Graham Oppy on New Atheism | CURVE CLIPS 

Not sure if being a white western male has anything to do with it, I'm one as well. I think it's more about if one values facts and objective reality and.not perceived reality...

@@blindwatchmaker2345 How can a privileged person who is entirely untouched by Islamic laws make any judgment on the criticism thereof?! Calling out the physical punishment of women for the crime of 'causing' mere suspicion of 'arrogance' is NOT Islamophobic. I, as a female who was abused and who was quoted the verse in question, am not phobic but a victim.

Unfortunately you are a victim of extremism! Not every single Muslim woman would agree with you on these points that you have mentioned here, just saying!

Hope u are ok sister

@@berserk189 Thank you. I'm okay. I was lucky to have been able to leave. Many women don't have the luck or self-efficacy. They stay with their abusers for a lifetime. They believe they need to have 'sabr' (patience). This incentive to be rewarded in the afterlife and the fear of being punished for getting an unislamic (haram) divorce makes them stay.

What do you think makes religion worse than better for people? Cheers

@@AheadOfTheCurveVideos I suppose it is the general effect religion has had on history, as well as how a lot of people act irrationally because of it (not all religious people are like that, but there are a bunch of them that are like that). Now, when I say this, I do not mean that religion has no benefits (comfort, a sense of community, etc), but the irrationality, division and evil religion causes is sometimes almost frightening.

Hate ships with descriptions of groups of people as nefarious, scheming, antagonistic, "militant" because the easiest way to create hate is to inculcate to people they are threatened. Stigmatization and violence follow naturally. Like the term "gay agenda" used by Christian fundamentalists, its use is an unmistakable signal of homophobia. Similarly, calling Islam "inherently militant" is a, if not the, signal of Islamophobia. To somebody afflicted with irrational hatred, it seems perfectly responsible and rational and undeserving of a word with a connotation. "Dares criticise Islam" as in the cost of criticism against Islam is prohibitive: who actually believes that funny pathetic nonsense and infantile pretend? You have sitting leaders in Europe who have been elected on an anti-Muslim ticket, fake Islamophobic think tanks that pay the bills for talentless pricks even give seminars to law enforcement agencies, a heavily monetized RU-vid subculture targeting Muslims. The level of dehumanization is at the level of Kangura during the Rwandan genocide. The reason people don't see it because they're too stupid to understand they have been fooled by an extreme minority. And you are stupid.

I don’t think scientism is even a bad thing. It’s our best and most reliable resource to investigate facts of our experience. That word is such a disparaging term.

@@fanwee5048 It's a terrible thing that tries to mask anti-intellecualism as reasonable discourse. It's also ironically going against the spirit of science.

Yeah I know I completely disagree, really I think what you’re referring to is more of the fundamentalists right, there are many theistic evolutionists, and I disagree.

I see my neo atheist friends attacking religion more than my Muslim friends talk about food

@@prsimoibn2710so what?

Cheers MJ!

Yeah, looking back, when I used to think Dawkins and Co were big-brain intellectuals or something, I definitely cringe.

Very valid and I completely agree. If you look back at old atheist videos, they didn't really age well, not only on an intellectual level, but also even some jokes or assumptions would be seen as prejudiced if they were uploaded today (not that it wasn't back then, but the online space back then would pass on presumptuous prejudice)

"caused panic": yes, and it was a very justified reaction. A lot of people wasnt aware of the true face of Islam.

Thanks for watching!

New atheists are honest but not open minded, they are grounded in reality but not in its depth, they like truth-seeking but never find it.

Really? So how would you describe people like Sam Harris on issues like race, trans rights and immigration? Heck, even Hitchens defended stuff like the Iraq war. Reactionary politics is EXACTLY the category these people fit in.

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And can we say also the same thing about antisemitism or you are just a bigot intent on using double standards for Islam

I agree. The term is used against me (ex-Muslim) when I say my ex hit me, quoting 4:34. When I write I'm an ex-Muslim I get death threats. I once even got a threat by an Isis member (in 2015). The police investigated into this... I believe my ex spent his time in Anatolia and made some 'friends' at the border. He still lives in the Western country I had to flee as I was continuously stalked...Then again, in the next country he found me 7 months later and assaulted me when I was leaving my apartment. I had to move again. Was he ever punished? Naaaah...why? Islamophobia.

@@seekthetruthfindit6879 assuming you are saying the truth that is actually horrible, i am sorry for the bad experiences you went through and me as a Muslim cannot deny that ignorance upon the Muslim ummah have spread like wild fire just like the prophet Muhammad pbuh said would happen, misquoting verses, taking advantages of the word of god and twisting it to suit someone's ideology and thoughts is everything that's going on now in thr Muslim ummah but the term islamophobe is something that does exist, i would say that people mistakenly overused it when it comes to ex Muslims complaining of something but yea it's still something that exist as a phenomenal, i don't know what made you leave Islam sister but i hope you didn't do it because if bad personal experiences with people or due to whatever you heard some unqualified say about what islam is about and what it teaches, i myself was neglecting the knowledge and once i saw the points athiests make the doubts that i had were undescribable but thanks to Allah i managed to stay intellectually honest and go back to study my religion well and i came to the certain conclusion now that islam is the objective truth and i am seeing through the fallacious arguments these athiests keep making over and over now , may Allah guide you my sister to the true path again

@@myinstgiscarbenuim1693 Thank you again for telling me that I was not intellectually honest and that my experience if violence has nothing to do with the Qur'an, ahadith, and the sharia. I would not expect anything less from someone who rather faults humans than scripture that had verses like this in them: Righteous women are qanitat, guarding the unseen according to what God has guarded. Those whose disobedience you fear, admonish them, and abandon them in bed and strike them. If they obey you, do not pursue a strategy against them. Of course, you brought no scriptural evidence, but some made-up anecdote. I am not interested in your dawah.

Not atheists in general, more specifically new atheists and anti-theists, I think ultimately the new atheist movement is intellectually dishonest, no I’m not saying that every single new atheist is intellectually dishonest but the movement in general, oh come on buddy they are not just trying to argue and critique Christianity, A lot of it is just pure ridicule and poisoning the well. It’s both a lot of them are attacks.

Saying attack plays into the Christian persecution complex, while also being an attempt to discredit any opposing ideas, it's not criticism, questioning or challenging their claims, it's an attack. It's dishonest wording designed to separate those in the religion from those outside the religion, everyone outside the religion is aggressive and hates you, as evident by the fact that they dare to not just take your claims and instead pose questions in response. Not to mention it's an "attack" whenever anyone treats christianity the same as every other religion and actually imposes the separation of church and state (an important principle of democracy). Weird how it's never an attack when they do things, like impose their religious views on everyone else or break the separation of church and state or challenge things like education (like the teaching of evolution, the big bang, sex education, that gay and trans people exist, etc), threaten peoples rights, deny services to entire groups of people, etc.

@@pleaseenteraname1103 Is it? I'm not entirely sure that is true, some of the people labelled new atheists such as Hitch brought up some good points.

@@irish_deconstruction I agree I do you like much of Christopher Hitchens work other than the stuff that’s just total ridicule of Christianity and Islam.

@@pleaseenteraname1103 Yeah, some of what he said was pure sophistry sometimes.

Yeah anti-theism in a nutshell, there have been several studies through really the past 1500 years that actually prove that a lot of positives and benefits come from Christianity but OK.

That’s what all surface knowledge atheists say!lol!

That's what 17 year old neo atheists say.

@@nasrinsultana8276 necessarily wrong, but exaggerated

you're evolve and see that religions are important but not necessary,we can evolve psychologically to a world without them

It is as real as anti Semitism, you ISLAMOPHOBE.

Then how did you type it

Thanks for watching Eric!

Definitely.