No one in their right mind should trust a State to regulate everything in their boundaries. They can’t even protect people from restaurants that fail health scores. Clearly it’s about profit and they’re trying to trigger emotional responses from a bunch of dupes.
@curtislee5937 Clearly you Place much greater trust in unnamed unknown typically corrupt bureaucrats in Washington DC, rather than the elected legislators in your own state. If that's your thing, so be it, but I just think that's kind of crazy.
It will go straight to investors as soon as cox gets his hands on it. Don't buy into this crap. Ask anyone in southern Utah how the land seems to disappear once the state trades with BLM
Take your land back. There is no constitutional mandate for the Federal Government to have control of state lands beyond forts, ports and ten square miles in DC.
Yes. That's true. But don't let him fool you. He won't let anyone do any third party verification of the signatures he used to supercede the primary voting in his party to steal the candidacy from the truly popular and already voted for candidate. He also helped embezzle over $150 billion through Utah with the federal government. So he can pretend to be standing up to the feds, but he's a fed crony and has probably committed serious election fraud.
@@daltonl8751 The US Constitution's Property Clause, Article IV, Section 3, Clause 2, gives Congress the power to regulate, transfer, and dispose of federal property without limitations, this guy just made it up lol
@@jesuslover4436 That's NOT even what the US constitution says and means. You copy and pasted what the GOVT thinks. This is what the US Constitution said: The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.............The premises of the US Constitution is FREEDOM. If you don't understand the principles and fundamentals behind the whole US constitution, of course you will read that as if the Federal Govt has no limitations.
@@Isaacmantx it's a disaster because humans were stupid and stuck toxic metals like arsenic in the lake so if it dries up, then salty, poisonous silt will blow across the landscape and agriculture nearby becomes impossible Aral Sea part 2...
People need to stop praising Cox in the comments. I live in Utah. This guy straight up stole the Election from the guy he was running against and refuses to show the citizens of Utah the signatures he obtained. Also they are not counting any of the votes from Washington County which is the 2nd largest voting base in Utah after salt Lake County and it's areas. He's only doing this to score cheap political points and he has a vested interest in getting this passed. Look up his family business.
People need to stop praising Cox in the comments. I live in Utah. This guy straight up cheated the person he ran against and refuses to show the citizens of Utah the signatures he obtained. Also they are not counting any of the votes from Washington County which is the 2nd largest voting base in Utah after salt Lake County and it's areas. He's only doing this to score cheap political points and he has a vested interest in getting this passed. Look up his family business.
People need to stop praising Cox in the comments. I live in Utah. This guy straight up cheated the person he ran against and refuses to show the citizens of Utah the signatures he obtained. Also they are not counting any of the votes from Washington County which is the 2nd largest voting base in Utah after salt Lake County and it's areas. He's only doing this to score cheap political points and he has a vested interest in getting this passed.
I can’t love this enough and I hope my state of Idaho follows Utah’s lead! I’m tired of the fires and smoke that unconstitutional,mismanaged land brings to the citizens in the West!
When I went the BLM office to get a senior pass for visiting, they were about 10 guys (BLM) walking around in tactical gear and long rifles. Citizens are losing their rights to public lands!
@curtislee5937 correct - I suspect if Federal lands are tsken over by the state the Mormon church will eventually get their hands on most of it at the expense of everyone else.
Some company, maybe samsung, just announced new battery technology that relies on silver. The recharging specs put lithium to shame, even capacity. The ability to charge so many vehicles remains an obstacle.
Enumerated powers: where in the constitution does it grant the federal government the right to own massive swaths of the country under their direct control?
Remember the illegal ride led by Lyman. The video of all the protesters ready to go to war with the federal government and all the guns on both sides. Then all the kids they brought along for the protest on the front of their 4 wheelers. Lyman and the bunch were so brave.
@curtislee5937 you mean the ride that Juan Palmer, state BLM director, approved and assured him would not result in any arrests or legal issues, but then there were? Do you mean the ride that was illegal after the fact? Do you mean the ride that resulted in the kangaroo trial, much like those Trump went through? Do you mean the ride that resulted in over $300,000 of falsified damage that never happened?
@@curtislee5937 , Do you mean the ride that was approved by Juan Palma, state BLM director, who assured them there would be NO legal issues with their peaceful demonstration? Do you mean the ride that they falsely claimed $300,000 of "damages" and took Lyman to court for where they wouldn't allow evidence to be presented? What bravery did they need when they were guaranteed no retaliation for the protest? And you're going to have to provide the video you reference that shows guns ready to go to war. I haven't seen it.
I'm a 5th Gen. Texan who moved to Idaho 25 yrs. ago to regain the personal freedoms I grew up with as a child. If you look at the map behind the speakers you will notice virtually NO federal lands in the state of Texas. This is because Texas fought & won their own independence. Texas was a sovereign country for almost 10 yrs. before the USA negotiated Texas joining the union. The USA wanted a buffer between it & Mexico! In that agreement Texas retained all of their public lands. The other western states had to buy their statehood by giving their public lands to the USA.
@@claytonbruner1808 And the citizens of Texas have set aside state parks all over the state. Plus, there are National Parks! I've been to Big Bend, The Big Thicket, & Padre Island National Parks.
People need to stop praising Cox in the comments. I live in Utah. This guy straight up stole the Election from the guy he was running against and refuses to show the citizens of Utah the signatures he obtained. Also they are not counting any of the votes from Washington County which is the 2nd largest voting base in Utah after salt Lake County and it's areas. He's only doing this to score cheap political points and he has a vested interest in getting this passed. Look up his family business.
I hope the Supreme Court will hear Utah’s case. Then I hope Nevada, Wyoming, Idaho, New Mexico, Arizona, and Alaska AG’s will continue the March forward. It would be great if Washington, Oregon, and California would follow suit, but I believe they’re already a lost cause. Here is a good reason for the state of Greater Idaho.
It's about time that someone held the Federal Government to the Constitution which only allows it to own forts and ports and D.C. The Northwest Territories Treaty defined (historically) how the Federal Government was to handle bringing territories into the union as states and it made it clear that once the terrirory became a state all lands within its borders would be controlled by the state. That didn't happen with the western lands and should have. Good luck with your lawsuit but I believe you didn't go far enough and should have sued for ALL Federal land that isn't forts or ports within your state.
The Federal Govt should NOT own or control land within a state boundary unless it is a military base. They should give all the land to the state within which it lies.
What else was in the bill that made it unworkable in his opinion? Just asking for more context. It’s one thing to say he’s bad because of simplified reasoning, but laws are usually more complex than a 80 character comment can explain.
@@MasonPayne his reason was "I want them to live", noting the high suicide rate among our LGBT youth. Republicans overrode his veto and passed their bill without his signature.
33 states own over 80% of their land. 3 states own 70-80% of their land. 5 states own 50-70% of their land. Utah owns less than 25% of its own land. Why?
I am sympathetic to this argument, but through very direct and personal experience, here in Arizona, at least state trust land, there is no worse manager than the state land trust people. I could give you countless examples. The state forestry division does a good job, but state trust is absolutely pathetic. So I guess it depends on who is going to manage public lands. I would be interested to learn, without private ownership of land, there is no tax on land, where does the state come up with the monies to then fund management of these lands? I suppose grazing fees, other fees?
Finally!!! I have been saying the federal government has no business holding land and at this large amount it is wrong. Absolutely wrong and it’s about time it is addressed. My question is why did it take you so long Governor Cox?! Why did you wait so long to file this action against the federal government? We truly need a governor who is moving faster on these issues. Is this only happening because we are on the brink of elections?
I think we actually need to challenge the roadless plans in the national forest here in Utah as well. What they have done with roads even in the last couple of years in Dixie national forest is absolutely ridiculous, yet they have done horrendous damage in the areas they have thinned the last 5 years. Does anybody ever see this mess?? It is unbelievable, but DONT YOU DARE DRIVE THOSE 100 YEAR OLD DIRT ROADS!
Once the state has control of all the federal lands who pays for the giant forest fires. Who will watch over the state so they dont sell it all of to the highest bidder and closes off all access.
Who will watch over the state?! Maybe the people who live there, the citizens of that state. Using your argument the government should take over 70 percent of Massachusetts.
I’ve been saying for quite some time that the US Constitution does not allow the Federal government. This needs to be pushed to DC and the BLM workers that have never been out west.
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Is this to distract from his illegitimate candidacy? I'll give it to him that it's the most creative distraction I've ever seen in my life from a politician. Very clever. If i didn't know so much about his corruption, I'd be tempted to like him.
I’ve wondered about this regarding Nevada, Utah, Alaska, Arizona, New Mexico, Wyoming all locked up in federal control with artificial high land prices and resources locked up.
Doesn't matter how much is unappropriated, you make it ALL available when you remove the federal control. So the REAL question is, who is actually wanting this other land? That is who is actually funding this suit.
Agreed. This is the first thing he's done (that I can recall) which has been truly for the Utah people. Seems to be a political chess move... probably will not go anywhere because it's only a move for votes. He didn't make it in convention so he stole the primary. Now he needs the people to actually vote for him. I hope I'm wrong, and we can get our lands back - but I'm not holding my breath.
Governor Cox seems to overlook the fact that public lands belong to all Americans, not just a select group of locals. These lands are managed and preserved by the BLM for the benefit of the entire nation. If activities such as unrestricted ATV use, which is what a lot of this is about, are allowed to proceed unchecked, there soon won't be much left of these public lands.
Most BLM workers (bureaucrats) have never been out west. There’s no BLM land east of the Rockies. How can they possibly know what is best for lands out here?
I understand your argument. But let me place a couple of burrs to think on. First of all, do you want Federal to have that much control over those public lands? Think about that one long and hard. How does the state gather taxes that the lands can produce? And I'm not talking about extracting oil or mining, even though that could apply, but skip that for now with that question. Here's another point. Over the years Utah has by far better managed budgets for lands than federal government has. The national parks/monuments have closed for many days because of federal's mis-management of funs. I don't know when Utah government has ever done that. Also if you are restricting lands from use by ranchers, that literally stings everybody in countless ways. But I think the bottom line to this whole ordeal here is, these lands are more controlled by lobbyists who tell Federal what they want them to do. Sensible Utah public is very frustrated in not being listened to and told what will become of the land. And that's where the constitution steps in.
@@gpenrod5221 I agree with what you’re saying. The states, being right here, can, and possibly do a much better job managing the resources, plus spending any money wiser (maybe). My experience with the BLM has been in Southern Utah where they want to close access to off road vehicle travel. My wife and I are both disabled vets, and can’t hike, so we go out in our Jeep. Most areas we travel are desert, and are not traveled by “normal” people, yet when the BLM wants to close access, they have their public meetings and opinion areas on their website, but in reality they don’t care what the public says. If the states had control, they’d be easier to have to answer to their employers, the public.
The point isn't to give unrestricted access to any group. it's to actually manage , properly restrict and even educate users. BLM had failed in this area, and instead just says one user's abuse will cut off access to thousands. Utah can better manage the land.
The Federal government has been constitutionally been given the authority to have Forts, Courts, Ports, Postal Roads and other needful buildings at the states discretion.
