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@Streaky_com 5 лет назад

Not sure if the sound change is coming across on the video as well as it does when you try them in your room. Have you heard these in your room? How did they sound?

@OSCOMusic 5 лет назад

Yeah, it just about comes across but it's like any but of audio gear. You need to hear it in person to understand how it really sounds.

@richieroar84 5 лет назад

I can hear the difference. Even with my iPhone headphones.... The bass sounds a lot tighter and together ON. Very obvious, to the point I thought it was the music itself but you can hear the kick has more body in the low end overall. Now all a brother needs is two thousand british pounds!

@artificialisland2442 5 лет назад

Does this complement sonarworks?

@ensabahnur1939 5 лет назад

since we are talking room correction, I'd like to hear your opinion on the Trinnov for room correction and then go in the other direction and say your opinion of using Focal Clears with Subpac for those situations where you're in a bedroom.

@Catandbeats 5 лет назад

@@artificialisland2442 I think when he says you don't get cancelation at 3:32 that also means that sonarworks would not have give a massive eq boost where a 'null' would appear. Therefore Sonarworks will color the sound less.? I have the same question btw haha

@Jean-Pierre.B 5 лет назад

Hello Streaky, a real valid test would be some measurements using REW for instance. Cheers, Jean-Pierre B. Acoustic Designer

@FoxVK Год назад

It will just prove it is nonsense... Someone please correct me. This is just speaker moving its membrane at the same speed as air in front of membrane. So it affect only affect only very near space . In this case the only reasonable place is to put it right behind my head it could simulate opened window behind me. If the speed of membrane is different. It generates another sound traveling through space and the result is it just moved noisy and quiet places to different places in the room. Well using this I could create limited space for my head where bass is good but to have 1 cubic meter big area I must generate waves like at least 4m long so it means i will work from frequencies below 86Hz.

@12copablo 5 лет назад

This is the future! Would be nice to have measurements of the room with and without.

@costinvaly1 3 года назад

This

@Oneness100 2 года назад

They aren't treating the Axial room modes, which are the biggest problem. Putting low frequency absorption in the corners is a fool's errand. Axial modes are between 2 parallel surfaces NOT 2 parallel corners. There are other better ways to treat Axial modes, the only problem is it is more expensive, and you need big, heavy boxes of diaphragmatic absorption, but the results are staggering….

@C--A 2 года назад

@@whome3911 Don't listen to Oneness recommendations! He's recommending Acoustic Fields. The owner Dennis Foley got kicked out of AVS forum. After regularly getting corrected on numerous acoustic facts by other forum members lol.

@patrickalphenaar 5 лет назад

Nice Review thanks! But to expensive for me as Amateur. I am actually happy now with the low end in my room, i positioned the monitors at were i heard the standing waves, alligned the Sub and dont hear them anymore hahahaha. Actually good bass response and all the way down to 25 hz in a small room. If i had the money having the avaa’s is much easier! Cheers.

@doflamingo85 2 года назад

what about kii three, instead of buying 5000 dollars of those and 5000 of speakers can i just purchase kii three and have a controlled base experience?

@jabroni1498 2 года назад

do these work with room correction like dirac? or would i have to correct my FR above 150 hz only, and allow these to work below 150hz?

@medusa_lives 4 года назад

Streaky, would you use these with your Kii Three BXT system or does the DSP negate the need for these? If you dont use these but a different bass trap with them, what do you use? Thanks friend!

@malcolmgoldie 5 лет назад

I’d like to try these but 4k for two is too much for me, (or 8k for four). Sounds very interesting though.

@woopeedyscoop1858 Год назад

seems like it just will add more issues instead of fixing them. and if bass in room is shit there is 2 ways to go - headphones and just listening on lower levels in closer field

@IliasPanteliasGR 5 лет назад

Hi streaky! I want to buy at least two also. Do you think someone without a subwoofer would need this? I dont speak if you have avantones but PSI 17 for example? Another question: Do you still use the BLA MK3? I have lyra 2 also and I was consider buying one. Does it make a such a difference when printing a track? Its worth it?

@hermanvisser4034 2 года назад

I really enjoy your reviews Streaky. Always very interesting.

@craighillcomposer 2 года назад

Really interesting idea, but unfortunately out my price range currently. Are these basically playing back a phase inverted version of the low end to cancel out some of the low end?

@supabayes3284 5 лет назад

Great review. I am using the AVAA and Trinnov Amethyst in a treated room. Fantastic results

@DJURBANBG 3 года назад

Do you think you can use one AVAA and have effective results in a room 15 squares ? tnx

@MarcoVialeBakmaind 2 года назад

@@DJURBANBG I’m in a 25m room and I’m trying a pair right now. I can tell you that also only one does a great job, at least in my room. With two obviously it gets even better but not twice so much, if this makes sense. So I’m planing to buy one and maybe later a second one. Its not night and day but you can clearly feel that the low end feels more even and clear. I’ve placed a spl meter in a corner and I’ve measured the amount of sound pressure this AVAA’s are able to cut off. In my room almost 10dbc less spl with AVAA engaged.

@socialsyndicate4730 4 года назад

I'm planning on getting this but I can only afford 1. I might be able to couple this with traditional trapping. How effective would only one set between my speaker be?

@davidkorn782 3 года назад

I would absolutely invest that 1k + on standard traps. You can do a LOT for 1k

@Heartbeatzofficial 2 года назад

Would you say buying only one of these and puting it in only one corner would work or would it mess with the symmetry and the stereo image? I'm considering getting one of these but 4k for a pair ugh... you can get a nice pair of monitors for that price if you know what I mean.

@gleblasarew6714 5 лет назад

Been looking at those basstraps for a while now. Thanks for the review! :)

@Streaky_com 5 лет назад

No probs..."they do what they say on the tin" V. clever stuff

@GaryBradleymusic Год назад

Blimey! I can hear a (subtle) difference even on my mobile phone speaker! £2k ea too steep for me now but in next 2yrs? Tx

@joevegna 5 лет назад

I'm looking into buying some really nice speakers for mixing. I am yet to understand why some speakers are "mastering speakers". Should I not use mastering speakers for mixing and what's really the difference other than the label on the speaker?

@leomignonneau1765 5 лет назад

Good question, someone please clarify!

@boltonsound 5 лет назад

Mixing monitors tend to be near-field. Mastering ones are mid/far field. Mixing speakers tend to accentuate the mid range, mastering speakers are always full range and usually passive.

@sKarredtoon 5 лет назад

I think it would be better to invest in a Trinnov room correction system. Takes care of more problems in a room, even well treated ones.

@mattiasfridell2619 5 лет назад

Not the same thing. You can use Trinnov (or better Acou rate) after the PSI for better performance.

@zxcvbnmmification 5 лет назад

Ever use or have been around tube traps?

@the_newvoice 3 года назад

That's what i'm talking about! Thanks!

@DanDuskin 5 лет назад

I can hear the difference just fine, but I think your microphone might be a bit too close to a reflective service because their is unchanging comb-filtering from about 400Hz and up or so.

@stevespacek8893 8 месяцев назад

I could hear more bass(subtle sub frequencies) in particular, everytime the traps were engaged. Did anyone else notice this?

@joeyf808 5 лет назад

Damn these things are expensive!

@juststuff5216 3 года назад

… but is the expense worth it!

@OlaB245 4 года назад

There is no difference at all between the on and off.

@dougleydorite 3 года назад

Yeah.... the only other video on this product does the "on and off" thing and i just cant appreciate any difference.

@ThaFruitbat 3 года назад

Wow, amazing bit of gear!

@dncviorel 5 лет назад

Really subtle difference, I guess it's not really worth it if your room is well treated as I suppose yours is.

@juststuff5216 3 года назад

I can't hear £2,000+ per sub difference! I agree with you, I think there are other cheaper avenues one could find!

@MarcoVialeBakmaind 2 года назад

@@juststuff5216 don't be fooled by the audio recording here on RU-vid, I'm trying a pair of them right now and they do their damn job.

@joshd265 4 года назад

What’s the name of the track in this video? Tune!

@TFWandyzilla 5 лет назад

So how do they work? Why did you make this video without investigating first? Please give out more info.

@jimjay8828 5 лет назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1bRz7yXiLNg.html

@Streaky_com 5 лет назад

I had a convo with the ceo of psi last week and he told me all about them which I tried to get across in as basic a way as possible...TBH I’m not actually 100% interested in the mechanics...I just like hearing stuff and commenting on the sound.

@MusicGearNuts 4 года назад

@@jimjay8828 by catching the moving air and disturbing it to dissipate the energy, using subs to fire across the wave once it's inside the box I think...

@drampadreg1386 4 года назад

Well these do peak my interest, but as you said about bass traps. they need to be 1/4 the length of the frequency which is up to 70 feet long, or 21-22 meters so unless you have unlimited real estate that's not an option. But Helmholtz resonators are only about 7" thick and contain 6.5lb/ft squared rigid corning fiberglass insulation, and I designed a set that can be instantly changed for different spaces or say when you have 30 people in the studio and things change. And they are great for getting rid of 90 degree angles too and you can make them yourself. That's for other poverty stricken engineers/ musicians recording at home. All thanks to the R&D of the BBC and Alton Everest. Just an option for us poor folks, but I'd love to open these up and look inside!

@MusicGearNuts 4 года назад

How did you work out the specific frequency? As in, what size and thickness of the sheet to make?

@Oneness100 2 года назад

I would go for diaphragmatic absorption and put them along the walls if you can't build them into the walls and ceilings.. Diaphragmatic are more efficient because they aren't tuned to only one frequency like the Helmholtz resonators. Helmholtz just is more of a hassle and the size depends on the frequency you are going after, and you need a LOT of them to get enough coverage.. I'd go with Diaphragmatic. WAY more effective on a per sq ft basis. you can get build plans to make diaphragmatic absorption cabinets at Acoustic Fields and you can use whatever fill material you want. This is just another option.. Most rooms have a range of or many frequencies which is why Helmholtz aren't necessarily the best solution.

@C--A 2 года назад

@@Oneness100 Acoustic Fields owner Dennis Foley is clueless! The guy said placing subwoofers up in shelfs is better than on the floor for home cinema 🤦🏾‍♂️🤣

@Oneness100 2 года назад

@@C--A Actually, I have talked with others that have installed home theater systems, that have compared sub woofers on the floor vs raised up and they ABSOLUTELY agree that it sounds better raised up off the floor. It's not how the sub woofer mfg's market their products, but that doesn't mean anything. I don't have a home theater setup right now, so I don't have the ability to test it, otherwise I'd run my own tests. You should try it and run some measurements and see how much difference there is.

@Oneness100 2 года назад

I visited a couple of his rooms and one room he had subs raised off the floor and it sounded just fine. It was VERY well integrated so it was very smooth, unlike many rooms I've been in where the sub wasn't well integrated to the rest of the system. He has measured the differences, so it's been verified. You should try it before you knock it.

@Mr.Jessecr 5 лет назад

Ive tried this in a treated room and the difference was so little, we decided they wasn’t worth it

@lrama6999 5 лет назад

I heard that quite often...

@Barney-ii1no 5 лет назад

Gimmick

@Nullllus 5 лет назад

I went to a hospital being fine and they told me I don't need any medication. Weird. Hospitals are gimmick.

@leomignonneau1765 5 лет назад

@@Nullllus good analogy.

@medusa_lives 4 года назад

Streaky, do you still use the AVAA's with your Kii Threes w/BXT?

@Streaky_com 4 года назад

No my new room is massive

@abdo-dr1tu 2 года назад

Man you didn’t even bother doing one frequency response measurement before and after. I want my 5 minutes back.

@bilby9143 5 лет назад

Hello, Thank you for the video. Is it possible for you to post up a video demonstrating AVAA C20's with sound turned on and off? Thx,

@gavinlamp 5 лет назад

I NEED TO GET A PAIR

@saardean4481 4 года назад

2000 per absorber. Black Friday style

@Kaotix_music 4 года назад

"...they're 2000 pounds" me: goodbye.

@meshplates 5 лет назад

Kii, Eikon, Geithain or Dutch & Dutch speakers create cardiod bass dispersion patterns (through dsp or less effectively via passive techniques) which avoid the necessity for these fancy active bass traps. One day all highend speakers will be cardiods. Until then, old tech will speakers will continue droning and room booming away and trapping bandaids will continue being praised as attempts to solve a problem that can now be avoided in the first place. Same old same old ancient tech speakers (unchanged since speakers the dawn of audio) with their uncontrolled omni bass dispersion patterns are so yesterday. No matter how much you tart them up with distracting fancy cabs and no matter how many active or passive bass traps one slaps on, one is trying to bolt the door after the horse has already bolted. Better to prevent cancer than try to cure it. Question your jamming old tech Focals into corners regardless of how much trapping is stuffed back there. All old tech speakers (except corner horns or infinite baffle built into walls) have to be set well away from the side and front walls to try to reduce (but never solve) room boom.

@mikelo303 5 лет назад

Thanks for company names. Interesting information.

@lrama6999 5 лет назад

That is simply wrong! The mentioned products are cardioid to about 200Hz and maybe a little below, most room modes are below that. Of course they have a tighter low end than traditional speakers but they do not make bass trapping obsolete that is simply nonsense.

@meshplates 5 лет назад

@@lrama6999 I rest my case: "Of course they [speakers with cardioid bass dispersion] have a tighter low end than traditional speakers." The amount of bass bouncing around the room is reduced at source, rather than trying to catch it afterwards with bass traps.

@lrama6999 5 лет назад

Mark Donen lol and you completely ignore the fact they don’t do that below 200?

@lrama6999 5 лет назад

Also this does mainly help reduce SBIR In that range and not room modes as that works completely different!

@drampadreg1386 4 года назад

I didn't have to tear one apart! Here is a video from PSI explaining in detail how this works, very interesting! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fw2Oj7QB0FQ.html

@ravithompson1082 5 лет назад

It means if we listen to your mastered song on an average room (consumer room) the bad frequency will be even worse

@MitsurgyS 3 года назад

No! not at all. here's my understanding of it. Everyone's room's change the frequency response of the sound being played by the monitors. So instead of flat spectrum: Lows --------------- Highs It can actually be more like: --^--v---^---v-----^-----v That device in the video is configurable, so, as long as you know your room and what you need to flaten, you can target your problem(s), resulting in a more realistic mixing/mastering process. Plus it is amazing that you can ajust the target frequency, this product is futuristic. TLDR: ANY song in the market will sound bad in some rooms, but, the more realistic the mix/master was, in terms of what the engenieer heard, the better the result will be, granted that the engenieer is making the right changes during his work.