People forget Google is a tech company. Google effectively forced their partners (ISP's) to upgrade their infrastructure for them. Since slow internet speeds was hurting google's brand.
@@nasis18 I would assume that is because we implemented that very early on, and later implementers had access to better tech? And replacing slow but working infrastructure is something that the US might be choosing not to do?
Considering how big America is, the fiber rollout for each state/major population took priority first before going for smaller areas. They offered better speeds and allowed monopolies over internet to be bypassed because google had been increasing their search for suitable places to connect.
What's funny is ISP stagnation was only a thing on the consumer side. However, on the datacenter side, speeds are going up and up and costs are dropping by roughly 20% year-on-year since bandwidth and internet speeds are a big cost center for businesses they are constantly trying to optimize and there are many players competing for their business. Consumer ISPs were just able to get away with shitty service because of a lack of competition.
It’s not because of lack of competition, it’s because all involved parties have decided to screw the consumer unanimously…. This has been a growing problem in many industries. The constant hatred and distain towards the “entitled consumer” is getting worse and worse. Same thing is happening in the work place too. Higher ups hate the employees below them and all… It’s terrible
There's monopoly in the "Tier 1 ISP" market too, BUT, yes, at the end, the Business having transit has very good cost. The negotiation that happens between providers too exist here, and they slash prices by a huge %age too if you find something similar from a different provider, and economies of scale applies here too so if your transit requirements are like many Tbit from many provider, you pay really cheap per Mbit. and not to mention, those big players have more direct ways of reaching their destination with stuff like "Peering, IXP", etc. They anyways try to avoid Transit as much as they can, but it's not purely possible.
The cost to an ISP for providing business internet is lower because the businesses provide the internal infrastucture to their users. Also one customer with one bill for a contract is easier than 100 customers with month to month service who create the same amount of network traffic.
Well, it's also at least in part because there are 10,000 customer wires to be run for every business wire to be run. If I want to connect two data centers, I can pay to have a bundle of fibers run between them for way less than a separate fiber for every house. That's exactly why phone lines and cable tv lines were the primary means of delivering internet. That last little bit from the corner of the block to each house on the block is (or was) very expensive.
This was actually a very smart move.... I couldn't imagine being stuck to 50-60Mbps even in today's state of the internet. Recently my ISP (Spectrum) Bumped my speeds up to 350Mbps from 200 free of charge. I have been seeing quite the uplift even here, in the middle of nowhere. But sadly, no fiber exists here
Well, I'm in Los Angeles, like a mile from Universal Studios... still no fiber on my area either. My speed has also increased with Spectrum as well (yay!) but maybe the ISPs need another kick in the pants to keep installing fiber.
Be glad you don't live in Germany. I live in a very rural area, we literally cannot get more then 100mbps. I have 60mbps and have to pay like 50€ per month. Internet is just awful here.
Eh, 350Mbps is more than most households need. However, the benefit of fiber is you generally get a matching upload to go with your download. I have Cox fiber and get 250/250 and it is pretty awesome.
Man I wish. By the time next year rolls around, charter will be charging me $75 for a fraction of that (300 Down/10 up) I experienced my first bump in price a few months ago to $65 from $50…… T-T
@Alucard oh my goodness. I had spectrum before and it was the same thing with price hikes and a harassment level of advertisements through the mail, phone calls, and texts. I think I even paid more for the pleasure than I currently do. Then when I tried to discontinue my service they ask why, I told them, and they said that was the industry standard. I was pissed. Never looked back.
I also feel like you left a really crucial detail, in that one of the other reasons why Google Fiber became a thing (even knowing that they won't be economically successful) is due to the whole net-neutrality scandals. The ISP's started targeting video streaming services such as Netflix & Hulu, and even RU-vid ended up getting caught under the crossfire of having to pay the ISP's massive amounts of "fees" for how much 'demand' they were placing on the ISPs. Google being the only tech company that had the power to create their own ISP to make a statement unlike the other companies who essentially never owned their own infrastructure and were all hosted on AWS, decided to do just that: Tell the ISPs that if they don't change their practices on how they treat the streaming services, Google will create their own ISP infrastructure and take out the middle man. Their success with Google Fiber, showed the ISP's that this wasn't just Google talking the talking, but that they could actually deliver on their threats.
Glad to see some explanation that makes sense to me, because the ones in the video didn't seem great. Am I the only one? maybe I'm slow lol. They didn't attempt stadia until several years after fiber was rolled out, but at the time I don't think they care about gamer ping or fast Steam downloads. Hangouts is a social media platform, do they really need 4K for that? Classroom doesn't seem intended to make money, though I can see how it might use a lot of bandwidth. I guess I'd like to know some specific stuff that uses bandwidth that's so high that it requires fiber, cuz it doesn't seem like the average home consumer needs it, and I'm not sure what Google planned on offering that definitely needed all these competitor-built fiber connections.
Google Fiber has been in Irvine CA for years, but AFAIK it's only available in certain large apartment and condo complexes. I guess it wasn't cost-effective for Google to run fiber to individual homes (or even to the curb).
This doesn't make sense to me as a cell site technician. We use a lot of fiber optics because it is A LOT cheaper than copper on runs over a few dozen feet. The expensive bits are the SFPs on either end of the fiber to connect to the switches and routers. I could see only running fiber to the road and copper to houses. Despite the cable being more expensive, terminating fiber is labor expensive and you don't want it where the customer could mess it up.
This has to do with how it came to Irvine. The Irvine Company made a deal with Google directly(2016) to bring Google Fiber to its properties, and not a deal with the City. I don't know if there is an exclusivity deal, but I imagine there is. Most of Irvine was built/upgraded with underground conduit making it a lot easier to deploy fiber if they want to. SCE is actually using the conduit to give business' 100gig fiber lines.
Something similar occurred in Nashville. Google Fiber basically only exists in a few highrises downtown. Comcast and AT&T blocked them from being able to access their phone poles to run fiber to other parts of the city. Which would have been more cost effective than digging and burying a bunch of fiber. So the rollout didn't get very far. But when AT&T Fiber rolled out they matched Google's price of $70 a month for two years and then extended that another year or two before raising the price. By that time Comcast started rolling out their gig speed offering. Hat tip to Google for finally spurring fiber expansion in this area. I enjoyed FIOS in Philly but was forced back into the slow lane when we moved back to TN 10 years ago. We were the first house in our neighborhood to have fiber run to it.
If that's the case then I'm surprised that they don't offer FTTC (Fibre-To-The-Cabinet) which is offered in the UK by Openreach whereby fibre-optic cables only run to a cabinet on the street with datastreams converted over to a pre-existing copper cable but I suppose Google doesn't already have that infrastructure in place and making deals with the likes of AT&T likely wouldn't help them...
I had dial-up way back in 94. Had a whopping 14 kbps. It would take several hours just to connect. Kids these days will never know what actual slow internet is.
Google fiber is seriously the best thing to happen to my internet. I purposely moved to an area with it because I was sick of Xfinity, century link, etc. They are actually expanding quite rapidly in my area. Constantly seeing neighborhoods having them come through and install the infrastructure. If you have them as an option, DO IT.
Part of the problem was government failure across several administrations. The government didn't want to build a fiber infrastructure. Instead, they allowed the telecoms companies to charge their customers to fund this rollout. Surprise: they didn't. The companies were caught pocketing the money. They then were allowed to charge customers yet again to fund the rollout. And guess what? Again they just pocketed the money. And as you correctly point out, Google understood the negative impact this would have on their business growth serving web based services.
why would the government build a fiber infrastructure for big corporation? I say that is not a failure, they just know they shouldn't. if they do, shame on them for doing it instead of spending the money for other important things, and if they don't? shame on them coz the corporation is now charging it to the people? . . . typical grumblers.
@@ChibiKeruchan Private corporations didn't build the nation's highways: the government funded that. You gonna complain about that too and ask why the government bothered to do it? Do you enjoy getting it up the ass by corporations? Do they pay you for that or do you just let them do it for free?
@@ChibiKeruchan the government set aside billions for fiber and gave it companies. That money just somehow disappeared no one has answers, I would do some research onto it if you have the time. Also the govt. is what made electrification across the country possible. Without govt. support that would not have happened. Govt. has subsidized what it deems necessary equipment in the past and it should also do so for the internet for rural America.
I remember when Google Fiber was first out, I was struggling with 2 MBps, which was the best they offered. I desperately wished for google fiber in my area and I hated how slow internet was across America, especially compared to other countries. Nowadays, I am routinely offered Gigabit, and even though they're still wiley with the "up to", I can typically rely on at least 40MBps, which is amazing compared to a decade ago. So if this really was intentional, I thank Google for managing to improve the broken ISPs
@@heloxiii8894 definitions of measurements don't change. The length of a meter hasn't changed in 20 years. Neither has the size of a bit, a byte a megabit or a megabyte.
This is similar to how Google buying Motorola was also a huge success story, they paid a low price to stop a lot of patent trolling which would have hurt Android massively. (And even in a very rural part of Denmark, I'm having 1 Gbit fiber internet)
@@tonycrabtree3416 good for you buddy. Glad you're enjoying your fisher price phone that you paid over a hundred Ben Franklins for. I'll stay in my lane and keep enjoying my 600 dollar android phone.
@@SeanGonzalezMDHEXT Google didn't update my RAZR MAXX HD after 1 year of ownership and basically forced me to buy another phone in 3 short years, so all my apps would work properly. How's that cheaper than owning a 700 dollar phone for years that works perfectly? Anyway, this isn't android v. iOS...it's google doing something shitty in regards to a phone brand. Motorola was the king of cell phones and now? Hot garbage. Anyway, stay triggered!
I have it and LOVE IT 🤣 $70 1gig up/down. Was down once in 2 years....some kids messed with the main box down the road. It was fixed within 4 hours 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Perfect strategy when you think about it the higher speeds people have the more internet they will use and in turn, a lot of google services will be used more.
I remember when they switched to fiber in my area. We went from 25mbps speeds to 200mbps for the same price. I used to wait entire days to download games that now take a few hours
Google are actually pretty smart. They threatened the traditional ISPs forcing them to upgrade their stuff so they wouldnt become irrelevant. End result is now much faster internet is in many more homes. Which Google now benefits greatly from increased access to their services and of course the ability to show many more ads. All at what im sure is actually pretty minimal cost to Google
I've had google fiber for the last year and it's easily the best internet I've had with very little hassle. Also the superior up time of the service is absolutely fantastic!
I have Google Fiber in the Research Triangle region of North Carolina and it's been great. It may have pushed AT&T and Spectrum to up their game, but unlike AT&T I have nearly 100% uptime, and consistently high speeds both ways (something Spectrum couldn't match). So at least it works here.
In a rural area where fiber isn't available, the best option has been Verizon's 4G cell network. 50 mb/s currently compared to the max 25 mb/s spectrum provided despite advertised 100 mb/s. They can advertise what ever but they never delivered. Plus the cost saving was huge. Anything for more competition I am in favor of.
I live in an area where fibre is not available and recently got starlink and regularly get 100mb/s download and a decent amount of the time I get over 100mb/s and the upload speeds are between 10-20 mb/s some up to 30
@@cmdr1911 yes the down side of starlink is it expensive to get into and it is more expensive per month them most other ISPs Where I live we could only get 25 download and 0.5-1 up and for me it only $20 more so it was definitely worth it for me I wander now with starlink If ISPs will expand fibre to at least some of the rural communities
@@dogcat823 Unless subsidized under the 2022 infrastructure law, I don’t see fiber optic connections being expanded to rural areas. I also think that 5G connections will make it unnecessary. I live in NYC and switched to a 5G provider and for $50 a month I am getting gigabit up and down (practically like with all gig services lower when it goes through Wi-Fi to my devices). In my building, I can get gigabit FIOS, and two cable companies with down load speeds in the gig range but I chose and love this simple 5G solution.
When QWest had a monopoly in the area I live in, it cost $120 (once you include all the fees) for 20 mbps and that was the fastest you could get. Then a competitor showed up and prices dropped while speeds soared. That’s why I find the consolidation of so many of these corporations concerning. It’s gives them disproportionate power over the market, which ultimately screws over consumers.
It's funny how the US is sooo behind Europe when it comes to the internet. 500MB, 700MB and 1GB are very common now. Here In Romania, where I live now, the minimum is 500MB with some exceptions of only 100MB in case of an outdated infrastructure that is getting updated. I'm paying 7 USD per month and just got updated for free from 300 to 500MB with an upload of 250. My provider does not offer the slower 300 anymore. And there is no data limit. I did download sometimes up to 2TB a month next to my streaming and that's totally okay. And we didn't need a Google to come and disrupt the market.
I was lucky enough to live in one of the first neighborhoods in the 2nd city that actually got google fiber rolled out (and before their micortrenching debacle). But even in the cities that "have" google fiber, only a small percentage of the city can actually get it.
I think I figured this out before the ISPs did. I used to sell fiber optic service and there were areas where it was installed already for years but we couldn't sell it yet because of dealing with municipalities and all the cable companies. I thought there's no way Google is gonna go through the pain and expense of making this a real thing. But they sure scared the industry for a second.
@@LogicallyAnswered Yeah, but it seems like that's 'their plan all along' when they get all ambitious about changing the world in some way that is usually something nobody wants and is disconnected with reality. Like really, who's gonna adopt a new google 'game changer' at this point, the people who got suckered by Bitconnect back in the day and are now all salty at Logan Paul? It'd take that level of stupid to believe a thing Google says. And yeah, i'm still part of the 25% of Americans stuck at 1mbps on a good day, but usually more like 500kbps for our only service. One day i got 2mbps down from the arch repo, i think the data had a tailwind that day. Today the wind is blasting and videos are buffering at 360p.
Use to work at a major ISP and this is so true. One of our former CEOs went on record saying "...customers don't want faster internet speeds." It was also widely spread info that gigabit speeds were impossible on a cable network. Present day, that same cable network supports gigabit speeds and customers have been taking advantage of it.
They know they're lieing out their asses, they just don't want to spend the money to upgrade their network. They can say whatever the hell they want when they're the only ones with the power to collect the money.
In the words of a one of my favourite tech tubers “competition is good”. Even if Google was only doing it as a bluff, they forced the companies in that space to step up.
I live in Louisville Kentucky and everyone was anticipating the new fiber product from Google One of the problems was the contractors they hired to install the fiber there was five or coming up out of the trench es they installed they didn't dig deep enough so when winter hit all the sealant would start coming up in the streets degregating the service.. but you're right about AT&t they started rolling out fiber everywhere but as soon as Google fiber pulled out of Louisville all the expansion stopped lol so we still effectively only have two genuine ISPs in a city the size of about 750,000
Google was always upfront about their concept with Google Fiber. The notion was always to be the halo product offering to prove the viability of 1 gbps fiber at that time. now, here in Canada anyway, Bell Canada is offering 8 Gbps for a bit over $100 USD and things keep getting faster all the time.. Google really invigorated the speed race in connectivity.
A lot of what stalled google was construction due to securing and rewriting easements and permits for either aerial installs or using directional drilling that was expensive, disruptive, time consuming and caused a lot of damage. Once they switched to microtunneling it’s solved a lot of their issues. When the power lines were buried here, it took just over a year start to finish mostly due to planning and legal, with the bulk of the construction lasting about six invasive and disruptive months tearing up both my front and back yards. Google microtunneled at the same time and had the whole neighborhood finished and my home switched over in just a couple weeks, with just one noisy day for construction on the street only. ATT only offered 40/5mbps and spectrum was 400/20mbps, or 900/50 for $200+/m with a $600 install fee. Now at 1000/1000mbps for $70/m, no install fee, they’ve been easy to deal with, good support, reliable and had been waiting years to ditch spectrum.
Indeed, Google refused to do things the way they had been proven to work for decades. They don't know how to do 90% of the stupid things they try to do. Being an ISP is just one more on the list. Microtrenching doesn't work. Literally everyone in the industry knows this, yet Google had to be different. When all their fiber popped out of the street, they simply wrote it off and walked away. (that's KY, btw.) One Touch Make Ready(tm)? Universally bad idea. In the few places where they got their way, they screamed bloody murder when other ISPs used the rule, and touched Google's infrastructure. Here, AT&T's installation took *a day!* They didn't make a mess. They didn't break anything. If you didn't see them working that Friday, you'd never know they had ever been here. Google, on the other hand, took a dozen contractors *6 days* to do the same work. They were loud and disruptive. They cut holes in the pavement. They made a mess of the grass. They left massive mud holes. AND they cut the cable hard line, outside their permitted and marked area. There's no way anyone could miss Google Fiber being installed.
Its going to be intresting in my Area. Google Fiber has the Green light to come here and they are promising 10 gig speeds in my market. So it will be interesting to see what Cox communications will try to pull to compete with the speeds.
I’m in Kansas City, and google actually offers 5 gig for $125/month. Right now I don’t need those types of speed and am getting by with 1 gig for $70, but a 5x speed increase for a 56% price increase is damn good for the money if I ever had the need
In India, I started my internet journey in Cyber Cafes having Dial-Up connections. Later DSL based broadband was introduced in early 2000s with speeds over 256 Kbps and upto 2 Mbps. Later on in mid 2010s DSL was getting speeds around 40 Mbps. In past 5 years Fiber internet has spread like anything with speeds upto 1 Gbps in less than $50.
If I remember correctly some of this was common carrier issues and threats of charging tech companies for traffic on networks. Google Netflix and others were battling a the telcos even though most of the backbones were paid for by tax payers. They were calling telcos bluff
well, it gets quite pricey on the bandwindths going on between likes of google and ISPs :) where fridge size equipment is only one of the connections in between and serves only that connection
Att just upped their offering of max 1 Gbps to 5Gbps just because a start up fiber provider in central Florida sent mail out to a bunch of people saying they'd offer 10Gbps. So att had it in them the whole time but never cared to offer.
True, even in Austin they're offering 10gbps residential fiber, but AT&T has data caps while Google Fiber is truly unlimited Edit: they don't have data caps for fiber plans. Might try them lol
The city I lived in paid for all houses to have it, been enjoying it for a few years now. I pay for 100mbps but they mistakenly left 1 port at 1000, I hooked that one to my computer, not complaining......
This video didn't mention the elephant in the room. That governments blocked the roll out of Google fiber as they were favoring the established companies. It's so tough to go thru the city, state, etc regulations and authorities and the bureaucracies just to establish home internet. Plus some apartments are not allowing Google to install fiber as they have exclusivity contracts with the established companies.
I was so happy when some people started a local ISP a few years after Google fiber decided not to enter our market. I particularly hate the cable company and I dislike the phone company. I had to buy internet from the cable company because I had no other choice. In a one-year time span 22% of the time the internet was not working. no they wouldn't give me a discount or cared when I told them it was interrupting work. This is one of many situations of why I hate them. The local ISP caused the cable company to lower their highest internet plan by ~$100 a month and increase its advertised speed by over 900 megabits per second and there's still more expensive. The real speed is closer to 700mbps and the ping is about twice as high as our local ISP. In my opinion still one of the best examples of competitive intrusion. Every time they expand to a new neighborhood they get about 60% to 80% of the customers in that area. Not to mention initially as you can see above they were probably about order of magnitude cheaper/better. Just recently they doubled or more all of their speeds for their plans leaving their competitors in the dust again. you actually get 100% the speed you pay for too assuming the other side can support it. At about 1 gbps or more you might not see full speed when downloading. This may or may not be because of your ISP or the website you're connecting to just doesn't have more bandwidth to spare then that. If you get a download server with 10 gbps of connectivity. Well at the 1 gbps isp plan that server could support approximately 10 people at full speed. How often do you think you're going to only have 10 people on that server. That's not an unreasonable example for a lot of smaller websites.(or worse but they're generally not sending lots of large files or have a CDN between them)
I was always jealous of the USA for having 1gbps speeds! However we got fibre in 2009 connected to our home and it was 100/100, now we have 1gbps as well, so in a way I had glass fibre since day 1 basically but didnt get the major speed till years later
lol dude. The USA lags way behind most other developed countries when it comes to internet speed. I can personally guarantee you that the vast majority of the USA does not have access to fiber internet for x y z reason. There are areas with really great internet and you can go a few streets down and have absolutely atrocious internet speeds. There's a neighborhood not too far from my old high school where they (the school) has a 10 Gbps fiber circuit through AT&T. That nearby neighborhood can get an incomprehensibly fast 0.7 Mbps down and 0.5 Mbps up with AT&T with a 1 year contract. Here in the US, everything is about money. Money talks. Internet providers will do whatever legal or illegal thing they can do to maintain their infrastructure the least amount as possible and to expand or upgrade their foot print the least amount as possible all while providing terrible customer service support. There are exceptions of course, but in general, the largest telecommunications companies: AT&T, Comcast, Charter/Spectrum, Frontier, etc are considered to be absolutely terrible in various forms. In a lot of places, the incumbent internet provider bribes, I mean lobbies, local politicians so that they (ISP) are the only provider in town and/or make it extremely difficult for other providers to attempt to come into town.
@@JJFlores197 tell me about it. A local fiber optic ISP just laid lines up the street and stopped at the edge of my court. My area was in a buildable area and then they changed it last minute, such bs.
@Javier Flores oh I didnt know that haha, we've had fibers since 2009 in my town. However they are still connecting other cities in my country, but most places here have fiber.
I still hope that the fiber revolution will still grow. and maybe Google fiber can still become a greater success? I want to see the whole internet reinforced to be stronger for all. More highways and such.
my dad runs a small business internet company and spectrum and the like are such predatory companies, my dad has been able to thrive because so much of ohio has yet to put ground cables down in rural areas, so theyre able to give internet to those areas the big businesses basically ignore. It's insane the hoops the put in place though, I had hoped america was supposed to support competition not big businesses being bullies
I live in the K.C. area, Google wont even cover all of K.C.. Big suburbs like independence, and blue springs can't get the service, and this was their flagship market. Even though some areas are less than 3 miles away from fiber enabled areas. Google has no plans to finish their rollout. How do I know? I worked for them on the fiber project.
Don't know about Google fiber, but remember the Google airplane that wants to send wireless internet to everyone, don't know what happened to this project?
I am using google fiber to post this. I have had both att and google fiber in my area and have enjoyed them both. I have lost trust in your content. This makes no sense. They are still expanding and it’s certainly not dead. love atts fiber product as well but you painted a very ignorant view of reality at best, at worst you are generating misleading content. You gave literally zero evidence to suggest it’s failing
It's funny how former Soviet countries have better internet than Germany today, because there was no existing infrastructure for the ISPs to piggyback on, so they pretty much had to build out _something_ if they wanted any customers at all, and if they build infrastructure, then hey, it might as well be fiber
I would suggest you make it clearer that all those videos are opinion pieces and not actual facts. Can be misleading to people who do not know enough about the subjects to not realize that a lot of facts are distorted or misrepresented. Otherwise, I enjoy your video and appreciate you editorial point of view in most of the subjects you cover.
I had google fiber for a while. It was very inconvenient. It was only available where local municipalities had a fiber network set up (mine did then the city canceled the project). You were locked into multi year contracts. If you needed help you were put on a month long wait list. It was about $100 a month for just internet, no phone or cable tv. The internet speed was fast tho, my ping in CSGO was 5ms.
They're expanding now.. AT&T has been fighting them on zoning and now they got access to few more areas. But AT&T offers 5 and 10gbps plans while Google only has 1 and 2gbps. Still better plan and peace of mind and truly unlimited data.
Didn’t Amazon have an even bigger incentive for a faster network speeds, considering AWS and Alexa? Also crediting google with the ISP monopolies increasing their speeds thinking google is a threat, I would imagine these billion dollar companies can run through more in depth analysis to realize the same thing you did but in real time.
We got google fiber when they made it available at our address in Nashville about two years ago. Never looked back. It was significantly better than AT&T fiber which we had before. It may just be because of how good Google’s Nest mesh network is, but our internet is significantly more stable and fast than with AT&T fiber or Xfinity. So google fiber is still expanding, just not quickly
the earliest fibre Roll-outs in the US started in the 1980s with the miltary fibre backbone which stretched from fort wayne Indiana all the way to DC and up and down the eastern sea-board the government of the US allowed ISPs to use the backbone for cross city traffic while the host cities such as fort wayne just continued rolling fibre since it was cheaper than copper which lead fibre to the node deployments as early as 2001, the slowest internet i grew up with was 75/75
oh after reading the rest of your comment that's surprising i am glad i wasn't born at that time because i would be much harder. and the world can have faster internet then the past.
@@trtrhr Fort Wayne was the defense contracting capital of the US since WWII, however it has slowly shifted away to dayton ohio and ft worth texas. it was central to most of the factories who built aircraft and tanks which is why it became the defense contracting capital
Where I live, the only 2 options are Comcast, and att. Att only has 50mbps dsl so Comcast is the only good option. T-Mobile 5G home internet recently became available so maybe Comcast can face some competition now.
I'm in the same situation in my town. I tried T-Mobile's 5g thing and it was terribly slow. I tried in 2021 and most recently in late 2022. It seems worse the 2nd time. I can't get more than 35 Mbps no matter where I place the gateway in my house. Most of the time, its slower than 10 Mbps. I'm going to be cancelling it soon.
If they want fiber to be successful they need to get it in more cities, thats the whole reason I haven’t gotten it, literally just because it’s not available where I live
Sadly, the upload bandwidth hasn't improved alongside the download bandwidth. AT&T certainly has, but companies like Charter fiber doesn't. I tried to get Fiber in my area to host a server. Charter was the only option. They advertised 1 gigabit speeds and when I asked if this included upload they said yes, but that was a lie. After getting it installed I learned that while the download speed was around 600 megabits per second (just over half what they promised) the upload speed was just under 1 Megabit! My cell phone had a better upload rate than that! So it appears that most of these companies just invested in the download infrastructure and put no effort into upload except for those who were directly challenging Google like AT&T. The worst part is that because of the monopolies in place there's no way for anyone to compete. What if, instead of giving the telephone lines to a single company in a given area, the cities maintained them and all companies who wanted to use the lines could do so and had to share in the cost of maintenance. Then you wouldn't have to bury fiber because you could use the telephone polls and anyone could start their own ISP like used to be the case in the 90's. We'd see healthy competition pushing prices down and features up.
I had a 300/300 fiber connection just outside of downtown Vancouver through Telus who installed fiber into our 1994 artist studio condo a few years ago and it had true upstream bandwidth but the dirty bastards block port 80 and 443 on the domestic connections so you can’t serve standard web services without paying for the commercial service, unlike the cable co with their 15mbps upstream (300 down) which they left wide open. I could have gotten 1gbps down but the upstream was still physically maxed at about 300mbps due to the type of fiber used within our unit (more durable but not as high bandwidth) so I felt like paying more wouldn’t be worth it just for a bit more potential downstream speed, which I really didn’t need since I had no 4K TVs at all.
@@SchwaAlien You could potentially get around that by using an encrypted VPN connection. At least in that case, since they couldn't inspect the traffic, they'd have no excuse to throttle you.
@@Elliandr presumably most VPNs won’t let you forward port 80 and 443 into your server without quite a bit of money. The one I was using allowed one port that was assigned randomly to be forwarded, so not terribly useful even though it was a paid service.
@@SchwaAlien Depends on the VPN service. I use ProtonVPN. I paid ahead for 3 years and no such restriction appears to exist, but then my upload bandwidth isn't high enough to test your use case. You could ask them ahead of time of course. For servers I'll likely pay a friend to leave it plugged in at his house a short drive away. Seems to me that there should be businesses whose sole model is to have a place to plug a box into the internet that the customers fully owns and manages.
ATT Fiber is no where near ubiquity. They have major coverage gaps. In my street Google Fiber is the only fiber player. ATT offers 50 Mbps DSL. Google Fiber is rolling out 8 Gbps speeds for $150. Also Cable internet was always faster than DSL for the most part. DSL has major distance limitations.
Google Fiber bought Webpass in 2015 (I think). I wish they would have went full in with Webpass technology once the ISP's and local municipalities got in their way in particular states/cities
Idk from what I can tell, anyone who has accessibility to Google Fiber prefers it over any other ISP. You pay $70 every month, that's it, no hidden fees or payment increases. Can't say the same for other ISPs. I love my google fiber (gigabit up and down).
This video is extremely misleading. It says AT&T is cheaper, but that's just flat-out untrue. AT&T will not even price match GF's price, much less BEAT it where I live. Also, they left Louisville because they were trying a different approach to laying the fiber in very shallow cuts in roads, filled in by a new substance that was supposed to protect the wire. That substance failed and was just breaking down, so Google had to give up. Also, Google's real issues with the service right now are just in relation to the TV offering, which is the same issue hitting every cable company. For those who just want an ISP, Google is doing extremely well. You're correct that Google Fiber achieved what they wanted to do, but I don't think they're going anywhere.
I wish they would expand in the cities they're already in. Here in Atlanta, two streets down they have Google Fiber while on my street it's either 600mbps or 1gbps Xfinity or 5mbps AT&T....yes that's right, FIVE mbps.
Makes them think that they actually know something. Lots of RU-vid videos have people who just drone on and on and basically put you to sleep. Zzzzzzzz
I'm getting an average of 720mbs/down 700mbs/up at $70 with Google Fiber. Can't really complain. This is however on a high capacity ethernet connection.
1:20 $140 billion isn't enough, they need to make a law where everyone gets access to cable or fiber internet cause it's annoying not even getting 1mbps on dsl. But I finally got cable internet because I got spectrum to spend $80,000.
Yes, the thought that this might be the reason behind Google's fiber shenanigans, had occurred to me before watching your video... but retrospectively of it _"failing miserably"._
Meanwhile, in Greece we have 3 isp (which in reality is only one but alas) that make bold statements like "fiber to all houses by 2027" or "average speeds of 100mbps or more" yet they never upgrade their infrastructure, they just started giving out fiber and gbit connections and if you're in an area that is "taken" by the other 2 isps you are screwed cause they have no money to create a fiber network, yet they still took the area with the promise that they will. I'm in 2023, with an adsl connection in the middle of the capital with 16mbps(thank god its not 8) and 1mbps upload. Most sites straight up cancel uploads cause they take so long. My internet connection gets disconnected every 30 mins. I wish I knew things would be like this cause I could probably build my own isp with the amount of money ive wasted leaving my pc open to download games
If only companies actually offered this kind of internet now. Gotta be in the city for anything more than 13mbps though. Any remotely rural-ish area gets trash internet. Just sucks. Internet has become garbage again. Gotta use 5g for slightly reliable service that's not charter, spectrum, or comcast. At least google got it in the cities. Just wish the US gave a crap about anything other than money. Gotta charge 100 dollars a month for 200mbps that constantly has outages every week, has horrible upload speeds, and uses only their routers lest you loose features you're paying for.
COVID and all the shift to WFH ironically showed that there is plenty of capacity to handle all that traffic that was no longer internal to the office, meaning ISPs really were holding back and seeking rent off of retail customers.
sadly, ISPs seem to mostly be investing in new construction. there's still a massive amount of already existing homes and businesses that are still stuck with 100 mbps or less DSL
Love your videos but just a suggestion, when showing screenshots articles, the date is not visible for long or sometimes at all. I know the title is key point but the date would also give a good indication of how relavant the data is and persons can better source the article used.
This is a totally inaccurate history. In 1996, GTE (a telecom that became Verizon) laid fiber in Tampa, Florida, which was the precursor to Verizon FIOS. When VZ was created in 2000, FIOS itself was rolled out to multiple cities by 2005, with symmetrical speeds up to 1 GB. This was 7 years before Google ever rolled out fiber to Kansas City - it’s first location. And by the time Google Fiber was being rolled out the world had long moved on from dialup and DSL. Most cable companies were offering relatively high speeds, albeit the nature of cable will always make asynchronous (more down than up). So I’m not sure where your pulling this false narrative that Google fiber entered in a dial up, DSL and slow cable world. It’s not true.
So they sacrificed a product to enhanced all their other products, just like their other products like picasa and other stuffs just to incorporate their features into their other product. Ahhh classic Google habit..
I thought consumer ISPs were crap here but I must confess the US takes the cake..It is just crazy seeing youtubers doing nice full network setups with great hardware..that end pluggin a DSL line 😵💫 WTF. Here consumer ISPs have been on a speed race for decades recently reaching up to 10gbps. (No I am not buying beyond gigabit yet because there isn't a domestic usecase yet)
I may have the option of a gigabit cable internet package through Spectrum (Charter) but that is NOT equivalent to fiber gigabit internet. What is TRULY game changing about a real-deal symmetric fiber internet connection is having access to gigabit upload speeds. Being able to download AND upload at such speeds from home is what is truly groundbreaking. The ability to communicate with other machines/services over the internet as if they were connected to your home LAN enables practices that were previously unthinkable. However, for most of us, that ability still remains an unattainable dream that will likely go unfulfilled for a very long time to come.
Maybe they’d have had better luck if they launched their services in places where more than cows and college kids lived? They’re headquartered in the tech capital of the world and didn’t even offer service in that area.
Lord. This video made me realize why RU-vid creators can be problematic: you (a channel I tend to like) just talked of a topic I am specialized in, in a very misleading way. Now I wonder if you take similar shortcuts on other topics. Basically, it’s not because Google consumes a lot of bandwidth that they work automatically be good at providing the bandwidth to others.
The only home internet available for me is dial-up, cellular network, or now starlink.... I would have zero problem paying $2500yr for fiber. No one cares to deliver it.
Success or not, Google's name is soon becoming synonymous with abandoned projects. Its like how Netflix cancels their show after one season. They really should think more about their reputation.
Yet every city i've lived, when you go see if those service are truly offered, they always say not yet. Turns out, out side of Google, the other ISPs only offer those +1gbs services in the million dollar house neighborhoods. So No the other ISP haven't out offered Google yet. I can get google fiber in the hood, yet can't even get Comcast to work at 25mbps.
