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Richard Dawkins Refutes “Christian Science” 

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I shall be spending the whole of September, and the first week of October, in North America, speaking in ten different cities from Dallas to Vancouver. I am 83 years old, and travel is more irksome than it was. The maxim, “Quit while you’re ahead” has recently received a welcome boost, and I anticipate that this will be my last American tour. My swansong. My final bow.
There’ll be a Q & A at every event. This will probably be your last opportunity to tell me how profoundly you disagree with everything I’ve written and said. Or the reverse if that is the case. Either way, I look forward to seeing you.
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In this episode, Richard Dawkins talks to Adrian Hawkes about science, education, Christianity, and more.
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@PaulSkuta
@PaulSkuta День назад
All the aggression thinly disguised as grinning and laughing, diverting his squinted eyes up or down as his mind struggles to contort an answer to a straightforward question while Prof. Dawkins remains open-faced, eyes directed at the object of his inquiry. You can almost see the defensive force field this man emits around himself. These are his only weapons to combat facts and reality. How terrified he would be without their protection. How tiresome small minds can be.
@petersinclair3997
@petersinclair3997 17 часов назад
Paul, Dawkins most often debates Science vs Christianity. A much deduced debate model. Isn’t the existence or non existence of God the real debate? Here, shouldn’t the locos of ontology and epistemology regarding the existence or non existence of A god or gods sit on a higher philosophical plane than the religions? I am an atheist, yet, I would like to see Dawkins (and other scientists) debate a deity. Pls see my separate post. Thanks.
@vernondias7342
@vernondias7342 День назад
I don't know why Richard wastes his valuable time on 'Flatearthers' like that
@cs1983
@cs1983 День назад
I think he doesn't anymore. This was filmed for a TV program like 20 years ago.
@Adogsmate4267
@Adogsmate4267 День назад
For the good of humanity. No other reason. The truth to be told.
@Durzo1259
@Durzo1259 День назад
But the purpose is to show the audience arguments that they themselves may use, or have heard from their friends, and show them how those arguments crumble under scrutiny.
@emon2689
@emon2689 День назад
It's for the audience, not for the flatearther
@Durzo1259
@Durzo1259 День назад
@@emon2689 That's how I should have put it; much more concise.
@nellwhiteside3042
@nellwhiteside3042 День назад
Religion is a wonderful way of keeping common people quiet. - Napoleon
@stuartbarker9373
@stuartbarker9373 День назад
Sorry, but this is one of Richard's interviews that I can only tolerate for about 10 minutes. I've no idea how he has the self-control to spend so much time with idiots without shouting at them.
@shininio
@shininio День назад
I don’t have the patience Richard has with dimwits. I had to stop
@Masstoenergy
@Masstoenergy День назад
I think Richard is the most pleasant person on the planet right now.
@MrPeterschmit
@MrPeterschmit 16 часов назад
I couldn't agree more. And to think: He's an African ape. How wonderfully awesome is that,?
@peterhughes8699
@peterhughes8699 День назад
The term "Christian Science" is an oxymoron used by people who don't understand what science is
@tomgardner7496
@tomgardner7496 День назад
Dawkins is a better man then I, how can he stand there a suffer such a fool as Hawkes?
@geosmith3436
@geosmith3436 День назад
It’s sad that these religious people didn’t evolve properly.
@Durzo1259
@Durzo1259 День назад
The #1 argument I always here is "you can't objectively prove moral standards, so without God, there is no objective basis for a moral framework." Well if that's true, then God's law isn't objective either, it's authoritative. If you're acknowledging that morality *cannot* be objective, then God can't have objective reasons for it either, which makes his moral code an arbitrary whim enforced through power. If God does have objective reasons for his moral code, then you're acknowledging that there is a logical basis for morality, so what exactly puts such logic out of human reach?
@edtermini
@edtermini День назад
He’s clearly a real life David Brent
@monty3854
@monty3854 День назад
Perfect facial impressions 😂
@mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311
About 6 minutes in, Richard asks him about Noah's Ark - specifically "what's that got to do with a science lesson?" He immediately replies with - and I quote "well, I suppose that depends on your opinion....." I'm a bit surprised Richard didn't immediately pull him up on such a glaring error - that's ok precisely the point of science - it doesn't depend on your opinion - AT ALL. So really that belied he was on the defensive from the outset. I also found the charm offensive offputting -- the constant fake laugh got embarrassing. I don't know how Richard has the patience to deal with this shit tbh.....
@petersinclair3997
@petersinclair3997 День назад
True. On the other hand, anthropology and sociology better describe the “why” for existence of religions better than texts against the hard sciences. Science doesn’t disprove the existence of God, rather the claims of the religions. I am an atheist, yet feel we see the wrong parties to this other debates. Deism is an interesting construct and, elsewhere, I have quoted Newton on the topic.
@OptimisticHominid
@OptimisticHominid День назад
If I walked around talking to "Dave", someone I believe lives all around us, but no one can see him, and I tell people we must live by a document that I say Dave wrote, and that I felt compelled to force Dave's words into the minds of other peoples' children, people would think I was suffering from a mental illness. I would be put on medical leave, given medications, be required to attend therapy sessions, and likely lose my job; and rightly so.
@scatton61
@scatton61 День назад
Constant interruption is not only rude but a sign of being defensive. IMHO if you believe that Noah's Ark actually happened you show your true colours.
@davidpayne8413
@davidpayne8413 День назад
I find it very hard to believe his anecdotal story at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1227">20:27</a>.
@davidpayne8413
@davidpayne8413 День назад
@ <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1834">30:34</a> - Show me that English exercise, because I don't believe you! show me!
@petersinclair3997
@petersinclair3997 День назад
Did sound suspect.
@wayneharrison
@wayneharrison День назад
I don't think GOD is afraid of my questions? So talking to your self, is the pathway to GOD? Religion, One Oh One: Self delusion, is a necessary requirement. 🤦‍♂
@Durzo1259
@Durzo1259 День назад
You've just made the circular argument that it's absurd to say talking to God leads to God because God doesn't exist, therefor you're only talking to yourself, so how could that lead to God? This is a logical fallacy called "Begging the Question": when an argument's premises assume the truth of the conclusion.
@wayneharrison
@wayneharrison День назад
@Durzo1259 You missed the premise of my comment? Talking to an imaginary friend/God is akin to talking to oneself. Meaning, there is no evidence of a God. That's why it's called "faith," believing in something in the absence of evidence. Show me some tangible evidence, please.... apart from a book that says so. 🙄
@preferredpronoun3689
@preferredpronoun3689 День назад
@@wayneharrison Why is talking to yourself through an imaginary intermediate equated to no evidence of god? That sounds like all the personal evidence you need of your god.
@wayneharrison
@wayneharrison День назад
@@preferredpronoun3689 More like the end result of a childhood indoctrination, in being taught to believe in a specific type of personal God, while rejecting other different faith based God/Gods. This, in itself, does not mean that one's "chosen" personal God existence at all. I would think? 🤔
@preferredpronoun3689
@preferredpronoun3689 День назад
@@wayneharrison Doesn't have to be indoctrination as much as education of your parents religion/mythology although which tends to be exclusionary.
@OptimisticHominid
@OptimisticHominid День назад
I wouldn't want any of my children going to a school that is teaching such drivel.
@AeiSedai1976
@AeiSedai1976 День назад
I think this man is a total fraud. The example of a 14 yr old given such a stupid exercise in English punctuation is nonsense. Horrific that any social worker would led a foster child near him.
@PClanner
@PClanner День назад
Grief - I find his general outlook very frustrating - wanting to confuse the supernatural with the scientifically proven.
@petersinclair3997
@petersinclair3997 День назад
One religion’s beliefs in the supernatural with those matters, for now, scientifically confirmed.
@keith.anthony.infinity.h
@keith.anthony.infinity.h День назад
Dr. Richard Dawkins after watching so many times of religious people failingly attempting to use science and philosophy to defend their religious claims, it makes me question do religious people even actually care about philosophy and properly applying the scientific method or only using it’s knowledge and discoveries to support their belief systems?
@tonyduncan9852
@tonyduncan9852 День назад
He thinks he can put a belief and a fact into a box called TRUTH without thinking this to be at all dangerous. No wonder he doesn't want to teach Moral Philosophy. Quite pitiable.
@paulthomas281
@paulthomas281 День назад
@tonyduncan9852 That's a great point. They actually want to avoid the subject entirely.
@tonyduncan9852
@tonyduncan9852 День назад
@@paulthomas281 Yep There's fear there. A monster under the bed. Where's Mummy.
@MrDyldoBaggins
@MrDyldoBaggins День назад
Unfortunate that this episode is just airing a list of what this goofball finds "frustrating" when his make belief butts up against reality
@Metso-ateco
@Metso-ateco 2 дня назад
Wtf
@ChineduEnyindah
@ChineduEnyindah День назад
I suppose the case the man is making is; if there is no law giver (God), where does our morality come from?
@nellwhiteside3042
@nellwhiteside3042 День назад
Morality evolves with us and is modified culturally. People who believe in god are no more moral than those who don't.
@petersinclair3997
@petersinclair3997 День назад
@@nellwhiteside3042 Agree. If one is familiar with Laurence Kohlberg, Law and Order, rank merely mid-range on his morality scales.
@jasonantigua6825
@jasonantigua6825 День назад
It’s part of our evolution over time! Makes absolute sense really!
@davidpayne8413
@davidpayne8413 День назад
@ <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1601">26:41</a> - and Noah's ark is factual history?
@davidpayne8413
@davidpayne8413 День назад
@ <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1379">22:59</a> - Hitchens would say "Religion poisons everything"
@rexpayne7836
@rexpayne7836 День назад
He would turn this guy back to sucking his thumb. 🇦🇺😊 Great name.
@jasonantigua6825
@jasonantigua6825 День назад
Cricket?
@jasonantigua6825
@jasonantigua6825 День назад
Cricket?
@davidpayne8413
@davidpayne8413 День назад
Most and by no means all the Christians that I know are just nice people and I suspect they would be without Christianity. Women are by and large gentler and kinder than men, go to church and you will find more women there than men, that speaks volumes.
@genesises
@genesises 15 часов назад
they go for belonging and a social circle - not to analyze their beliefs. as for your comment on kindness, women statistically are more empathetic - and i'd argue more caring, but i'm not too sure about kinder. definitely more in tune with "appearing kind" - but in practice i don't know.
@황선주-h2d
@황선주-h2d День назад
I am a student attending a Korean high school. Can I have a written interview?
@genesises
@genesises 15 часов назад
maybe you can ask an AI to make you a transcript by providing it the link. i think you can also find transcripts in other ways.
@poksnee
@poksnee 2 дня назад
I did not like the format at all.
@karenseale9372
@karenseale9372 День назад
I loved seeing you in Austin. Thank you so much.
@marcsteenbergen3254
@marcsteenbergen3254 21 час назад
Cool i will be in Cambridge and Amsterdam.
@davidmatthewkelly
@davidmatthewkelly 2 дня назад
Dr Dawkins I respect your work immensely and think you're fundamentally correct. However, I find it so tedious that you promote your debates with boring religious thinkers. We know your position with respect to these thinkers. It would be so much more interesting if you engaged with the ideas of Jordan Peterson, or Jonathan Pageau, or John Vervaeke. No serious contemporary religious thinker actually engages with religious ideas at the level that these traditional religious thinkers that you debate do. Stop debating the strawman and engage with sincere, serious, interesting religious thinkers. You could contribute so much if you actually listened to what they have to say.
@jps0117
@jps0117 2 дня назад
He had a disaster of an interview with Peterson (the latter's fault).
@ClifffSVK
@ClifffSVK День назад
By "serious contemporary religious thinkers" you mean people who reduce god down to just a philosophical concept, in a safe space outside of science?
@IFYOUWANTITGOGETIT
@IFYOUWANTITGOGETIT 2 дня назад
Religion is emotional cope. Morals arise from consequences. The consequences aren’t always immediately realized, which is why religion was invented. The problem is that religion was invented by people thousands of years ago with a primitive understanding of the world and long term consequences. All religions contain truthiness to varying degrees but they are fundamentally flawed at their foundations because they aren’t adaptable to new knowledge of nature and long term consequences. The most adaptable religion will survive the longest. Christianity has made a good effort to adapt with its multitudes of denominations but it’s starting to die out.
@jordandthornburg
@jordandthornburg 2 дня назад
Morals don’t arise from consequences. That is self evidently false. Atheism seems more likely to be cope. We don’t like someone having authority over us so we just pretend he doesn’t exist. I could make the exact argument about you.
@Papagajidomitas
@Papagajidomitas 2 дня назад
@@jordandthornburgThe more social (bigger the group) a creature is, the more social and more moral AKA favor the team - instead of the self, if the behaver is accountable. It is an adaptation and true for all kinds of creatures. Also the amygdala (fear detection part of the brain) is smaller compare to other species. I used the word creature, because Darwin wrote, there are really no such thing as species, there are versions of creatures at the moment. It’s genetically true, however I know we can categorize them about for example (at the moment) who can breed with whom.
@jordandthornburg
@jordandthornburg День назад
@@Papagajidomitas you have some typos and it’s hard to understand your comment fully.
@Papagajidomitas
@Papagajidomitas День назад
@@jordandthornburg thanks! Edited, I’m still learning the language
@jordandthornburg
@jordandthornburg День назад
@@Papagajidomitas ok thanks. What exactly are you arguing? (What language is yours also?)
@zapkvr
@zapkvr 15 часов назад
That guy's teeth are a dead giveaway. He's what you'd call "hill people" That full grin is truly frightening. I thought it was Joaquin Phoenix for a minute
@RCHeli1
@RCHeli1 16 часов назад
The word ' enjoy' is doing some heavy lifting here, but yes, good job at trying to reach this unchangeable fellow.
@eddys.3524
@eddys.3524 День назад
Well... quite an interesting Idea... Comparing how (crappy) the world is and stating that Religions are in the majority... Isn't that an indication of how crooked Religion is? #Lawyermode
@petersinclair3997
@petersinclair3997 День назад
Would have been good to have the Late Karl Popper remark on this conversation. Science tests temporary hypotheses to be confirmed or refuted. Popper cites Einstein, who said the best fate for a theory was it to become a limiting case in a greater theory. When Dawkins debates theology, often it is with Christian, herein, a reduced concept to the God Construct is reviewed. Might the existence or non existence of God be better debated from the perspective of Deism, rather than Christianity? Herein, noting Newton, (Principia Mathematica, 1687): “The supreme God is a Being eternal, infinite, absolutely perfect; but a being, however perfect, without dominion, cannot be said to be Lord God; for we say, my God, your God, the God of Israel, the God of Gods, and Lord of Lords; but we do not say, my Eternal, your Eternal, the Eternal of Israel, the Eternal of Gods; we do not say, my Infinite, or my Perfect: These are titles which have no respect to servants. The word God usually signifies Lord; but every lord is not a God. It is the dominion of a spiritual being which constitutes a God; a true, supreme, or imaginary dominion makes a true, supreme, or imaginary God.” Peter S. Ph.D. (Atheist)
@jackiedouglas4483
@jackiedouglas4483 16 часов назад
Loved the long shot. Thank you Richard for your grace and patience.
@Myvanha
@Myvanha День назад
Thank God for Richard Dawkins…😅 If he wouldn’t engage with these frustrating discussions and interviews, who would? I believe that in a hundred years the likes of Richard and Christopher Hitchens will be remembered as the great missionaries of rational thinking, and in a thousand years as the great ones who dragged humanity from the dark era of superstition into the era of true enlightenment.
@floydmacallan3970
@floydmacallan3970 День назад
99% of the energy Dawkins wastes saying things he thinks is anything great can quickly be put aside by Jordan Peterson's one sentence 'i know much more about what he doesn't know than what he knows about what I don't know'. The foolishness of the old, narrow minded scientist. Sad
@chrissidiras
@chrissidiras День назад
I used to be a teacher for 10 years, and if my opinion counts for anything, I think this guy is a good teacher, and probably a nice person. I still agree with Richard on the science matters (I am not insane!)
@wandaru
@wandaru День назад
Lots of nervous laughs out there.
@jasonantigua6825
@jasonantigua6825 День назад
Mannerisms and eyes are all over the place! Ray Charles over here!
@OptimisticHominid
@OptimisticHominid День назад
I wish I was ignorant about reality. It would be so much more magical to live in a delusion where there's someone looking after us, with the promise of an even better life after this one. Unfortunately it's all absolute utter bollocks.
@jasonantigua6825
@jasonantigua6825 День назад
Looks well suspicious! Wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him!
@graham9579
@graham9579 День назад
There's a lot of great comments here. I'd like to state something simple: Hawkes gets on my f*ing nerves!
@davidpayne8413
@davidpayne8413 День назад
I save some of Richard's content, I think I'll give this a miss
@drholmes3671
@drholmes3671 День назад
Camera man getting a full workout with this interview
@zapkvr
@zapkvr 15 часов назад
Also, <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="911">15:11</a> be afraid. Be very afraid
@rwbirchdecoys
@rwbirchdecoys День назад
You have influenced my life in the idea of consuming facts and not fantasy.
@etienne_laforet
@etienne_laforet День назад
Dawkins is right, religion is not science. But it is also true that Dawkins' alleged "science" is actually religion. You don't believe it? Then read on... 😅 “There is no evidence that any religion is true," Richard Dawkins said elsewhere, and I agree - including his own. As a Christian, I can easily deal with Dawkins’ atheism, but as a mathematician I cannot accept his stunning lack of logic. What is a “religion” but a metaphysical worldview based on dogma and shared with others? And doesn't Dawkins share with his community a worldview based on a dogmatic claim to empirical evidence (rather than simply reason, which is the real basis of science by not ignoring the fact that there is a lot of "non-empirical" reality, such as dealt with in mathematics, e.g.) ? This is obviously a very dogmatic stance, because where the hell is the “evidence“ that all existence is empirically evident ? It is Dawkins' faith, his religion, he believes in it without evidence. On the contrary, It is astonishingly illogical, especially for an evolutionary biologist. For obviously there is a reality beyond the horizon of Homo sapiens, just as there is beyond the horizon of Pan troglodytes. This is what is called “transcendence” - something Dawkins is apparently blind to, even though it lies in the very logic of evolution. The French philosopher and Nobel Prize winner Henri Bergson understood evolution much better than Dawkins. In his main work "Creative Evolution" he brilliantly analyzes intelligence as a "product" of evolution and finds its blind spots. He understood that reality transcends human intelligence: "Philosophers are mistaken when they apply to metaphysical speculation a method of thinking designed for action." And Bergson astutely shows that creation (unlike magic 😆) is necessarily evolutionary. Dawkins' notorious attempt to ridicule other channels of human experience - spiritual, mystical, religious - is therefore not only stupid and arrogant, it is similar to the laughter of a deaf-mute who makes fun of a group of people dancing because he himself cannot hear the music .
@PhilipGJacobs
@PhilipGJacobs День назад
Scientists don't pray to particles; science prints new books as theories are corrected and refined - they don't keep printing the same book over and over; scientists don't fast, or make sacrifices, or observe holy/sacred days, and/or gather to worship or sing songs in praise of science. So to call science a religion, is meaningless, I'm afraid. If science was attempting to be a religion, it is falling very short of practices, rituals, music & song, sacred days, etc...
@shaneoconnor5319
@shaneoconnor5319 День назад
The david brent of Christian science
@PlumpClump
@PlumpClump День назад
Why are these characters Dawkins talk to so unpleasent? Always unpleasent....have you noticed, the less christian, the more pleasent and viceversa...what is happening? Is religion doing something for their charachter?
@genesises
@genesises 15 часов назад
because someone willing to go to these lengths are a bit coocoo - it's them, not the religion. you'd be surprised at how many people see themselves as a christian and simply never ever talk about it.
@ApprendreSansNecessite
@ApprendreSansNecessite День назад
I've got a lot of respect for Richard Dawkins who managed to stay intelligent throughout his career, because every time I think about religion I feel in a very tangible way that my IQ is regressing. The quality of the argumentation is so low that if I spend too much time swimming in these waters I end up lowering my standards and it can be tough to get back to thinking about more complex problems.
@tonyduncan9852
@tonyduncan9852 День назад
It maybe only a temporary lowering, If your mind remains open, and your experience is still increased. Stay open and rational. They are moral principles.
@oldpossum57
@oldpossum57 21 час назад
This man that Dawkins is revolting. He is the sort that naturally recognizes the high control situation that a religious school provides. I do not think the chap ever did anything illegal with a student: but the immorality of teaching propaganda in that school is without doubt.
@oldpossum57
@oldpossum57 21 час назад
Edit: “that man that Dawkins is talking to is revolting.”
@ngutngut40
@ngutngut40 День назад
That was excruciating.
@benwu7980
@benwu7980 2 дня назад
TY people in chat, didn't mean to anything other that respectful to some I disagreed with.
@williamwilson6499
@williamwilson6499 День назад
Gibberish.
@jaynefaulks1556
@jaynefaulks1556 День назад
How old is this interview? I can’t find any reference to Adrian Hawkes on the internet. I’m appalled at his attitude. As a person who is involved in education to say that the only reason he does not commit pedophilia and or rape is because God forbids it is mind blowing.
@PhilipGJacobs
@PhilipGJacobs День назад
Agreed. Someone once said - 'if you are a good person because of your fear of god, then you're not a good person, you're just a bad person on a leash'.
@Goettel
@Goettel День назад
Scary guy.
@rexpayne7836
@rexpayne7836 День назад
The gods i believe in are Hitchens, Dawkins, and Harris. 🇦🇺 🦘 😊
@sublime8728
@sublime8728 День назад
No gods required.
@Stupidityindex
@Stupidityindex 2 дня назад
As if "eternal salvation" were a thing found outside of fiction. Faith is shameless. The believers are allowed to mask their crimes with worthless faith, indoctrinating children with abhorrent suffering on a cross for the sake of a name, a god, a state or what have you. The reminder of what lengths of punishment the human animal can inflict. The Jesus Christ Cult advocates violence with a mask of peace. The cult is made for wolves dressed as sheep. (Micah <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="421">7:1</a>-6; Luke <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="769">12:49</a>-53) 34Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn ‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36A man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’i 37Anyone who loves his father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me; 38and anyone who does not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me. 39Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.
@genesises
@genesises День назад
lol did u forget ur meds
@ChineduEnyindah
@ChineduEnyindah День назад
Richard Dawkins is averse to to Christianity and God, and yet, he and every other atheists can not disprove the existence of a transcendent deity (God).
@nellwhiteside3042
@nellwhiteside3042 День назад
There is no evidence for the existence of a god(s).
@MaxFoster-ni3op
@MaxFoster-ni3op День назад
That's true, but there are infinite things we can't disprove the existence of. Does that mean we should believe in all of them?
@tonyduncan9852
@tonyduncan9852 День назад
Same goes for fairies at the bottom of your garden. Yet, apparently, they are there. And also The Spaghetti Monster orbiting the Sun between Earth and Mars. The Universe seems quite crowded, locally.
@huwpickrell1209
@huwpickrell1209 День назад
The onus of proof is on the believer not the non believer
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