anymore. Better being alone then deal with toxic women now. I'm good 👍
This film was released in March 2007, it's over fifteen years later. But things have gotten worse considerably. Ken is too idealistic, and his philosophy and methodology might have worked in the 20th-century and maybe even in the 2000s if you were fortunate, but when the 2010s started, the game just took a nosedive for men. Sal seems to be the kind of guy who is the lone survivor that was right all along with the way things are going now. The game is clearly rigged, and men must take measures to protect themselves and put their interests first (unless children are involved). Now so many guys don't even become "players or womanizers"; they never get involved with women because they never even get the chance, or men just walk away. As a man in the English-speaking Western World, it can be too risky to be romantically involved with a woman, and it's simply not worth it in many regards. - divorce/marriage failure - infidelity - STDs/STIs - paternity fraud/misattributed paternity - false allegations/accusations - domestic abuse - weaponizing children against the father - financial instability/ruin - jeopardized mental health - trust issues - family court I'm not saying we should give up entirely, but we have to be aware of the glaring issues and risks, and we must take proper precautions if we are to attempt an endeavor like this.
This film was released in March 2007, it's over fifteen years later. But things have gotten worse considerably. Ken is too idealistic, and his philosophy and methodology might have worked in the 20th-century and maybe even in the 2000s if you were fortunate, but when the 2010s started, the game just took a nosedive for men. Sal seems to be the kind of guy who is the lone survivor that was right all along with the way things are going now. The game is clearly rigged, and men must take measures to protect themselves and put their interests first (unless children are involved). Now so many guys don't even become "players or womanizers"; they never get involved with women because they never even get the chance, or men just walk away. As a man in the English-speaking Western World, it can be too risky to be romantically involved with a woman, and it's simply not worth it in many regards. - divorce/marriage failure - infidelity - STDs/STIs - paternity fraud/misattributed paternity - false allegations/accusations - domestic abuse - weaponizing children against the father - financial instability/ruin - jeopardized mental health - trust issues - family court I'm not saying we should give up entirely, but we have to be aware of the glaring issues and risks, and we must take proper precautions if we are to attempt an endeavor like this.
This film was released in March 2007, it's over fifteen years later. But things have gotten worse considerably. Ken is too idealistic, and his philosophy and methodology might have worked in the 20th-century and maybe even in the 2000s if you were fortunate, but when the 2010s started, the game just took a nosedive for men. Sal seems to be the kind of guy who is the lone survivor that was right all along with the way things are going now. The game is clearly rigged, and men must take measures to protect themselves and put their interests first (unless children are involved). Now so many guys don't even become "players or womanizers"; they never get involved with women because they never even get the chance, or men just walk away. As a man in the English-speaking Western World, it can be too risky to be romantically involved with a woman, and it's simply not worth it in many regards. - divorce/marriage failure - infidelity - STDs/STIs - paternity fraud/misattributed paternity - false allegations/accusations - domestic abuse - weaponizing children against the father - financial instability/ruin - jeopardized mental health - trust issues - family court I'm not saying we should give up entirely, but we have to be aware of the glaring issues and risks, and we must take proper precautions if we are to attempt an endeavor like this.
In a perfect world maybe. Sal knows what the world is now. High value women know traditional roles but it seems like everything is low value now. You can't make someone change what they have programmed themselves to be. Only they can change it.
It's crazy how this movie is getting so much attention now based off little clips online. I think a lot of people are misinterpreting the "teach them" monologue. If you watch it and think, "it's not my responsibility to teach", well you're right and wrong. Context matters. I like what the character said about the "me" generation because it holds true today. Everyone is out about "what about ME" in a relationship that that are failing to see that in order to be in a successful monogamous relationship it's WE. Monogamy is hard work and requires quid pro quo mentality and the understanding that you are growing together, learning together and teaching each other to be better. Now, obviously, the person has to WANT to be taught. Sal is ultimately and just a hurt, scared little boy. I think we all felt what he had to say about getting hurt. What the character above was countering, and I agree with, is that Sal is so engrossed into his "poor me" mentality and believe that killing his feelings is the best way to go that he is attracting those very people into his life. He WANTS monogamy but isn't monogamous himself. He expects it to just happen but in reality he illustrates no monogamous values. He doesn't go to the girl he's with and say, "I'm monogamous. This is what I'm expecting out of this. I'm looking for something real". No, he's a player doing it to himself. It's really easy to go that route. It takes a man to take the L and have the self-confidence to not let it destroy who you are.
That my friend is a awesome comment. I can tell you I got hurt so bad a couple months back that I started wanting to become Sal. It was mostly a friend-zone kinda thing, but still I tried to kill my feelings by chasing after everything else until I realized that it was affecting my work so I just walked away from the game, and then the girl walked out of my life, and I’ve been devastated ever since. I’ve been looking for an answer on how to go forward, and I think that this showed me.
I really feel in todays standards of dating everyone is sal right now hell I’m sal right now. Everyone especially young guys look at this show/movie from Instagram to Facebook seeing that what there saying isn’t to far off. The big issue is the married man says you got “to teach them” lead by example but you go through enough women/men that you try an teach an they still chose to be un-monogamist they go to the next best thing. It’s hard to get back up and stand tall an try to teach someone what you know an expect out of the relationship.I’m not saying all cases but most of the time us as young men/women think monogamy is outdated. Mostly because women have back up guys just incase it doesn’t workout an now more men “mostly the 5% type of guys” have backup women if the girl a man is currently with chooses to leave him. My own thoughts are I wish could find a girl that is sweet, funny ,and is intellectually fun to talk to. But how the world is going I’ll be happy if I could just get nice to me. But most of the time being nice is fake on both men and women sides.
Go ahead and do that then. Then we'll see if women will appreciate it. The only ones who "will" are the ones who are done with the CC and want to "settle". I'm in law school right now, and a few years later, your money is welcome
This film was released in March 2007, it's almost fifteen years later. But things have gotten worse considerably. Ken is too idealistic, and his philosophy and methodology might have worked in the 20th-century and maybe even in the 2000s if you were fortunate, but when the 2010s started, the game just took a nosedive for men. Sal seems to be the kind of guy who is the lone survivor that was right all along with the way things are going now. The game is clearly rigged, and men must take measures to protect themselves and put their interests first (unless children are involved). Now so many guys don't even become "players or womanizers"; they never get involved with women because they never even get the chance, or men just walk away. As a man in the English-speaking Western World, it can be too risky to be romantically involved with a woman, and it's simply not worth it in many regards. - divorce/marriage failure - infidelity - STDs/STIs - paternity fraud - false allegations/accusations - domestic abuse - weaponizing children against the father - financial instability/ruin - jeopardized mental health - trust issues - family court I'm not saying we should give up entirely, but we have to be aware of the glaring issues and risks, and we must take proper precautions if we are to attempt an endeavor like this.
Both men are correct to a degree although Sal has a much fairer point. The phrase "you can't turn hoe into a housewife" is the sentiment he's expressing. Although the other guy made a point in pointing out that he's being selfish in his "self-preservation mode" and not wanting to be hurt again, he downplays the woman's accountability in the vicious cycle that Sal referred to in the other clip as if women aren't adults but children who need to be lead and "taught". I agree that Sal (and any other young man still stuck in the "red pill rage" phase) needs to take accountability for his own actions and choices that he makes regarding the type of lifestyle he lives and thus the type of women he attracts. Unfortunately there are too many damaged men and women flooding the dating market these days participating in the cock carousel and pussy parade fueling the vicious cycle that inevitability leaves average people to wonder "why should I jump into the middle of the shitshow?". Amazing how this movie is becoming so relevant right now.
This film was released in March 2007, it's over fifteen years later. But things have gotten worse considerably. Ken is too idealistic, and his philosophy and methodology might have worked in the 20th-century and maybe even in the 2000s if you were fortunate, but when the 2010s started, the game just took a nosedive for men. Sal seems to be the kind of guy who is the lone survivor that was right all along with the way things are going now. The game is clearly rigged, and men must take measures to protect themselves and put their interests first (unless children are involved). Now so many guys don't even become "players or womanizers"; they never get involved with women because they never even get the chance, or men just walk away. As a man in the English-speaking Western World, it can be too risky to be romantically involved with a woman, and it's simply not worth it in many regards. - divorce/marriage failure - infidelity - STDs/STIs - paternity fraud/misattributed paternity - false allegations/accusations - domestic abuse - weaponizing children against the father - financial instability/ruin - jeopardized mental health - trust issues - family court I'm not saying we should give up entirely, but we have to be aware of the glaring issues and risks, and we must take proper precautions if we are to attempt an endeavor like this.
All fo them are saying parts of the truth and have closed themselves to their parts of the truth and dont want to acknowledge it. That dude that talks after Sal is the closest one to it, he probably has lived the two things the other guys mention what Sal mentioned (matthey lillard) and what Sean astin's character mentioned all of them are partially right but also wrong.
Make someone else good lol. You can't make someone else good. You can be good. It won't make someone else good.... Regardless, I have always been taught that you do good to others even if they don't do good to you. You do good. It doesn't matter about the other person.
Right. Always do good. But don’t rely on someone who isn’t good. If you do, it will drain away all your energy to do good, because you’ll be miserable. Don’t be “nice.” That just means you ignore who they are and let them into a position to destroy you. Be good. Don’t ask for their approval. Just do what you approve of. If they approve of you and act like you, then you can start to rely on them.
This film was released in March 2007, it's over fifteen years later. But things have gotten worse considerably. Ken is too idealistic, and his philosophy and methodology might have worked in the 20th-century and maybe even in the 2000s if you were fortunate, but when the 2010s started, the game just took a nosedive for men. Sal seems to be the kind of guy who is the lone survivor that was right all along with the way things are going now. The game is clearly rigged, and men must take measures to protect themselves and put their interests first (unless children are involved). Now so many guys don't even become "players or womanizers"; they never get involved with women because they never even get the chance, or men just walk away. As a man in the English-speaking Western World, it can be too risky to be romantically involved with a woman, and it's simply not worth it in many regards. - divorce/marriage failure - infidelity - STDs/STIs - paternity fraud/misattributed paternity - false allegations/accusations - domestic abuse - weaponizing children against the father - financial instability/ruin - jeopardized mental health - trust issues - family court I'm not saying we should give up entirely, but we have to be aware of the glaring issues and risks, and we must take proper precautions if we are to attempt an endeavor like this.
Both sides are right and its hard to find that balance. You have to teach women how to treat you as a man, or else they won't respect you and without respect, they feel no love. However not all women are worthless garden tools, only out for themselves. Yes, women love selfishly, this is a fact. But at the same time its important to understand its based on an instinct of self-preservation that they can't control and lack awareness of. Its why they try to jump through logical hoops to justify their emotions and desires. I believe the balance is, keep your heart guarded just enough so you can recover from any damage dealt to you, while leaving it just open enough to allow yourself to connect with others. Its hard, but understand a woman's selfishness, the majority of the time isn't done out of maliciousness, its purely instinctual survival and yes, when the shit hits the fan, she will sacrifice and discard you as the man to protect herself if she feels in trouble or in danger. But this doesn't mean all women are selfish. You can let them in, but always have an exit planned just in case because people can change and you never truly know.
This film was released in March 2007, it's over fifteen years later. But things have gotten worse considerably. Ken is too idealistic, and his philosophy and methodology might have worked in the 20th-century and maybe even in the 2000s if you were fortunate, but when the 2010s started, the game just took a nosedive for men. Sal seems to be the kind of guy who is the lone survivor that was right all along with the way things are going now. The game is clearly rigged, and men must take measures to protect themselves and put their interests first (unless children are involved). Now so many guys don't even become "players or womanizers"; they never get involved with women because they never even get the chance, or men just walk away. As a man in the English-speaking Western World, it can be too risky to be romantically involved with a woman, and it's simply not worth it in many regards. - divorce/marriage failure - infidelity - STDs/STIs - paternity fraud/misattributed paternity - false allegations/accusations - domestic abuse - weaponizing children against the father - financial instability/ruin - jeopardized mental health - trust issues - family court I'm not saying we should give up entirely, but we have to be aware of the glaring issues and risks, and we must take proper precautions if we are to attempt an endeavor like this.
Best advice ever teach them how to treat you and that respect is more valuable than love because only with it can they, we must set boundaries and be the resistance or they will just have no accountability and self awareness like they do now but they are secretly insecure and project so they know they dont deserve shit, this is why they earn it they respect
@@standardofexcellence This is why men must put their interests first when they are in relationships with women. You’re absolutely right about men needing to set clear boundaries. When you mentioned how many women know or believe they don't deserve to be treated well by a good man, you reminded me of something. I was deeply suspicious of this before, but I wasn't sure. But in recent years, I've understood that this may be exceptionally true. But many men have noticed similar patterns regarding the toxic and narcissistic behavior perpetuated by many women. They rationalize bad behavior, block transparency, and evade all accountability. Men must be prepared for this. A man must be ready and willing to walk away from a woman (or kick her to the curb) at any given moment. One of the most powerful things a man can do to a woman is walk away with minimal damage and let her self-destruct.
@@Trenex1000 trenex you are very wise! The main thing I have noticed is that women have become so narcissistic it's actually a turnoff. It's but completely their fault with the advent of social media, but they have without a doubt become the most narcissistic women in history. Now we have to worry about Facebook messenger, snap chat, and other sites in regards to cheating. What does a man do these days if he wants a family? 🤷
@@gringoguapo Thank You If a man wants to start a family with a good woman, he might have to begin looking in more rural and conservative/traditional parts of the country. There are still quite a few decent women out there, but we might have to put in the work to find them and vet them. You can also go abroad to find women, and plenty of men had success with that when they left the English-speaking Developed World. Once things get serious, you must have the proper mechanisms and fail-safes in place. And by serious, I mean marriage with children. The following things need to be in place and fulfilled. - marital prenup (that will hold up in court) - paternity tests for all children involved (don't sign the birth certificate until you see the results) - STD/STI screening - debt transparency - separate personal bank accounts - criminal and arrest record transparency - substance abuse transparency - genetic testing for ancestry and health; maybe (for the whole family unit)
This film was released in March 2007; it's almost fifteen years later. But things have gotten worse considerably. Ken is too idealistic, and his philosophy and methodology might have worked in the 20th-century and maybe even in the 2000s if you were fortunate, but when the 2010s started, the game just took a nosedive for men. Sal seems to be the kind of guy who is the lone survivor that was right all along with the way things are going now. The game is clearly rigged, and men must take measures to protect themselves and put their interests first (unless children are involved). Now so many guys don't even become "players or womanizers"; they never get involved with women because they never even get the chance, or men just walk away. As a man in the English-speaking Western World, it can be too risky to be romantically involved with a woman, and it's simply not worth it in many regards. - divorce/marriage failure - infidelity - STDs/STIs - paternity fraud/misattributed paternity - false allegations/accusations - domestic abuse - weaponizing children against the father - financial instability/ruin - jeopardized mental health - trust issues - family court I'm not saying we should give up entirely, but we have to be aware of the glaring issues and risks, and we must take proper precautions if we are to attempt an endeavor like this.
@@GokuJR5467 If you believe that is the best avenue for you, then go for it. I'm not blackpilled on women and relationships with them, but I will do my best to take proper precautions.
even if you teach them, they can and will change their mind and use what you thought them with the other man, there is no right or wrong. I think that it's really up to both if you both have being together for so 30+ years it's because yall agreed on something and that's love, you booth love each other and thats it.
Like seriously. The best relationship I ever had was in one with a woman from Europe, it ended but it was no one's fault. It's like most of us Westerners just want superficial and temporary crap and will somehow still have the nerve to say they're lonely. I've meet people that have mail order brides and those relationships seemed far more stable then 90% of ones here, it's like women overseas actually know how to act like a adults instead of a bratty children in relationships
Both are right in their opinions. This goes out as my opinion and I don’t want to see someone saying “fucking off” in the comment section but the first guy was right before that scene ever happened he explained that their are men who act like the “bad boy type” due to having their heart broken by a single girl who denied him. The bad boy who gave their heart out and showed who they are but was met with denial. And it can happen twice maybe three times, shit maybe even five times but it comes to a point where the boy stopes giving shit and starts breaking hearts and becoming a bad boy. Then we start resenting and repeating the words “ never again” until we know the words like their fucking knowledge. I have learned this so many times and I still continue to learn but with different outcomes. I got my heart broken many times and I did the same thing and said the words “ never again” I would hear the words “ get little taller”, “ be little older”, “ you look too young”, “ your too nice”, “ I like you asa friend and I can’t see you as that person”. All these quotes have affected me deeply because I was asked why can’t they see I’ll be most affectionate person to them. Fast forward in high school i grew a bit taller, still looked young but more mature, and still get same response. “ I don’t see you as that person” then I played the teacher card like the second guy. I decided to teach them three girls liked me “ one was potential Model, second was a Christian girl, and the other a close friend who never made her shot.” the second girl liked me for who I was but I wanted the first girl, she had feelings for me but couldn’t find the words and gave up without telling me, which made me broke the heart of the Christian girl, due to the heart break of finding out that the first liked me but never told me and denied her feelings. In return the Christian girl who I talked to the most broke my heart as payback. The third girl was there for me but she couldn’t make her shot due to our friendship. Which I respect but never fully committed to her due to my heart break. I was bitter, I was broken. The first dude had a point teach the girls how to be good but he forgot one thing. I learned this to late it’s their choice whether use those teachings you force it upon them. It’s their choice not yours. That is how you get heart broken. Even though you did the good act by being the better man you get your heart broken. The second guy responded that “ even though us guys or men do that every act” they will still hurt us. Yet against at the same time both are right. Let me explain. I figure out too late after therapy. My insecurities projected through childhood trauma that I won’t get into. Through that showed weakness, such Clinginess, being naïve, over bearing, being too nice, and allowing myself to be used and not being confident in myself. Unfortunately it took the bad boy side of me to understand that and 20 years from the beginning year I was born in the 2000’s to learn that Your heart needs to be Earned never given. Yes it took the asshole part of me to understand that after observing, remembering how guys acted in high school and still learned from people even in TV’s shows how to be more attractive and apply their knowledge with knowledge. After therapy I used that knowledge to make me confident, optimistic charming and I never been more myself. I broke hearts along the way to learn to be the bad boy. I learned that I had to balance the asshole type and a good man without showing any insecurities the only insecurity guy have is I have a hole in my chest due to lack of posture but nothing serious. At the age of 20 girls starting to realize how handsome charming and good-looking I was. Not to be selfish or overly arrogant but I know this due to the girls comments I received at work and your crushes that they had with me. I learned that being a bad boy show me not to take shit from anyone but learn how to be respectful have self-respect and how to be try mean mysterious and sexy at the same time. Managers at my workplace call me a Womanizer due to having receiving or asking for phone numbers through accomplishing the deed. I was shocked to hear the news that they were warn coworkers to bookout for me but I never showed vulnerability that it got to me which made me more attractive and more sure of myself that my intentions were good. What’s going to be perfect absolutely not I did have some failures and repeated attempts to learn from all those attempts. I showed the potential girls that I could have a relationship my heart but not every day. I only showed my heart to the people that deserved it and my respect and love to have around to see the real side of me but those who haven’t I will respect them but I will have my limits and I will have my boundaries even if that makes me the asshole or the bad guy. People who see that not to mess with me or use me for step all over me. A good amount of girls have seen that much more than the rumors and the managers have told them. You should never be too nice but you should learn how to be kind and learn to let go of ego and I go the bad boy persona every once in a while on a specific moment to show that you have a heart and that you care. This my friends is how I learned and save my failures of the past I now understand why I went through those things and why I continue to learn. Both of these men are right we just have to learn and applied and I said they give us we just need to know how to do it ourselves and of course everyone is different not all can accomplish this but they will certainly find a way to do it their way like I did. My heart may be broken by another girl in time in the future but I will surely be more prepared for it and come back stronger and I will learn from it. I hope this helped Edit “ you gotta learn how to balance between the two. Never be too nice but be kind, be the asshole but be a good man, never cheat but kiss and have sex with the cheater but never date the cheater. LOL I would always remember that.
This film was released in March 2007, it's over fifteen years later. But things have gotten worse considerably. Ken is too idealistic, and his philosophy and methodology might have worked in the 20th-century and maybe even in the 2000s if you were fortunate, but when the 2010s started, the game just took a nosedive for men. Sal seems to be the kind of guy who is the lone survivor that was right all along with the way things are going now. The game is clearly rigged, and men must take measures to protect themselves and put their interests first (unless children are involved). Now so many guys don't even become "players or womanizers"; they never get involved with women because they never even get the chance, or men just walk away. As a man in the English-speaking Western World, it can be too risky to be romantically involved with a woman, and it's simply not worth it in many regards. - divorce/marriage failure - infidelity - STDs/STIs - paternity fraud/misattributed paternity - false allegations/accusations - domestic abuse - weaponizing children against the father - financial instability/ruin - jeopardized mental health - trust issues - family court I'm not saying we should give up entirely, but we have to be aware of the glaring issues and risks, and we must take proper precautions if we are to attempt an endeavor like this.
@SodiummChloridee I agree with this quite a bit. It's not a man's business to instill positive qualities of human decency into his woman; she should already come packaged with that. I've noticed so many women nowadays make all these serious demands on men when they are in no position to do so. When these women are single mothers with multiple children (all with different biological fathers) and have STDs they can't get rid of and are swamped with debt, how is a “good man” that has his act together supposed to take you seriously?
You can't teach a grown adult to have integrity and self control ... doesn't matter how monogamous you are of your partner lacks self control and integrity its their own fault not yours.
To an extent. I believe you can mitigate most of the actions a woman might take that is not in the best interest of the relationship. I believe if you are a super cool successful dude she will be in love with you as long as you provide and keep her satisfied sexually. After she agrees to go "all in" with you it's all on you to keep the frame and dynamic of the relationship strong. Problem is that shit is fucking hard. The male eventually gets comfortable and the woman gets dissatisfied and they break up. Usually it's because the man simply forgot he was the captain of the ship, he couldn't afford to get comfortable and yet he did. Had his wife take the helm and steer them into a glacier. That is what usually happens.
And thats why you cant force your values to someone who doesnt want to learn them, you find someone who is willing to learn, of course this isnt and easy thing to do it takes time and hardwork.
This film was released in March 2007, it's over fifteen years later. But things have gotten worse considerably. Ken is too idealistic, and his philosophy and methodology might have worked in the 20th-century and maybe even in the 2000s if you were fortunate, but when the 2010s started, the game just took a nosedive for men. Sal seems to be the kind of guy who is the lone survivor that was right all along with the way things are going now. The game is clearly rigged, and men must take measures to protect themselves and put their interests first (unless children are involved). Now so many guys don't even become "players or womanizers"; they never get involved with women because they never even get the chance, or men just walk away. As a man in the English-speaking Western World, it can be too risky to be romantically involved with a woman, and it's simply not worth it in many regards. - divorce/marriage failure - infidelity - STDs/STIs - paternity fraud/misattributed paternity - false allegations/accusations - domestic abuse - weaponizing children against the father - financial instability/ruin - jeopardized mental health - trust issues - family court I'm not saying we should give up entirely, but we have to be aware of the glaring issues and risks, and we must take proper precautions if we are to attempt an endeavor like this.
I hate that there are people watching that think when he said "We're down by 9 touchdowns" that he meant nine points, no he meant down by at least 54 points, also you cut the best part out
I shouldn't have to teach a woman monogamy. A real woman would already know what that is. But the simple fact most of them are little girls. Little girls that need a someone who's gone through personal growth to make them better for the next guy. So yeah, it is depressing and hurtful to be constantly reaffirmed of that fact no matter how many girls you go through. It makes you jaded and you lose hope. Not that there was any reason or benefit from any hope. It's not a "woman" in the world that doesn't look at a man and assess what she can take from him.
