I worry about nene. This lady is old and not gaining weight....suppose she will stop thriving one day and we will lose her. She holds a special place in my heart I suppose since Im elderly I can relate to her. I see her walk its an old walk any arthritis??? God bless this lady she is certainly a tuff one.❤❤❤🙏🙏
AI is amazing and so big. If you didn’t know better you would think she was a aging male. I’ve never seen one thus big and age is absolutely beautiful. ❤️❤️
Yeah and in Nene's case you see she often chooses to sit next to Ai or Kiyo. But beyond that the occasional display of caring about other gorillas does get you wondering how gorillas experience attachment vs how human experience it.
Me encanta esta familia y sus cuidadores mantienen muy cuidado el zoológico y estos animalitos Kiyosama. Cuida de su mamá tan adulta está tan viejita pongan bastantes mantas en la habitación gordas es mucho el frio
I couldn’t agree more. Especially for Nene she is getting on in years and appears to have hip issues/stiffness or arthritis as she is very deliberate & slow in her movements. She could most certainly benefit from having some sort of soft padding/ cushioned platform or bedding. I wonder if she is being given any sort of meds natural or otherwise for this. They certainly wouldn’t be sitting/ sleeping or walking on concrete in their natural habitat in the wild. You can see how much they like those sacks/ covers. These zoos are awful environments for these majestic animals who roam & cover so much ground in the wild. Here they are confined in small glass enclosures & have steel climbing bars. There is hardly anything natural about their habitat.So I feel that providing them with a few comforts & some stimulation is the very least these money grabbing enslaving institutions should do.
@Camouflage Kumquat I meant that they both have their bottom lip hanging, act like old ladies, and seem grouchy often. I like them the least of the gorillas I watch. I don’t like the way Genki throws things at Momotaro when he’s sleeping or just sitting there. Also, I don’t think it’s fair that she has him hostage because they can’t bring in a new female or move her because they are afraid of what she will do. I don’t want Genki to hurt herself but I wish there was a way. So, I wasn’t even saying any of what you were talking about. I really like how you said that I assumed but didn’t know what I was talking about. 🙃 You wrote an entire wall of foolishness talking about stupidity, misogyny, assumptions, and whatever else when it was you that didn’t know what I was talking about. You took 7 words I posted and “assumed” a lot about what I meant. Sounds smart.
i really can't tell how much it is Nene being the reason Ai won't have any kids. You'd think because Ai is Nene's daughter, Nene would instinctually WANT Ai to have kids. I mean in the wild it's totally natural for multiple female gorillas to be mating with the 1 male who aren't related. While a hierarchy still forms, they all still will have kids with the male and don't actively try to stop mating. The male would put a stop to that right away if that were the case. It just seems maladaptive to actively try to stop Ai, especially since Nene is too old to mate now it seems. Or just uninterested at this point. I have also never seen evidence for Nene trying to stop Ai and Shabani from mating or anything. i have only seen her get upset if Ai goes ahead of Kiyomasa or Shabani when moving to a new area as Gorillas instinctually move between areas in order of most dominant to less dominant, and Nene seems to want Kiyo to be dominant which is interesting. It's not like Nene is always around Shabani trying to get his attention. It's the exact opposite, she stays as far away from him as she can while also staying close enough to remain in the troop. It's a very confusing situation and I'd like the keepers to actually tell us what all the weird quirks and issues these gorillas have so we don't have to speculate so much. Like is Ai on birth control? Does she avoid having kids due to PTSD or is it really Nene? etc. Otherwise you have to make assumptions about the nature of their relationship, and we are likely wrong on multiple of the assumptions we make about the troop.
@Camouflage Kumquat i really can't tell how much it is Nene being the reason Ai won't have any kids. You'd think because Ai is Nene's daughter, Nene would instinctually WANT Ai to have kids. I mean in the wild it's totally natural for multiple female gorillas to be mating with the 1 male who aren't related. While a hierarchy still forms, they all still will have kids with the male. I have also never seen evidence for Nene trying to stop Ai and Shabani from mating or anything. It's not like Nene is always around Shabani trying to get his attention. It's the exact opposite, she stays as far away from him as she can while also staying close enough to remain in the troop. It's a very confusing situation and I'd like the keepers to actually tell us what all the weird quirks and issues these gorillas have. Like is Ai on birth control? Does she avoid having kids due to PTSD or is it really Nene? etc.
@@evo2542 I don't know where the video is but there was one where Nene was encouraging Ai to go to Shabani after they apparently fought. It was an interesting observation!
@@stevemorris6790 к сожалению ничего не поняла из написанного.Но то,что в японских зоопарках бардак ,поняла . Шабани,, имеет,,своих дочерей,а Мамотаро сыновей наяривает .А где этот Рики?
@@user-yf9vd7nq2y нет, конечно) отец Момотаро - Биджу (Biju), он тоже, к сожалению, умер еще до рождения Момо, и поэтому у Момотаро не было примера, как вести себя будучи взрослым, но он очень старается быть ласковым и воспитывать своих сыновей
