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When you finish 4 games out of first place…wha, wha. Check back in 3 seasons when you fill out all the holes in your roster. But you guys are definitely on the right track. Maybe you’ll improve quicker if the coach is better than expected, but I thought Vrabell was a hell of a coach. But you couldn’t stick with a heavy run game in today’s NFL, you need to score points. Best of luck (except against my Colts, but feel free to kill the Jags and Houston)!

Facts I’ll take will levis over Richardson any day

@@Cen_TexLegendgood thing you’re not a GM 😉

And he’ll do just that 👌

@@bigike33these comments are fan boy on Will Levis. That’s crazy. AR is contending because of the Colts organizations, Shane Steichen, and a good young supporting cast. The Titans don’t have any of that lol

@@Commander_Clawlmao I’m happy everybody’s low on will Levis that just means I’m gone be rich by the end of the season he definitely a must draft in everyone of my best ball entry’s

So excited for this season, colts texans matchups gonna feed families

Colts lmao

Nah, NFC is way better, just like Love is better than Steoud

@@JohnStockton7459 The AFC is like 12 QBs deep, the NFC has like 3. You’re just a blind homer.

@@JohnStockton7459 in what way? Stroud did more in his first year, even when missing 2 games for concussion, than Love did even with 3 years of sitting in the sideline learning.

Might have the best support considering he has two pass catching TEs and a superstar WR with a great WR2. If only Josh Jacobs was still around.

They only want to talk Raiders if it’s negative.

They are covering starters and Minshew will most likely start for Vegas.

I am a raiders fan, Minshew is going to start anyways no need to mention AOC anyways

Minshew will be the starter

No he doesn’t he can’t run extremely slow

He had under 330 yards in 15 games stop the guy is a practice squad player

@@123shoshan Ran a 4.61 for a TE group that averaged 4.73 in 2022, so he's definitely faster than average.

@@123shoshan You don't know anything about the Colts if you say that about Woods. He got those yards averaging around 22 snaps a game. If he hadn't gotten hurt he would've been used a lot more last year than his rookie year. He's back healthy now so we'll come back to this comment later Lol

@@123shoshanpractice squad player?😂 do you look at the stats or do you actually watch football? Keep sleeping tho😴 😂

Cuz they are rating them based off of levis. Which is stupid

You can have the greatest receiving corps in the NFL, but with a mediocre QB it doesn't mean much. Levis has a LOT to prove. He made several mistakes that put his team in bad spots. Hopkins is old as is. Pollard is injury prone. It isn't disrespect, it's an accurate assessment.

@@clamus68dude he was behind the worst offensive line in the country and didn’t even start the entire season.

@@mrbojangles6156 so was CJ Stroud. The Texans had 12 injuries on the Offensive line last year. Lost both Tackles once. Lost the Right Tackle a second time for the Season. Left Guard cost the Texans 4 separate players, 3 of them for the Season. So how did CJ Stroud do so much better? Because he's the better prospect.

@@clamus68not to make excuses but stroud has better weapons than Levis did

big time

Yeah, i mean hopkins coming to end but Ridley and Boyd are really good wrs

Titans are trash bro. Yall messed up by getting rid of a good coach and letting henry go

You know damn well the Titans would be a media hype machine right now had golden boy Malik Willis not been a bust. That’s how shady the media is. They gave Malik Willis more hype than Will Levis. The coddling and propping up of black QBs is out of control

How so? They finished last in the division last year. Did you expect a party to be thrown after acquiring a few players in FA lol? And they have the worst OL in the division.

And he showed flashes of Josh and Pat. Watch the tape

Dudes going to be unbelievable watch

@@marshcrewwatch him only finish one game again ?

Small sample size, but as a Colts fan for the last 50 years, I'm stoked.

@@brycehoward4139 A pox upon for house for putting that out into the universe.

Both Texans RBs have at least had more than 200 carries in a season, Spears has 100 in his 1 year career. Would hardly call a RB coming off of an injury and a RB with 100 career carries a 2 headed monster, though it should scare Titan fans especially with that offensive (causing someone to feel deeply hurt, upset, or angry) line. That being said, if said line can protect Levis, he does have a lot of weapons in the receiving game. Including those 2 RBs, who are really good in the passing game.

@@tshaw2856spears was behind Henry, how do you expect him to get 200+ carry’s in that scenario? What we saw from him was good and if he improves this year he’ll be great.

@@motivationallizard6644”if”

@@motivationallizard6644 "And if you aunt had nuts, she’d be your uncle". There are a ton of players you could say something similar to “If he (Spears) improves, he’d be good.” That’s not exactly a ringing endorsement. Neither of your Titans RBs have had the success or shown the durability that Mixon has.

I’m sure he wanted to go 2-15 next season.

Apparently jelani woods doesnt exist anymore 😭🤣

I know, who puts these lists together?

Once Levis sees that playbook, we'll know if he can handle a complex offense.

Titans suck

Lol yall do suck! Go Colts

Titans have the worse qb in the division.

I can't see the Titans finishing anywhere but 4th....but that's why they play the games. Go Texans.

Yea that was a wild take. Florio is always making bold claims.

Can Hopkins get any slower and still catch EVERY contested ball? Dude's a beast, unfortunately my Colts bring out the best in him.

If you ignore the offense line

You mean Minshew ,rite?

​@isbilly1they have 4 above average starters on the line wtf are you talking about 😂

If you ignore the O-line, backup QB (watch Minshew win the starting job), and only 1 WR (Adams is great though). And Bowers should re-define his position. But if you think the Raiders are an offensive juggernaut, you’re deluding yourself. I do love HC Pierce though, but he’ll always be a defensive coach.

Why does it matter

As a Colts fan he will be solid when he’s playing. But the big question is health. I wish they drafted rattler in the 3rd or 4th as insurance or Milton in the 5th or 6th

I highly disagree but we will definitely see.

​@@youngrickey4927That's not the best of backup plans as Milton is a project player as well.

Finally, someone with a good head on his shoulders! An excellent comment, good sir. Except Richardson’s half was closer to a quarter, making it even more spectacular, but I agree with what you're saying! GO HORSE!!! For the shoe!!!

@@youngrickey4927 Relax, we got Joey “Rocketarm” Flacco, we’re GOLDEN!!

Right. No mention of AOC.

I’m not in Oakland and I’m a big Politics buff, but everytime I see the abbreviation AOC, I ask myself, “Why are they talking about Alexandria Ocasio Cortez when talking football”? And I’m a huge Purdue fan!

You should, I think he’s a Stud. This is coming from a big Colts fan. I think all 4 franchises are set at for for the next 10-15 years (Jax has the least time left since Lawrence is the oldest, obviously).

He hasn't popped off because he really truly sucks. He's been given opportunity after opportunity and does nothing out there. He's one of those players that the fanbase hangs onto for years hoping he'll do something. He asked for a trade last year and not a single team wanted him

He's better than I expected. He def has top 15 potential.

Name 17-22 starting quarterbacks worse than Will Levis??? Just wait and let things play out first.

@@future_teknokrat7585 he didn't say "is," he said "will be."

You obviously didn’t watch the four games he partially played in. He was single-handedly killing the Texans in Houston when he got that cheap-ass concussion after he crossed the goal-line. That was his third touchdown play and the second quarter has just begun. I think he got hurt like the first play of the second quarter or close to it. Stroud wasn’t doing anything except gawking with his mouth open and thinking “That’s what the Rookie-of-the-Year looks like”. It’s a damn shame Richardson got hurt. We’ll see who’s the better QB this season. But it’ll be a dogfight for the division. Can’t wait for football season!

He was fast

Exactly who is O’Connell competing against to become the “2nd highest performing 2nd year QB”? I’m not ripping him, I’m a huge Purdue fan. But that must be a pretty small group, like how many are we talking about? Is it a group of 2 QBs? 4 QBs? And who are they? And how do you define a “performing” QB? Winning percentage? Passing percentage? TD to INT ratio? Just curious.

Maybe because JT’s most recent game was 188 against a top-5 rushing defense lmfaoooo

​@@parkerhoff4774He ran all over the Texans.

Taylor came back from his injury and finished the second half of the season strong and perfectly healthy. He put that injury talk non-sense behind him and proved his health on the field, thats why the Colts felt comfortable extending his contract. Nice try.

He played in 4 games

T "N" T 🧨bout to explode!

@@deandreray3500so what man, so many QBs get hurt. Joe burrow missed majority of his rookie year so did Deshaun Watson. They were good after. It’s not that big a deal he had a freak labrum year

Taylor was definitely a problem in the play-in game last year. Upgrades at DE and LB to help with that in 24.

How is he not

What were you watching? lol if you were enamored how he destroyed the Falcons you should temper your expectations. I’m a Falcons fan. Trust me when I say this every team or players best highlights are on the Falcons or Hawks….we have that type of bad luck

He’s like 50000999 times better than Levi’s

In every way? He's not a douche. He has better wheels by far. He works his butt off. He has a better arm...

AR isn't better than Levis. AR played 4 games and didn't finish 3. Had more touchdowns rushing than passing. Has a tendency to take off running more than staying in the pocket which got him hurt for the season last season.

That was like 4-5 years ago man

In the end, time catches everyone.

I think Boyd is a bigger addition to Tennessee than Diggs is to Houston. I think Diggs is washed up and thats why Buffalo was willing to let him go.

@@nateriley4067 They let a lot of people go. They're dumping salaries and rebuilding the next wave around Josh Allen. Diggs is still Diggs. Maybe not for much longer but it's a one-year contract. Things is, Houston has a lot of options outside of Diggs even if he flops. I don't think that happens.

@@ericparker163 Do you think Diggs will be the #1 in Houston next season or will it still be Nico? I would say they’ll split #1 duties or it’ll be Nico, but I’m not sure if Diggs’ ego will allow that. I agree Houston definitely has enough weapons even if Diggs only catches 75 balls next season, but I don’t know if he’ll be a disruptive influence on the team if that happens. As a Colts fan, I hope he’s a damn wrecking ball on the team’s chemistry! Go HORSE!!!

Hard to argue with that.

@@carrite That’s bullshit that Carolina has 5.5 skill position points. It should be closer to 2.5 to 3 points. Did anyone watch them last year? I know it was brutal! So they overpaid for a fat guard from Miami, drafted a slow receiver from South Carolina, drafted a RB with a torn ACL, and have an old-ass WR, but they’re still stuck with a lousy QB that can’t see over his lineman How does that equal 5.5 points?

Maybe they know something you don’t. They’ve experienced the most powerful mullet in the NFL and they expect Goldenboy Minshew to be next season’s starter!

Dean, I hate to keep harping on your mastery of the English language, but that second sentence had me so confused I didn’t know whether I was coming or going. Now, about that first sentence. It’s 2024, why you bringing up what Florio said about the Coach of the Year award three years ago? Florio’s comments must have left some impression on you! What are you, Zach Taylor’s mom? Get OVER IT and move on with your life, or better yet, learn that pesky English. With love, your favorite Colts fan.

This has to be the my favorite comment of the day! Where do I begin with this Tomfoolery? With this level of delusion, how do you make it through the day? Are you only allowed to eat with a spork? Carolina, of all teams, going all in? I think I just peed myself. Old-man Thielen- sure he had a great season last year, because they had absolutely no one else to throw to. But he won’t sneak up on anybody this season. If my team were playing the Panthers, I’d double-team Thielen (I can’t believe I just said that out loud), and make someone else beat me. Diontae Johnson- has potential but always underwhelmed in Pittsburgh. They gave him plenty of opportunities, even when he had a decent QB in Roethlisberger. Now he has a 5’9” ladyboy throwing him the ball. I won’t be holding my breath. Xavier Legette- has potential, slow, but wins contested catches. I won’t rip him too bad. Wait and see. Jonathon Brooks; however, has a torn ACL. Last time I checked, that’s not helpful for running backs. I know he won’t be ready for the start of the season, when will he be ready, week #8? Realistically, this season should be about making sure the knee is stable once he gets healthy and getting accustomed to the NFL and then hit next season running hard. I do think he’s a good to great runner once he’s back to 100%. "Guess we’ll see if Bryce is legit” - I’ll save you some time, he’s not. You guys should have drafted Stroud. But don’t worry, you’ll have the #1 overall draft pick again soon. My best friend is a Panthers fan, so I love giving him shit talk. Hope you know I’m just messing around with ya, honestly, I hope you guys turn things around. Tepper isn’t my favorite owner, I think he fires guys too quickly and doesn’t give coaches or GMs a fair shot. He thinks he can just buy a winner but the NFL doesn’t work like that. Best of luck this season!

Downs is phenomenal da hell you on about???

AD Mitchell is gonna be a beast. Had no business falling as far as he did in the draft and as a Texans fan, I hate that we're gonna have to face him twice a year.

Nathan, you’re football knowledge and command of the English language are both above reproach, “Downs haven’t are much from him Either”. Well said. Downs caught like 68 passes as a rookie from a back-up QB, and was great after the catch. The Colts’ weapons are really rounding into shape with him, AD, Pitt and once we get Jelani back into the fold. I think Pierce goes to the bench and only comes in to give guys breathers, as he was only catching 1-2 passes per game. Granson is just 1 of about 3 or 4 package TE that we run specific plays for, but Jelani should be our starter as long as he’s healthy. Go Horse! (Sorry for being a Dick, Nathan, but I thought it was worth a laugh.)

Damn straight. The fact that the small markets can compete and win against the Cowboys and NY Giants of the NFL world are what makes football great and baseball/ NBA suck. Some MLB teams start the season and know they don’t have a chance because they have 1/10th the payroll as the large-market teams. Free agency and the salary cap ensures that the dominant teams can only afford to stay great for a couple of seasons, before everyone wants to get paid and leave elsewhere.

Jelani sucks lol. Worst TE room in the NFL

Jelanie is slower than people that are crippled stop the guy is a practice squad player at best

​@@Getitstraightyocasual

@@FoRmalMagic homer

😂 he’s better than bell ever was you comparing a Ferrari to a ford bro

@@marshcrew no doubt he’s good but in my opinion his best years are behind him.

@@treyphipps9831 he’s 25 played half the season had nearly 750 yards and scored 188 yards against the Texans 😂 he’s only just started

@@marshcrew That was his only game over 100 yards…I’m open to being wrong, I will eat my crow if it comes to it. Again he is a good running back arguably top 5 but I don’t think we will ever see 2021 version again. 🤷‍♂️

@@treyphipps9831 nope you are correct but that qb is going to be special I’m saying it now that will be so deadly that 1-2 punch

Forgive me, I don’t watch that many Titans games (two a season), but has Burks ever done anything?

Cause they starting minshew 😂

He was the second best rookie QB last season.

He won’t be starting

Regarding what?

he knows the business side well, which is his area of expertise, but he doesn't really know ball

His bank account suggests otherwise.

I am a Houston fan and I have to admit that Colts have a really good coaching staff

You can't say probably.....you can say arguably. You could argue over who's better between Steichen and DeMeco and let it get settled on the field. They're both quality coaches who have played key roles in helping get a different team to the Superbowl.

To be fair, I really like the Texan’s head coach, but I think in today’s NFL you need an offensive head coach to keep up with the rest of the league. Ryans is great though, he really turned the Texans around in one season. And we’ll have to see what Tennessee has in their new head coach, but Callahan has big shoes to fill. For all the Jags fans, Doug Peterson is a guy, that’s really about all I have to say about him. But I must agree, Steichen is the best. We haven’t seen the best out of him yet, as Steichen was limited in his playcalling with only Minshew under center last year. But this year, the gloves come off as The Prototype is UNLEASHED upon the NFL!!! I sincerely think Steichen’s aggressive playcalling won us a couple of games last year and we also went for it on 4th and short most of the time. It’s no wonder the Colts and the Texans are the class of the AFC South as they are led by the division’s two best head coaches.

Lmao yeah you didn’t watch any games or know anything about Colt football. That o line was banged up beginning of the season. Don’t ever talk football again.

⁠​⁠@@dantelabella9753Houston’s online was just as banged up if not worse than the Colts. Stroud still played really solid football. I don’t see the hype with AR but we’ll see if he can be healthy this year

😂 he’s not even guaranteed to be the starter

​@iputsnworkiputsnwork1500 which is crazy since he had better stats then all those mentioned except CJ 😅

Sarcasm, right?

Not worth discussing

​@Getitstraightyo yeah he had better stats then AR5, levis, and young but let's not mention him

Facts will Levis gone be a top 10 qb this year im calling it now

😂😂😂 Levi’s top 10? Can I have some of what y’all smoking.

Lol Colts are better than the Titans

@@DJC327no there not

Yeah that's why we beat yall both times last year with backup Qb RB and CBs lol Levi's really trash not sure what the hype is

@@Cen_TexLegend they're*

@@Getitstraightyo thanks I didn’t know this was a grammar class

That’s because the analysts’ have watched Bryce Young play in the NFL. The way last year went for Bryce and Stroud, Young will go down with JaMarcus Russell as one of the worst picks in NFL history.

@@nateriley4067 would you admit you were wrong if he has a great year ?

Also idk what this crazy high ceiling Richardson has that Levis doesn’t. Richardson is an athletic freak but other than that I’ve never understood why some players have low bar ceilings. Will Levis, Bryce Young, or any of these guys could be a future HOFers, there’s literally nothing you can possibly know or concretely say to prove a player has a low ceiling.

I agree he’s not the best overall TE but he definitely had the best hands of any colts TE last year so I understand why they put him on the list as a weapon.

He can't stay healthy. He couldn't in college and after a few games in NFL he got hurt

I had him last year for fantasy. Late draft pick bc my group thought I was crazy for a 2 QB format. AR was balling!

No he won’t he gone be injured by week 8 but waste your money

Did the Titans get relegated to the Pee-Wee division again? If so, they have a damn good chance! Just kidding, I think it’ll be between the Colts and Texans this season, but you guys could surprise- depends on Levis growth. You guys get a secondary yet?

Bro you are the biggest hater I see you replying to every comment go outside

@@ivermectinpatient5325 Yeah, I stayed up one night talking smack, and all of the sudden it was 6:45 AM and time to get up for work. Boy, did I feel awful the next day. Believe me, I learned my lesson. But I only hated on the comments that were begging for them. I hope the ivermectin meds are treating you well. Trump ‘24!!!

Only if you are counting this as Richardson’s rookie season (he only started and completed one game last season). Otherwise, let’s wait until the games are actually played until we crown his ass and all bow down. Your comment basically read, “CJ Stroud is the best QB and the best person and all the puppies just love him. THE END”. I know a person that doesn’t love CJ, and his last name begins with “LA” and ends in “TU” and he owns a particular set of skills that make him a nightmare for QBs like Stroud! I hope they get together like 3 to-4 times on opening day. Lucas Oil is going to be ROCKIN’!!!

Colts tight ends suck

@@123shoshanNah mate they all play a role in the offensive scheme. Granson, Ogletree, Woods, and Alie-Cox, and Mallory are all really solid Y options for Richardson