GORE-TEX is Changing: New ePE Membrane 

hogwash. there is currently no government regulation in the world limiting pfas in textiles. gore like every other company is simply moving with consumer demand and blackmail from terrorists over at greenpeace. C6 isn't a standard. C6 refers to a short-chain PFC like PFHxA.

the 'of environmental concern' is their defence to continue using PTFE in some garments. ePE is free of PFCs

@@bimfred agree! I’d be interested to know if regulators agree with Gore own findings? I’m researching to find some ‘safe’ waterproof clothes. Have gone old school; bees wax. Just got to hope their pollen was DDT free! Cheers Rich ;o )

If your Beta wetted out after 45mins in light conditions, then you haven't looked after it properly! It certainly sounds like it needs a wash and reproof 🤷

@@xxruss1 I’ve given it a wash and nikwax reproof before use. To be fair it wasn’t light conditions, that was a mistake. It was moderate rain. When you reproof the jackets, yes they perform immediately but after minimal use they wet out in the high wear areas.

Gortex has never let me down like your example. Something wrong there.

It’s just the fabric that is “wetting out” Beta is a lightweight jacket the fabric they combine with the gore does get wet in areas but the gore is functioning fine. If you got wet inside from sweat you were dressed too warm. Also remember you have pit zips

ePE is more in line with Gore-Tex Performance, Gore are keeping Pro at the top of their product tree for the time being.

Shakedry is a great fabric, still with it's limitations, especially durability. But they're moving away from it in the same efforts to reduce their use of PFCs. Gore are always working on new products so who knows what they'll bring to market next.

Shake dry its really poor durability for the price .a jacket that survive less than two seassons dint deserve Keep in the market . The worst buy y made in technical gear for biking

Columbia Outdry is the one to buy

not entirely. Gore still sells gore-tex shakedry through its Gorewear brand for cyclign and running. Gore doesn't market for hiking, skiing, and such because of durability concerns, even though it was originally marketed for hiking too. Up until last year, Montbell and Katmandu still offered rain jackets in gore-tex shakedry, but now I've only seen Gorewear exclusively. I believe Norrona is the only company which still uses Gore-tex shakedry for alpine use, but it's in hybrid form on the Lyngen Gore-tex Active jacket. Gore-tex Active shakedry around the torso where you need greater breathability but gore-tex active w/30D face fabric on high wear areas (e.g. shoulders, sleeves, and hood).

It's always a last resort for me when it's pelting it down otherwise i wear a Marmot Ether Driclime jacket or Montane Krypton using classic Pertex outer (not the inferior new one) for all weather hiking. Both are lighter, better cut versions of Paramo/Buffalo.

@@Ivan-oh6ug thanks for the info. A weather resistant softshell and a poncho is another solution that I've seen people talking about.

Paramo does work but the material gets damp/wet so no use for multiday when you cant dry out.

They did that for me. I had Asolo Neutron GTX boots that started leaking after a year of light hiking use. It was a minor leak on the tongue of one boot. Asolo doesn't honor warranty for the shop where I got the boots so I just went to Gore. I've sent them photo proofs of the leak, shipped the boots back and they refunded my purchase 😀

Every Goretex shell garment that I have owned has leaked badly once the DWR has worn/failed. This included some high end Berghaus kit that let me down badly on the Cairngorm plateau. I've been a convert to Paramo since 2007 and haven't had a single problem yet.

I returned a pair of AKU Boots that I got from Trekitt. They were out of Aku warranty, very little use but started leaking. Goretex customer service was great, quick turn around, Full refund of what I paid! I’m sticking with Goretex…but not sure on the new E-Tex just yet 🙂

Interesting theory there JogBird. They've waited a while if that was the case considering the primary ePTFE patent expired in 1997.

Yeah, it will cost you $10 every time you want to wear it.

Maybe set a reminder next time and you'll make it... eVent is still out there, not as widely used as GORE-TEX, but if you can still find brands and garments using it.

You don't "reproof" Goretex, no such thing. You can reapply DWR, but all DWR does is allow water to bead off the surface. This is a sacrificial chemical layer (think wax on a car) that allows the Goretex to breathe better for longer by preventing the outer fabric from wetting out quickly. If a Goretex jacket leaks it means it's either at the end of its life, damaged (either through use or lack of proper care) or it's faulty.

what do you mean? Keela specifically lists garment care with "Why Do I need to reproof".