Grand Seiko BEATS Rolex!!! 

If I was presented the option of which, I would always select the Grand Seiko. To me, the Grand Seiko is more art and Rolex is more hype.

Innovations by Rolex: a waiting list.

I used to want Rolex, but the more I learn about watches the more I desire Grand Seiko.

You have a face!!!

“Ooh it’s snowing, time for a new dial face…”, at least I think that was Tom’s line and a good one 😂

Introduce me to the person who expresses the feeling of "getting lost in" or getting "pulled into" a Rolex dial. I thought the GS Snowflake was too fat for a non-dive watch and the power meter messed up the symmetry of the dial. The first time I held one in my hands, it felt hypnotic.

You forgot a few comparisons: - Rolex is impossible to get at retail, while you can go into a store and come out with a Grand Seiko in a few minutes - 90% of Rolexes you see on people are fake, and some fakes are so good that you can't tell the difference without having an expert look at the movement

Congrats on the new format video!

Great change to be able to see you both in between macro shots. Faces to voices makes all the difference.

Under "innovations", you left out one of Rolex's most important new ideas. They were the first watchmaker to come up with the idea of telling you that you're not yet worthy to purchase one of their watches, and to join a waitlist if you hoped to maybe be allowed to buy one in the future.

Great to see both faces. Thanks for all the watch videos.

Grand Seiko is innovating in technology and artisan craftsmanship, Rolex has a name brand. I feel if GS could bring out a 40mm Diver and GMT options with a good bracelet they could beat Rolex.

Love how Tom is enjoying himself doing double entendres and Andrew not getting it!😂

I prefer it without faces. It lets the imagination work. And the audio works well with companies promo footage.

I don't own either watch brand yet, I am a fairly new watch collector. I sport a Tissot Visodate powermatic 80 gold dial and a Seiko SPBJ121 Alpinist. Having done a lot of research in starting my collection (which, btw, thank you for all the content and all the insightful comments. It's helped a lot in my education. Love this community), I would say I aspire to own a GS before ever owning a Rolex. Solely for the reason that I started collecting for a beauty of the art form and the engineering in the movement. A Rolex would be cool, but I'd just feel more proud of a GS because of the intentionality behind its inception and what I want my collection to look like.

Outstanding video and content as always!!!

Grand Seiko is a watch maker first and marketeers second. Rolex is marketeers first. Innovation is the top criteria of high horology IMO. Rolex is like the Timex of the luxury brand watches.

Great format ❤

The hell with value retention; I buy a GS, I’m keeping it for life.

Does anyone know the name which the "blue lake" dial goes by? (14:17)

Where can I learn about the different components within a watch like the main spring etc?

"It's snowing on that mountain! I feel a dial coming up" :D Brilliant...

If you want to impress others, buy a Rolex. If you want to be Impressed, buy a Grand Seiko

Go Tom......nice to see the face of the man behind the witty cynicism. I'm pretty sure you're in the upload of the journey to Switzerland but nice to finally get some closure on this matter after Andrew's unveiling early in the year. Nico Leonard has a lot to f3ckin answer for now that you're both unmasked. If it's alright I'm going to continue listening to both of your utterances with my eyes closed. Imagination Andrew & Tom are what I'm used to....

Short answer YES, long answer YES

I don’t get the hate for GS bracelets, to me it’s fine no complaints. I like the size and the non taper is perfectly fine. It’s as nice as any other bracelet for the price.

I own two Grand Seiko, the SBGX263 quartz and the SBGE271 Spring Drive. I can honestly say both watches are beautiful and pleasing to wear. Very comfortable and I can stare at them all day. I almost don’t want to wear them much because of afraid to scratch them😂. So I end up wearing my Omega SMP 300 most of the time . Not that’s it’s not a great watch but seems like it can take a beating. I can’t speak for Rolex , not yet an owner. Hopefully soon.

I like the video version better than the audio presentation version. ❤

Freaked out by you both being in front of the camera now. I like it

I'm the lucky owner of an SBGA413 Cherry Blossom time piece. I don't have any words to describe what I see when I'm looking at so many details. BTW, the balance wheel in a spring drive doesn't swing but rotates constantly, and there is no escapement.

I think both produce high quality products for different customers. A buyer of the skyflake doesn’t have the wants or needs of a buyer looking at a OP. I myself prefer GS to most Rolex models but I have massive respect for Rolex’ accuracy and their design language.

I'm confused, is GS Spring drive the same as Bulova Precisonist? and which one has the smoother sweep? I ask bc I don't think Rolex sweep is smoother than GS or Bulova.

I missed the microphone 🎙️ 😂 just kidding well done guys! ✌🏼😎👍🏼

Well. I think GS needs to do a lot for the price they are trying to sell for. The bracelet needs a huge improvement for example.

If Grand seiko sort their bracelets out then that would be seriously good

Rolex did have a good Innovation actually in the 80s Boyster points was a converted mechanical movement where they switched out a statement and something else and put a quart drive into a mechanical watch that's why the oysterquartz had such a unique tick

Tom! Always great to see Tom! Grand Seiko are watch artisans and innovators first, while Rolex play to the masses and market well. Grand Seiko is for me!

I am fully digesting the mighty *AWM23K* and my belly is going to be full now

Hi boys. I love your videos. You have not only influenced my watch enjoyment and understanding but also I went to a restaurant you recommended for my 50th birthday. But… don’t pull back the curtain. You are so much more magical without the naked faces siting in a booth like some kind of weird mr and mrs.

The host looks a lot like Andrew Morgan over on the Talking Hands channel.

You should have done this by looking at each sector. Who has the best dive watch under £10k? Best Chronograph etc

Just my 2 cents or whatever, I was driven by the hype about how wonder a Rolex was and I purchased an Explorer 2 at the begining of last year, well that feeling of "I have a Rolex" didn't last that long and I sold it 2 months later and would never have another one. I love so many of the GS Dials and the finish is sublime. At the moment I cannot decide but will probably go the GS Snowflake - the dial is just so captivating to look at and finish just excellent

How many more of these you’ll do

They both make great watches. Buy what you like because nobody cares what you’re wearing anyway

Superb video. But, let me share this here knowing it can uplift someone that comes across it. Effective financial management made me rich and it is all you need if you want to build a strong financial future tomorrow. I started with 1000USD, 3 years ago I invested in a diversified stock market and fast forward to now I am worth 500000USD and am currently finishing my 8 unit apartments. I'm only 35 years old. Diversified stock investments have always proven to be very profitable, especially with the help of experts.

Finally I see who behind the fancy voice from longgggggg time…

love the cameras but please use a 16:9 ratio de grey bars are so annoying

I've also heard some people say that the name Grand Seiko doesn't have any cache'. Lexus wasn't named Grand Toyota and Acura wasn't named Grand Honda. I own a Rolex Day-Date and am currently awaiting the arrival of a Grand Seiko SBGA493 (red dial) Spring Drive this month. I'm looking forward to becoming hypnotized by the "new smooth sweep technology."

I love and own watches from both brands (GS SBGA413 and a Rolex GMT Master II). Both have pros and cons - I wouldn’t necessarily say one is better than the other! I love how the Grand Seiko completely flies under the radar and is therefore more understated. The dial is undeniably more interesting - that's what initially attracted me to the brand. The case finishing is superior to Rolex. It’s just a more interesting watch overall that I really enjoy wearing from time to time. However, one downside of the funky/interesting dial is that it’s far less versatile than my other watches. Frankly, I hope Grand Seiko doesn’t get too popular because I really like how much of an unknown it is to most people (apart from watch enthusiasts that is). Hands down, the Rolex feels more solidly built and the proportions of the watch are just better. The bracelet is way ahead of anything Grand Seiko offers (I have the jubilee). Even little things like the snappy date change or the strong click of the micro extension give the watch a very robust feel. For those reasons, it has become my go-to watch and I have a tough time taking it off. I own more watches than just these two, and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that the GMT is the only watch in my collection that I’d truly never sell; it’d be a perfect watch for a one-watch collection. For me, the biggest cons are (1) the stigma around Rolex, and (2) how long I had to wait for one to become available (~2 years).

I think I like the mic format better, it was more novel and kinda funny.

A duel of duals between two jewels

It's nice and refrashing to have the face behind the voice actually appear in video, I like this change

What’s going on? I miss the wallpaper and microphones. 😟

I always pictured Tom as Martin from Green Wing. How wrong could I be!

Hey Tom!

Grand Seiko - excellence at an affordable price. E.g Sbgn003. Also no security worries wearing in cities.

I’m stuck in a cabin in Borgo di Vagli Italy. It hasn’t stopped raining in 4 days. If it weren’t for these videos I feel I would lose my mind. Get me out of here😵‍💫Thanks Guys

Your voice is so beautiful and soothing ❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉

I own and love both brands. For me they are just different. The most beautiful watch in my collection is a GS. My holy grail is a Rolex. The type of answer that the obnoxious fanboys cannot understand 🤣.

Is the sky blue?

Yes

Me encanta el color y que es gmt.... espero ganarlo tocayo!!!

Would love to put a jubilee bracelet on a GS though

I have given up on GS now. They were fun for a while but cannot wait any longer for a bracelet that fits me. They could make a stunning watch but insist on churning out the same old designs and hoping the whacky dials will keep people interested.

Now that we can see you both, Tom is definitely Penfold ( no offence Tom, Penfold is still pretty cool) and Andrew is Danger Mouse 😁. GS for me

The crown is the crown, and GS is GS both are adorable.

Where's the microphones gone 😟

Happy with my SBGP007

if the brqcelet on the siekonwas better perhaps. but now they are 7k plus but the brwcelet falls behind

If there's a way to change for the better it must be *AWM23K* . I had lost all hope with the decisions our big guys make which just keeps their power and imbalance up. Maybe at some point basic people like me and you have to take over, right?

Gotta say i prefer to see your faces, communication is 90% non verbal and the disembodied voices were cool and all, now it feels more personal, better connected with our dear hosts.

Mics looks different today

Rolex quality? I have a 16610, 23 years old….still kicking ass. I’ve serviced it 2x….wait, maybe 3 but it gets the most wrist time. I love the rattling bracelet. I’m marveled that it is just as good as it was when it was new. Well, even better IMO because he has withstood all this time. I think trying to compare what Rolex is providing versus what GS does, is not really something to fairly compare. I have a SMP300, love it as well but it scratches a different design itch than my Rolexes (and Zeniths, Tudor). I’ve been eyeing a couple GS models, they scratch a different itch for me though. I will love it as well when I pull the trigger.

Wait wait WAIT! So you were never actually 2 high-tech microphones controlling 2 sets of self-aware talking hands all along?!

Why I can see your faces ??

Have actually stopped looking and caring what GS bring out. There will always be a Rolex I might get a call about though. Current interests are Omega, Zenith and Helm.

I like both!

I always thought you looked like Ajax from the first Deadpool movie. My bad.

to sum up, all the ancestors of GS employee whispering to their ears "do your best, keep innovating, be creative, be artistic and finnish the hell out of that watch" while Rolex manager yell over the loudspeaker "make more money".

I much prefer Rolex even though I want to love GS. GS are still often too big and have rubbish bracelets. I also personally prefer the rounded design of Rolex over the straight lines of GS. However the GS>Rolex when it comes to polishing and dial design. Some recent Rolex dials are laughable. One thing I want to see from GS is silicon hairsprings.

Holy hell the face to the voice

GS lacks micro adjustment clasp

Dude, lookin sharp.

GS doesn't care much about profit margin or at least, it is not a priority. Although they reuse certain dials in new paint, they do push themselves to make art pieces (rather than time pieces) that speak to people. Rolex does. hence, Rolex plays it safe and sells a lot more watches and earns a lot more money.

What! No more microphones, we get to see your face 😮

Holy fucking shit! Dr. Strange is on RU-vid talking about watches!

microphones have been replaced!

For a value and quality ratio Grand Seiko is the much better buy, it has a great history too but as mentioned the lack of world availability for GS watches has held them back a lot compared to how world renowned Rolex is. I don't own a GS yet but I have been in love with the snowflake for a very long time especially with the dial and the captivating spring drive! The only luxury watch I own is a Vintage two tone Datejust, I went vintage because I didn't feel like spending £9,000+ on a modern one :') so I got a great vintage for under £4,000!

I miss the microphones. It was quirky

Excellent but I'm waiting for a mount fuji on a rolex

People who may have some issue with the name Seiko because of its shop mall models...Mercedes Benz sells the S class, Maybach spec and plenty of high end AMG models. It also sells the C class, and the A class. You can get on a Mercedes bus and drive past Mercedes delivery vans and trucks... Doesn't seem to hurt the MB brand that much...

Allowing for the demands of shock protection and general durability a watch should be as slim as possible. Bracelet quality and aesthetic sensibility are also a necessity for me, lets not be vulgar.

Hi Tom!😁

Nice to see your faces! Good step guys!

Solid conversational information seasoned with a pinch of delightful snark.

I am suprised they did not mention Grand Seiko 9F movements for innovation!?

I think I prefer no faces. Great conversation though

Por supestísimo, eso no lo duda nadie 😅

I don't believe that the Palms are laser at I believe that each color of Palms actually a different material maybe they laser etch it in addition to that?

Shame you didn’t mention the technology and quality of Grand Seiko quartz. A mechanical, spring drive, and quartz Grand Seiko is my holy trinity of watches.