You nailed it when you said “if I can’t control a women than it doesn’t count” that’s what this is all about power and control, let’s go back to the days when we could baby trap women and do to them any thing we choose m. That’s all this is about
Nice post hoc fallacy. Now talk about how "abortion restricted states" are black majority because they're overwhelmingly located in the south. Black neighborhoods have higher poverty rates and almost all maternal mortality occurs on the extreme ends of the income bell curve. Or talk about how the mortality rates of those states remained exactly the same before and after the abortion bans. The fact that 8 people liked your comment tells me we don't have much to go up against 😂
@@elijahobviously1288 let’s talk about how Idaho stopped tracking maternal mortality as their ban went into effect, so your claim of no change is an insult to anyone who looks at data. Maternal mortality rates have been increasing. They were increasing before Dobbs was decided. Your claim that they are exactly the same, when they are in fact increasing, shows you are arguing as if objective reality does not exist. Since it was previously increasing, it’s possible the impact of restrictive laws is not the main cause. But Given your blatant disregard for objective facts, and the very public cases of women who faced extra complications and worse health due to restrictive laws, your argument isn’t worth any more serious discussion.
This is why religion should have no say in government. Alabama trying to make living in their state undesireable for women. By the way, there are more women in the country than men. 😂
What religion do you think invented mammalian biology? Really curious. Human life begins at gamete fertilization dude that's not a religion it's called 9th grade.
@@elijahobviously1288 Advanced biology not your thing? Biologist will not say 'this is the moment human life begins'. They will not do so for very good reasons.
What book did you read?? The catholic priest's guide to biology. Litterally scientists don't call them babies or children. They're not even really alive. It's 6 cells dividing using a computer code called DNA. This is why they're called fetuses after the development advances to a certain point. Then they get called fetuses! Not even babies!!! My god why am I wasting time on someone like you! I need to examine my life. @@elijahobviously1288
@@MusicandMMA given the amount of homelessness in America due to the lack of support services, I would say that you're following nationalistic propaganda rather than facts.
I think we can all agree we need to fight back so we must stop having children because of the climate and the economic crisis I’m giving up my future so a migrant can come with their five children and I will work to support them instead of having any of my own that is what is fair
Also when the religious zealots stick their noses into politics! The religious nut jobs have been crying about abortion every since it was made ok to legally get one. They have no right to impose their religious beliefs on others,yet here we are!
Call them on their Bluff, anyone in Alabama who has frozen embryos, CLAIM THEM ON YOUR TAXES FOREVER>12, 20+ "Children" You deserve your tax breaks you never have to "raise"
Ok I'm a tax professional and I just don't understand why everyone keeps saying this. The embryos don't have social security numbers, or names. How the he11 are you gona claim them on taxes without that? Because that's required information for the child tax credit
@Shadowtiger2564 You wouldn't be able to on your federal taxes. Obviously. If Alabama wants to move forward with this nonsense, they're going to have to come up with a separate tax code on their state taxes. Right? I would imagine it would go something like this: you're sitting on Turbo Tax, and you go through the Federal taxes as normal: how many children do you have? Blah, blah, blah. Then you switch to your AL state taxes. They would have to ask how many children do you have? This includes if you're pregnant right now (they'd have to count that), and any embryos you have stored in an IVF facility. If the child tax credit is $2,000 for each child...imagine??? That's how it would have to be.
To quote the late great George Carlin, according to republicans, "any guy who has 'taken care of himself' more than once is a serial killer". Man we need your comedy more than ever these days
@@elijahobviously1288 The Church spent a couple thousand years telling us that every sperm is sacred. Religion's goalposts have moved somewhat, but that doesn't mean they're authoritative.
@@margaretlumley1648I have been watching his shows again, it helps keep me going. Listening to a lot of Zappa a lot again these days. It's pretty amazing just how on the money they still are. We need a new batch of people like them, their stuff reached more people and made more people think, then anything else. I love that Disturbed redid song of silence. People don't realize just how much some of these so called old songs fit what's going on today. They reached more people and kept things fresh in peoples minds. I was 5 when Kent State happened, but the song about it has kept it fresh in my memories, it's a reminder of what happened then, is playing out again but in a worse way. There was the peaceful at the time, but there was also a more radical violent movement as well, it was on the fringe, after Kent State happened it grew and was no longer on the fringe. Kent State was the final breaking point for a lot of people. I talk to people in the pro democracy movement, that I worry are getting to their breaking point. With the violence on the right and people hitting their breaking point on the left, I think there will be more violence then people think. That worrys me taking a stand, if absolutely needed self defense, but I worry things will go further then that. The right keeps talking about civil war, but their heads are stuck in the 1800s and they are thinking to armys facing off. It won't be that, even experts have said it will be like Northern Ireland was, but worse. We need people once again to get messages out there that both sides can relate to and hopefully bring them back to truth.
What's next, toenail clippings are sacred because they contain DNA? Here's an idea: let individuals make their own decisions about whether to be parents and what to do with their own bodies.
@@roysjsgSo smokers shouldn’t receive any health care, right? Medical care should only treat pre-existing conditions in all cases? That is the logic you are trying to apply. If someone injures themselves, they should obviously be held responsible and not helped. If someone says yes and someone ELSE injures them, your logic says they still shouldn’t be treated. I would rather live in a world where people make their own medical choices. That is all this boils down to. You have zero right to interfere with other people’s choices, unless you want someone else to decide what will happen to YOU if you need help.
You are right because as for myself I’m willing to stop having children because of the climate and the economic crisis I’m giving up my future so a migrant can come with their five children and I will work to support them instead of having any of my own that is what is fair
What a dichotomy! Ol’ Alabamy insists that frozen embryos be treated like people, while at the same time, they clearly do not treat all people as people!! 😅😅
And if they are kept frozen for years before they are implanted and then born, how old are they? Do they get to take Social Security once they are 65 from the time they were frozen?
This is SO DUMB. I personally think IVF is not something l would do, but l realize that for SOME people having a child that is biologically theirs is important. IVF has been a part of our culture for decades.
Adoption is damaging to the child. Look up long term studies of the negative consequences of adoption. People shouldn’t be giving birth to children they don’t want and can’t take care of.
Roe v Wade was part of our culture for even longer, yet RoevWade is gone. It is time IVF got the axe. The gop is going after birth control also, so males get to work, you have 15-20 babies that are going to be born and you will be responsible for their upkeep. Maybe you males should get 3 extra jobs, so you can support your grandchildren when your daughters start dropping babies at age 10.
@alexwyatt2911 That "potential" relies on it encountering an ovum. If you wanted to use that argument, would a woman be committing murder every month by allowing her body to discard the unfertilised ovum.
If we wanted people who were burdened with knowledge and caring about stuff we wouldn't have Tuberville and Jordan on the hill. Americans want to go back to being dumb brutes playing a game of king of the hill, forever. Like Jesus wanted.
We have to stop having children because of the climate and the economic crisis I’m giving up my future so a migrant can come with their five children and I will work to support them instead of having any of my own that is what is fair
Across the United States and much of the "developed" world men are becoming infertile, probably due to some kind of poisoning in our diets and so forth. So your worries may be over!@@truthwarrior2727
On what basis? As far as I understand it (I'm not American) the American health system is based on the 'who has the money' rather than actual need. If your poor and have cancer, tough luck, if you're poor and want a baby you ain't getting one. It's a terrible health system that costs a fortune
Yep because I’m going to give up my future children for the economic crisis We have to stop having children because of the climate also so I’m giving up my future so a migrant can come with their five children and I will work to support them instead of having any of my own that is what is fair
@@rhondaguerrero2869 I believe that the so called "truthwarrior" is insinuating some conspiracy that says liberals/the left/whatever support abortion because we don't want people of pallor having babies and instead, for some reason, want immigrants to come and have all the babies. I think it is believed by some that all immigrants are politically savvy in regards to the U.S., are aware of most of what is going on in our media, and will vote democrat as soon as they get here. Something like that anyway 😀
@@dorianshadesofgray Every Republican candidate has said they want a federal abortion ban. Making IVF too legally dangerous to perform will be one of many outcomes of that.
@@dorianshadesofgrayand you’re forced birth policies bring us close to those death rates. Maternal death rates in abortion-restriction states were 62% higher than in states with greater abortion access states
You don't have to go back nearly that far. It wasn't until the 1980s that right-wingers realized they could make abortion into a culture war wedge issue. This "moral outrage" about "unborn children" was ENTIRELY manufactured as a way to con dumb evangelicals into voting for Republicans.
This is why I'm so grateful that I live in a blue sanctuary state where all birthing people wanting to have an abortion are welcomed with open arms. Vote blue to save our democracy. 💙💙
Will people be able to claim these ‘ children’ on their taxes, get parental support, get visitation rights? These people are crazy! How can a fertilised egg, before it is implanted in a woman, be considered viable. Sorry but, this is just another case of only in American. Watching from across the world - so glad for our federal medical system and our federal protections. Not perfect but I can sleep at night. 🇦🇺
Yep I’m with ya because I’m gonna not have any so We have to stop having children because of the climate and the economic crisis I’m giving up my future so a migrant can come with their five children and I will work to support them instead of having any of my own that is what is fair
I expect the Republican Party to decree that all unused embryos be implanted into conscripted host women who will be forced to carry them to full term, and who will be charged with murder if a miscarriage occurs.
I agree because We have to stop having children because of the climate and the economic crisis I’m giving up my future so a migrant can come with their five children and I will work to support them instead of having any of my own that is what is fair
@@truthwarrior2727 Who's trying to stop people? IVF helps have more children, not less. And the people who use it actually want to be parents and can afford to do so. Calling frozen embryos children will end IVF in the states that do so. Abortion helps people who don't want kids or who are not ready for kids or people who were SA and shouldn't be traumatized further. You want to force people who are not ready for or don't want kids to have them while simultaneously preventing those who do want them and can care for them from having them. Why?
@@truthwarrior2727 Dude, just offer the migrants free birth control! The dumb Republicans under Reagan reduced and restricted American aid to birth control programs in other countries, so if you are whining about immigrants coming into America, you can thank Reagan and the rest of the anti-abortion Republicans for that preventable population explosion.
The people who are alive today as a result of IVF should be gathering in front of the capital building in Alabama. Then ask "Where would we be now"? IVF was not possible.
Imagine there's a burning building, in 1 room is a child of 3 years old, in the other room a case with 100 embryos. Which one would you save? They would all choose the actual child, not the clumps of cells.
If it was an active shooter instead of a fire, would the GOP save the embryos? We all know that they would only offer thoughts and prayers to the parents of the three-year-old.
1. Doesn't prove that human embryos are worthless, just worth less than a 3 year old child 2. Emotional impulses are not moral laws. Which would you save? The love of your life who's pregnant with your only child? Or 100 Ethiopian children who you can't see or hear because they're on the other side of the planet? I guess Ethiopian children aren't valuable... 3. Abortion doesn't involve picking between anything. It's simply killing human embryos and human fetuses... or not doing that at all.
@@elijahobviously1288 "not doing that at all" involves staying pregnant and it's not the government's job to enforce that. No one is guaranteed to survive pregnancy/childbirth/postpartum. The rest is true.
@@elijahobviously1288Whoa. So embryos are children but worth less than a 3 year old child? Even Einstein couldn’t figure that logic out. You must worth more than Einstein by being able to figure that out.
This is just one more example of how badly this country needs to limit the range of topics that courts can invade. Technology, biology, social engineering are at the top of the list. And when you throw in relying on Bronze Age philosophies as the ultimate truth, you make it impossible for citizens to be treated well under the law.
Those people in the court went to law school, not medical school. They need to be reminded of that. If they want to play doctor, let them go to medical school. And they need to quit playing God!
Patriarchy. Men are terrified of losing their own positions in life..their relevance as the only gender continuing to make 90+% of all domestic and foreign policy decisions. Scrambling in a desperate attempt to hold on to singular power. Even power over a woman's right over her own body and personal decisions.
They don't. They are automata, enacting the will of their benefactors. They took debate classes in college so they can argue any point, good or bad, and that training does them well when they defend the indefensible.
What I find appallingly hypocritical is to call frozen embrios "children" needing protection, but the same time be pro death penalty, even after knowing there are multiple humans killed and found later on be innocent. Ooops, mistakes happen.
They don’t know how to legislate, so they make everything they do about the Bible. It’s working, because no one seems to notice that they’re not accomplishing anything.
In my 60 years on this planet I have found that those who claim to live their lives by a Bible, always seen to read and quote the parts that coinside with their own desires.🤔
Who’s with me I’m going to not have any for the future of the world because of overpopulation also because We have to stop having children because of the climate and the economic crisis I’m giving up my future so a migrant can come with their five children and I will work to support them instead of having any of my own that is what is fair
They can’t. If life begins at conception then this is logical, they just don’t like the fact that logic has shown the ridiculousness of their position for all to see.
This is an absolutely outstanding journalistic report and a professional presentation - Please continue in this line - I'm sure your outstanding journalistic work is highly appreciated by many more people you can think of.
@reason6835 if that Alabama judge and politicians can use quotes from the bible in his ruling, then those who are pro-choice can and should use that same bible against them. As a pro choice and a Christian I regularly use bible quotes in discussions with anti-choice fanatics (I don't like to call them pro life, because they aren't really pro-life. Just pro-birth).
Send all the IVF freezers to the judges house that made this ruling. The cells won't survive outside the freezer after just a few days. He can keep all the freezers going for the rest of his life, at his own expense. Accountability.
The fact that this (IVF) is suddenly an issue shows how ignorant people are these days. Go ahead, create more imagery issues, and cry about the results.
3:32 - Exactly, they haven't worked out what their position is. They haven't been forced to consider IVF as it relates to abortion, these are not thoughtful people writing these laws.
Do they not understand that these embryos have a better chance via IVF then on their own? I don’t think they can even begin to wrap their heads around this
If there's a baby in the road, next to a pile of pietre dishes full of embrios, we know which one to save. Pretending these things are equal is insulting.
I have always thought that life begins at conception but when is life sustainable outside the womb? Until it can survive it is not a person and it belongs to the "person" in whose womb it resides!
