@@bama539 Well, maybe if he finished his course, maybe then he would be qualified to fix your shit. Taking a class only counts if you graduate, bud. If he only had two years in the program, that means he didn't pass.
I've had a plugged flue before so I forced the furnace on by bypassing the switch, the amount of exhaust that backed up filled the garage and house within seconds, I had to grab the dog and air out the house for an hour or so, then I found the plugged exhaust, You sir may have saved a whole family from death. instead of just fixing the hole and getting paid you stepped up being the professional you are, thanks for bringing pride in your work to the whole profession.
I’m a retired electrician and was just talking with a friend of mine that is a master plumber and a builder about how it used to mean something to say “I’m a professional “. Nowadays all it means is that you do it for a living.
I hear what you are saying. But professional always meant that this is what you do as a profession... to earn your living. Being a professional was never meant to mean you know what you are doing or are an expert in the matter... just that you earn a living from it. One assumes a professional would have more experience but it's not always the case. The opposite would be an amateur... meaning you do not do the task to earn a living but you could have far more experience with that hobby than a so-called professional. Amateur does not mean you don't know what you're doing or that the job will be of poor quality. Many of us are amateur cooks and many could beat "professional" chefs. Thumbs up for bringing this important clarification when dealing with so called "professional".
I think it's rare to find a truly honest, competent professional. Just seems most pros are careless and as a DIY amateur I can typically do a much better job. Therefore I do everything I can myself. Repairs done right the first time and saved tens of thousands over the years.
Even on this install, being an electrician, you had to notice the Romex isn’t supported going to his switch. So while a better install, still not correct.
I was in the attic to run Ethernet, when I first opened the access I felt air coming out, and it wasn’t to hot on a 90 degree day. Only to find out the supply duct came halfway off. Who knows how long it’s been like that
I wonder if home warranties are a big part of it? I'm yet to be impressed by any of the "hacks" that have been sent to our rental to fix things...saying it's fine to leave fully exposed electrical connections ("as long as nobody touches it that's fine" sure right). I'm not an electrician and unsure if its technically a code violation or not...but I do know it's very sloppy looking and seems like un-neccsary risk. Similar stuff with plumbers sent by the home warranty...water valve sprays all over when you try to operate it? That's fine, it's not leaking in the normal position don't worry about it and they leave, and the home warranty says if its not currently leaking its no problem. I've never heard of a water valve in a house that is "normal" to spray water when you try to shut it off, that's a funny kind of "normal" to me.
Yep it’s hard people value there work differently. I don’t mind paying for labor but pricing is all over the place. So the industry has a lot of bad actors
As a very successful HVAC sales professional I would like to say they absolutely do not ALWAYS choose the low bidder. It is up to you to prove to them why they should choose you, and why you do things the right way. Customers are looking for value. If you help them understand why doing things the right way costs more, they will pay more.
I greatly appreciate your post on safety. But I watched the after video and point out something that should be addressed. First should have a electrical cover on switch and metal covering on the romex after it left the floor joist. The drain on condensing furnace should go into a open trap. They should not be tied in with ac drain with out a opening to atmosphere. Modern furnace have a large demand for air and tight fin rations. They encourage you to use 4 in pleated air filters. I didn't see accommodation in the return air. But the real big one is storing the gas lawn mower in the area of the furnace. The room is not fire rated, could suck gas fume into the house and your burner sucks air from the crawl for combustion. Where any gas fumes could be ignited.
Great install. I’m a American standard dealer and I love those stubby new furnaces that trane and American standard came out with. As always love the videos
Wonderful catch! They are very lucky they had that leak else they may not have known the danger until next fall, and maybe too late then. Full replacement was the solution I had in mind from the time you showed that cobbed up electric box - glad they were able to pull that off.
Good job with the new equipment! One thing I could never understand about goodman is why they stub out the suction line of the coil in an odd size. Here is what probably happened. That guy put a swage in there to open it up, in order to fit the 3/4 line in. Then, the swage went out the other side there where you had the leak...That is by no means any excuse for the original installer.
I’m guessing the 4 dislikes are from uncertified “technicians” that do that type of work everyday and think it is ok. I also see sloppy work on a somewhat regular basis and wonder how many installers actually at the least flip through the installation instructions. I like to read the manuals of the equipment we offer to become more familiar. Skim through the book the night before the install helps a lot. Caring helps a lot to 🤦♂️. Nice work on the fix!!
Man, when you found out the chimney had been removed that was terrifying. Thank God for a draft switch and rollout, but as a commercial tech that moved to the south from up north that shit scares me for what I might find.
You're a good person to not only do it right the first time, but especially since you offered to help them get justice, i.e. financial compensation since these systems cost a fortune and it is heartbreaking to see someone pay that much money and not only develop a leak so quickly but also have quite a dangerous installation. So what do you think caused the enormous hole in the suction line where the major leak was?
My thoughts exactly. The unit is going to run itself to a quick death without gas. I have seen many cheap units with only a high pressure switch. The compressor overloads serve as the low cut out, poor design.
I just had the exact same issue last week. A new roof was installed and chimney stopped below the roof. Furnace and water heater gasses were venting into a knee wall attic space for over a year before the new owners of the house noticed water saturation on the drywall. Furnace was only 6 years old so we installed a chimney liner and finished it properly. It’s just criminal!
Thanks for looking out for your customers. You probably saved a life or at least some sickness. Sad that there are installers out there with no care or concern for people or their craft. Thanks for sharing
Wow! That's crazy.. nice video .. I'm an 11 year H3 licensed contractor (36 years experience, mostly new construction / change outs).. not sure if anyone commented on it, but I noticed the liquid line was kinked off at the coil where the hack installed the piston...
Total Hack Job with the Electric & Plumbing Nothing supported, no connectors, open conductors, no equipment ground, The improper flue piping could have been deadly.
As a remodel contractor here in SC, I get a few calls a year from 'home flippers'. I politely decline their work right off because of these situations. I lay this botch directly at the feet of the flippers and less so on the 'installer'. I say this because they're own greed came back to bite them. They took the cheapest labor and equipment to line their pockets off this flip. They knew this installer was cheap and that's all they cared about. I doubt they cared about how his work looked or even if it performed correctly. Admittedly I only watched this once and really hope I missed something here. One rule to live by: NEVER WORK FOR FLIPPERS!!
I serviced residential systems for two years. I saw some of the most unbelievable shortcuts and hacks imaginable. I touched an outdoor unit one day and got a 240 volt surprise. The entire casing was electrified. I tracked down the installer, told him he nearly killed me, and he laughed. I shouldn't have taken it personally, but I did. He accidentally hit my fist with his nose.
If they had gotten an inspection, when they bought the house, maybe it could have saved them some money. That is an install that you and your crew can be proud of good job!
Brandon Abernathy I’m sure there are good inspectors but a lot of them suck. They are yes men working for the realtor. A good inspector needs to have a ton of knowledge and a good eye.
@@clintmullins4406 The HVAC guy I hired to do a pre purchase inspection on a house we were buying told me he had never seen a finer installation and it was all first rate equipment. We ran into each other about a year later at a party. He was pretty tipsy and let it out that he had done the original install.
Here in Ca. Home Inspector is just a "Real Estate" label. Inspector could just be someone with no construction experience what so ever. I am a GC, and work on all systems, but for a new property inspection or turn over I always have a Sparky check the electrical, HVAC Pro the heating and air, Roofer the Roof, Bug guy the bugs, and Plumber camera the sewer. That way their are no surprises.
That install was a night mare, death trap waiting to happen. Good catch on the chimney. Questions: The romex wire should be in M/C flex where I live in Denver. Do you usually one a one pipe system for the vent. Some manufacturers want the combustion air and vent in the same atmospheric.
I am not a certified A/C tech but do all my own work on my properties. It is shocking some of the rigs I see. My homemade air conditioner I built in 1998 still works fine. As an amateur I find my work to be superior to most licensed A/C contractors I have encountered. I get offended when some supply houses refuse to sell to me because I don't have a permission slip from the government but if I was not able to do it myself there is no way I could have a good system without being mired in unsustainable debt. Also I prefer steel duct which no one here uses on residential so I just fabricate it myself and even put the thermostat wire in conduit to avoid rats., The refrigerant lines are through the slab and in underground conduit with the valves covered because we have had a huge problem with huffers draining the system to try and get high.
I do installs and i nearly flipped my lid when i saw that unit under the house.... just absolutely terrible! No sense in quality anywhere. What a shame.
when I saw that solder job at the ID coil figured that it was probably going to be the service port inside there melted all to pieces and leaking. Good call on that chimney! Old Ted taken care of business. They are much better off now and won't die prematurely. ☠️☠️☠️
@@larrygreenwich9712 I was trying to figure out how they put the hole in that line. All this crap work but he does de burr his tubing. Good thing he did and you got involved probably saved that families life
Love this format! It's always nice to see the remediation of large issues, very satisfying. Kind of why I love this work. I am curious how they blew that huge hole in the suction line though.
I just had a system installed in our house and with the people I was dealing with to fix my old one time after time, I was blown away with the stellar differences between a shade tree service tech to a professional. It totally changed my mind with the profession and glad I dropped the money for the new one, professionally installed.
Per the IMC, all outside refrigerant access ports are to have locking caps. Dryer termination caps are not to have any screens or restrictions. Per the IFGC and manufacturers installation manual, the gas supply piping is suppose to be hard piped out and flexible gas line connected at that point. Flexible gas hoses are not to pass through the cabinet walls of appliances.
Oh god. This is the last place I’d expect to see one of Joe’s viewers. It looks about the same quality of work as the flip house though, don’t you think?
Here in Texas that would be considered a shit job of an install the coil doesn't match up with the furnace so it's uneven plus the equipment is Goodman and there's nothing good of a Goodman I agree total hack job terrible my guys would be fired on the spot
Wow great job it looks like the previous installer was very cheap and not licensed and/or not enough experience. I enjoyed watching your video 😎😎👍 and especially when you found that hole in the copper. That reminds me of shoddy contractors. Excellent catch man you are incredible 😎
I thought you might absolutely not touch this one, not wanting to be held liable for any butchery you might have missed. That switch reminded me of the time I crawled under our house and found the 10-2 that served the dryer outlet wire-nutted to a piece of 12-2 from the breaker box, and just left lying on the ground.
The main problem with HVAC, Solar and many similar system installation is that extreme markup cost by HVAC, Solar, Auto work..etc companies. As an example, a 3 ton unit with the coil will cost $1500-1800, but an HVAC company would easily charge $5000+. This is not how it used to be in good old days. People are getting poorer and poorer and information are readily available with internet, so its not uncommon that people take a chance and try DIY or try to go cheap because consumers simply can't afford (most of them). Not trying to justify a poor work but telling what's going on. Of course this is a horrible installation.
Great video, what a hack! Here in Kentucky we are weary of putting 90% furnaces In crawlspaces due to condensate freezing. Maybe you are farther south!
It almost looked line the video was carefully shot and edited to avoid showing a full frontal view of that missing faceplate. You couldn't even install one without trimming of the bottom of the faceplate since the box is flush with the furnace.
Why should the filter line drier be inside with the evap coil, I’ve seen plenty of units come from factory with the filter line drier installed inside the condenser.?
Final electrical inspection might not have been done yet. I'm in the middle of a project and my inspector wants to see the faceplates I'm going to use, but not installed yet.
I do not know where you are located but where I live the electrical disconnect is not allowed to be installed on the equipment. I know installers are instructed to put a P-trap on all condensate drain lines but they are not needed if the evaporator drain pan is on the pressure side of the fan.
Very good on up grading to high efficiency furnace job looks much better only one thing I would had done different the drain coming out of indoor coil I would had installed a TEE before the trap with a cap so drain can be cleaned I see to many times on new installs no one wants to install drain clean outs. It's not much more work nor more money to do so when you sell the customer a twice a year service the tech can completely flush out that trap with hot water and bleach to help prevent mold growing in AC trap and also able to drop one if those chlorine tablets that customer will never have a issue with backed up drain. I know some people just locate the end of drain line and use a shop vac that's my last resort flushing cleans drain line and also tells you 100 percent you got it unplugged that just how I do it everyone is different but I never had a block trap or drain line by doing it that way
what's a Romex connector and Romex wire? Romex who????? 😂 I hate that about recent goodman on their lower seer (14 and under) condensers. There's no low pressure cutout. Arghhhhhhh. It'll let that compressor run aND run with 0 gas.
That, and their service ports are a total bitch to get to, especially on the smaller one ton units. I usually take the rear panel off before filling since the valves are usually right up against the damn body.
That first install looks like someone who said to himself: "Hey, I'll just buy some equipment, watch a few RU-vid videos and go for it. How hard can it be?"
The quality of nearly all the installations both AC. And electrical are absolutely diabolical, there is no way we would get away with that in the uk. Shocking.
The moment you mentioned that this house had been 'flipped' I knew there was going to be serious issues. I'm sure there are flippers who do repairs and upgrades properly, but.... I'm equally sure those folks are the minority.
I couldn’t count the things I saw wrong on that video. Not to mention they had line and low voltage going in the same knock out. Yes they need to sue for not only one of the worst change outs but endangering there lives not being vented. Also you need to let your customer know not to store gas cans under the house. An inspector would tear that person up who installed this. Great video
I noticed you're using one of those Chinese 410A bottles you can get on eBay. How does that work out for you? The price is great, but I'm hesitant to try it for fear of what might (or might not) be in the tank.
Novice HVAC tech here. I have 2 months of installs prior to 10 months of service. I'm trying to think, even if you know nothing about how to install a furnace except watching a few timelapses of HVAC builds, how you could *possibly* mess something up *that* bad in the evaporator coil... what, did he not feel like melting the seals was enough, that he had to point his braze torch into the pipe to blow a hole through it too?
My house is 40 yrs old. My first heat pump was an amana .it was a single unit that blew air out the end.l would put a few drops of oil in the cups and that was it. Lasted 22 yrs. wouldn't go into defrost, kept icing up.replaced with upright carrier,so far so good.
Probably the roofers taking the top of a failing brick chimney down below roof line and not realizing it was being used to vent, or would later be used as a vent. One would think the owners would notice a big area of melted snow/ice on their otherwise frozen white roof.
I'm shocked that the insulation didnt completely burst into flames and also totally shocked that nobody died of carbon monoxide poisoning or got sick from the venting not being attached. That hole in the evaporator was giant, it looks like they somehow managed to get a screw into it. The new install is quite a bit better than the old. Good work
Power switch must be in a box properly secured to the unit or to a structure adjoining the unit, must be installed to NEC, and must be fused after the switch.
That is the difference between taking pride into your workmanship and just looking for profit! Most younger journeymen just see dollar signs and not quality in their efforts, I've seen it on aircraft, automotive and space industries where the workers DO NOT CARE ABOUT THEIR OWN WORKMENSHIP and that costs the customer and/or taxpayers major amounts of money. Plus most of the poor workmenship is done on the elderly because they trust those whom supposedly know their arts but again see the elderly as repeat customers and/or easy paydays. As a professional mechanic/technician/craftsman it makes one sick on the poor quality I've seen in my time as an A&P Mechanic, Automotive & Diesel Technician and as an USAF Master Aircraft Maintenance Craftsman, I never have taught my trainees on how to cut corners and if I have found out that they do cut corners then I counsel them the first time then discipline the next, by either disqualification or termination! I was brought up the old school way take pride in your work because if you screw over enough customers then your no longer in business and have the headaches of major law suits against you! SO TAKE PRIDE IN WHAT ONE DOES FOR A LIVING, IF YOU JUST PUSH PAPERS OR WORK ON AIRLINERS, PEOPLES LIVES ARE AT STAKE DOWN THE LINE FROM YOUR JOB!!!!
Wow, I'm an HVAV contractor and I have seen bad installs, but none as bad as that Goodman unit. You need to stop using that foil tape, it is not a permanent sealing product. Do it right and use brush on duct mastic like DP1010 or similar.
I could’ve told you from hearing that compressor that there was no charge left in it. Who knows how long they ran that condenser dry like that. They should lawyer up, get their money back. And get a new system installed correctly. Go after the builder/ “flipper.” Side note: That home inspector should be fired. How was that flue “venting” missed?? Absolutely appalling.
This is why one should not even look at a flipped house. Looks like the flipper installed it, no inspector would pass the electrical box or the flue. House flipper's take as many short cuts as possible, cheap out parts and only fix what they need to "sell". Bad thing is, anything short of a civil suit, folks are screwed. Seller will claim that they paid a fella and had no knowledge of the install quality. I'd go through and inspect the rest of the house very carefully for other code violations. Goodman makes low priced quality AC systems, the installer on the other hand must have been unskilled to screw up the install that bad. Those folks are lucky to be alive.
That's what happens when you have guys that work in maintenance departments at hotels or small appartment complex that think just because they replaced a capacitor to a unit and it worked now their certified hvac tech in their eyes lol
I'm working towards my HVAC license and 608. Thanks for the videos, I always learn something. I have to say, even as a "newbie" to HVAC I know better than use the chimney for flue or combustion, level the furnace and A-coil, and I can properly solder the line set without melting anything. The previous installer...well, that's why you always use a licensed contractor that you research before committing. Saving a few $s at first can cost you in the long run. Thanks for sharing, and keep the videos coming.
On you install, the furnace must be a 90% + eff, because of the pvc flue. Are you relying on the crawl space vents for combustible air? Hope they don't close them in the winter like most people do or encapsulate the crawl space.
HOW ABOUT THE KINKED LIQ. LINE BEFORE THE PISTON BODY ? HAHAHA ! This type Works keeps the good guys in business and will never go out of business. DAAAAAYM !
Wow, I can't believe that original installation. I live up in Minnesota, and we really don't have crawl space installations like that. I like having my HVAC in a nice clean basement, on a concrete floor.
I work for Goodman. I sell it every day to guys that have been installing it for decades. I know Goodman isn't considered the best quality. But these guys day in and day out install these without issue. It's "installers" like these that give Goodman, or any brand, a bad name. This is beyond a hack job. This is a wack job. Probably unlicensed, unsupervised, etc. Terrible.
There is good and bad with all grands by every manufacturer. If you want to manage your reputation as a brand ambassador then sell to licensed technicians only and prevent some of this from happening ... just a thought !
