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Im sick of you bozoz trying to make Adam Thielen like a joke. He was one of the most productive receivers in the game. He only looked average because he practically had no chemistry with Bryce and no help.
Honestly a pretty standard rookie season and better than some rookie season by some of the great QB’s It was just over shadowed by the insane rise of CJ Stroud
@@jag360.I'm a Bama fan and I had Stroud/Bryce as the best QBs of the 2023 draft about tied in talent. They played about equal vs UGA in 2021/22 with both having 4 TDs but Bryce having a 98.1 QBR vs Stroud with a 94.1 QBR, when both had their WRs. I won money on OSU covering vs UGA, and Bama covering/winning the 1st UGA/SEC championship. I use UGA so much in my example because it was obviously the college defense with the most NFL players, especially 1st RD ones.
tysm for shedding a positive light on bryce young, it's nice to not hear someone absolutely rip into the guy. this has been the problem lately with qb prospects, people keep trying to write people off after a single year and it's ridiculous to do that for any position
@@jmgonzales7701 Height problem is a thing but arm/touch/anticipation/pocket presence is one thing Bryce has over other QB prospects who have 4~5 inches over him but can't throw for shit in the middle of the field. And find ways to run into pressure while still in the pocket.
Again, a brilliant concise, eye-opening analysis of a player whose hype then dismal 1st year was a mistery to me. Thanks a lot for helping me understand better Young's value, and the amount of work -and trial- ahead of him.
Too many batted balls is a lie. Look at the stats. Dude was 20th in the NFL in passing yards as a rookie with a garbage supporting cast. He will be fine.
@@SickSportsTv It doesn't, but he had 6. He had one less than Josh Allen who is 6' 5" tall. It's one of the best numbers in the league. Very few, like 2-3 starting QBs, threw fewer batted passes than Bryce Young did.
@@Zoomist45 as a Bryce Young truther, I think it's the latter. I think it's in the range of LIKELY outcomes that he's gonna make the leap be the x factor that helps us finish closer to 0.500 record than most people think. We are once again an extremely young team at the skill positions. I don't think that ends up hitting like the Texans last year -- that was crazy. But I think that the synergy between coach, team, and skillsets clicks. Canales is that dude and helps Bryce become the best player that he can be.
Facts thanks for showing young some love the lack of weapons, terrible protection, and terrible play calling is what created last season. We’re letting the league sleep on us in Carolina because we’re gonna show em something real in 24 keep pounding baby.
Other then u saying u still concerned about his size and batted balls great video! He proved to be more durable then people said and the batted ball statement is not accurate
Sam Darnold made more impressive throws as a rookie. I'm not saying BY is dead in the water but all these NFL guys can flash for a drive or two. Even the busts.
@@OCSP33DY you're already on youtube. Go watch Sam Darnold rookie highlights video. Sam had some really impressive highlights on an equally awful offense.
Excellent video, TF. Love it, love it, love it. Those flashes, that talent, the strength, it's all still there. I had concerns that maybe my Panthers broke him, but you have assuaged me. The future is now for Bryce and Dave. May they become a QB/Coach Duo of legend.
Dave Canales revived Baker Mayfield and Geno Smith in his time working with them. He’s already preaching footwork and fixing the mechanics Bryce lacked last year and honestly he should have a huge leap year 2. The Panthers should be on every teams radar this year.
@@ZionsDenn Mayfield had Mike Evans (da gawd), 80% of Godwin and decent receiver depth to keep Baker focused on the quick game. Geno Smith had Lockett/Metcalf and some TE receiver depth to make a pass game consisted of short stuff and long bombs. Also helped the Bucs O-line when healthy is rock solid with good book end tackles and the Seahawks have a well called explosive run game for balance. Canales can only do so much for Bryce when his receiver group is nowhere the level of what the Bucs and the Seahawks provided.
@@t4d0W don’t underestimate the panthers rebuild fam. We might just sweep the division. I’m only confident saying that cause both games vs the Bucs were close because of our defense which got better. Then we got the Bucs OC who knows that team so we’ll be going after those weaknesses. The Canales and Eviro Combo is gonna be hell for the NFC South.
Dawg I’m sorry but his size is not a concern at all and that’s why they went out there and got Dave canales to help Bryce and fix his footwork get into his drop faster get the ball out faster but I respect what your saying I think Bryce is gonna be perfectly fine imo
BY may very well turn it around and be a decent QB, but if it was possible to snap his fingers and grow to 6'3+, BY would do it in a heartbeat. Why do you think that is? Height equals better physical vision. Brees, at a taller height, didn't stand on his toes and crane his neck every snap for the fun of it.
Bryce was NEVER the problem. The receivers. The o line. The d line. The rb. The entire team. These were the problems, its way too early to be calling him a bust
@KCC46 if you know anything about football in general, you would realize the fact that the dude came out of college with a height of 5'10, the stress of being a heisman winner and others having high expectations for him, and being new to the league and being put on a terrible team. Not to mention that his o-line was playing terribly and the team went through 2 offensive coordinators through his rookie season. The reason he was the #1 pick, or suggested #2 pick was how well he did in college. You can blame David temper because he's the one who chose bryce as the panthers franchise qb. There are so many other factors blaming the team entirely (except bryce) and there are plenty of reasons that prove bryce was not the problem, it's to early to say he is a bust. So don't go around and telling other ppl that bryce is a bust and he's a trash player. No reason to trash someone because your mad at the fact that your team did just as bad as the panthers. You must be.....a Commanders fan💀💀
@@KINGLEGION. Lot of words that say nothing. Bryce sucked too, full stop, and no need to be an apologist. Deal with it, especially if being 5'10" is an excuse, because that is not going to change.
@@KINGLEGION. Based on last year's overall performance and not 7 plays randomly picked for a video - footwork, weak arm/inaccurate downfield throws, small stature, late trigger, holding the ball too long... 5. We'll see what happens this season but again, he sucked last year, full stop. And again, more excuses. That's weak.
What are your thotughs on the Dave Canales hire? The general around him is hes a very good pass game coordinator and helped revive geno (qb coach) and baker (OC) i wanted to get some insight on his creativity/designs
I get his size concerns will always be there since its just physics with these collisions, but batted balls were not even remotely a problem. Thats just cap from someone running out of steam trying to finish their video. Id do that too if i had to watch those panthers snaps again
Solid analysis. It's refreshing to watch someone look at a player from an even standpoint, as opposed to making rash judgements and thinking that they are cooking after 4 snaps.
@@jmgonzales7701 He's a tiny guy, for sure, but he has avoided injuries. Even at Alabama, he missed 2 games, I believe, and that was due to falling awkwardly on his arm. They put some good guys at the guard and center positions. He doesn't have to be enormous if the new line means he isn't touched.
@@justinwilliams1127 there will alwayz be injuries. They shouldnt have trusted a midget qb, he can avoid all the hits until he gets hit one time and its over.height mattes snd id weight
I always felt like as long as he was healthy he would be fine. I'm not a fan or a hater just really neutral. Give him some weapons and a line and Carolina may have something. Just hoping everybody's wrong on my team's QB 😅
The “lowers his eyes” knock is extremely nitpicky. He was so good in college at keeping his eyes down field while improvising and it paid off numerous times. He also had 7 batted passes last year, Lawrence had twice as much, Stroud had the same amount on 60 less drop backs, Herbert had 7, Love had 8 and AR had 4 on 522 fewer drop backs and I could go on and on and on. He took 62 sacks and only missed 1 game, Stroud took 38 and missed 2 games. Young played behind one of the worst offensive lines in the league and still hung in there and only missed 1 game. If anything that should be praised and his ability to complete the play and not shy away from hits is important in the NFL
Bryce did not play well last season, but at the same time, his receiving corps was terrible and his offensive line was even worse. Not to mention the awful coaching staff. Now, there’s a much better coaching staff, and there are improvements everywhere you look on offense. If Bryce doesn’t play well with this, then he’ll be a big time bust. However, I think he will succeed big time. I was there when he torched one of the greatest defenses in college football history. I have no doubt that he has that kind of potential at the next level.
@@ThinkingFootball I watched it, and I agree with a lot of your points. He wasn’t awful. I didn’t mean for it to come off like that. I think he’s got OODLES of potential.
@@ThinkingFootballNo, he was definitely awful overall, just like the rest of the team. Cherry-picking a few plays that any NFL QB can make (or they wouldn't be in the NFL) once or twice does not mitigate that. That said, it was one year. I am highly skeptical that he will ever be more than Teddy Bridgewater-level in the NFL but everything was bad last year. The story will continue once they are playing actual football in the coming months.
Bryce Young had 6 batted passes. That's one of the best numbers in the league. It's literally top 5 for starting QBs. It's the same number as Mahomes. It's 1 fewer than Josh Allen who is 6' 5". How is that "too many batted balls"? Trevor Lawrence (6' 6") had 16. CJ Stroud had 9.
Finally someone who doesn’t want to crucify the man I mean my goodness I get he’s a no.1 pick but the amount of hate is crazy and I was against the pick at the time but he’s proven to me he’s got it, I saw him in person, training camp, pre season and regular season I like the leader we got now
There were almost no batted balls, actually. Footwork and holding the ball too long are definitely big issues, but he showed last year that size isn't.
@@ThinkingFootball Your right hes great but due to that hes like one of the better 1bs in the league also the problem was WR separation and diontae is only 27 and one of the best route runners in the leagues hes so similar to calvin ridley acctually great vid tho bryce will bounce back
Fair point about the hands. But I also think his critics overrate that aspect a little. He'll give you a few drops every year, that's just who he is. But he'll also give you a thousand yard season every year when your OC isn't Matt Canada and your offense isn't allergic to stretching the field, lol. Go back and watch his tape and look at his stats when Roethlisberger was throwing to him. Tape don't lie.
He will be in a very QB friendly offense under Canales... Baker was protected by a QB friendly scheme and also having Mike Evans... This year will tell all about Baker vs Canales, Bucs are loaded so no one to blame. Canales weirdly enough got a lot of blame from Baker fans because Bucs couldn't score over 21 points but a few games vs depleted defenses.
Man their route concepts…the personnel is already not great and then the concepts were atrocious. Canales can’t possibly draw up anything worse this year, think it’ll improve
All stops and straight crossers. I'm not very well versed in offensive scheme, but even I could tell that Frank Reich's "QB-helper" offense wasn't doing the receivers or quarterback any favors 😂
Very good video! Also your voice is epic and could narrate NfL films too - I hope BY is successful but my fake nfl draft expertise believed the Panthers wouldn’t be successful with him due to poor ownership -
Yeah because Patrick Mahomes #1 weapon from scrimmage was, drum roll, a 7th round RB. Great QBs elevate talent. Good QBs get elevated by surrounding talent. Bad QBs sink talent.
@@byufan No I didn't. Kelce is still a good player but he is not the beast he once was. He didn't get 1000 yards and only had 5 TDs. Pacheco lead the team with 1100+ yards and 9TDs. He was their most productive weapon.
For a college oline it was pretty solid. Def not up to usual bama standards which is what made bryce's success that much more impressive, and part of why he was the highest regarded bama qb ever coming into a draft.
@@VileGeed yeah I get that but record is the last thing I look at when I try to analyze BY year or any rookie really. I get the team sucked. Mike Tomlin paired with Joe Burrow would have struggled to get more than 9 wins with that team.
@@VileGeed Because Peyton wasn't at that GOAT level yet and his supporting cast wasn't good enough where he understands how to dissect a defense pre-snap and calling a buckton of audibles. In a pure pocket QB performance level, he was pretty solid if you look at INTs as a bad stat with noise that isn't related purely on the QB. Whereas sacks as a negative stat (absolute drive killer) is definitely more on the QB yet Peyton as a rookie only took 22.
@@t4d0W I agree with you. I just thought it would be worthwhile pointing out that most successful QB’s just don’t hit the ground running. Stroud is the anomaly and not Bryce
Panthers fan here and it wasnt better than you think it was just flat out awful not much to take away from it. Everytime he had a bright moment he took 2 steps back the next week. Houston and Green bay were his best games and the game after houston he threw 2 pick 6's against indy and debatably his worst game of the season. Green bay was probably his best game but then the next week we got shut out he looked terrible against jacksonville we lost 26-0 he had 112 yards and an interception and looked like he had never played football before so basically nothing to take away from his good games bc he didnt build on them he went backwards after every decent moment he had. I didnt expect him to throw 5k yards and 30 tds but i didnt think he would have more turnovers than scores and showed nothing that proves hes going to be a good quarterback. I hope he does he is the guy i wanted us to draft i even bought his jersey last offseason but he has a long way to go. If he resembles any of what he did last year this season he wont be starting for us year 3. If we have a top 5 pick the next year we are taking a quarterback.
How does Bryce get the opportunity to have more scores when the Panthers defense was injured and not up to par which then led the offense on a passing script? Not to mention the coaching staff on offense an the roster talents on offense was ass. Bryce would end up getting 3rd and long situations because the run game was also ass (for overpaying Miles Sanders). You are literally asking a small QB whose not an athletic runner to make miracles and to move the ball in the air with receivers who can't separate. That is not how you beat man coverage where I bet most defenses were happy to sit against Bryce in those passing downs.
You can tell how strong a qb's arm is by how well they can throw an out route, it has to get to the receiver with velocity or there is a good chance the db will jump on it
How do we know that the good passes you've highlighted here are more representative than his bad throws? Feels like you're giving him grace you wouldn't give others. I guess we will find out
I'm not saying they did or did not do this but a lot of breakdowns, video or article, of players that are after the rookie season are still based on pre draft analysis. Whatever side of the fence you were on pre draft, you're probably staying on that side until it's abundantly obvious you were wrong. You're going to hone in on the things that line up with what you thought would make him good or bad. Which is honestly how it should be. If you were high or low on a prospect, 18 weeks isn't enough time to make a final conclusion.
Alright. I actually watch this video, and I will admit he looks decent. He’s gonna have to give me atleast 2 good season before I give him any credit. This dudes mad small. If this dude was on the Texas last yr I doubt he would have had a good season.
It was what it was. A rookie season. Wasnt terrible, but not the best start for your NFL career. I hate Bryce Young but Panthers made some great moves this off season they will be a better team going forward hopefully before any type of injury
I think it’s possible with a lot of work and with the right pieces around him that he can be OK. But you don’t trade the farm to move up to number one to take “OK” when CJ Stroud was sitting there.
"Big boy arm"... nah. These "big boy throws" are NFL table stakes that any QB in the league can hit. The best just hit them much more often. Bryce's arm strength is below average compared to NFL QBs. It is what it is.
You’re 100% correct. You can pull a few minutes of game manager type highlights for any NFL quarterback and make them look better than they really are. The tools are important in the NFL, hence why Anthony Richardson was taken so high. Bryce just doesn’t have them
He's overcompensating for his height by dropping back farther than normal to see over the middle which sets his Tackles up for failure. He needs to get on that Drew Brees no nonsense footwork, but then again maybe that is the reason we haven't seen another Drew
Everybody keeps gaslighting me into thinking bryce was good when he was historically bad in every metric. Yeah he showed flashes, but consistency is the name of the game. I just don't see it with this guy and never have but who knows I could be eating crow come next year
Sure there are some people who are small who can get by, but the problem with him is that he doesn't play like he's small. Brees made up for it by throwing more downfield and dropping back further and Sean Peyton knew how to work around it. Russell Wilson did it with a running threat and he was a lethal out of pocket thrower. Bryce just looks like he wants to stand there and shift around like Tom Brady. That poor guy got flattened over and over again. I think it's gonna be hard for him to be productive and he'll end up being a decent backup somewhere.
Anyone can create a highlight reel for a qb that played almost all season. But watching the whole season, most of the season he looked overwhelmed and gun-shy. He's just too undersized and not enough velocity in his deep passing.
If you didn't watch the season or multiple games a lot wasn't his fault he literally had the most interior pressures in the league and wrs couldn't separate when you get hit a lot and running for your life you kinda look overwhelmed
@@johnlara9400 Yeah, he holds onto the ball too long, hardly ever makes throws on timing routes. Not letting the line off the hook, but he has no confidence in throwing. He's partly to blame for the pressure. He just doesn't have the physical attributes to be successful in the NFL
Plenty of reasons: -Trey was overdrafted (49ers trading up didn’t help) and considered raw coming out. -Lance had two years in before he was dealt albeit injuries knocked him out. -Purdy outplayed him and probably highlighted the difference in development. -49ers were a win now team when they traded up opposed to the Panthers who were bad and gave up a bunch of draft resources to draft Young. Another year or two of failure the excuses won’t matter and the label will stick for Young.
@@capitolphoenix7531 -you can easily say Bryce was over drafted with this logic he was literally the #1 pick - he had one season in when he was backing up jimmy g then he got hurt in his second game - Purdy came into a much better team with Cmc and the defense playing at their best, if you want proof you can go look at Jimmy G’s stats when he had Cmc for just a short time and he was putting up great numbers - The Niners have been in “Win now mode” for 4 years and haven’t won once it doesn’t really say much So Bryce can get a year or two more of chances but yet Trey Lance has been written off after just 3 total games he played? Why is Trey held to the highest standards?
@@patek9789 Bryce was pretty much close to consensus leading to the draft. Lance was noted to be RAW. He may have had 3 starts but the 49ers decided to cut ties after having him for two years and trading up for him. That’s telling they rather move on then even develop him after all that sunk cost. They’ve been plenty of close, you think Lance gets them over the hump? lol I’m not sure how he gets another year or two. When Lance had a year more to prove himself as of now. And again that 49ers team Lance played on still light years better than what CAR trotted out last year coaching and team wise. I don’t have a horse in this race, but seems like you’re hitched to Lance.
@@capitolphoenix7531 Lance was a raw prospect but there’s been plenty of raw prospects and he was still projected to be a top 5-10 pick. Yeah the 49ers got rid of Lance because he was a distraction to Purdy and they wanted to protect Purdy. If you want proof you can go look up 49ers fan chanting “We want Trey” in the Broncos Pre season game when Purdy was playing. They really haven’t been close like people think and at the end of the day the reason the Niners have fell short is because of the Qb play and there is no disputing that. So you said Bryce can get a year more or two which would be year three or four for him but you have already written off Lance after a year or more to prove himself? It seems like you’re hitched to Bryce because you are willing to give him a year or two of chances but Lance you already have written off after a year.
@@patek9789 49ers also chanted that they wanted Carr at one point. They were in the Super Bowl last season, I highly doubt they get there with Trey Lance at the helm. What’s CAR going to do? Jettison a QB they traded up for with no proven replacement? That was saddled with a poor supporting cast? All the reasons why Lance was moved like I mentioned before? Lance was moved after two year with the team… why are you acting like it was one? Im not hitched to Young but you’re a hardcore Lance fan to be overlooking all these things.
Makes me sad how before the 23 season everyone was saying he had a bunch of amazing weapons and then following the season they said he had no help. Same thing is going to happen with Caleb Williams
who said the panthers had good weapons? they had aging thielen coming off worst year marshall n mingo were raw traits wr and chark is inconssitent Keenan allen is conssisneyely best route runne + hands always gets 100 rec and 1100 yards Dj moore has gotten 1200+ every year except 2022 and is young Rome is a better prospect and more polished than mingo/marshal Cole kmet is a proven commodity bearsfan here caleb arm strength + accuarcy + touch + pocket presence + leadership/intangibles is gonna be a light for us
@@rayyanmurtuza1405Now you're just lying. DJ Moore has gotten 1200 yards only ONCE. Allen can get 1000 yards IF he can play at least 14 games. Wtf is wrong with y'all 😂? Btw, you didn't have Rome last year so no need of putting him in the conversation.
@@rayyanmurtuza1405 definitely think on paper the bears did better to support Williams than the panthers did with young. CJ Stroud having a good rookie season last year does not change the fact that the norm for even the best rookie prospects is struggling year one. Bears are realistically a 7-8 win team
@@proudpennsylvaniaman7996 Eh, they parked him for mental reasons rather than physical, and even if he did have a bum ankle that can happen to anyone. Dude took a beating and always got back up. I am definitely a Bryce skeptic but this isn't the area to be questioning after last season.
Honestly, I watched a lot of Panthers games last season. Bryce's dropback is extremely slow and his throws rarely have any zip. He also doesn't even like throwing over the middle like a certain QB in Pittsburgh. Even Will Levis, as bad as a QB as he is, had more poise and good throws last season that I don't see Bryce ever doing.
Will Levis was statistically the least accurate QB in the league (67.1% passes on target) that’s 3% worse than next closest. Bryce threw the highest percentage of bad throws with CJ a close second. Will Levis threw the most bad passes out of any QB to play 9 or fewer games. Think Bryce played better overall by a good bit compared to Levis.
I don’t understand. It seems like you cherry picked 5 positive plays and then extrapolated your conclusion based on that. Look, I pray Bryce rebounds next season. This is the NFL, and we weren’t even the worst team in the league when we got him. When the Reich staff was assembled, a larger contingency of fans and insiders were singing their praises. The Panthers were widely viewed as the best situation for a rookie QB. But wait. Turns out that coaching staff sucked and the entire offense sucked too. Did it? Bryce was historically bad in certain advanced metrics that indicate he’s not only a bust, but in the conversation for biggest bust ever. This is the nfl, and it amazes me that a group of professionals had a toss up and decided to got with a 5’ 8” QB. His ball mechanics, footwork, arm strength, and deep ball are riddled with problems.
I know this video is a novelty take, but he is just too small & weak. It isn't really that incredible or impressive that the #1 pick completed roughly 15 above average passes in a season.
Here’s the thing. 80% chance this guy is trolling, in which case just ignore it. 20% chance her really thinks this. In which case, laugh at him and then ignore him.
@@ThinkingFootball I've watched the games. He will in all probability go down as one of the greatest draft busts in NFL history, considering his draft position AND what the Panthers mortgaged to get him.
He gets so many excuses… he averaged 2.5 sec to throw which was 7th best in the NFL. He was historically bad.. 5th worst ALL TIME in yards per attempt.. great guy and tough as nails but not NFL talent… he wasn’t the only problem but he is definitely not the answer. I watched every play
