Gothic: The "Aunt" Language of English and Norse 

I'd like to second that request.

Very true! Not enough recourses on the subject! I hope that this language can be revived some day ^_^ for cultural reasons. If you are interested there is a group that studies and learns how to speak, read, and write Gothic on Discord!

@@Patrick_of_SouthTown How to find them? :)

@@Patrick_of_SouthTown I would be interested in that group as well

@@Patrick_of_SouthTown what’s that group

Agreed

💯 Agreed

It wasn’t really a traditional invasion since the western Roman Empire asked them to restore several of the Roman provinces that’s fallen into other Germanic tribes hands, they helped snuff out the Huns in Gaul and then made their way into hispania where there was a buttload of tribes that settled there like free real estate: The Suebi, Alans, and the vandals. They managed to push out the Alan’s and vandals while conquering the Suebi.

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It took awhile to get results thanks to DNA analysis, I'm always had been intriged of makes up the People of Europe Specially the Iberan Peninsula.

@@EdgarKohl The goths make up 15 percent of the Iberian genome paternally. That’s quite a lot considering they were a minority in Hispania.

@@CarvedStones thanks, this helps better explain society in whole aspect.

I am trying to learn Gothic and Old Norse, they are so gorgeous, and it’s interesting how similar the Gothic alphabet is to the Latin alphabet + a few Runes, I can read and understand most of those letters and Runes - ppl should start teaching more Gothic and Old Norse on yt, it’s not easy to find resources teaching these ancient languages, and unfortunately they aren’t even on Google translate, even though they should be!

yes, I was thinking the same. In fact maybe a bit earlier.

@@democracytherepublic5451 I mean that's kinda how the whole Bible itself was created lmao.

@@democracytherepublic5451 If I had a nickel for every time a Germanic heretic illicitly translated the Bible to further his own political standing I'd have two nickels.

@@democracytherepublic5451 Martin Luther, arch-heretic and traitor to the Kingdom of Heaven, whose soul is weighed down with the murder of untold innocents and whose name is Antichrist.

Imma be honest Luther King being the literal antichrist is a bit of a stretch

those changes were directly to finnic languages around the culf of finland overall, meaning that other languages besides finnish have these early germanic influences.

There are something like +500 words in Finnic languages that are borrowed either from Pre-Germanic, Proto-Germanic or Proto-Norse. Lots of basic vocabulary has been borrowed, words like 'mother', 'ship', 'shirt', 'bread', 'spear', 'sword' etc... Sometimes the meanings have changed during or after borrowing e.g.: Proto-Germanic *murginaz (morning) -> Proto-Finnic *murkina (breakfast) > Finnish murkina (food) Proto-Germanic *hawiþą (mockery) -> Proto-Finnic *häpedä (shame) > Finnish häpeä (shame) Proto-Germanic *þwahtuz (laundry) -> Proto-Finnic *vakto (foam) > Finnish vaahto (foam) Proto-Norse *dauþi (death) -> Proto-Finnic *tauti (disease) > Finnish tauti (disease)

I was thiking taivas is from proto indo iranian🤔

@@aryyancarman705 I don't know for certain, but according to wiktionary, it's "borrowed from Proto-Balto-Slavic *deiwas, from Proto-Indo-European *deywós."

@@EVO6- New American English - Elvis

lobito* not lupito

@@sidoso9810 Lupe comes from Lupum which is Latin for Lobo, and since we are talking about people, and not animals then the form Lupe stands in this case. He even mentioned in the video the name Lupe and Attila, so there should be no confusion as to what he was referring to. He wasn’t talking about wolves perse which would have necesitated the use of Lobo and Lobito.

@@AbdonPhirathon i just corrected you how you say little wolf in spanish cause lupito doesn't exist and if in middle ages somebody had that name he wouldn't have the -ito at the end, if you wanna be 100% historically accurate it would be something like Lupillo (latin lupus + -illo which was used in old castillian)

@@sidoso9810 Sure, whatever rocks your boat.

@ asid oso I live in the north of Spain. Lupe is a popular name given to dogs nowadays, the diminutive being Lupín (in my region at least). The patronym López is very common, dad's name being Lope (or Lupe). The name is usually rendered as Lubb in translations of writings in arabic from al-Andalus. Also, imho "100% accurate" ≠ "something like".

Hey man. How’d the learning go?

Many languages have the mediopassive voice too, including Old Norse (sésk) and Icelandic (sést) and Swedish and Norwegian (vi ses) and also Spanish (no se ve, se acaba) and Portuguese (não se vê) etc - I am trying to learn Gothic and Old Norse and Icelandic and the other Germanic languages, they are all so pretty, and I am advanced level in Dutch and intermediate level Norwegian / German / Swedish and Portuguese and native speaker level in Spanish!

Oh wow. Wouldn't it be great if you and Jackson could do a collab in the library looking at that book? :D

@@paulaunger3061 I'm just a student worker at the library section, you'd have to speak with the museum curators about that!

@@paulaunger3061 Great Idea! I see the scene how it happening!

Same! I fall asleep listening often, not because it’s boring, just soothing. 😂 Or I have to rewind because I’ve kind of zoned out just listening and not really comprehending. His voice is hypnotic!

Papasito ;-)

Sí, Papacito el Hun

@@peterlarson233 Papacito* you're right))

@Ir liz Exactamente! Aprendi español en Mexico, pero todavia no puedo deletrear :-/

There is a rare word in English - fatherling.

Same

Yeah, I found this surprising and wondered something similar.

Why is it weird that it was translated into gothic? It seems only natural.

@@Lost7one because translating the Bible into a vernacular language was a major point of contention from the catholic church. The story of Wycliffe is your go-to case where he was declared a heretic, his bibles were burned, and his corpse was dug up and burned as well. That said, I know the goths were Arians, or atleast Ulfilas was, and Arianism was considered heresy, so they probably didn't care about the catholic church. Though, there are also translations of the gospels in Old English, and the English were converted by Roman missionaries, so they would be more likely to find it heretical than the goths, but did it anyway. I'm only wondering at what point did vernacular bibles become a major issue with the church.

@@sameash3153 the catholic church was powerful but not that powerful. gothic translations of the bible were inevitable no matter what the catholic church thought about it.

Ok, so, at the time we are talking about here (mid-300s), Latin and Greek *were* vernacular languages. They were the main spoken languages of the Roman Empire. And in fact, the first full Latin translation of the Bible (the Vulgate) was done at around the same time as this Gothic Bible. That's how old the Gothic Bible is. It wasn't translated from Latin into Gothic. It was translated from Greek into Gothic, at around the same time that others were translating it from Greek into Latin. Now, in the Christian East, among the Churches that are now called Orthodox, there are numerous ancient and medieval translations of the Bible into local languages: Syriac, Coptic, Armenian and Ge'ez (the ancient language of Ethiopia) being the main ones. Later, in the 800s and 900s, a Slavonic translation was done as well. What happened in the Catholic West was that one particular ancient translation - the Latin one - somehow acquired such a massive importance and status that eventually all other translations were banned. I'm not sure exactly when and why this happened, but I assume it was connected to the fact that the Old Romance languages were for many centuries regarded as being just "bad Latin", rather than new languages in their own right. So, for example, there is no Bible in Old French or Old Italian because, as far as the Church was concerned, that was just horribly mangled Latin spoken by peasants, not separate languages. At least, that was the case from the 600s to the 900s or so. By the time they realized that the common people spoke something other than Latin, the idea of using the Latin Bible was so entrenched that they just kept going with it.

Oh whoa, I didn't know that for whatever reason. Ironically looking at Sindarin and how it "evolved" into the more modern version from an older fantasy language is kind of what made me interested in etymology and older languages in general. Thanks for sharing!

Holy crap this comment got the noggin' joggin' alright

The invading roaches in Jeruslaem don't count tho

@@phillipholland6795 The amusing thing is that Hasidim cherish a speech that could not further from their values, and that Germanic warriors have stowaways with them that they could not imagine.

Wolfile (-le ending for -lein in high german)is a neat nickname in swebian dialect.

Sounds exciting!

I am making the same short travel video about Tbilisi in many languages and I would love to include Gothic. Could you translate the text for me? It's about 900 words. How much would you want for it?

@@JourneysWithDrCarl Absolutely, you can message me via my email on my About tab, and we can work rates etc. from there. I'd be more than happy to contribute to your channel!

@@Yoshimidsu Sounds great. I sent you an email. My name is Carl Augustsson

@@Yoshimidsu I wrote you an email, but I have not heard back. Will you be able to do the translation.

Very similar to Bavarian "Welfl" (the unrounded umlauts ö & ü as found in modern Upper German dialects are also a characteristic feature of Yiddish), although, in Middle Bavarian "Wéifl" (l vocalization). In my Swabian "Welfle" or even "Welfele" (little Wolf < Wölfle). The OHG name fem. Wolfila (uuolfila), masc. *Wolfilo the equivalent of Gothic Wulfila. Of course, I don't wanna claim any major relationship between the Upper German (Erminonic & Suebian) and East Germanic branches, they were neighbours within a continental sprachbund at various points in time, therefore, the frequent use of the l-diminutive in Gothic remains at least well reflected in the High German / Upper German dialects in comparison to the Low German, English and Norse sister tongues.

The goths lived on in southern Sweden until the high medieval ages

Oops, never mind, I saw the dates you listed in the video.

Could I seek a mentorship with Old Norse? Do you teach courses online?

Y muchos, muchos más nombres, del gótico al español.

Diphthong it will be in English. Sorry.

Very similar to dialect spoken on the west coast of Denmark Jen, tow, trei, fir, feim, seis, su, autt, nie, tie, oelle, tolw

It's called vindue in norway to this day

And "sau (...) blei da" would be perfectly correct in at least one modern dialect I know of in western norway. Though it wouldn't be correct norwegian spelling.

@@HansenFT, the same at Lister. Vindue and blau and so on. A lot of fisher villages there.

Gothic names are still used in Spanish although their popularity has severely decreased in the last few decades, most of these names are associated with old people but not all Here is a quick list (keep in mind they are romanised) Alfonso, Ricardo, Segisberto, Antanarico, Roberto, Gonzalo, Federico, Rigoberto, Recesvinto, Alvaro, Fernando, Fritigerno, Rogelio... No -ila in any of the Spanish names of Gothic origin I can think of, but of course that does not mean it was not the case in their language before the names were romanised

@@derrengui thankyou so much! I really appreciate it :)

@@derrengui Gothic names are more popular being used as surnames so it ain’t a loss.

@@derrengui While gothic names in Spanish/Portuguese first names have decreased, they’re more popular in last names since last names were used as first names way back when. There were some gothic kings that had the -ila like: Agila, Chintila, Suintila, and Achila.

@@CarvedStones yes, although most of those names are considered archaic nowadays.

I know that such discoveries have been made on the various daughter languages of PIE but not sure if it's been done systematically across the entire family. And I could imagine it being pretty difficult to determine if a PIE root is PIE or a borrowing from another language family. But something you are probably interesting in are the Greek substrate hypothesis and also the largely debunked Germanic substrate hypothesis.

It's a bit speculative but there are striking similarities between the Greek and Germanic pre-IE substrate. Many of these words have to do with things like boats, navigation and place names which makes perfect sense. But the similarities could indicate how similar these pre-IE Early Farmer/WHG populations really were. We know they were in the same genetic cluster after a certain point early on.

@@weepingscorpion8739 I didnt know the Germanic substrate hypothesis was debunked? I know some of the supposed non IE words ended up having IE cognates...

@@johngavin1175 Not debunked per se (hence why I used largely) but many of the roots represented in the original hypothesis have later been shown to be IE roots. Also, some took that hypothesis way too far and began speculating that Germanic was some sort of creole or hybrid language. Well, not the case it turns out. :)

@@dirksharp9876 A lot of place names in the US are derived from local Indian tribal words, and many English places names are derived from Celtic words.

How can they revive the language if there aren't any people that self-identify as goth left?

@@KungKras That's exactly what makes the revival of Gothic unique, it's all taking place online. There is strong interest from Scandinavia, Germany the UK, the Americas but also regions where the historical Goths settled like Spain, Italy, Portugal, France, Eastern Europe, etc. It's totally unique among events like this.

@@dirksharp9876 I see. That's really intersting actually!

@@dirksharp9876 Someone may need to pique some interest in areas of the atlas mountains where there are no more Berber speakers (such as NW Algeria and north Tunisia

@@dirksharp9876 Most Portuguese and Spanish last names (and first) are of gothic origin too. Still being used to this day.

Gothic, Old Norse, Old English are closed related, but Gothic is not an ancestor of them)

The goths selectively decided to bring a few loanwords to gothic, as they never felt the need to impose gothic on the population given that they already spoke Latin anyways. The names are a different beast all together though, mostly because the goths were only eligible for nobility or at least higher up than their Hispano-Roman subjects, it became the norm when they started mixing in with the Hispano-Romans and became a trend setter for the Christian successor states.

From what I’ve read that makes sense as the Gothic nobility kind of separated themselves from the Roman subjects, even codifying two separate law books for Goths and Romans. What is more surprising is that Arabic actually has very few loan words in Spanish and Portuguese for how long much of Iberia was under Muslim control.

@@baneofbanes At first they did, it all changed when leovigild created some law codes that United Hispano-Romans and goths all under the same laws, even allowing intermarriage, it would be further enhanced when recceswinth reinforced it. Arabic only makes up 8% of the Spanish language only through vocabulary, so things naturally starting with al- the moors didn’t easily assimilate into the Iberian peninsula like the goths did because they were romanized and kept up Roman traditions, throughout the reconquista the moors were seen as invaders while the goths were seen as the vaunted portents. The goths did however make several changes in part to the syntax and structure of Vulgar Latin spoken at the time, which is what you can see in modern day Spanish and Portuguese.

I'm a fan of older Amon Amarth, and didnt know Hegg was a part of Grimfrost. I may not like modern AA too much,but I'm glad they are still around. I wish two of my favorite bands, Enslaved and Borknagar,were a part of it.

Asturias well, i think is most Suebi than Visigothic...

@@bilbohob7179 Suebi settled mostly in galacia, Asturias is where the visigothic descendants settled after the Muslim invasion.

@@CarvedStones But... Asturias was part of Old Gallaecia Roman province and the Suebi Kingdom...

@@CarvedStones Gallaecia Roman Province was divided in three parts and their capitals were Lucus Augusti, Asturica and Braccara Avgvsta... Suebi had this province with a pact with Rome. Visigoths won against Suebi and put a governador but don't change anything because they had not time. In short time Muslims invaded almost the entire peninsula.

@@bilbohob7179 You have to remember that after the fall of the Roman Empire, the goths along with several other Germanic tribes also settled in the peninsula and were also chipping away land at the Suebi to eventually reverting them to just the northwest. Eventually the goths would conquer them. They would later establish a duchy there. After the Muslim invasion, a small visigothic elite retreated there with the asturian celts. This can be seen on how most of the asturian kings had gothic names.

That's an alphabet, not a font

@@F_A_F123 Yes, and you use fonts to write alphabets on computers, which was what I was looking for. I ended up making one myself.

The problem with that arises with the truth that Gothic had no umlaut but Old Gutnish did; _fyrsti_ was Old Gutnish for _first,_ and _frumists_ is Gothic for the same, without the umlauting of the /u/ phoneme

Gothic was a East Germanic language.

Not really. Gothic is more like like Bulgarian is to Polish. Gothic was already from an eastern branch of Germanic before the other Germanic branches diverged. Italian and Latin have a more direct lineage. Latin is Italian's mother, Biblical Gothic is more like an aunt or older sister to the other Germanic dialects. It's much more like the relationship Slavic languages have today, though many of them are a lot closer than modern Germanic languages.