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It's still living today, we just have more designer clothing available unlike back then when it comes to fashion, the subculture is still the same, you just need to surf the web or find out from other goths about newer bands out there
The scene is still the same today, with new Goth bands that sound similar to the music of the past. The only difference is, people are uglier and fatter today.
"Fashions fade but style is eternal" and this is why I love the goth culture, it is true, it stays true because it is real style and so it will always survive and introduce new substyles. I'm saying this and I'm not even a goth but it's such a cool style and important counter culture I hope it lives on forever (pun intended) xD Keep up the great work Connor and Lynn-chan.
10:30 this has actually happened to me plenty of times, which is a little unfortunate. I’ve approached people thinking they listen to gothic music because of how they were dressed and then, turns out that they don’t even like rock music, like at all. You’d be surprised how normal it’s become. But to them of course, it’s a trend. So it’ll eventually fade away, while goths stay goth.
I've gotten it the other way around. Alternative looking people have approached me, asking if I was "alt" (which in my native language means "old", which is always slightly confusing) and after a quick chat, both parties realised we had nothing in common. Super odd when you feel like you're too weird for them, when they look just like your peers.
The band became ‘The screaming marionettes’ then just the marionettes. I followed them around on tour in 1989. They did some amazing songs, check out Obsession and Play dead. (Be careful when you google though, that you get the correct band because there is a Nepalese death metal band with the same name.)
This was originally a short feature in a nightly news magazine programme shown about 6:30-7:00 on BBC1. The band shown was the Screaming Marionettes - later just The Marionettes - and the guy is their singer Sean Cronin. He used to drive around London in a flash black car in full goth get up handing out flyers to anyone he thought looked interesting! He used to sell some really thick rubber gear in Kensington Market - not far from the Vanian's stall. The vampire bloke was called Wilf - possibly Wilfred Erminger or something - he used to do the cloakroom at the Electric Ballroom in Camden and was also a member of the London Vampyre Group which had a lot of goths in it. He did plan a trip to Ireland with myself and another goth to visit the grave of a vampiress he had researched with the intention of raising her... As he planned that this trip would occur on his motorbike and sidecar it did occur to my friend and I that there wasn't room for the 4 of us if he succeeded and that he quite possibly intended to sacrifice one or both of us to bring her back... we decided not to go through with the trip :) The first time I met Laurie Vanian I didn't know who she was and complimented her on her Elvira look - she just smiled and thanked me - I bet she really wanted to rip my head off and pour putrefied vomit down my neck for being so insulting... And yes - we did tend to hang around graveyards a lot back then - graveyard picnics were regular get togethers in some towns and the usual meeting place for romantic encounters...
i hadn't heard of the Marionettes back in the day, but I did have a fling with the ex wife or girlfriend of one of the band. They had long split up by then but were doing a reunion show or small tour or something... with the son of the deceased guitarist standing in on that instrument
Thank yourself lucky you don't use tiktok tiktok is targeting women big time banning them for crap that isn't even real and besides it's a social media platform that glorifies pedophiles and rapists here in Australia it's called pedotok I dobbed in a pedo and got threatened by tiktok so never again
I couldn't help but smile at the bit where he goes up the stairs with the candlestick, because the music playing is the same as the theme music for Podge and Rodge: A Scare at Bedtime. Congratulations on reaching 30K subscribers,you deserve it.
you're analysis is correct ..The Cure went huge followed by Siouxsie and The Sisters Of Mercy ..in the UK beyond them you had The Mission and All About Eve have mainstream hits and The Fields Of The Nephilim but beyond them the classic 80s Goth bands stayed mainly underground ....
Congratulations! I’m so happy for you! It’s been a wild ride to the 30k but I enjoyed every Second of it! So excited to see what you guys have in store for us
Absolutely loved the video you reacted to, so funny. As a French person we actually do call ourselves the gothics: les gothiques. A few european countries do the same. I suppose someone from the goth sphere would call non-goths darkly inclined. Thanks for your great videos :)
Being a goth is about expressing yourself how you want too and feel happy and confident, we don't need a "tag" to be apart of the goth subculture #OutcastSociety 🖤
Being goth is much more than dressing in different clothes and makeup, goth is a culture, a new life to live, with our songs, poetry and respect! I'm very proud and happy to be part of this wonderful world of ours! 🖤🖤🖤 #Makegothgreatagain
@@camelia6922 Well, i can say that it all started in my childhood, some of my favorite movies were Addams Family, The Nightmare before christmas, The Corpse Bride, The Haunted Mansion, then when u grew up, i found out that these movies were pretty iconic in goth culture, i searched about this culture and just fell in love with it! (Also, would love to visit France! I'm Brazilian!) Edit: Coraline and the secret door was also one my favorites!
@@UmGoticoAleatorio Thank you for your answer ! I didn't know that being goth was also a culture, I thought it was just a style of dress 😭 I admire goths because you are brave to assert yourself and also because your outfits, makeup and your mentality is incredible ✨ what is the goth lifestyle like? Are there rules, beliefs? I'm really curious 😭😂 (I would also like to go to Brazil one day!)
I think goth got a little mainstream around 2004-2007 when mall goth hit the fashion industry (at least in my country in Central Europe). I could shop at any ordinary shop and find stuff(even for some rare styles like cybergoth). Also I could go out and encounter another goth daily even in my small city. But I haven't seen anyone in 10 years. Kind of miss those times! But a great video nonetheless!
Im in the U.S and remember goth becoming more mainstream around 1995/1996 when I was around 12. In New York we had goth nights at clubs and quite a few stores that sold goth and alternative fashion a few years before Hot topic opened in our local mall which was spring of 96. As much as I liked 90's hot topic, it made all the smaller niche goth shops go out of business within a few years because it was conveniently located in the mall where everyone already hung out,while the cool little shops were further away and not as easily accessible to young teens who weren't driving yet.The smaller "mom & pop" shops always had the coolest stuff that not even HT carried. :(
I have to say as someone who wore black jeans, band t-shirts and Doc Martens in the early 80's in a small western town in Canada that I really envy the clothes and the look that you two have attained. If I had bought a ruffled shirt and then dyed it black or even gray, my Mom would have killed me!! lol We had a few members of the darkly odd in our school, we listened to Skinny Puppy (who had just formed in Vancouver out of the band Images in Vogue), Sisters of Mercy, Joy Division, Siouxsie and the Banshees, the Cure, Clan of Xymox, Bauhaus etc. And in Edmonton only 30 min drive away we had the band Darkroom for live music. I have to say that I only wore eyeliner a few times because everytime I did it wound up in a fight, I kept my hair short but had chevrons carved into the back of my head, nail polish only if my girlfriend put it on and I used to get thoroughly ribbed by my Rugby Mates. I had to put aside my "Gothic" wardrobe as I hit 20 and started working in television production full time. in 1987 at 20 I could be employed, or be Goth, so I became a weekend and after shift kind of Goth. Still love the music and the aesthetic but now in my mid 50's and with a large Solar patch on top of my head I don't know that I could pull off my old look anymore, and as my waistband has expanded over the years Clothes might be interesting to find, though I have seen some killer gear online in different places. Anyway, Cheers! I really like your show, keep it dark, my friends!!
it was exciting and new in the early 80s. It died out by about 87 in the UK and had become a uniform. It had peaked by 85 and 'alternative' and 'indie' were taking its place. Rave culture exploded in 1989 and just about anything else was kicked aside. Early internet seemed to resurrect it about 2000 for some reason and it was kind of hybridised with the Fetish Scene that also grew with the internet and the novelty of a kind of public sexual expression if that makes any sense. The first wave of Goth was about posing and clubbing. Drinking was popular. Snakebite drink was probably a standard thing... it was mauve. The clothes were a bit more diy. Strappy pointy boots were the thing to wear... and sometimes wide top sort of floppy studded ankle boots. There were other tribes at goth night clubs - menacing 2nd wave punks who luckily didn't bother us. It was cool. Rockabillies, psychobillies... Maybe other things that I've forgotten. Bela Lugosi's Dead was probably the absolute anthem of the scene. I have no recollection of us calling ourselves anything, certainly not Goths. I only remember hearing the name about 1985 by which time I'd morphed into something more effortless and unspecific but still young and alternative. I was probably absorbed in the zeitgeist of that 'post-goth' period. Oh and at it's peak, it seemed massive on every High St. Far more so than any time since. But it could be we had tunnel vision and only noticed other 'goths' or whatever we were. It just seemed like we ruled in those days
Congratulations on your 30k subscription I adore your videos. On the BBC video I was for years Fasanaited about the goth scene in UK as well in Germany is a good thing to see some old gems from the early eara that made goth what is today I wish we can see more of these but in a morden era. Thank you for this video
Whitby goth weekend seems like it has become Whitby cosplay weekend 🙄🙄🙄 not very meny real goth attendees, it's changed so much, love your content and cool documentary 🖤🦇 #gothisgoth
When I started going mera luna, it was a festival of 8000-10000 people and that was much. My wife and i dont visit mera luna, wgt, amphie etc anymore. Whe visit little festivals, often one day festivals, and whe are much happier with that.
I really enjoyed this, and agreed with a lot of the points you two discussed. I'd fall into the metalhead category, but I do enjoy some gothic bands, and I'm a massive horror fan, so I've made quite a few goth friends over the years 🖤 I'd never class myself as a gatekeeper, but it is a bit frustrating that alternative fashion, and general styling, has become so mainstream currently. I'm single, and it used to be a safe bet that if I saw a tattooed guy in a band shirt wearing ripped jeans and vans, that I'd probably have some sort of common ground.... absolutely not the case these days 😂
Love seeing your guys videos! Made a tic Tok omg the clip of you dancing to the rap goth beat in the background 😂. Ummm the beginning bbc video is so funny not sure why they did it like that but it’s super.
It's always been so fun to see your guys videos. And congratulations on hitting 30k subscribers. I hope you guys have a special celebration coming along🖤🖤.
6:07 i think you'll enjoy their "Black Album", released in 1980. I love The Damned and i think The Black Album has darker songs than Eloise or the songs off their "Phantasmagoria" album. The Black Album (my favorite) has amazing creative dark gems like ""Twisted Nerve", "13th Floor Vendetta", "Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde" and , of course, the epic "Curtain Call". Even the opener, " Wait For The Blackout" is a beautiful mix between darker punk with goth themes on the lyrics. Also, "Plan 9 Channel 7" and "These Hands" off their 1979 album Machine Gun Etiquette, show the first glimpses of Dave Vanian introducing some of his darker ideas into the sound of the band. Then you have songs like "Absinthe" and "Beauty of the Beast" off their 2001 album "Grave Disorder" or even "Shadow Evocation "and "I Don't Care" from their 2018's "Evil Spirits" album, and "Black is The Night" released as a promo single for their anthology in 2019. The band is still going strong and their whole discography is pretty eclectic. Love your comments and observations guys, you are both beautiful, great Reaction!
I just found your channel yesterday, I love both of your personalities. My connection to you is your love of learning more about your life style. Funny I only wear black clothes. People say I should wear more colors. In my profile picture, that is my artist entire. You both seem so chill, I'm hooked.
Awww... I saw that video a little while ago. And I did smile then. I have been goth since the 80s. Even if I was and still are from wrong country. And we definitive didn't have internet or mobile phones with social media. And even around 2000 that sucked... lol Nowadays I am happy there is still genuine goths. Just wish some accept elders too. Still many tries connect the subculture with youth. I am a living proof it's not a phase. Remember in beginning of 2000 always get the question if I played Vampire the Masqurade. Sadly I told them no... and then say why play if you can be one? 😆😄 Thanks for the video and agree about the special effects in that video. Love from an eldergoth in Sweden. 🦇🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🦇
Hi greedings from overseas... (germany) ::I was a,, Punk,, in the early 80,s..we hanged around with the,, Gothics,, called,, Grufti, here. The scene mixed.. 🎸Try some german music stuff,, Falco-Jeanny,, (about a psyco murder from his side💀).. or.. :"Null positiv - Independenz,,.. /! Enjoy another Language
not trying to keep anybody's gate here but by 87 "goth" had been around in various forms fer almost ten years. and as much as the english have convinced the world they're the sole proprietors of the whole "movement". it had been going in the states, germany and france for a long time too but the mainstream press in all three of those countries basically ignored it whereas in the u.k. they've always been much better about covering youth movements / sub cultures, etc. mainstream press in the states (can't speak fer germany or france) they much much more pick and choose what they're gonna promote and what they will ignore mostly so they can keep it under their control in some manner. and yes conor is right i was into punk late 70's early 80's and "punk clothes" were few and far between more often than not you had to go diy there were a few stores that sold punk albums but almost none that sold punk fashions (using "punk" as a blanket term here). i do think it's a good thing that it's so much easier now to obtain cool stuff and it's all relatively cheap but i do think it has somewhat watered down the ingenuity and "purity" of the scenes. and even though i once hated this word i would say it def. has brought alot more "posers" into the scene and some ppl. don't even "pose" because they really don't participate in anythang but the clothes. alot don't even know the band on their shirt. great vid well done. i love old footage too
In October I will be supporting Britain's gothic festival in Whitby as it is one of my favourite places and it is amazing to see all aspects of our subcultures are there.
Kensington high street was the best in the late 80’s! London🖤 Difficult to get decent goth clothes back then we often needed to travel abroad or in the big cities. most of our looks were DIY 😂
It can definitely be confusing with movements related to Billie Eilish, e-girls and such, that definitely heavily borrow from goth and alternative styles and are interested in a lot of darker themed visuals. I do a lot of dark/metal themed art on Instagram and sometimes I’ll get interest from people who, from a brief glimpse at their profile, I will assume might be into some metal, goth or other alternative musics, so I’ll ask and get barraged with a ton of modern pop and hip hop artists(who I’ll then have to look up because I’m completely out of touch with modern pop)and it will be like “oh… so I guess we don’t have as much to talk about as I originally thought 😔.”
Anyone on here attending Whitby Goth Weekend this October?? I think I've always been goth, but I am only gradually like the past few years starting to express myself more with more eccentric aesthetic and finding the right look for me. I would love to meet more fellow Goths, I only personally know about 3 lol let me know if anyone would want to meet up or hang out at Whitby this year with me and my man friend. I'm 23 btw I don't see how that would matter but I just thought I would include that incase my age is too old or too young for some.... Anyways hope to see some new lovely people there 🖤💜🖤💜 xxxxxxxx
So tales from the US midwest 80's. (I'm in my 50's 🤘) I've always dressed in black and to a lesser extent military surplus gear. Makeup wasn't really a thing around me. In fact the punks, goths, and other non mainstream kids banded together for survival and comradery. We all listened to our main flavors in music but there was a lot of sharing of different ideas bands etc between the smaller groups. As for fashion you had to craft it yourself. Modifying things like trench coats to add a sleeve of chainmail, pins and buttons, spikes etc. (lord I miss that coat) I think the form of goth/punk/whatever still lives on in Wisconsin. (I hope) Music is a big deal with tons of garage bands of all flavors playing bars on Friday and Saturday nights. I discovered one of my favorite bands this way by pure luck. All The Pretty Horses is a glam-punk band with a trans lead singer and go go dancers. Not something you expect to see in a midwestern college bar. But the were fantastic. The most innovative uses of theatrics I've seen for a $7 cover charge. Glow tubes and bubble guns for the dancers check. Someone throwing rose petals on the lead singer from the balcony during her solo check. Two people using shop lights clipped to pieces of wood to have motion spotlights in the front row. check They were a gas. You can find some of their tunes and shows on youtube. Mite I suggest All The Pretty Horses - God Dog (flashing lights warning) All The Pretty Horses - If God Were Caught (flashing lights warning) You may like them.
When I started dressing and expressing myself in goth-adjacent ways in my early teeanage years, I took inspiration from the movies and comic books I was consuming, but was still listening to primarily rap and ska music, as I simply didn't get exposed to actual goth or metal music until later on. I literally found Marilyn Manson through someone telling me I looked like him xD
Guys, You're forgetting, this was what, 1987? The Gothic, now called Goth was a much smaller subculture w/ many facets it hadn't split off in such diversity. I lived thru this and saw all the separate sub-subcultures evolve and grow. You're quite young, I doubt you've seen a time when there weren't such definite divisions but this was back, still at the beginnings.
The reason for these stories along with stuff about the satanic panic etc. Gothic people are interesting. It's eye candy. I don't think it's as much journalism as it is entertainment media ❤❤❤
Aahh, memories...Of being one of a few in my wee Scottish town. Getting chased, spat on and my favourite...when I inadvertently scared off a Jehovah's Witness ,Hee hee! Dave Vanian and Patricia Morrison, yum 💀🖤
You say basically what was the point? To this video, but growing up in a tiny conservative mid American town where I was basically the weird kid these blurbs gave me hope that I wasn't the only "different" person out there.
While I do understand what you mean the thing is this was made for the BBC in the late 80s. It only aired on UK (and maybe Irish television). The cure were massive by this point and a household name, even Irish television (which was years behind the norm usually) had already aired in depth segments and interviews with Goth, Punk and Alt people years previous by that point. The Internet didn't exist so there was no wide audience, it just seems like an odd rehash of things they had already done
Goth back in the mid 80s with the big hair, All still cloaked in black, but with shorter spikier hair these days. Oh, and now living in Paraguay the heat deters others from following the same route.
I wanted to add to your conversation with Gen Z getting into the subculture and stuff. Yes the fashion is more accessible which is a good thing. But I disagree with you can’t tell? I don’t know if this is my school or my state. But I don’t see vary many alt people here. I know very few at my school actually. I can think of maybe 2-3 people who are alternate from when I’ve talked to them. If you dress the extreme way like I do (or you guys for example) or at least “emo” you get yelled at in the halls and screamed at for existing. I also noticed from past friends they have their weird tone when talking to you, it’s like they are judgy? But generally I disagree. It’s rare I find people who like the stuff I do. And it’s hard to talk to people or start conversations as well. And the people I kinda have met have trouble finding the money for the fashion? This is just my experience with being alt for the past few years now
