Govt review of Māori, Pacific doctor pathway 'disappointing' | TVNZ Breakfast 

There's no easy passing of exams or giving out of degrees.

This is a profoundly incorrect understanding of what is happening here

​@@iammattbarker Do they admit Moari and pacific people into medical school with lower grade requirements?

@@AB7F9 most are from areas that are on the highest depravation scale.

@@AB7F9 yep they can get into the medicine degree on a B+ average while other students require much higher

You do realise that examination and certification is the same for all though, don't you?

@@SB-Kiwi but but but but you are forgetting that they might not be the same ethnicity. Everyone knows that you can only see a doctor of the same ethnicity as yourself. Duh

@@mikeThomas-rt3il go back to sleep, mate.

@@SB-Kiwi what ethnicity are you ? I need to know otherwise I cant take your professional advice seriously

@@mikeThomas-rt3il I'm not giving you advice, I'm simply stating facts. My ethnicity is of no consequence to this discussion.

funny way to say maori are over represented

Yeah because the keep getting away with the same exact Same crimes

They still have to pass the exams.

I agree they think we are not intelligent.

Not at the pass rate of white intelligent people ,the pass rate has to drop to get others in . Fk them operating on me .

They are, the problem isnt passing the exam, the problem is being competitive enough to get into medical school, and on average non maori and pacific people have more advantages of being competitive and doing better than maori and pacific due to external factors like socio-economic status and access to education. It's not a fair competition, hence why we have admission schemes

I can understand that , thanks 😊 @@you-eo2wl

To be fair, I’m pretty sure they would not be able to find anyone else with expertise in the area to have a different view point… coming from the medical profession everyone wholeheartedly agrees with and supports this scheme.

@@paulinekerckhoffs3774 thanks for your reply. I know Doctors who want to see the deserving being accepted into professional courses. They're just unable to come out publicly to challenge the shared narrative or kaupapa. I know children of migrants, who spoke no English when they started their schooling as kids in New Zealand, who got 93/94 grade point averages in their first year Health Science papers. They unfortunately were not in the right ethnic group to be accepted into the professional programme.

Became they all operate on a mandate to grow the asset base first and foremost that being a condition put on all iwi on receipt of the funds supplied by the taxpayer of whom every person named as a beneficiary within that iwi are. So in fact we too are paying for this so called compensation ourselves. If any monies are available after investments to grow the asset base are available they then can but not necessarily be distributed to the beneficiaries at the discretion of the trust. Contrary to the popular belief that maori have all this money to invest into the betterment of their beneficiaries lives the conditions that came with that money fundamentally impedes the ability for the iwi to do what you have suggested and let's not forget that this money essentially a debt trap as you could hardly call it compensation if the people being compensated are also the people who are paying for it neither does it remove the responsibility for the governing bodies to fulfill their obligations to their citizens including iwi.

I can’t answer that but I would say that surely it’s good economic sense to invest in programmes that evidently result in fewer costs to the public healthcare system This is the govt of strong economic management right?

They are absolutely not “second rate” - they need to pass exactly the same examinations and be at the same standard as everyone else to be able to graduate!

Woke reverse racism. It has to stop

@konceptgaming9469 I agree, but just because they are qualified does not mean they all have the best intentions. If a racist/ classicist becomes qualified in whatever field of profession they choose, they will exercise their intentions against those they are racist/classicist against. If every doctor or nurse shared your sentiments then every patient would experience the best quality of care and in that case we would be able to experience equality. Unfortunately, reality is what it is and a lot of Maori & Pacific Islanders suffer as the result.

I was once told by a doctor that everyone of us on this planet has the same opportunity as each other and our bodies differ so little no matter what race. And that cultural beliefs are the cause for a lot of the health issues people end up with, but lots of cultures are to stuck in their traditional ways and dont want to change that. And this is one of the reason leading to higher health risks and higher deaths than other cultures. But so many choose to ignore this and lay blame on the system also which has to stop. And it's the same with the education system, and many other systems in NZ we need to be all equal no matter what culture you are. Moari and pacific people have the same opportunity the get a good education special funding just to help increase that then become a race issue again

@@konceptgaming9469 And as long as that doctor who shared his opinions and views with you, is treating Maori and Pacific Islander patients with the best quality of care and the same quality of care as he/she should with every patient he/she treats, and, as long as that doctor is using his/her qualification to ensure that his/her patients are able to receive all available resources specific to the patients health requirements, and also, just being a good human and wanting to see his/her patients live a good life within whatever span of health capacity the patient is in it's a definite plus in my book, it should be the top priority for every doctor. I'm not surprised that the doctor shared with you a very narrow view/opinion/theory, probably grew up exclusively and not relatable to the world outside of his/her own much like the broken health system that many have had such shocking experiences within. It's no secret that there are really wicked health professionals at all different levels of the medical field and in it's different sectors. It's just shocking when you come across it and dealing with humans that do that. So so low.

@@arihiawaata8160 Gee that was a novel to read, Do you do this for a living. I trust this doctor very highly and i believe their views to be correct. they know the Human body and how it all works a lot more than you and I. To judge them how you have done is very disrespectful. Almost all doctors are there for everyone its not a race Issue, this whole story is about Maori and pacific People getting more funding just to get doctors in those areas, and i strongly believe they should be achieved the same way as everyone other race on this planet and if not it sure is racist

Well they are up against a biased government. Luxcon and co want to smash Maori. Good luck with that, numptys!!

You don't, but newsflash, the world doesn't revolve around you mate.

@@SB-Kiwi good luck mate.

@@RightVortex173 thanks, bud.

He? So doctors can only be male? Also I’m sorry but people do care and you don’t speak for everyone.

Same scores as rural, adult and post grad students. Do your research or remain uncomfortable.

I was always under the impression it was better to start something at the beginning. Hm, go figure.

What an ignorant position to take, given the facts by 2 distinguished medical professionals

@@HeemiTeRuu Minimum total score for otago med in 2022: General: 93.00 Māori: 86.00 Indigenous Pacific: 69.14 Rural: 69.57 I don't mind having quotas. But what's annoying is that somone with 1% Māori or Pacifica ancestory or a person who spent some time laving rural can basically get guarantied entry into med. 70% vs 93-94%..... seriously????? Also there's no gurantee that a person from rural categoiry will go back and become a rural doctor nor any gurantee that maori and pacifica doctors wont flock to Australia. It's a terrible scheme.

@@JATINDERSIDHU-hk7hv it is a scheme, to improve patient engagement. Also you just pointed out māori have a higher grade score than rural. My point exactly why are they focused on māori, there is post grad, rural and mature student schemes also. Some will go to aussie, some will stay in the trenches as ahi ka 👌🏾

Of course they pass all the same exams and tests 🤦🏽‍♀️

Yes they absolutely do! That is why criticism of this programme is so unfounded.

@@paulinekerckhoffs3774 No it's not as in a limited space environment, they displace better qualified candidates__ if as many have written that they must pass the same exams to qualify they are quite capable of passing entrance quals..

@@krisp4889 and who are you to say other candidates would be “better” They bring with them not only academic achievements but the support of iwi, they bring with them the ahua that growing up Maori and pacific gives you that you cannot teach. A lot of pakeha really need to understand that a lot of your privileges in life come off the genocide and atrocities your tupuna inflicted on Maori.

Yes they do, I am a Maori medical student who cam in through MAPAS and we all have to still do and pass the same exams. Once you are in, you do EVERYTHING everyone else has to do

You never will with the wokesters from BREAKFAST.They sre so woke and wet.They are so biased with questions and views.

Well one of these two men has already resigned from his position because he has no confidence in the new government and wants to be free to speak his mind freely. Kinda blows your silly claim out of the water doesn't it?

@@SB-Kiwi The guy who resigned believes in equity over actual equality that's the root of the problem here.

@@TheDigitalShrapnel the guy who resigned wants to help his people out of poverty and destitution.

Watch the platform . Its not racist or woke

Are Chinese people over-represented in all the worst health statistics? If there are systemic problems with Chinese New Zealanders accessing the health services that could be improved by having more Chinese doctors, then such a proposal might be justified, otherwise you're just playing the slippery slope game.

​@@AnthonyFlacksomeone talking sense. Well that's sobering.

The reason Maori have poor health outcomes is beacuse of poor life choices. Not the treatment they receive. How about trying to excercise and not eat take aways. Or not getting addicted to drugs and alcohol. What about not having 6 kids when you're on the benifit.... Lots of ways to have a healthier life and healthier kids. But instead of taking the responsibility on themselves they want the govt. Aand the tax payer to give handouts without any real thought as to the root causes of iniquity.

@@dubplateriddim look at any country in the world that has been colonised and the indigenous people are the minority, look at where those people sit on the social economic ladder - America, Australia, Canada, New Zealand just to name the obvious ones. Once a people have been harshly discriminated against, lost everything and are suddenly in a very foreign world of which they initially had very little understanding, the generational negative social repercussions that has on a people are obvious. When this occurs it is no easy task to simply pull an entire people up and out of the gutter. It is however easy to sit on the outside with little to no understanding of why these people universally sit on the bottom run of the social economic ladder in the first place and ignorantly criticise. Something which you have so clearly demonstrated.

@@SB-Kiwi They get scholarships and handouts what more ?

"It just makes it harder for no Maori or Pacifica applicants." How?? Maori and Pacifica don't face a "harder" entrance criteria than White, Asian or Indian counter parts__ they are completely the same. Watched video recently where a feminist was asked what a Female was stopped from doing__ a long silence followed.

White Fragility

Yeah mister racist I'm half maori and have always been called msori from my white peers so if the likes of you call us maori hello when do we or how do Trans to "kiwi"?

So which part is maori and which part is European? Can I cut off my hand to remove my european part? Or is the idea of being part something a bit stupid?

@@korowheke3182 Yep, all these Kiwis are "My people" regardless of their ethnic makeup or skin color.

And what are you. Pakeha are mixed too.

Maori elite 😂😂😂😂 keep the jokes coming lol

Unfortunately for you and your white privileged thinking, your crumbling British empire did not conquer the Maori. Also the crown only paid back 1% of the land they unjustly stole (proven in your white courts) and with the apology that this country would be bankrupt do some research before you go on about maori you perfect human being

You're clearly not Maori then.

If the pakeha elite weren't so greedy and were willing to share a little more, everybody would be better off. Even them, honestly.

I'm Māori, and I agree the top rank, head of funds, trusts, and iwi leaders, could help build needful infrastructure and invest in iwi health. But I'm Pakeha too and they are greedy, only thinking of their pockets. If Māori, were empowered then there would be fewer health issues, less poverty, and more money earned by tax-paying Māori. Came to Australia and saw all the Māori people striving, there's so much opportunity in Australia for Māori, dam we are loved more here than in NZ.

I have an Indian doctor and a Chinese dentist, I am really struggling to understand why I should care about their ethnic background, or why any Maori should care.

@@Battleneter - I don't believe for one second that you are struggling to understand. You're struggling to form a coherent argument to justify what you already think. I don't see any attempt to understand anyone else's perspective.

@@Battleneter my dentist is a woman!!

@@JohanThiart OMG, mate you can't relate to a women or a person that is not the same ethnicity, you need to find new one!

@@Battleneter my health is in jeopardy! I need help from the bloody government.

Were you a good patient?

Agreed, I'm a Pacific islander born in NZ. My experiences with white Doctors, not all, but some have been soul destroying. Also with other non Maori and non Pacific Doctors, horrible experiences. I'd like to see more Pacific Island and Maori Doctors and Nurses. Patients would definitely go to their GP.

@@Gumpmachine1 Well, I'm not white or a public figure with wealth so I guess not. The experience is extremely terrifying knowing that people hide inside their professions only to reveal themselves to those who meet the criteria of their desired target and being that their target is vulnerable, means they can exercise their hate which they do. Sadly, this is the reality of the answer to your question.

@@arihiawaata8160 I actually meant were you polite, well spoken, agreeable. The reason i ask is because racial discrimination is often confused with negative behavioural traits. If you go into a medical facility with a chip on your shoulder thinking you’re going to be treated poorly because you aren’t white then you’re basically fulfilling your own prophecy. I’ve observed this myself where Maori patients were being aggressive and rude especially to the Indian staff at Rotorua hospital.

@@Gumpmachine1 Actually, I don't believe for a second that Maori seeking medical treatment for whatever health issue they have would present themselves negatively when in a vulnerable state of health, in fact, nobody would do this which negates your nonsensical theory of Maori seeking help with a preconceived belief that the level of medical care is based on whether or not you are well spoken. In the first instance, you're just a person seeking medical treatment. Being Maori or Maori without status isn't an issue until you're faced with a ''doctor'' that sees this as an issue and then proceeds to act upon it as it isTHEIR issue which is the reason WHY they proceed to terrorize your health leaving you to experience what they are doing to you as it is happening to you. Basically, you have entered an abusive relationship without knowing that your doctor whom you are seeking help from is going to use your vulnerability against you. I Know I'm not the only one who has experienced the wrath of racism/classicism. If you are a doctor reading this, and you have hidden issues of being racist or a classicist and intend on punishing patients that fit the description of your preferred target then do the right thing and either quit being a doctor or get professional psychological help so that you are not a hazard to patients lives, remembering that you took an oath to first do no harm.

He said one might be more inclined to present a case earlier to a Maori doctor. It has nothing to do with racism and more to do with feeling more comfortable seeing a Dr whom may understand better their own culture therefore making them feel more comfortable and at ease.

@@SB-Kiwi well that’s a divisive mentality.. welcome 2024

@@BlackMagic_9087 no I don't think so. Why is it divisive for one to feel comfortable when visiting a Dr?

I have an Indian Doctor and a Chinese Dentist, I never realised as a "white guy" I am getting sub standard medical treatment, who knew !

@@Battleneter you obviously didn't read my first comment. Try reading that one again.

why the fuck does race relations in the US apply to NZ it doesn't. i aint gonna read it bcus it has nothing to do with new Zealand

I read it. Robin deangelo is a race-baiter who successfully got rich pedalling absolute nonsense. Anyone who thinks that is a good book needs a strong dose of reality

How do you define 'Pakeha' ? If a person is 80% European and 20% Maori, is that person Pakeha, Pakeha with part Maori or what? A person with 80% Pakeha and 20% Maori in their DNA would NOT appear to be 'Maori', or is that inconvenience subject to the woke re-write of NZ science?

​@daedalus7677 if your skin is not white all white person looks at you as a halfbreed you talk as you have walked the road of a colored man

@@daedalus7677 it’s how you define Māori. That’s quite simple really, if you have genealogy which connects you to Maori then you’re Maori. Percentages aren’t a thing Māori will use.