Gotham Knights was NOT better than I remember

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At least Gotham Knights has deadpool in it
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@Neutral_Tired 3 месяца назад

This game really just reduces Jason to "guy with guns" doesn't it? Jason was a Robin, he's an expert martial artist and knows how to use dozens of weapons. He's also meant to be pretty smart, he has his own personal library in Wayne Manor. He's not just a dumbass who shoots people

@dikastederook6380 3 месяца назад

The mere fact that he doesn't kill. Sorry not sorry, that's NOT Red Hood.

@BoiOfTheSouth 3 месяца назад

@@dikastederook6380 There are iterations of Red Hood in the comics where he tries to revert to the 'no-killing' rule, but the authors just keep fucking him over via bad plot progression, inconsistent character personalities and shitty writing.

@atakanmercan 3 месяца назад

Haven't watched the full video yet but I have played the game and can say that it didn't really true. Nearly all story bits for him is either about books or how the lazarus pıt affected him. The only character to actually have a good story and only character to actually went through a growth in the game.

@frequencyoftruth2303 3 месяца назад

Who cares it's bad ass and works.

@glowhoo9226 3 месяца назад

@@atakanmercanyeah, he might not be as smart as Tim or Barbara, but he is still incredibly intelligent, and I’d honestly say that his tactical mind is far better than the others. The guy pulled Artemis after all, she wouldn’t be into him if he was just a dumb brute.

@dikastederook6380 3 месяца назад

Ah yes, the game where the Court of Owls was supposed to be the main villains but they're not.

@jonasreis90 3 месяца назад

The funny thing it happened twice, in a series named Gotham Knights and in a game named Gotham Knights

@bensxbd 3 месяца назад

@@jonasreis90in the show the court WAS the main antagonist, they just had roots everywhere

@dikastederook6380 3 месяца назад

@@jonasreis90 It also happened in Gotham.

@classicghostrider2715 3 месяца назад

Batman vs. Robin too, but in both that movie and this game, they were pretty much just an alternative League of Assassins.

@jbstudios3000 3 месяца назад

……literally every Arkham game with Joker…………

@tomrushton8038 3 месяца назад

At least this game had batman going out fighting

@dmitrivologoslav 3 месяца назад

i mean the game is literally called "kill the justice league" i don't get why people are so mad about it

@bossross8270 3 месяца назад

@@dmitrivologoslavThey could have done it a more respectful way because fans love the JL. Also, they shouldn't have connected it to the Arkham universe. You people never use critical thinking skills.

@tomrushton8038 3 месяца назад

@@dmitrivologoslav because it’s Arkham batman u clown

@NE-oj4be 3 месяца назад

@@dmitrivologoslavrecycled argument, come up with a new argument 🙄

@bensxbd 3 месяца назад

@@NE-oj4beit’s almost like it’s a shared sentiment because it’s objectively true

@KainGerc 3 месяца назад

You gotta appreciate how the developers try to immerse you in the game's world by giving Red Hood guns that shoot "Non-Lethal" "Armor Piercing" bullets.

@MegaMerdeux 3 месяца назад

Well it goes thru the armor and doesnt pierce flesh😂

@gamerguy19981 3 месяца назад

His guns are like the Batmobile in Arkham Knight, where it could shoot a person in the head point blank with a high powered rubber bullet while also hitting them at speeds of 50+ and they would just be "unconscious"

@theredandblueyakuza9256 3 месяца назад

Read a comic, red hood definitely has that and worse😂

@Wgar1 3 месяца назад

Obviously since flesh isn't made of armor it's perfectly fine@@MegaMerdeux

@JustSomeRandomBurger 3 месяца назад

honestly i can accept that

@caliburn1123 3 месяца назад

I have to give it to this game. It gave Batman a respectful death, at the hands of a fitting opponent.

@DragonKnight7166 3 месяца назад

It's weird people expect a villain to give a hero a 'respectful' death. If I was a villain, you'd be lucky to be more than a chunky sludge. I don't want you coming back

@caliburn1123 3 месяца назад

@@DragonKnight7166 because Batman's character inspires respect. The penguin, two-face, Bane, Ra's al ghul even the joker would never piss on Batman's dead body. It's also depends on the character if Batman graped the villians wife and killed his family it would make sense for the villian to hate him enough to defile him. But Batman doesn't do that. And if you knew even an ounce of anything about Ra's al ghul(or even if you saw the cutscene) you'd know Ra's respects Batman. So much so that even after knowing his secret identity he doesn't reveal it out of respect for him. He declares Batman as his heir even.

@JaredSchadler 3 месяца назад

@DragonKnight7166 thing is, most of Batman's villains do respect Batman at least to the degree where they wouldn't defile his corpse.

@neon_horizon4097 3 месяца назад

If I was a villian 🤓☝️@DragonKnight7166

@SuperBaptiste98 3 месяца назад

@starlitbebe3136 3 месяца назад

I really like Harley's design in this game, especially the jail costume

@cannonblackwell3172 3 месяца назад

She a baddie fr

@arkannon1682 3 месяца назад

Her boss costume is the best she ever had. Only thing bad about it was the face paint in my opinion

@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 2 месяца назад

SHE BAD AFF HERE

@-PVL93- Месяц назад

Milf status

@sephikong8323 Месяц назад

Her design in the Arkham Games (I consider this game to be the last entry of the universe and not the trash that shouldn't be named) are always absolutely banger (she awoke something in me when I first played those games when I was 12 ngl)

@johnoneil9188 3 месяца назад

Imagine stealth assassinating a criminal from like sixty feet up and it just does like 10% of his health bar.

@fi5707 2 месяца назад

That doesn't actually happen though

@johnoneil9188 2 месяца назад

@@fi5707 Didn´t you see that? He got down on the guy from way up and it did a shockingly small amount of damage.

@fi5707 2 месяца назад

@@johnoneil9188 that wasn't a stealth attack, it was an aerial attack, which is just meant to be a quick damage dealer to start a fight. You can do a proper stealth attack that instantly takes down enemies if you: 1 - Sneak up behind them. 2 - Are in an elevated platform that still leaves you close to the target (if you're far you're just going to perform an aerial attack). 3 - If you fly above you target using a traversal ability

@JustOutOfCuriosity92 3 месяца назад

Kev: “I drive on the sidewalk to keep the civilians on the road safe” Friend: “I drive on the civilians to make sure I don’t damage any vehicles” The civilians: 👁️👄👁️

@thebigpandatheory 3 месяца назад

Kev and phil arguing over a controller😄😄

@Craigstatch 3 месяца назад

I GET THE STARFIELD ONE!!!😂

@jacobconley1888 3 месяца назад

"Like eating packaged oatmeal with a packaged fork" is a god tier similie

@Cotton.pickerHoarder 3 месяца назад

Simile

@jailkin 3 месяца назад

Mommmmm, Kev wont let me use the Starfield controller!!!!

@TheTrohl 3 месяца назад

Still can't wrap my head around how this isn't a follow-up game to the Arkham series and the Suicide Squad game is.

@Adolf-Gay-Gitler-Schimmitler Месяц назад

Funny how the Court of Owls exist in the Arkham Series via the Prequel.....which was made by THIS game's Devs..... They WASTED so many years on THIS instead of Arkham Origins TWO.

@Frddy152 3 месяца назад

I like how they fight in the background over a starfield controller

@FreddyFaz-Games 3 месяца назад

I love this game personally. With 2 people, it’s fun on another level. I play Red Hood, and my sister Nightwing, and we just do patrols and whatnot, we find it so fun though. It hurts me to see that people think it’s so bad

@RoySFordGaming 3 месяца назад

I 100% agree Freddy! My brother and I have been playing this game since November 2022 in Co-Op mode and have racked up over 400 hrs of play! Co-Op is really the under-rated part of Gotham Knights. I wish someone would put more videos out about the co-op fun!

@chaoticevilduck7119 3 месяца назад

Just because most people say the game is bad doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy it. As long as you have fun, keep on playing it.

@Man.amistupid 2 месяца назад

I agree, I never saw why this game is bad

@dains6623 2 месяца назад

@@chaoticevilduck7119 right I really enjoyed fallout 76 despite that game being bad.

@Seyanoo 2 месяца назад

You can enjoy bad games, I personally find this game as a piece of shit but hey man that shouldn’t tamper your enjoyment

@aliquidgaming1068 3 месяца назад

To its credit this game did give batman a better death scene by leagues than suicide squad did It also had more respect for the characters of this universe too I think thats why people appreciate it in comparison more now I just like all things batman and while its not my favorite i do love playing as the batman family. And it has good gameplay. It isnt terrible. A little above average game. Around 6

@ShrekShrooms 3 месяца назад

Wait till another dc bad game ... People will start calling suicide squad a underrated ..or HIDDEN GEM

@vwgauthier2376 3 месяца назад

I like how the most hyped up moment of the video is a screen saver hitting the corner of a TV

@dionysisnance4204 3 месяца назад

This open of gotham knight goes hard the fight of ral al ghul vs batman is so badass

@astephens3600 3 месяца назад

I still love playing Gotham knights. Right now, I'm just currently focusing on defeating the last three Gotham's most wanted criminals, and then I'll start up New Game Plus.

@Eliprodd 3 месяца назад

Ur rare man

@razzo086 3 месяца назад

Why bother -laying this piece of crap just go back and play the Arkham games if you want to enjoy yourself

@yourlocalchaosgoddess 3 месяца назад

@@razzo086 let people enjoy things my guy

@razzo086 3 месяца назад

@@yourlocalchaosgoddess the game was and is terrible but if you enjoy terrible gameplay and bad game mechanics with an obvious storyline be my guest

@yourlocalchaosgoddess 3 месяца назад

@@razzo086 that's just, an opinion man

@RedHoodRubyRose 3 месяца назад

This game had it's moments. At least the dynamic between the Batfamily was nice and I really liked it.

@sup3414 3 дня назад

Their dialogue and interactions were stale, ackward, unnatural and souless. What are you talking about?

@warboss3686 3 месяца назад

I had the same thought as well, then I had the same reaction Kev is having when replaying Gotham knights

@davidsong8497 3 месяца назад

Just finished a Red Hood playthrough of Gotham Knights and after going in with tempered expectations, I genuinely enjoyed it. Far from a perfect game, but it had some fun moments and I'm looking forward to a replay as Batgirl so I can get a fresh set of cutscenes and the story from a different perspective. (Certainly helps I got the deluxe edition on sale for $30 CAD).

@Just_in_case_i_die..._ 3 месяца назад

I just beat the game as Batgirl and the final cinematic was fuckin siiiiicccckkkk, her character story is also really sweet

@RoySFordGaming 3 месяца назад

Cool, I beat the story with Nightwing, then Robin, NOW I just started a new game plus and plan to play through with Batgirl! I have logged over 300 hrs of Co-Op play with my brother. Honestly, Co-op is so fun, I only play Gotham Knights when I have a co-op player with me! It is hours of fun in Co-op and in both Heroic Assaults.

@huskycruxes7232 2 месяца назад

Do the cutscenes actually change based on who you’re playing. As far as I can tell the little quips when investigating stuff is the only real difference. Why play the game 4 times to play each character when you can do all of their personal stories in one playthough, even if you main one person the whole game and then do the other three as clean up. I’m having fun with the game, but from what I can tell it’s not nearly as replayable as other games.

@atakanmercan 3 месяца назад

Can't solve a reading puzzle. A true gamer RU-vidr.

@BiggusWeeabus 3 месяца назад

Gotham Knights is definitely not worth full price, but worth checking out on a very generous sale (or sailing the seven seas)

@MegaMerdeux 3 месяца назад

Actually planning on a big sale for suicide squad. But since the game is always online from what I've heard. I'm afraid they might shut down the servers lol

@spidergalactic9627 3 месяца назад

@@MegaMerdeuxit's been like a month bro, you should be fine getting the game without worrying about online servers shutting down for a long time

@BiggusWeeabus 3 месяца назад

@@MegaMerdeux Do yourself a favor and stay away from it, It's clear that game will not last

@ZOMBIEo07 3 месяца назад

@@spidergalactic9627Yea but, you will still get the game basically stolen from you whenever servers get shut down.

@segismundosaulalex3065 2 месяца назад

@@ZOMBIEo07 I miss those times when to play the game I just had to put in the disc, not being tied to the whims of a company.

@theotherjared9824 3 месяца назад

Ah yes, the game where Jason Todd plays Just Dance and texts the player about making cookies.

@gamexpert1255 3 месяца назад

Ah yes my Favorite Deadpool Catchphrase “You might need a couple of Multivitamins After that one” 😂

@MagicallySword 3 месяца назад

Kevduit's Hatred of Robin reminds me so much of Eyezayor's Hatred. Well, in that universe he's called Robert but anyways...

@iwatommy9139 3 месяца назад

If Suicide Squad was made by companies like OG Rocksteady then the game would’ve been dope. Tim would’ve been straight, Batgirl and Red Hood would’ve been more accurate.

@Manan_K 3 месяца назад

13:18 The Roleplay 😭Cant stop laughing

@SerbianMeerkat 3 месяца назад

Was Gotham Knights good? Absolutely not. Did it do more justice the Batman’s character than a game made by the studio who had literally created one of the greatest iterations of the character of all time? 100%.

@sup3414 3 дня назад

WB Montreal didn't do him justice either.

@swordmonkey6635 3 месяца назад

"plink plink plink" summarizes Robin's gameplay

@user-fu9jn5gm2g 3 месяца назад

I think decoy summaries it better.

@Freja_Broko 3 месяца назад

Been replaying it as Batgirl and really enjoying it. It has some problems but I'm having a good time.

@peety0792 3 месяца назад

Still asking Kevin to play more palworld and break it to its limits

@dayday5119 3 месяца назад

do you mean kevin teller?

@peety0792 3 месяца назад

I meant kevinduit lmao

@grilledleeks6514 3 месяца назад

Nah

@YashimaZuke1791 3 месяца назад

no pls play any other game than Palword we will appreciate that

@thesithofearth3617 3 месяца назад

He already played it

@KaoticKwan 3 месяца назад

They put all their budget into the intro fight scene

@user-mu1os7me8s 3 месяца назад

Don't forget about the boss fights. I personally thought the boss fights in Gotham Knights were better than most of the Arkham ones.

@KaoticKwan 3 месяца назад

@@user-mu1os7me8s I don’t remember much of the boss fights except the Mr. Freeze ones. I thought they were really challenging and pretty fun

@stupidtookmynick 3 месяца назад

I like Gotham Knights. It's by no means perfect or anything, but I enjoyed traversing Gotham as Red Hood and shooting stuff and I really loved the Court of Owls stuff. There should have been more instanced missions like that. But I don't care what anyone says, I like this :D

@R3GARnator 3 месяца назад

Congratulations for being the only let's player not to just play as Batgirl to watch her cake.

@alykatevans9941 3 месяца назад

Nah dude that’s why I play as nightwing

@DoratTheKiller 3 месяца назад

@@alykatevans9941 Based

@RyanMK666 3 месяца назад

LOVE this game. So so much fun. There’s a reason I was within the first 10 to 100% the DLC and the first 100 to 100% base game.

@mynameisdozzer 3 месяца назад

19:12 lol I thought he said “Nice cake…” 🍑 To be fair, it was

@nekoboy56 3 месяца назад

I actually enjoyed the game. Yeah Jason kind of "shoot them up" doesn't really stick well but gotta remember this was shortly after his resurrection so still has some anger to deal with but slowly reopens up, which was nice. Grayson is lacking his "motherly touch". Barbara is dealing with her own grief and slowly works through it. Tim doubts himself a lot while he works on his grief with Batmans death and proves to himself that he can still be Red Robin. Yeah some.plot elements don't make sense, but that's true even in the comics. Overall to me it's a 8/10 game with a bunch of replay ability. :)

@GavinSpace 3 месяца назад

Loved the opening scene with the CGI battle leading up to his death

@lalo-kt4te 3 месяца назад

The game is actually fun,better than suicide squad that's for sure 😂

@white0thunderwhite0thunder71 3 месяца назад

The game where Bruce talks about the greatest threat against Gotham wasn't the criminals and psychos tearing it apart, but the rich hording all of its wealth. Court of Owls: My brother in Christ, WE GO TO THE SAME COUNTRY CLUB!!!

@westendlolo3313 3 месяца назад

I played it I liked it at first but for some reason never got around to finishing it not terrible but not great

@LittlleJimmy941 3 месяца назад

I feel like I'm the only one who thoroughly enjoyed this game

@Shrek_is_life69 3 месяца назад

30:00 best part

@senatorarmstrong9981 3 месяца назад

26:42 is better

@howardjones3658 3 месяца назад

Kevduit is my passion, he’s my everything

@Somebody-13728 3 месяца назад

Gay lol jk

@theagingmillennialvarietyh7751 3 месяца назад

One question as it just occurred to me… why do the Batkids have the same color scheme (more or less) as the Ninja Turtles?

@luh9inebih 3 месяца назад

basically what it is

@gamerguy19981 3 месяца назад

Doesn't help that they pretty much match them in personalities too

@nukegold4565 3 месяца назад

Maybe cuz they're both WB properties? Not sure. Comics and cartoons often takes inspiration too, so most likely that

@StrudelerOfTheTSociety 3 месяца назад

The corner! The corner! It hit the corner!

@antonfowler6582 3 месяца назад

Batman doesn't " kill " but he does dish out some life changing injuries

@alexcrawford7299 3 месяца назад

Bro Alfred with the macaroni suit and playable character for a dlc would make me pay for this game 😂

@quack9355 2 месяца назад

29:50 that awkward silence in the end caught me off guard and shouldn't made me spit me coffee lmao

@gabrielmachado3106 3 месяца назад

8:30 kev's dance button kinda broke me

3 месяца назад

I had fun with the game. At release, yes, it was very unpolished, and it was surely not ArkamGame, but for me was fun. Especially the combat, if u not compare it with Arkam, was actually really fun. I mostly played with Robin.

@Steely80 3 месяца назад

Glad to see the new video. Have a great day

@Benji-ig6xw 3 месяца назад

Batman ŵent out like a boss in this game.

@leon-ks9yn 3 месяца назад

28:05 that was fast and SPOT ON. I LAUGHED MORE THAN EXPECTED

@hallucination5117 3 месяца назад

this was a game i dont even remember it coming out

@DeadwaveCarrier-oc1wo 3 месяца назад

Bullshit you don't.

@Eevolved32 3 месяца назад

@@DeadwaveCarrier-oc1wowas literally everywhere

@Kumo0toko 3 месяца назад

The game was everywhere in media, shocked you never seen it 😅

@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem 3 месяца назад

I've also never heard of it. When did it come out? 2022 apparently. Don't know what happened, guess I just happened to not see it

@ZOMBIEo07 3 месяца назад

@@Kumo0toko What media? I had no idea when the game came out either. I only knew about the release 2 months later lol. This game is trash and a dishoner to arkham trilogy, so its not a big loss.

@Sir_Prize427 3 месяца назад

The slingshot told me everything I needed to know

@TheGreyKami 3 месяца назад

Most of these games you can hand wave the amount of punches people take, but these people are taking bullets to bare skin and walking it off

@animelytical8354 3 месяца назад

They are special bullets that are like range punches

@silverblade357 3 месяца назад

Gotham Knight is better because the story and characters are better. I watched the cutscene movie on RU-vid and was quite satisfied!

@thehalfnegativeoptimist4578 3 месяца назад

This seems like the kinda game that’s fun enough to try out for a little bit because it’s on a game pass but not fun enough to be worth paying full price for at launch

@user-ot8xn9dh6m 3 месяца назад

Man I hate the trope of saying "Maybe the old game wasn't a bad" just because a new game came out that's even worse doesn't make the older game good...

@felps_4500 3 месяца назад

THIS, thank you

@Seyanoo 2 месяца назад

Yeah, Gotham knights was a pile of shit.

@Dowjy 3 месяца назад

1:10 ah yeas my favorite MARVEL character Superman💀💀

@alice-dl6mf 3 месяца назад

Mom says it’s mine turn on the starfield controller.

@Hickory_Dickory_Cock 3 месяца назад

I honestly didn't think Gotham Knights was THAT bad

@acemarvel1564 3 месяца назад

Rocksteady be copying off Volitions motto here

@user-fu9jn5gm2g 3 месяца назад

This game is pretty good, repetitive but enjoyable at times. Timed strikes and combos were flashy enough to keep me entertained.

@Dantonfall 3 месяца назад

We ain’t remembering Gotham Knights as better. In truth our standards are dropping with how many trash games we’ve been seeing.

@cristobalbarra583 3 месяца назад

tbf im currently playing it and im only playing the stages combat part of hte game, i got a key for less than 6 bucks so for that price is kinda good

@LowkeySnappin 3 месяца назад

9:02 speaking of Deadpool he lowkey sounds like the guy in your head that talk from the game 😂😂😂

@SUPERSHOTERM 3 месяца назад

This game wasn't as bad as i thought it was going to be ... great? No but a decent game i look at it as like if this game was made before Arkham games i bet people would love this , thia game is definitely fun with frens

@SoloDoloToker 3 месяца назад

Its fun its an ok game but it's pretty fun sometimes that's all u need

@andrewburke4069 3 месяца назад

Not every game can be a masterpiece and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.

@thatonekit 3 месяца назад

Just recently started playing with a buddy, i can agree i like it in co-op, but in single player it can definitely feel sluggish. Overall a fun game though

@ZOMBIEo07 3 месяца назад

Well its fun unless you start to compare it with arkham games.

@Seyanoo 2 месяца назад

@@andrewburke4069 No but they shouldn’t also be giant turds either

@mentkansleyunitedstatesgov6364 3 месяца назад

criminals be out here carrying around blocks of shungite

@jmantruth 3 месяца назад

For the record. Tim Drake is my favorite Robin.

@Noja2 3 месяца назад

@rhinuu045 3 месяца назад

@coffeechat-bunbun 3 месяца назад

Wow...Adam Jenson went from cyborg hero to Penguin... rough times man.

@Miggeddy 3 месяца назад

0:45 haha is that the mighty intro of elden ring? ^^ fitting to your moderation ;p

@Jacob-360 3 месяца назад

Funny this video came out the same day I first tried Gotham knights.

@plasticbag4102 3 месяца назад

No wayyyyy kevduit played a game with sinduit on his channel

@bthsr7113 3 месяца назад

It's better than Kill the Justice League, but that's like saying packaged oatmeal with occasional toppings is better than the worst breakfast food from your most hated restaurant chain. The occasional toppings being the short cut scenes in this that show respect for the bat family as a family.

@kentlindal5422 3 месяца назад

You know, I'm genuinely curious what's with DC and their fetish with killing off their prime money-making characters

@Jay3up 3 месяца назад

I’ll give Gotham knights credit they at least treated Batman with more respect and actually gave him a good death

@freshlycutbacon265 3 месяца назад

1:42 would’ve accepted this as the end to Arkham Batman

@brubels7905 3 месяца назад

Batman doesn't kill... But he will sure as shit blow you up in a cave for that sweet double kill?

@deadnews1231 3 месяца назад

Supposedly he was trying to protect the Bat Family, and the only way to do that was to take him and the other guy out

@ajet0452 3 месяца назад

Gotham knights was still pretty fun

@Tonebaited123 3 месяца назад

Nah

@nukegold4565 3 месяца назад

Nightwing and Red Hood are the most fun in the game, but Robin has some AWESOME customization options

@ricardomeijer7164 3 месяца назад

0:00 - 0:04 Already starts so satisfying

@noahacton8448 3 месяца назад

I think the comparison is how batman got an honorable death vs ktjl

@mc_dino5000 3 месяца назад

You should do yes yes that game

@noobgamersland8189 3 месяца назад

the civilians are fucking raid bosses in this game lol

@holycam7521 14 дней назад

The robin slander is crazy 😂

@CrashOzzy1223 3 месяца назад

26:00 I coulda swore that he had a bottle’s bottom bit shoved into his eye.

@calebpribyl5152 3 месяца назад

Oh my god I hate live service games so much! Would you rather spend that harden money on car assurance Or spend $100 on my character wearing a helluva boss shirt!

@user-mu1os7me8s 3 месяца назад

Gotham Knights is not live service it just has an optional co-op mode. Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League is the live service game.

@BenCx94 3 месяца назад

Can't wait for I forced my friends to play hell divers 2

@xKnightGuy 3 месяца назад

I enjoyed Gotham Knights a lot. Much more than the Arkham games. But that's only because I love co-op games much more than Single Players.

@MiketheMagicPaper 3 месяца назад

It's like the developers never played the game themselves and were like "Yeah this is great"

@SN4KE3ATER 3 месяца назад

this game is better than whatever Suicide Squad is.. its more believable that there was passion put into this game rather than KTJL but whatever you say