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Gravity is not a force. But what does that mean? 

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Just exactly what does it mean that gravity is not a force? In this video I will revisit the question and explain why you are currently accelerating upwards, and how Einstein's equivalence principle works.
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@SabineHossenfelder
@SabineHossenfelder 5 месяцев назад
That was a tough one! The quiz for this video is here: quizwithit.com/start_thequiz/1702972458163x675901602454850000
@smlanka4u
@smlanka4u 5 месяцев назад
Gravity is a force, and space doesn't bend due to gravity. The density of space increases near massive object due to the gravitational force. The existence of Dark Matter shows that space is material. General relativity is not a quantum theory, and it doesn't explain the high gravitational force that make Black Holes during the supernova explosion. Neutrinos can be the cause of gravity because stars emit neutrinos from their 99% of energy of the supernova explosion, making pressure to make a small Black Hole.
@javahaxxor
@javahaxxor 5 месяцев назад
​@@smlanka4uinteresting statements care to explain that to us chimps?
@_John_P
@_John_P 5 месяцев назад
You left out tidal forces, which break the premise in the video's title.
@emifro
@emifro 5 месяцев назад
Quizwithit asks for registration to see the correct answers :/
@davidmaxwaterman
@davidmaxwaterman 5 месяцев назад
You should have given the correct answers 😜
@user-bi7nq4nj7q
@user-bi7nq4nj7q 5 месяцев назад
I tried to tell my wife this the other day... she just pretended to care and nodded her head in approval. The life of a physicist :-/
@user-hk8yp7cw1v
@user-hk8yp7cw1v 5 месяцев назад
I tell this to both family and friends and they tend to do the same so don't feel alone 😅
@nicklacelle
@nicklacelle 5 месяцев назад
That's just the life of a husband.
@dtibor5903
@dtibor5903 5 месяцев назад
Well, don't try to explain this to regular people. For regular people and for practical purposes gravity is a force.
@TransdermalCelebrate
@TransdermalCelebrate 5 месяцев назад
Very Funny, I’d wished to of been there 😄👍
@josir1994
@josir1994 5 месяцев назад
She cared enough to pretend to care, that's a good start
@waynesaban2607
@waynesaban2607 27 дней назад
The fact that Einstein married his first cousin Elsa, means even he didn’t understand relativity….
@frequentflyer56
@frequentflyer56 7 дней назад
😂😂😂
@77kaczka77
@77kaczka77 6 дней назад
Lol! But it is “relative” easy to understand reading books of G. Gamow (Mr. Thompkins…) Btw: People, who say, they understand quantum theory, don’t understood it.
@SlipKnotRicky
@SlipKnotRicky 2 дня назад
Einstein was a RedNeck?
@sistajoseph
@sistajoseph 2 дня назад
There are other kinds f relativity and some communities prefer to marry their cousins any way.
@truthorpropaganda9001
@truthorpropaganda9001 День назад
🤣🤣🤣
@Zandaarl
@Zandaarl 19 дней назад
As a layperson in physics, I consider myself to be fairly educated. But this was a wild ride. I went from "Wait, what?!" to "That can't be right but Sabine wouldn't tell us something incorrect." to "Oh, now I get it!" to "I'm just slightly confused but I get it but I'm not trying to explain it to my friends." Thank you Sabine for expanding our understanding and knowledge with every video! 🎉
@dmariehatch8825
@dmariehatch8825 17 дней назад
By C300
@BlackistedGod
@BlackistedGod 8 дней назад
Veritasium has a video on the same topic years ago, I think he did a pretty good explanation
@rayRay-pw6gz
@rayRay-pw6gz 7 дней назад
As a Star Trek fan , this is very disturbing. How can we travel without gravity, our bodies were designed to work with gravity. I can not accept the ability to create artificial gravity. ✌️
@MosheFeder
@MosheFeder 6 дней назад
@@rayRay-pw6gz Speaking as a professional SF editor, while artificial gravity has been a common feature in SF stories and novels for decades, the writers have fewer ideas about how it might work than they do about warp drives or FTL drives in general. As SF ideas go, it's certainly one of the most unlikely. But we keep using it anyway because it's so convenient. This kind of winking compromise with physics is why the genre is called “science _fiction_”!
@rayRay-pw6gz
@rayRay-pw6gz 6 дней назад
@@MosheFeder 😀. Reality sucks ! Thanks . 👍✌️
@AH-jt6wc
@AH-jt6wc 3 месяца назад
you comparison between newtons law and how we applied it up to now and general relativity point of view is amazing. First time I understand this difference and I have seen many videos on that...
@peterturner6497
@peterturner6497 Месяц назад
Yeah she certainly proved beyond doubt that Einstein was indeed a fraud and his "theory" is a worthless hunk of junk didn't she? Garbage is garbage no matter whey you try to spin it.
@richtheobald4390
@richtheobald4390 4 месяца назад
"9.8 m/s/s as you were probably taught in kindergarten" Maybe in Germany but I grew up in Canada and was still figuring out that plasticene wasn't a food group. I think you're right though: never too young to learn that thing that holds you down is not holding you down.
@MrKotBonifacy
@MrKotBonifacy 4 месяца назад
"PLASTICINE", perhaps...? ;-)
@hooked4215
@hooked4215 4 месяца назад
Say pleistocene better@@MrKotBonifacy
@milanstevic8424
@milanstevic8424 4 месяца назад
@@MrKotBonifacy no he likely means Plasticene, as an informal "geological" epoch nomenclature, as the last part of the current age called Holocene, which is further subdivided to Anthropocene, an epoch in which all humans tend to be terminally guilty for existing. Needless to say these are all unofficial addendums, and are mostly there for rhetorical and socioeconomical purposes, of which Canada is a prime consumer.
@AlexAnteroLammikko
@AlexAnteroLammikko 4 месяца назад
@@milanstevic8424 Wonderful, but definitely wrong. OP obviously meant Plasticine because thats putty and thats what children tend to eat, and its not a food group. So your Chat GPT/wikipedia blurb doesn't add much to that.
@c.augustin
@c.augustin 4 месяца назад
Well, it was a joke. As Sabine likes to do. I can assure you that we don't have physics in Kindergarten here in Germany.
@alonamaloh
@alonamaloh 5 месяцев назад
Perhaps Sabine didn't want to introduce reference frames, and there are good reasons for that, but for some people it might help to think about this by talking about different types of reference frames. The whole thing can be summarized by saying that the usual reference frame, where the floor is not moving, is not inertial. The force of gravity is then a 'pseudo-force', an illusion that appears because we chose a non-inertial reference frame, similar to the centrifugal force or the Coriolis effect in a rotating reference frame. In general relativity, inertial reference frames follow geodesics of space-time, which implies that the origin must be in free fall.
@Earthstein
@Earthstein 5 месяцев назад
So much of a construct; right?
@Matthew-by2xx
@Matthew-by2xx 5 месяцев назад
@@kleinerprinz99 Statements that start with “It’s vert simple,” and then simply miss the nuances are always fun.
@NewNecro
@NewNecro 5 месяцев назад
This so much. I think it'd have been much more helpful to better explain the spacetime model with geodesics, worldline and gravity's role within it rather than vaguely affirm what gravity is not. For most layman Newtonian gravity is the standard which makes special and general relativity particularly unintuitive. The fundamental differences between inertial and non-inertial reference frames are very important distinctions to explain Fictitious Forces you mentioned.
@ObjectsInMotion
@ObjectsInMotion 5 месяцев назад
There’s no reason to not consider pseudo-forces to be as “real” as a “real” force. “Real” forces are mediated by virtual particles, which are themselves not “real”, so why do those forces get special consideration? They shouldn’t. A pseudo-vector is just as “real” as a normal vector. This entire video is just pedantry.
@gramail2009
@gramail2009 5 месяцев назад
I have a vague sense you might be able to explain this better than Sabine does. It makes no sense to me yet. Maybe it is just a matter of language. Seems to work quite well for me (and most of the world's scientists too!|) to think in terms of the 'force of gravity 'pulling me onto this chair! Will I really benefit by pretending there is no such force??! Or calling it something else. First I guess I will have to find out what people mean by an inertial frame of reference as opposed to any other kind...
@user-og4fk6os1r
@user-og4fk6os1r 2 месяца назад
On the question of whether you're "accelerating" while in free fall vs. resting on the Earth's surface- Too many people say "space" is curved by gravity. That's wrong. If it were just space being curved it wouldn't take any more energy to move away from a gravitational field than to move into it - any more so than it requires more energy to move north on the earth than to move south. Nor would there be gravitational time dilation. Spacetime is what's curved by gravity in the GR model. The time part of that is what makes the model work. It therefore doesn't make sense to directly compare GR's four dimensional "spacetime" model of motion with Newtonian mechanics' 3D model where time is absolute and acceleration is *defined* as the second derivative of distance with respect to absolute time. In GR, the Newtonian definition of acceleration doesn't even make sense because the absolute magnitude of any object's 4D velocity vector is a constant (spoiler alert - it's always c); only the direction can change, which is of course not a constraint of 3D velocity vectors in classical mechanics. So any statement that you "are" or "are not" accelerating in GR has to be heavily qualified as to whether you're talking about a 4D velocity vector or a 3D classical velocity. When you are being acted upon by no non-gravitational influences, it is true that your 4D velocity vector doesn't change as you follow a 4D geodesic - because that vector is *defined* relative to a 4D geodesic! If it makes you happy, you can say you are not "accelerating in 4 dimensions." When you are being acted upon by a non-gravitational influence, on the other hand, your 4D velocity components DO change relative to a geodesic, for as long as that influence is acting on you. If it makes you happy, you can say that you are "accelerating in 4 dimensions". When you're standing on Earth's surface, the electromagnetic repulsion from the surface is pushing you away from the 4D geodesic you would otherwise be following, and therefore, if it makes you happy, you can likewise say you are "accelerating in 4 dimensions". But if you drop the "in 4 dimensions" part, then you're mixing apples and oranges - taking a statement that's true for a particular model and applying it to concepts from the prior model, which have no applicability in the new model, as if they prove the prior model wrong. The ugly truth is that all models are wrong, especially when it comes to spacetime. Some just make better predictions than others. No one has any clue what space or time even are. And the fact that GR doesn't work at the quantum level, and vice versa, ought to make us even more humble about making sweeping claims such as "gravity is not a force." The most common sin physicists commit in my opinion is confusing models for reality. This video, I think, is such an example.
@OldZoZo
@OldZoZo 17 дней назад
"The most common sin physicists commit in my opinion is confusing models for reality." is probably the truest statement to be said about modern science.
@1st2nd2
@1st2nd2 Час назад
You appear to know what you are talking about. I have a question: Suppose I am in an indestructible vessel that has made it to the center of my local gravity well (planet, star, etc.). Then I am being acted on by the pressure of the atoms/matter around me, but also following my (local) geodesic. I assume the pressure/forces of the matter (at least roughly) evens out and I would just continue on the geodesic at the center of the local gravity well. Let's go a bit more realistic from spherical cows. The Earth is not uniformly created (gravity varies on the surface as mentioned in the clip). Would I get pulled around and forced to rotate also? Additionally, how does the Earth's rotation fit into GR? Does each molecule/quanta of matter have to follow it's own geodesic "spiral" until acted on by the matter below, forcing it into a "circle?"
@jeremypearson9019
@jeremypearson9019 4 месяца назад
The problem that people have with this is that they have a hard time accepting that there is positive net acceleration when there is no apparent movement. We're trained to think that if an object appears to be at rest, then all of the forces are balanced and there is no net acceleration. The key is to understand what Sabine is trying to explain is that gravity interacts in 4D SPACETIME, not just 3D space. In 3D space, gravity appears to be a force pulling massive objects together, but in the 4D spacetime equations the objects are simply at "rest" (no acceleration). In the 4D General Relativity equations, gravity never accelerates any object--they will always move at a constant "4D velocity" until they interact with an outside force. A rock that appears to be at rest on the 3D surface of the earth is actually accelerating in 4D spacetime. 🤯
@onedaya_martian1238
@onedaya_martian1238 16 дней назад
You lost me at " In the 4D General Relativity equations, gravity never accelerates any object--they will always move at a constant "4D velocity" ..... until they interact with an outside force." How do objects interact with an "outside force" ? The ball rolling around on a rubber sheet, "captured" by a mass sitting on the sheet is NOT interacting with an outside force but it is changing its relative velocity and is therefore being accelerated. Or is that the wrong way to understand this ?
@jeremypearson9019
@jeremypearson9019 16 дней назад
@@onedaya_martian1238 A ball rolling on a rubber sheet is touching the rubber sheet. The atoms in the rubber and the atoms in the ball are repelling each other by the electromagnetic force. The ball travels in a circle because the sheet is pushing it that way. If the sheet (and the air) weren't there, then General Relativity would say that the ball would travel in a non-accelerating trajectory through spacetime, which is curved by the strong gravitational influence of the nearby Earth. To our perception, the ball would seem to accelerate because it increases its speed with respect to the dimension of altitude. But, in General Relativity, it's not accelerating when you analyze it in the spacetime equations. Space and spacetime are not the same thing. I had a hard time with this concept when I was younger. People would usually describe relativistic gravity by explaining that an object in orbit travels on a "straight line in curved spacetime". That kind of made sense to me, but what about if a metal ball were to fall straight down, starting at rest, from 1000 kilometers above the earth? That doesn't seem like a "constant spacetime curve". The ball starts at rest, then is accelerated to hundreds or even thousands of km/hour before it hits the atmosphere. Well, I had a breakthrough in understanding when I studied the General Relativity equations and realized that their definition of "non-accelerating" is in 4 dimensions. An object can accelerate in 3 spatial dimensions but be non-accelerating in the 4D spacetime equations. I get a little irritated when people use the rubber sheet analogy to explain Relativity. The only way to really understand it is in the 4D equations. Gravity doesn't curve space, it curves spacetime, which is a mathematical concept.
@jeremypearson9019
@jeremypearson9019 15 дней назад
@@onedaya_martian1238 The rubber ball contacts the rubber sheet. The atoms in the rubber and the atoms in the ball repel each other with the electromagnetic force. The point I was trying to make is that General Relativity uses 4 dimensional math. People say that gravity "curves" space like a rubber sheet. It's much more than that. Gravity curves *spacetime* (there's a difference between spacetime and space). If gravity only curved 3D space, not 4D spacetime, then I think that it could explain how moving objects could orbit the planet, but I don't think that it would explain why stationary objects fall straight down. The fact that they are 4D equations enables gravity to actively morph 3D space over time. The altitude dimension of 3D space around a planet is constantly shrinking. According to General Relativity, a ball dropped from a tower doesn't fall because of gravitational "acceleration", it falls because the space underneath them is actively contracting. That morphing of space isn't considered to be acceleration. In spacetime coordinates, the object isn't moving. Once the ball contacts the ground, it does accelerate due to the contact force. After bouncing for a while, the ball settles on the ground. Gravity is contracting the space under the ball, but the earth is accelerating the ball upward. To us, the ball seems like it is at rest, but it's actually under constant upward acceleration that counteracts the shrinkage of the altitude dimension.
@kylebelle246
@kylebelle246 14 дней назад
​@@jeremypearson9019Interesting. It kind of reminds me of a flat earth theory which states that gravity is just the earth moving/accelerating upwards at 9.8m/s/s. But what i wanted to actually ask was about the seemingly perceived acceleration of free fall, or rather in this case according to your explanation, the increase of rate contraction over time. Like it's possible I'm missing something really simple which explains it but i dont really see why it should be the case that we "accelerate" in free fall
@jeremypearson9019
@jeremypearson9019 14 дней назад
The flat earthers seem to have borrowed the acceleration/gravitation equivalence to make their ideas seem more scientific. But Relativity actually matches with observation and is mathematically sound and the flat earth theory fails miserably. Your comment got me thinking: imagine you had two balls. You drop one of them from the top of the Tower of Pisa, then, when that ball reaches the middle of the tower, you drop the second one alongside it. The first ball will have a much higher velocity because it has already had time to accelerate, so it will speed past the second ball and strike the ground first. However, the two balls travel along the same path at the same time--straight down. If their motion is explained solely by the curvature of spacetime and not by acceleration due to gravity, then how could they move differently while occupying nearly the same space? Well, the short answer is that 1. the math is very complicated and 2. I don't actually have a sound enough understanding of this particular case to give a satisfactory explanation. It just goes to show that when we talk about Relativity in layman's terms, the analogies that we use don't adequately explain straight, vertical falling. It's been a long time since I studied it. The bottom line is that the 4D math is complicated and the analogies we use (like the ball rolling on the rubber sheet) don't really do it justice.
@Slitter_the_Dubstep
@Slitter_the_Dubstep 4 месяца назад
Every time she says "Gravity is not a Force!" I feel like she got me. Its like a punchline that doesnt grownold and messes you up no matter how often you hear it, just because most of our lives weve been learning something different that we adapted into our Framework of reality
@andrew3203
@andrew3203 2 месяца назад
Not something different, simply wrong. If you teach wrong things in school, you shouldn't be surprised when people say those things.
@biopsiesbeanieboos55
@biopsiesbeanieboos55 2 месяца назад
I agree. It’s like an unripe plum. No matter which direction you approach it from, it doesn’t become any more palatable.
@robert-wr9xt
@robert-wr9xt Месяц назад
Thankfully the phone didn’t ring.
@Slitter_the_Dubstep
@Slitter_the_Dubstep Месяц назад
@@robert-wr9xt huh :D
@robert-wr9xt
@robert-wr9xt Месяц назад
@@Slitter_the_Dubstep New to the channel? Sometimes she has a red phone on a desk. It rings and she answers it. Charlie Brown adult voice talks on other end. She makes comments and hangs up. You’ll laugh. Have a nice week.
@DruMusica
@DruMusica 4 месяца назад
The fact that you use several examples makes room for different brain wirings to link in. At each step in this video, I felt a little closer to getting this right. It was extremely satisfying and educative. Well done and thank you!
@chrisstevens-xq2vb
@chrisstevens-xq2vb 4 месяца назад
Pffft this is beyond stupid. If gravity wasn’t a force it wouldn’t do anything.
@andrewjoliver82
@andrewjoliver82 4 месяца назад
​@@chrisstevens-xq2vb just because you're incapable of understanding does not make a complex set of ideas stupid. The stupid is you 🤷
@bartsanders1553
@bartsanders1553 4 месяца назад
​@@chrisstevens-xq2vbIt's just another lie from big globe. Stay strong, brother.
@CSpottsGaming
@CSpottsGaming 4 месяца назад
​@@chrisstevens-xq2vbIf you don't understand, you can say that instead of being rude.
@thenonsequitur
@thenonsequitur 4 месяца назад
@@chrisstevens-xq2vb Gravity isn't "doing anything". Gravity is the natural fall of mass toward other mass due to the curvature of space-time. It's a description of the structure of space-time, not "doing something".
@dr.danielmckeownastrophysics
@dr.danielmckeownastrophysics Месяц назад
The equivalence principle only applies locally, its actually possible to see the difference between a person standing in a gravitational field and a person standing in a box with a rocket because when you look at the 2nd derivative and compare the fact that the person in a gravitational field will experience differing ("non-uniform") accelerations at their feet vs. their head while a person standing in a box with a rocket accelerating will experience uniform acceleration, you can see that the gravitational field can be distinguished. So while the two are close, they actually are very different and cannot be said to be physically the same. One could be treated as essentially a uniform field, while the other is non uniform when you compare it at different regions of spacetime.
@random_nick_for_comments
@random_nick_for_comments 2 дня назад
So if we can distinguish, following the lector logic - gravity is the force. I finally got it.
@simonbowden8408
@simonbowden8408 Месяц назад
But Sabine isn't acceleration also defined as rate of change of velocity (I know that velocity is relative to something)? Can one separate acceleration from force? If you're in a black box and it accelerates then you can't tell the difference between gravity & acceleration? Which means that gravity is equivalent to a force?
@ionsilver557
@ionsilver557 5 месяцев назад
One of my favorite explanations of gravity is a quote from John Wheeler, which interestingly, doesn't include the word "gravity" at all: "Space-time tells matter how to move; matter tells space-time how to curve."
@Nocholas
@Nocholas 5 месяцев назад
yes, but maybe not.
@samibraheem1579
@samibraheem1579 5 месяцев назад
I think this ia why we haven't and will not see a subatomic particle for gravity since it's a force like nuclear and electromagnetic
@juliavixen176
@juliavixen176 5 месяцев назад
The thing about General Relativity, is that this _is_ all that it says about gravity. It exactly describes how gravity works... but not _why_ Why does mass and energy curve space? Yeah, it just does, and we can calculate exactly how much and stuff... but what's the actual mechanism? Why should geodesic worldlines converge towards the largest pile of confined energy, and curve away from a vacuum. What is the mass (or vacuum) actually *doing* ? General Relativity just says that the spatial distance between two points shrinks as the time distance increases... that's it, that's all it says. It's not very satisfying. It really is just pure geometry.
@magicmulder
@magicmulder 5 месяцев назад
Nobody puts gravity in a corner! 😂
@patinho5589
@patinho5589 5 месяцев назад
So the matter matters. It makes a curvature within which lifeforms like us do our stuff. This mean planets matter.
@dougjamesberwick2625
@dougjamesberwick2625 4 месяца назад
Absolutely fascinating as always - most accessible explanation I've ever heard!
@schweinehundbullshit9176
@schweinehundbullshit9176 4 месяца назад
As Absolutely fascinating as absolutely meaningless.
@phenanrithe
@phenanrithe 4 месяца назад
In the video, the question about a = dv/dt is quickly discarded "because it's another referential", which doesn't help if you don't know about general relativity. The spatial position of a free-falling object doesn't change in freefall because it's not simply dv/dt = a in space. There's an additional term cancelling out the acceleration upward, which comes from spacetime distortion. That's what explains that Earth's surface is accelerating upward without Earth expanding. The geodesic equation shows that d²z/dt²=a - Γ (dz/dt)². If a, which is F/m, equals the gamma term, the position remains constant: the ground pushes the object upward but spacetime distortion compensates it. Anyway, it's only one theory, so saying gravity's not a force is only true in that theory. Don't try to give it any meaning.
@kylelochlann5053
@kylelochlann5053 Месяц назад
Gravity is not a force by direct measurement, and has nothing necessarily to do with relativity.
@andrewmosse6544
@andrewmosse6544 2 месяца назад
wow! your explanation is the clearest I heard so far and I checked a lot of videos on you tube. thank you!
@juzoli
@juzoli 5 месяцев назад
Here is my favorite analogy which helped me understand the concept: Imagine you and your friend are standing at the equator, and start walking towards north, parallel to each other. But as you walk, you notice that you start to get closer to each other, and would collide by the time you reach north pole. Some mysterious “force” is pulling you together. You have to physically accelerate to keep your paths parallel. Is it a force pulling you together? Of course not. The Earth’s surface is curved.
@Markielee72
@Markielee72 5 месяцев назад
I like that. 👌🏻
@audience2
@audience2 5 месяцев назад
​@@harmless6813Lines that intersect are not parallel by definition.
@acebulletman7389
@acebulletman7389 5 месяцев назад
It seems that latitude lines are parallel, but longitude lines are not since they intersect.
@TBJ1118
@TBJ1118 5 месяцев назад
Nah it's the force of love 'cause we gay for each other
@ak74udieby
@ak74udieby 5 месяцев назад
@@acebulletman7389a latitude doesnt have a "line" besides the equator
@thehadster7043
@thehadster7043 4 месяца назад
I usually can at least grasp the content of your videos. But... I gotta say, this had my head spinning. I eventually got it, but it was difficult. Thanks for the mental gymnastics!
@landonian1223
@landonian1223 29 дней назад
this is my favorite thing to teach about relativity because you can get people to really think about what gravity feels like, which is nothing. i always start with the question, "can you actually FEEL gravity?" basically same as sabine's accelerometer example
@rosewood1
@rosewood1 17 дней назад
That's a false analysis. No you cannot feel gravity. But that doesn't mean it's not there. You don't feel air around you when it's still. If your submerged in the sea you don't feel the sea around you. But in fact as you decend to deeper depths your body is compressed. Equally on the moon where gravity is much this has an effect.
@random_Person347
@random_Person347 2 месяца назад
As an eager physics undergraduate 50 years ago I struggled more than I ever expected with the explanations of relativity theory I was given, and this was the final straw that convinced me I did not want to ever be a physicist after all. I kind of understand it now, but I still can't quite get my head around the idea that the earth is making me accelerate upwards even though I'm motionless and the earth is not visibly expanding. The explanation, so I understand, is that the earth, due to its internal pressure, is expanding into space at the same rate at which space-time is collapsing inwards due to gravity, but why are these two things happening at the same rate? Why should there be an equivalence between the earth's internal pressure and the curvature of space-time?
@narfwhals7843
@narfwhals7843 2 месяца назад
Because the earth's pressure and the "infalling space" have an equilibrium. That equilibrium defines the earth's size. If gravity were stronger, the earth would shrink until the pressure increases enough to balance it again. If it were weaker, the earth would grow until the pressure decreases enough.
@jonathandavid3298
@jonathandavid3298 4 месяца назад
Fantastic video! Please do a video covering Mark Kasevich's experiment demonstrating the Aharonov Bohm effect for gravity. I don't know why this is never mentioned in physics when it seems to be one of the greatest findings in decades. Your take would help naive science hobbyists like me who don't know if this finding is significant or why nobody covers it.
@ChaoticNeutralMatt
@ChaoticNeutralMatt 4 месяца назад
Effect.. for gravity? I'm not familiar with that effect in that context.
@lfelype.azevedo
@lfelype.azevedo 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for the awesome video about the matter (or the space-time curvature in this case). As much as we study it, having a graphical and very well done explanations is good to cement the ideas, and this one was a blast to watch.
@undercoveragent9889
@undercoveragent9889 5 месяцев назад
If 'mass' does not exert a force on spacetime then why should spacetime experience any warping?
@kurtn4819
@kurtn4819 23 дня назад
I missed 2 out of 12. I LOVE the quiz after the “lecture” because I often wonder how much I retained and this is a good way to gauge that. Thanks Sabine. Only one suggestion: We don’t know which ones we got wrong, or am I missing something?
@helmutgensen4738
@helmutgensen4738 2 часа назад
This is insane! I'm definitely keeping the 'force of gravity' in my toolbox. Each year when the clocks change, old people fall off ladders trying to change them. At the hospital we don't tell them "the earth accelerated towards you and broke your hip". Relatively speaking - the earth didn't move.
@ExplicitPublishing
@ExplicitPublishing 4 месяца назад
I concentrated very hard and still have so many questions. It seems more like a semantic trap than an actual Physics problem.
@vix86
@vix86 4 месяца назад
Glad I'm not the only one that feels that way. It also feels like this whole video would fall apart when discussed in the sphere of quantum mechanics.
@garymarkowitz5059
@garymarkowitz5059 4 месяца назад
"Don't ask what is holding down the ball in the middle of the trampoline. It's too confusing."
@garymarkowitz5059
@garymarkowitz5059 4 месяца назад
Irene is great but this is ridiculous dogma period it's a mathematical analogy. Her tortured attempts to avoid using the words push or pull. Gravity is a pushing force. Force. See LeSage theory of gravity and think about how that relates to dark matter
@voltydequa845
@voltydequa845 29 дней назад
It is not a semantic trap, it is just "instilling cognitive confusion". All this mess doesn't have to do with basic logic, let's not talk about Physics. It is implicit that Physics is about representing and understanding our world / reality. A thoughtful person cannot be but relativistic. But being relativistic such a person discards the Relativity Model because he/she would apply the Occam's Razor - choosing the simplest from the possible models (of "reality"). Between "when down to earth we are in reality accelerating" and "we are down to earth due to a gravitational force", we choose the second one since it is the simpler representation of (whatever could be) reality. Reality is what/how we perceive it, and we perceive it in a way that is easier to think about and infer laws and rules. Try to ask her to explain the acceleration and curving of space when it comes to tide moving due to the influence of the moon. Even if she / they succeed in giving an inevitable abstruse relativity curving-space explanation, they will implicitly give a proof that their relativistic model is counterproductive because excessively abstruse. The curvature of space is utter nonsense. Curved compared to what? Anyway you cannot perceive the eventual curvature. Immagine beings living in two dimensions. For them it is flat. They can live on a curved bidimensional surface seen from a 3d, but for them that curvature cannot be pertinent in any way. The same holds for the so called "curvature of spacetime" - it can eventually be seen from extraterrestrials that live in superior dimensions, but for us it is just a sophistry nonsense.
@klauswassermann8054
@klauswassermann8054 4 месяца назад
This seems profound. Still wrapping my head around it. Great way to launch the New Year. Heartfelt thanks Sabine, brilliant food for thought as always :)
@davidmudry5622
@davidmudry5622 4 месяца назад
NIST FAQ 31 - "the top of the WTC north tower came down essentially in free fall" - "as the floors fell more and more weight fell on each floor below" - in free fall? www.nist.gov/world-trade-center-investigation/study-faqs/wtc-towers-investigation
@ivoryas1696
@ivoryas1696 4 месяца назад
klauswassermann8054 It is, and back in 1915 it was a _such_ a big deal for a reason. 🧠
@davidmudry5622
@davidmudry5622 4 месяца назад
Things on earth fall only when Nothing Is Pushing Them Up... As we speak, do you feel a force on top of your head and shoulders, or do you feel a force under your feet and butt? The only way you can fall is when the force you can feel...underneath you...is removed. When sitting in a car that is accelerating forward you will feel a force of being pushed on your back, not on your chest. You will always feel the pushing force of acceleration on the opposite side of your body to the direction of the force causing the acceleration. When a force pushes on your body your body pushes back on the force, what you feel is a resistance to being pushed. In free fall there is no pushing back, you feel no forces on your body, therefore there is no force in free fall. Einstein would call the acceleration one sees in free fall apparent acceleration. Velocity is the speed that is relative to your surroundings, whereas acceleration is not relative to your surroundings. Acceleration is absolute. F = ma...and real acceleration gives mass weight, where weight is the mass resisting the acceleration.
@RobertStCyr-zh1tw
@RobertStCyr-zh1tw 4 месяца назад
Is gravity a force? Now my answer will depend on why you want to know. Lol.
@davidmudry5622
@davidmudry5622 4 месяца назад
@@RobertStCyr-zh1tw Gravity is not a force unless it's the year is 2001, especially September, and especially in NYC.
@iggydeveloper
@iggydeveloper 7 дней назад
The title confused me a lot at first, since we even call gravity "weight force" in Dutch (zwaartekracht). Wonderfully explained, very intriguing video!
@icaronunes4074
@icaronunes4074 4 месяца назад
Great video! I have one question. In the example of the person jumping from the top of a building, around 12:00, why does the person suffer an impact, a larger acceleration or something, if it wasnt accelerating in the first place. In general, how can free falls cause collisions with consequences if the bodies did not gain velocity or energy (if energy or velocity even matter in this context) ?
@user-np7ic2dh3n
@user-np7ic2dh3n 3 месяца назад
And I would have thought his speed relative to the building would change ie he would be experiencing accelerations ... ?!?
@user-bq4zk7fh1s
@user-bq4zk7fh1s 4 месяца назад
Nice video Sabine! It's so interesting that completely different views can describe facts from different perspectives. I like the beauty of the underlying mathematics and its symmetries. A paradox glimpse what space and time really are. Some facts always connecting and some doesn't fit together. So sad we will never completely understand a fractal universe.
@-danR
@-danR 4 месяца назад
Here's another perspective. I turn a teeter-totter on its side and apply pressure on one end and someone is resisting on the other end. Am I applying a force? Does the resisting party experience a force? The commonplace language of levers would say "yes". They are forces and can demonstrate acceleration, if the resistance is removed. Put the teeter-totter in its proper configuration and put a fat kid half way down and a little kid on the other end. And hold up the fat kid's end. Is the fat kid causing a force against my hands? No. Because of the Sabine youtube video effect: I'm accelerating the fat kid. I get tired of the Sabine effect and let go of the fat kid's end. Does the light kid accelerate upward? No he doesn't. Because there are no forces involved here; gravity is not a force You sit and scratch your head and say, but wait a minute... . But I've gone from the park to watch a Veritassium video: "Energy doesn't flow in wires", or something equally confusing.
@zappababe8577
@zappababe8577 Месяц назад
Dr Rohin Francis demonstrates a very good point here - it would be extremely difficult to administer CPR to a patient in zero-G. Best not to take any risks whilst you're in zero-G, like doing flips or somersaults...oh, dear...
@vonmagiernemcunddemkosmos2290
@vonmagiernemcunddemkosmos2290 2 месяца назад
Physicists still don't understand the difference between space and surface. A spherical surface is curved, but the space inside is not, nor is the space around it. Gravity and electrical charges are determined using the Heaviside torsion balance. The torsional force of a wire is used. Coulomb determined this power. Consequently, gravity and electric charge have the same origin in atoms.
@LuvHrtZ
@LuvHrtZ 5 месяцев назад
This concept is one that I still can't get my head around. As always, love your stuff, Sabine.
@vibaj16
@vibaj16 5 месяцев назад
Everything moves in a straight line when under no force. Since gravity is not a force, the Earth is under no force. So why does it orbit the Sun? That's not a straight line, right? Actually, it is. The sun's mass warps spacetime's geometry such that a straight line gets bent around the sun. Geometry itself is warped.
@rockovahsacralonte570
@rockovahsacralonte570 5 месяцев назад
I can't get my head around 1+1=3, mainly because it's not true!
@fewwiggle
@fewwiggle 5 месяцев назад
@@vibaj16 OK, but why does the floor push on me?
@D1N02
@D1N02 5 месяцев назад
Think of it as deceleration instead of acceleration and the quarter will fall (decelerate :p)
@D1N02
@D1N02 5 месяцев назад
@@fewwiggleit doesn't you push on it because you want to free fall the the center of the earth, but the floor is in your way. Your atoms do not want to be in the same spot as the floor atoms, so you are stuck in the cosmic water slide because a fat kid called "the floor" is blocking it.
@Earwaxfire909
@Earwaxfire909 5 месяцев назад
It would be helpful to explain why charge interactions are driven by a force and the differences with gravity.
@drgetwrekt869
@drgetwrekt869 5 месяцев назад
Maxwell equations are linear, and thats why they can be represented as a field of vector """particles""" (photons) that interacts with electrons and so on. Gravity apparently doesn't fit in this formalism because it is inherently non-linear and defines the same coordinates that are used for the calculations. Edit: actually even "non-linear" fields can be quantized without issues, for example Higgs or phi^4 terms. But as far as I know that's it ? Not sure tho
@josefpharma4714
@josefpharma4714 5 месяцев назад
@@drgetwrekt869 I'd say linearity (none-linearity) should not make any difference. But AFAIK: If gravitation is not a force, electro magnetic interactions are no force, too. (But this is a kind of definition only?)
@dannydetonator
@dannydetonator 5 месяцев назад
@josefpharma57.. Difference is in the origins: electro/magnetic forces have quantised matter-energy as a direct cause for forces exerted. Gravity is causing forces, but itself it's just a constant of spacetime bending per general relativity. The latter have no particles or known fields carrying or causing the forces created. It's like acceleration without an engine doing the work, while still carrying the accumulated potential energy.
@PrivateSi
@PrivateSi 5 месяцев назад
Spacetime is not a technically not a force, but gravity could be, and the cause/bits of space time could/SHOULD exert a force. Unless you believe space is empty or some nonsense like that..
@Dom-Nom-Nom
@Dom-Nom-Nom 5 месяцев назад
⁠​⁠@@dannydetonatorbut if EM forces require work, like an engine, why don't I quickly run out of energy from all the EM acceleration from sitting on top of the Earth?
@robertbrown1778
@robertbrown1778 Месяц назад
This was so much clearer to me than Veritasium's attempt on the same subject which left me confused and with a reduced will to live.
@sashimi879
@sashimi879 День назад
I didn't even have to watch his video for that
@Maiqel
@Maiqel 3 месяца назад
Are a free fall and having every particle in a system (for example, a spring) accelerated the same amount (and direction) distinguishable? I assume the spring expands because only one end of it is accelerated, and the rest of the spring is pulled by the internal interactions between its particles.
@cavesalamander6308
@cavesalamander6308 4 месяца назад
1:00 These graphs only show that all three sensors are not calibrated to '0' (have offsets typical of electronics). Sorry, this is not theoretical physics, it's engineering.
@declanwk1
@declanwk1 Месяц назад
if you allowed the accelerometer sensors to freely fall, then they would read zero during the free fall, so they are calibrated.
@Thomas-gk42
@Thomas-gk42 5 месяцев назад
Fabulous explanation, you´re an extraordinary teacher. Peace and love for you.
@SabineHossenfelder
@SabineHossenfelder 5 месяцев назад
Thanks! Wish you happy holidays 🎄🎅
@keithscott1957
@keithscott1957 5 месяцев назад
Yes, Sabine is quite a … um … force.
@Thomas-gk42
@Thomas-gk42 5 месяцев назад
@@keithscott1957😉
@VolodymyrLisivka
@VolodymyrLisivka 5 месяцев назад
She make me a lot of laugh this time..
@danielstan2301
@danielstan2301 5 месяцев назад
Although a nice explanation I feel it is incomplete. For example it doesn't explain why gravity still accelerates mass while is not a force, what happens with the body once the whole earth suddenly disappears(will it continue moving towards where it was the center of the mass, stay still or will it go towards the direction where it was pushed by the force of the surface and why is that) and a few more questions that really makes gravity seem to behave like a force. On another note, can we consider gravity as a "force" that pushed against spacetime fabric causing its curvature? 😊
@MrSaurabh666
@MrSaurabh666 Месяц назад
@sabine if an object is in free fall and if we track its motion at 1sec, 2sec etc. then how is the position of the object explained without acceleration?
@sabeehb9514
@sabeehb9514 3 месяца назад
Hi Sabine, great video as always. I have some questions that are bugging me. 1) you say Einstein said an elevator in a box with you and a spring on Earth is the same as in a rocket and indistinguishable. But how can this be true? If we actually do this on Earth you will feel nothing and the spring will not stretch. However in an accelerating rocket you will feel being pushed down and you will see the spring stretch. So this analogy make no sense to me ? 2) Not sure if Einstein explained how the curvature of space-time works. For example is it the case that somehow there are 'magically' lots of sheets or rail tracks holding up massed objects ? This is what the analogy of rubber sheet suggests, but how? Whete does this cone from? Eg is it a field of some sort (like magnetic fields create a force, is this series of 'rubber sheets' the gravitational field or something? It just seems to me that we went from unexplained action at a distance from Newton to more unexplained actions with Einstein. Is this being researched currently? 3) If an apple is falling off a tree I have seen some explanations say it is not the apple necessarily falling but the Earth accelerating upwards to meet the apple. I dont understand this. For example this explanation may work for a single apple but whete we have multiple same experiments all over the world at same time then which way is Earth accelerating now to meet every apple? Seems like we are causing the Earth to stretch in all directions? 4) if gravity truly is not a force then why does Newtons gravitational equation even work at all ? If Newton was so completely and utterly wrong then his equation has no right to work at all. It should be completely wrong. However it does work and extremely well, exceot in some cases. His equation concept is based on a force and on interacting masses. ? Are Einsteins equations very different eg do not involve mass and distance or fairly similar to Newton? 5) how can acceleration be absolute ? Acceleration is defined as the rate of change of velocity. Velocity is relative, time is relative, but somehow acceleration which is the derivative of velocity is absolute, just dont see why mathematically? Or conceptually ? For example we talk abot inertial frames in Special Relatively, and say velocity is relative. However if you accelerate within an accelerating frames at a different rate to the frame itself, why is it conceptually any different to the relative concept in an inertial frame ? Ie why wouldnt acceleration also be relative?
@BosqueProfundo
@BosqueProfundo 5 месяцев назад
I think I undestood pretty much everything Sabine said in this video, but I still don't get the most important part: The space is curved because of mass, but why would you follow the path of that curvature (towards the center of Earth) instead of remaining on the spot you are? Why follow that direction of the curve specifically? Is it because you have to assume a pre-existing movement of the object relative to (towards) the other bodies (eg. the Earth)?
@streettrialsandstuff
@streettrialsandstuff 4 месяца назад
It's not the space alone that is curved, but the space-time. As time passes, you are moved in space in a direction of a nearby object with a large mass.
@lorscarbonferrite6964
@lorscarbonferrite6964 4 месяца назад
It's because that apparently curved path is actually a straight line (or sort of one, the search term you want to look up is a geodesic) in 4d space. Imagine a 2d being walking around on a 3d curved object, like a sphere. If they plot their coordinates in a 2d grid and move around, they'll notice some really weird things about their movements. For instance, if they were to try to walk in an equiangular triangle by moving in a straight line for a fixed distance then turning 60 degrees (both measured according to their 2d grid) 3 times in a row, they won't end up where they started, as on a curved surface the angles of a triangle don't add up to 180. But to the being that only knows 2d space, there will appear to be something weird deflecting their path. Similarly, assume two of these beings standing at the equator of a sphere. They move in opposite directions along the equator at the same speed, and then, at the same time, both turn 90 degrees towards the north and starting moving north at the same speed. In flat 2d space, their lines are parallel, so they should never meet, and yet they both meet at the north pole. To them, it looks like something is dragging them towards the north pole.
@georgeholloway3981
@georgeholloway3981 4 месяца назад
I think Sabine has either redefined what acceleration means, or she is explaining to us that the common use of the word "acceleration" is the wrong one. Either way, she should explain this directly at the start (or middle, or anywhere for that matter). She does not seem to do this, however.
@JT-sv9bi
@JT-sv9bi 4 месяца назад
Exactly. Thank you. It is arguably somewhat addressed near the end, but indeed one should lead with that.
@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834
@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834 4 месяца назад
Acceleration is relative, my friend.
@woobilicious.
@woobilicious. 4 месяца назад
Acceleration is a change in velocity, there's nothing different about how she explains it here. I'm not sure where your confusion is coming from, maybe it's because you're still assuming distances and time are constant (newtons model), but the reality is that the speed of light is the only constant, and acceleration is absolute, and distances and time are relative.
@rukidding7588
@rukidding7588 4 месяца назад
@@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834 I would love to have a cousin named Acceleration, so I could truly say Acceleration is relative.
@matsogren7143
@matsogren7143 4 месяца назад
In general relativity there are only local inertial systems, that is, inertial systems that are (approximately) valid in the vicinity of a point in space-time. An inertial system is by definition a coordinate system in which Newton's laws of motion holds. Thus, these are the coordinate systems that do not accelerate. In Newtonian gravitation, there are inertial systems that cover the whole universe. For example, this means that an object in free fall towards the earth will have an acceleration with respect to such an inertial system. However it will not have have an acceleration with respect to a local inertial system that follows the falling object, and that is was is dealt with in general relativity. In Newtonian gravitation, a freely falling system will experience a cancellation of the gravitational force by a so called fictitious force that arises because the system is accelerating with respect to a global inertial system. For example, a local inertial system could be attached to a space station orbiting the earth, since the gravitational force is cancelled by a centrifugal force. An observer in the space station that does not look out, will not be aware of either force, though, and will not detect any acceleration or any gravitational force from external bodies; a fundament of general relativity is that gravitation and acceleration are equivalent. In Einstein's general relativity, both the Newtonian gravitational forces and the fictitious forces can be thought of as being absorbed into the space-time geometry. Still, the claim that gravity is not a force is rather pointless if you ask me, since you cannot describe gravitational interaction using only local inertial systems, but chacun à son goût.
@WillisLinn
@WillisLinn 2 месяца назад
Oh I love knowing new things I listen to you a lot and your smarts makes me wish that when I was younger I could have learned from you. Thank You fo promoting understanding in science!
@billmcdonald180
@billmcdonald180 16 дней назад
So... If someone 'falls' off a cliff and reaches the bottom, they don't die of "sudden deceleration syndrome" but rather die of "sudden re-acceleration syndrome"?
@bluesque9687
@bluesque9687 5 месяцев назад
This is brilliantly explained! Very lucid; however, for a layman like me this is mind shattering!! I can appreciate that you have done your best to make it clear but I am just so confused now!! I will have to rework my ideas in my head and find some answers!! Thanks!! I can't believe the ease of access to the privilege of these things being explained by a physicist of your caliber!! Love you, and love RU-vid!! ❤
@Markielee72
@Markielee72 5 месяцев назад
I feel the same. I am beyond grateful to people like Sabine, who attempt to convey complex physics to the layperson. But videos like this just remind me how little I know. 🤯
@VolodymyrLisivka
@VolodymyrLisivka 5 месяцев назад
I like how gravitational force is used to demonstrate that gravitational force is not a force because of geomethry of nothing. It's like 1 apple and 1 bannana: 1 = 1.
@BooksRebound
@BooksRebound 5 месяцев назад
Just wait until you realize that the reason things fall is because your head is moving throught time slightly (like 0.00001 nanoseconds or something ridiculously small) faster than your feet, which basically takes your flat horizontal floating line and starts curving it downward (falling) to the ground. Time passes at different speeds depending on the curvature of space time, so that's further away from the planet move through time slightly faster.
@antonystringfellow5152
@antonystringfellow5152 5 месяцев назад
I find it helps to think of space and time as part of the same thing... spacetime. After all, that's how causality works (faster through space = slower through time and vice versa). When you take time into account, everything travels at the same speed, the speed of causality (cause and effect). From there, understand that time passes slower nearer a massive object, such as the Earth. Therefore, in order to maintain the same speed through spacetime, your path must be in the direction of the slower time... towards the object (or down). An object in orbit is not travelling a curve, it is travelling a straight path through spacetime. The difficulty comes from starting off with simple analogies that are very different from the reality. At the heart of space, time, speed and the gravitational effect is one single thing; causality. It is constant everywhere and for eveything.
@ChristopherCurtis
@ChristopherCurtis 5 месяцев назад
I'm not a physicist and I've seen too many videos to recommend one, but a moment that "clicked" for me was the realization that if you see someone throw a basketball and watch it curve up and back down into a net, you are not observing gravity, but are watching the ball travel in a straight line through a curvature in time (mostly in time; space itself is "flat"). For more related videos/channels, check out PBS Spacetime, especially "Does time cause gravity". Sabine has another video titled "You move through time at the speed of light". Science Asylum has "The REAL source of Gravity may surprise you". And then, to confuse everything, Fermilab has "Is gravity a force?". Have fun!
@thisuserhasaname
@thisuserhasaname 4 месяца назад
Here's what I don't get: If the argument is that a spring in free fall does not experience acceleration because it doesn't change shape, then would the same not also be true if we swapped the gravitational field for a magnetic one? Since magnetism also works on the entire spring at once (rather than just on contact area), the observed effect would be the same: The spring keeps its shape and therefore is not accelerated. So therefore magnetism should also not be considered a force? Same with an electric field.
@pasqgrasso
@pasqgrasso 4 месяца назад
@thisuserhasaname, yes your argument is valid. Electric and electromagnetic forces are recognised as forces, but due to a lack of understanding, gravity is not seen as a force by some (which it is of course, sorry Sabine). The wider community of Physicists STILL haven't got a clue what gravity is. They must discard Einstein's theory in order to move forward. He was very good at describing effects, but he was not good at identifying causes. This is a major issue with General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics - cause and effect are divorced, which has led to misunderstanding. We will never make leaps forward if we do not get past this paralysis.
@187nemesis3
@187nemesis3 4 месяца назад
Who says a spring has to be made of a material that can be affected by magentism?
@DanielSamaniego-of5xl
@DanielSamaniego-of5xl 4 месяца назад
Gravity is the bending of spacetime in a 4th conceptual medium per Albert Einstein it's an effect not a force. (Pseudo math formula for a conceptual medium) This replaced Newton for mass does not attract mass i.e. 🎈 ☁ Not 1 single scientific (natural phenomenon independent variable and dependent variable) experiment has even been conducted to prove Gravity!
@jasonsutton4415
@jasonsutton4415 4 месяца назад
If you were to experience being pulled by a magnetic field (say you were wearing a suit of steel armour) you would feel the force, when in free fall you feel nothing. Oh and electric and magnetic fields are the same thing.
@QuasiRandomViewer
@QuasiRandomViewer 4 месяца назад
@@187nemesis3 Who says Dr. Hossenfelder's spring has to be made of a material that can be affected by gravitation? ;^)
@steevoy9966
@steevoy9966 4 месяца назад
Very interresting, could u explain about the recherch on the graviton?
@sergueigoussev491
@sergueigoussev491 4 месяца назад
Great indeed. Now the famous "Black square" by K. Malevich could be surely considered as illustration of the scientific equivalence principle in Fine Arts. The part about pressure from inside the Earth is my favorite.😂.
@alexneigh7089
@alexneigh7089 5 месяцев назад
4:57 Unless the spring itself has zero mass. It would be a clearer illustration if a weight is attached to the other end of the spring, and the spring's mass is assumed to be zero.
@HughCStevenson1
@HughCStevenson1 4 месяца назад
And for a non-massless spring the extension proportion (strain) of the spring is not uniform. The end that is attached extends more and the free end extends 0, proportionally, right at the end, because there is no mass attached to the end. It seems to be shown as uniform in the animation...
@andrewm9425
@andrewm9425 4 месяца назад
Why would you assume a massless spring for this discussion?
@alexneigh7089
@alexneigh7089 4 месяца назад
@@HughCStevenson1 Yes. In effect, it measures (the manifestation of) weight, and it would be more intuitively clear if weight is attached to the spring rather than the non-uniformly distributed weight of the spring is measured with an additional complication of changing distribution when the spring extends/contracts. In simple terms, when you use scales, you do not determine the weight of the scales, but the weight of the item whose weight you try to determine.
@junaidsajid8867
@junaidsajid8867 5 месяцев назад
Another highly inspired video. Thank you for teaching us how to think scientifically :) peace and love
@Thintastic
@Thintastic 16 дней назад
@4:09, what exactly means "would freely fall in the curvature that it itself creates". So does it fall or not? I'd love to hear a more detailed explanation of that part of the video.
@Bob4golf1
@Bob4golf1 23 дня назад
I've had a lot of exposure to Einstein's work but this particular one violates my physical experience and teachings. At 73 I've had a lot of experience with being in touch with mother earth and this view requires a significant adjustment to ones thinking. Thanks for this interesting lesson.
@hamzahbakouni6208
@hamzahbakouni6208 4 месяца назад
Wonderful analogy and presentation. As a fan of physics I may please ask whether the illustrated example of falling into a blackhole without noticing anything, may apply specifically to smaller objects and maybe in context of bigger blackholes in order to limit the tidal effects, as spacetime curvature may vary between adjacent points. Thanks. 🙏
@peterromero284
@peterromero284 5 месяцев назад
This was great, Sabine. Another thing that would be interesting to address would be, why does curved space time cause objects to move?
@soyosunset
@soyosunset 4 месяца назад
Same problem. The bowling ball on the trampoline illustration is used to explain the reality behind our naive notions of how gravity works. But the illustration makes sense to this naive person only because it implicitly shows a world with an up and a down and a bowling ball that goes down, just like our naive ideas about gravity say it should. This seems circular and evasive. I am very willing to accept that there is no way of explaining physics to ordinary naive people such as me. You can't teach even Aristotelian physics to dogs or goldfish -- why should we imagine that all people can understand Einstein? If something can't be explained, that's the end of it -- a pretense of explanation accomplishes nothing.
@Gingnose
@Gingnose 4 месяца назад
Because mass also causes the time of curvature not only space curvature. Every object in this universe is moving with 'a speed of light' as GR says and that makes the object move towards mass as if there's a force but this is just a visual illusion. Since we can only visualize 3D space, we cannot recognize the axis of time dimension. But it is still there although we can't see. The Earth causes the time curvature and time moves slowly as you get closer to the Earth. Since we're all moving in the time dimension with a 'speed of light', the delay of time which is closer to the Earth side causes you to move towards Earth. Space curvature works likewise but it is only relevant when the two objects have the motion vector that is different from the axis between the two objects (if two objects aren't just free falling to each other but moving to other direction as well).
@ValeriePallaoro
@ValeriePallaoro 4 месяца назад
it doesn't. I think is the answer. f=ma is the math to explain the movement, gravity is the explanation for how they move.
@douginorlando6260
@douginorlando6260 4 месяца назад
Maybe the only thing moving is space, not the object …🤯
@calinculianu
@calinculianu 4 месяца назад
Something something rotates you with respect to time but not space or something. The Science Asylum guy did a good video on this.
@treahblade
@treahblade 3 месяца назад
This is a great video as you see gravitational force everywhere in science media all the time. I think people just have a hard time wrapping there head around the fact that normal space is not curved but space near earth is and how that would actually look like. The marble on rubber is a good visual aid for 2d space but then trying to translate that into 3d space can give people trouble. Another interesting thing is when you think about when spacecraft use a planet's gravity well for slingshot maneuvers. Where does the energy come from if gravity is not a force that can give the spacecraft more energy then when it started with? I know the answer to that one but curious if others here do :)
@HADDEN67
@HADDEN67 2 месяца назад
Doesn’t the box and spring stretch when they enter the black hole as space is getting bigger one end in comparison to the other ? Or does this depend on the frame of reference you observe it from ?
@todddembsky8321
@todddembsky8321 5 месяцев назад
Wonderful Channel, Incredible Host, Makes learning fun again. Thank you Sabine for a wonderful channel. Wishing you and yours a wonderful Holiday Season.
@dougdupont6134
@dougdupont6134 5 месяцев назад
As a programmer making a hard sci fi game and not a physicist, it's a little scary trying to advance a theory of gravity without knowing what I'm talking about. A character in the game says that if you only perceived in 2D but approached a 3D hill, you would experience it's effects as a mysterious pull (or push as the case may be). I was especially concerned that I was only moving the goal posts on this one. Nice to see I might not be so far off. Thanks for the great explanation!
@juliavixen176
@juliavixen176 5 месяцев назад
Well in the case of a two (space-like) dimensional manifold with intrinsic curvature... or extrinsic curvature as a hill in a three dimensional embedding space (with no time-like coordinate) What happens to two 2D creatures walking in straight parallel lines a constant distance apart from each other, when they encounter the hill, is that even as they continue to walk straight, the distance between them will change. The 2D creatures might interpret this as a mysterious force that is moving them either closer or further away from each other... but there is no force... they are not actually accelerating... they are still on straight line inertial paths and feel no force... but the distance between them is changing because the space between them is curved. This is General Relativity... it's just like this except in a 4D Spacetime (so the time interval between events can also stretch and shrink, and it will look like things are mysteriously changing velocity without accelerating, but it's actually just spacetime curving).
@dougdupont6134
@dougdupont6134 5 месяцев назад
@@juliavixen176 Yeah, I'm a programmer and writer of fiction trained academically as a philosopher, so I want to write stories and craft games with a meaningful and accurate portrayal of science on characters that are digestible to regular people. My limited understanding of physics can be frustrating in that endeavor, especially since I know enough to know that I don't know anything (as Plato would say). It seems like what you wrote essentially confirms that my example might be a meaningful and accurate portrayal. I appreciate you taking the time to explain it better than I can. I hope you don't mind that I might borrow some of it.
@MrGemaxos
@MrGemaxos 5 месяцев назад
@@dougdupont6134 Dont be frustrated, if you go down the rabbithole its like a Hydra. Every answer makes a few new questions and in the end you are rarely understanding, but you are still just realizing that there is more and more that you dont understand. (youd still be in platos place) In my Opinion its a good thing, it leaves more room for the fiction :3 if not, wouldnt it be just science? I have read so many good books with physic that dont work out. But without the "wrong" physics you couldnt tell the story. Jules Verne for example. With correct physics as Dogma most of his storys dont work out and you would have a very hard time to find a possibility to tell a similar story.
@eVill420
@eVill420 5 месяцев назад
That's really cool! So it can be imagined as falling into a Whirlpool and streching like spaghetti
@voltydequa845
@voltydequa845 29 дней назад
@@juliavixen176 I liked you other comment (though I do not remember what it was about). you say «when they encounter the hill, is that even as they continue to walk straight,» It is a hill for you, looking from outside, from a superior dimension, their "walk straight" from from 3d pov is not "walk straight" from their 2d pov. Their "walk straight" would put them to walk with constant distance between them, but could present some other "irregularities", like the impossibility to maintain the same distance while walking at the same speed. I usually use the example of 2d to try to show that there's no way 2d's can imagine seeing them from a 3d, or that they should be that conformist to buy into an abstruse 3d model if they already have some another explanation that is simpler. The main point being "Man is a measure of all things". What "exists" is the representation of the "reality". While the abstruse and overcomplicated curvature of the "reality" should be left to parrots.
@domrogg4362
@domrogg4362 5 месяцев назад
Merry Christmas Sabine! 🎄🎅🌌🌟
@SabineHossenfelder
@SabineHossenfelder 5 месяцев назад
Merry Christmas to you too!
@zbaktube
@zbaktube 2 месяца назад
Thanks for teaching us the Spring Theory! 🙂
@mejseln
@mejseln 8 дней назад
😄
@lisalesinszki7536
@lisalesinszki7536 Месяц назад
My daughter and I like to share interesting facts with each other every day. I will send her the link to this video because I never knew that I was accelerating upward. 🤓 Thanks, Sabine! New subscriber.
@JoachimJacob
@JoachimJacob 4 месяца назад
Finally, I was always wondering the acceleration i felt on this earth, without things moving. Thanks.
@kabongpope
@kabongpope 4 месяца назад
General Relativity was such a breakthrough, it's quite amazing after all these years
@pholdway5801
@pholdway5801 4 месяца назад
General Relativity is much more fun than Corporal Punishment
@kabongpope
@kabongpope 4 месяца назад
@@pholdway5801 both can lead to Major Issues!
@petergroves3153
@petergroves3153 3 месяца назад
@@pholdway5801 Chacun à son goût.
@silvergreylion
@silvergreylion 2 месяца назад
None of the theories of relativity define an absolute rest frame. WIthout that, how do you apply the light speed limit to any inertial frame?
@darkgreenmeme
@darkgreenmeme 2 месяца назад
It seems like a semantics argument. As a human observer, we usually experience a "force" transmitted through the electromagnetic force, which keeps up from passing through other objects, as you point out. Hopefully physics will come up with a better description of gravity, but it appears to me that the "force" of gravity is caused by entities with mass tend to want to go towards each other such that "time" (another nebulous concept not fully explained by physics) passes at a slower rate compared to space further away from other entities with mass. The ultimate goal of any mass is to move towards the event horizon of a black hole, where time appears to stop in this universe. The Cavendish experiment does measure something that appears to be a force.
@ejc636
@ejc636 7 дней назад
Thanks Sabine. I have a number of your books. I'm a physics graduate so maybe I can understand most of your concepts.
@lrvogt1257
@lrvogt1257 5 месяцев назад
One of the great things about the TV series "The Expanse" is how important acceleration, deceleration, and rotational simulated gravity are to the entire series. Spaceships are built like skyscrapers rather than ocean liners. They accelerate to keep everyone on the floor for half of a journey then flip the ship 180º around and decelerate for the second half so we see the rocket's engines firing towards the destination. Too rapid a change has obvious dire consequences. Spin gravity on larger ships usually provide 1/3 G. In one scenario people injured in a sudden deceleration had to get to the spin gravity ship so the simulated gravity would allow their wounds to heal. Very smart stuff.
@metube6859
@metube6859 4 месяца назад
Thank you so much for finally making this clear to me! I've spent years trying to understand why the upward acceleration of the Earth did not allow me to spring into the air and fly!
@mt7able
@mt7able 3 месяца назад
If you are perpetually “free-falling” into the black hole and there is no force acting… what causes the probable spaghettification? Falling towards earth only hurts/is fatal once you collide with the accelerating earth. So is it actually possible to survive falling into a black hole? This is a legitimate, searching question. Thank you Sabine!
@kurtwinslow2670
@kurtwinslow2670 2 месяца назад
Not a physicist by any means and I'm only repeating what I heard. As space\time gets squeezed the matter is said to be a singularity. Now I haven't a clue as to what this means. They use the term singularity at the big bang. Also, as much as I understand things, the Plank length is the smallest that energy\matter can go with any meaning.
@declanwk1
@declanwk1 Месяц назад
Sabine was describing falling into a very large black hole, for which the gravitational field is uniform over short distances. You could cross the event horizon without realising it. If you fall in a strong gradient, different parts of you fall at different rates which causes the spaghettification.
@user-ry6yl6hs8i
@user-ry6yl6hs8i 9 дней назад
Before high school physics I thought Albert E adapted his math because spent a lot of time and energy walking around hilly terrain. He just naturally thought in terms of curved landscape. Then since inertia and gravity seemed so similar I thought everything must be expanding. Now this!
@danielbateman6518
@danielbateman6518 4 месяца назад
I think when we imagine (or even physically hold) a spring or slinky it becomes easy to see. We just have to change our perspective of what is acting our applying force. When the slinky sits in a pile on my hand with no gaps between the coils, because my hand is applying acceleration pushing it up. If I hold it from the top coil and it opens up into loose coils, it's because of my hand applying acceleration holding it up. If I drop it (and we imagine wind resistance and air turbulence having no effect) it will go to a position where it's neither fully compressed, nor under tension being stretched out. Additionally, it would be straight, the coils would all be in line, whereas if I went back to holding it, with one end in each hand, the middle coils would sag, because of the acceleration applied by my hands. If I apply more acceleration by lifting it above my head, the sag would be greater while I moved it. And if I suddenly pushed it towards the ground, the bend would be upwards rather than downwards. Simply put, the sag/bend in the coils is opposite to the direction of acceleration.
@rustyspygoat4089
@rustyspygoat4089 2 месяца назад
I love my wife, but she is so bored of this. She rather watch tick tock and facebook shorts .. women ☕
@alikifahfneich
@alikifahfneich 5 месяцев назад
Thank you for making such great videos about Important and debated Topics!
@dbracer
@dbracer День назад
Took a shot for every time Sabine said "Gravity is not a force". Now I'm definitely in free fall.
@chrisrobertson778
@chrisrobertson778 4 месяца назад
Question, in order for there to be Mass to bend space the atoms would’ve needed to be attracted to each other to group sufficiently, since most of the suns and planets in the universe were created in the first few billion years appears to me that there would be insufficient time to create the universe if gravity only relied on bent space????
@hu5116
@hu5116 5 месяцев назад
Great video Sabine! Two comments. First, I’m with you on the whole gravity is not a force. BUT, then there are really only 3 fundamental “forces” (interactions if that is the preferred term), and then there is no need to quantize gravity, because gravity is not a force. This would explain also why it has been so hard to do. Second comment, it would be very good to get your take on the time causes gravity (or visa versa) discussion in many RU-vid videos. There have been counter videos on this as well, which is why I think you weighing in would be a great arbiter. Thanks!
@S.L.S-407
@S.L.S-407 4 месяца назад
@hu5116-Sabine already did a video on does time cause gravity.
@dhruvvikrant
@dhruvvikrant 4 месяца назад
Does time cause gravity? Need a video on this pls!😅
@hu5116
@hu5116 4 месяца назад
@@S.L.S-407ok thanks! I guess missed that one so need to track it down.
@michele3900
@michele3900 19 дней назад
Floatheadphysics channel has a video to help visualise this rather neatly, he uses paper cutouts to show how it's the bending of time that causes gravity
@harrykirk7415
@harrykirk7415 5 месяцев назад
I used to say that gravity was a force, but that was back before I started describing everything in terms of curved space time coordinates. Before when I did something like building a wooden shed at my job I would say crazy stuff like " this shed must be built strong to resist the force of gravity acting on the building materials and potential occupants". It was so confusing!!! Now I just layout the whole building in curved space time coordinates, and all the confusion just disappears!!! All the workers on the job site can clearly see that the building is accelerating upwards and there are no gravitational forces at all. This is fantastic!!!! Thanks, Einstein and Sabine!!!
@every1665
@every1665 5 месяцев назад
If the shed collapses soon after being finished, most builders will gently point out that you accelerated it upwards too fast. Nothing to do with inferior materials or construction methods.
@mikegale9757
@mikegale9757 5 месяцев назад
@@every1665 Not sure if that argument would stand up in court. Engineers are supposed to anticipate the unexpected and build in some safety margins. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition of course, but come on. Look at my shed. It's in ruins!
@mikegale9757
@mikegale9757 5 месяцев назад
Quite. There's no force pushing you down, but that doesn't mean you're not going to fall when you remove the force which is pushing you up. It's not entirely incorrect to refer to the latter as the force of gravity. It's just semantics. The force due to gravity would be more accurate.
@Krokodil986
@Krokodil986 Месяц назад
​@@every1665 that's what I tried telling them 😢 Just like that time when they accused me of punching that kid. Little do they know, atoms never touch So no I didn't punch him
@Krokodil986
@Krokodil986 Месяц назад
​@@mikegale9757 it would be as correct as saying that the centrifugal effect is a force, which can simplify things a lot in certain cases
@saurabhmangal6322
@saurabhmangal6322 14 дней назад
Such a nice explanation of a complicated (well not anymore) concept. I remember seeing Veritasium's video on this topic but I remember I understood much less.
@imperfekt7905
@imperfekt7905 Месяц назад
Sorry if this type of question has been asked already. I imagine it's difficult to describe a phenomenon that involves 4-dimensional spacetime since our brains are evolved to perceive reality in 3 dimensions. I'm interested in the concepts of "falling" and "internal pressure." But mostly falling, since that's what we perceive to be the effect of gravity from our naturaliistic point of view. If a mass of atoms in any configuration is not near any other such mass (near being an admittedly vague word), is the mass "falling?" Is it falling toward the nearest other mass which deforms spacetime the most with respect to the location of the mass? If the mass is between two other large masses, in such a position that each large mass distorts spacetime to an equivalent degree with respect to the small mass, what happens to the mass? Does it stop "falling?" Does it undergo some type of acceleration?
@edwardlulofs444
@edwardlulofs444 5 месяцев назад
Yes, exactly. But after 300 years of Newton saying gravity is a force, and only 100 years of a deeper understanding from Einstein, it’s still difficult to understand and believe. But I know it’s true. This might be the best video you have made this year.
@cherubin7th
@cherubin7th 5 месяцев назад
Also in school you learn Newton's gravity, not General Relativity.
@DanielCheng
@DanielCheng 5 месяцев назад
I don't know, but it's Einstein redefining things without giving it a new name..
@brothermine2292
@brothermine2292 5 месяцев назад
Also, just because acceleration can be measured (with an accelerometer), that doesn't imply it can't be deduced by observing its (relative) velocity and applying Newton's equation for acceleration ( a = dv/dt ) as we were all taught to do in high school.
@pootthatbak2578
@pootthatbak2578 5 месяцев назад
Sabine shut me up..i cant seem to absorb any of this lesson
@edwardlulofs444
@edwardlulofs444 5 месяцев назад
@@DanielCheng yes that does happen. Sometimes I wish life was more simple. But I want the truth.
@PedroPedruzzi
@PedroPedruzzi 5 месяцев назад
Thanks, Sabine! You know, I've seen a bunch of intro GR videos and I got everything that's explained. However I still miss a graphical exemple showing how the curved spacetime causes mass to fall. I know non accelerated matter follows geodesic paths but how geodesics can be free-falling ones?
@Gunni1972
@Gunni1972 4 месяца назад
The "Gravity is not a force" theorem(eme). Acelleration is only absolute to it's starting point. NOT TO CURVED SPACETIME EITHER.
@DazzaOnGoogle
@DazzaOnGoogle 3 месяца назад
Thanks you so much for this Sabine. One of your earlier videos about this topic, which had a simple "gravity is not a force" and the raw explanation has been used by flat earthers as evidence of their position. This fully qualifies what you meant, and removes one more "justification" they can pull out of the bag
@jacksourlis4151
@jacksourlis4151 2 месяца назад
Hi Sabine Could you tell me where I have gone wrong….Let’s say you take the case of the train and flashing lights and put the flashing lights one up high and one on the floor in a rocket ship with Alice. Have the rocket ship accelerate upwards constantly the light basically blue shifts from bottom to top which is opposite of what the gravitational potential does. Now as the rocket ship comes into a landing back on earth it now shifts as the gravitational potential does. Would this not indicate a difference to be noticed between acceleration and gravity thus a flaw in the equivalence principle in this scenario? Try drawing the different scenarios out as I did one just considering acceleration up and down and another scenario of just using gravitational potential (which would not matter if going up or down as it is always red shifted upwards) curious where I have gone wrong. Love your videos
@narfwhals7843
@narfwhals7843 2 месяца назад
"the light basically blue shifts from bottom to top" That is not correct. Light sent from the bottom to the top will arrive red shifted as the rocket accelerates away from it while light sent from the top to the bottom will arrive blue shifted as the rocket accelerates into it. Just like in a gravitational potential.
@northvegassailrabbit3642
@northvegassailrabbit3642 4 месяца назад
Very informational, I'll need to watch this one a couple of times for it to sink in and I've had undergraduate level Physics, although I was not that good at it.
@briancrowther3272
@briancrowther3272 4 месяца назад
Me too. I ended up teaching it at high school pre uni level when earth science is my natural go to ( a geology, physics, physical geography comboned hons degree). All high schools find it hard to get physics teachers. I eneded up doing it for 35 years and got better and better at it. It is a great topic am still learning, both the earth science and physics (a politics BA as well).
@simba995
@simba995 4 месяца назад
Sabine…one of a kind. Another great tutorial.
@rolandlastname5532
@rolandlastname5532 Месяц назад
great talk! One of the pitfalls is to think all the time relative to our earth. Just imagine being "in space", far from a reference object like earth. It would be hard to measure your velocity. Velocity relative to what? Earth? But earth itself is running fast around the sun. And our solar system is in orbit through the Milky Way, etc. This way I am starting to get the picture of relativity
@Soulshine77
@Soulshine77 3 месяца назад
brilliant. thank yo Sabine. They say that satellites are always "falling toward the earth" but are "moving too fast to hit the earth". I'm gonna rewatch this and try to map out a more correct and precise explanation.
@plumtree1846
@plumtree1846 5 месяцев назад
At 2:00, could you expand on what you mean by 'pressure'? Is the curve of space/time causing atoms to accumulate in one place. The atoms get close to each other to the point they push off of each other thus causing 'pressure'?
@harmless6813
@harmless6813 5 месяцев назад
The pressure is due to the forces holding atoms and molecules together.
@awesomedavid2012
@awesomedavid2012 5 месяцев назад
Yes. The atoms inherently follow this path which brings them together. Then, the electromagnetic force takes over and electrons push eachother apart by exchanging photons. This creates that pressure. On a continued note, if you have a dying star that is massive enough, this pressure creates by electrons can break down until the electrons collapse into the protons and produce neutrons. This is how you get a neutron star. Then, the strong nuclear force keeps the neutrons apart by exchanging particles. If that is still overcome, then the neutrons collapse a black hole
@MrClivesinger
@MrClivesinger 4 месяца назад
Nice video! I teach this material to undergraduate students, and must admit i sometimes use the wrong terminology in the moment. I would say that I think your black hole animation may confuse some viewers who have heard of spaghettification - though i understand why you might have wanted to avoid the complication that two ends of the same object can be travelling along diverging spacetime paths and get stretched. Perhaps that's another video for another time!
@oddarneroll
@oddarneroll 4 месяца назад
Good point, idk if i understand your point about spagettification, maby you can help me underastand this betterr? What about equliliance principle in a box resting on a massive small object, in my head you chould measure a change in direction of accelleration across your box? And what about the theorised graviton particle, can you have a graviton particle but no force? All suggest gravity being a force, no? If quantum gravity theorems look at gravity as a force, is not quantum theroy really more fundamental (and therefore, closser to truth) than general relativity? If gravity is a force in quantum gravity, is it correct to say we know gravity to not be a force? im confused.
@KaiVieira-jj7di
@KaiVieira-jj7di 4 месяца назад
@@oddarneroll Gravity is not force by direct measurement and measurements of other parameters that determine if the gravitational field cannot/(can) exert a force (the Local Lorentz violating parameter, β, for example). To date all measurement confirms that absence of a gravitational force, and this is independent of any theory. The graviton further demonstrates that the gravitational field cannot produce a force as the massless spin-2 field we associate with it reproduces the Einstein-Hilbert action and the Einstein field equations in the appropriate limits. What the virtual graviton field does (assuming it exists for the moment) is communicate the curvature, the curvature over which particles would travel along their geodesic paths.
@raymondlines5404
@raymondlines5404 4 месяца назад
What book do you use for undergraduates? And does it go into simple dynamics examples like Sabine did in this video?
@MrClivesinger
@MrClivesinger 4 месяца назад
@@raymondlines5404 It's quite a surface level introduction in a UK University 2nd year module called "Fundamental Forces" (and yes I do stress the irony regarding gravity not being a force!), where the majority of the year long module is spent on electromagnetism and the nuclear fundamental interactions. On the quick intro to gravity I go through a number of thought experiments involving a little doll of Einstein in a little elevator flying through space. My favourite part is explaining gravitational redshift :)
@darkpheonix77
@darkpheonix77 4 месяца назад
What is the definition of "force" then? Its never stated in the video. I was actually thinking about spaghettification, or conversely an object long enough to mesure the difference in "gravitational interaction" on each end. Would that not show an acceleration?
@loqumotive
@loqumotive 21 день назад
Great video as always. I thought the definition of force was anything that can cause acceleration (which is ultimately also acceleration but atomic scale). By this definition anything that causes you to accelerate is a force and so is gravity. I am now wondering so how force is actually defined.
@billn8555
@billn8555 2 месяца назад
As you fall into a black hole even in a box, the space time is not equal inside the box, there is always a gradient relative to the masses around you. The gravitational gradient increases exponentially as you get closer and closer, eventually the force between your head and feet will rip you apart. The gradient will continue to get greater up to a point where even your molecules will be shredded.
@k1m6a11
@k1m6a11 2 месяца назад
I had exactly the same thought, and was shocked when she claimed that "nothing would happen". I'd very much like for her to explain this apparent contradiction, but I guess that's unlikely.
@hitdrumhard
@hitdrumhard Месяц назад
the time gradient is slower closer to the mass, so wouldn't you squish instead of shred?
@audunskilbrei8279
@audunskilbrei8279 Месяц назад
There are no forces. I think to an outside observer you would stretch. But yourself wouldnt notice. I admit my grasp on this stuff is very tenuous so I’m probably completely wrong.
@a.thiago3842
@a.thiago3842 Месяц назад
@@audunskilbrei8279 She said that a singularity might not exist. Here she never said it was a real black hole, just a well you would fall into. So in this case, if you were inside the box, you wouldn't feel anything.
@Krokodil986
@Krokodil986 Месяц назад
​​​​​​@@k1m6a11 I'm not an expert but I'll give it a go When you move thru space (relative to the black hole, bh) you follow a geodesic. So the bh sees you moving towards it and you see the bh moving towards you. Nobody accelerates: you don't accelerate towards the bh and it doesn't towards you. So why are the metres between you and it decreasing at an ever increasing rate? Because mass warps time. Your legs are closer to the bh's mass, so time for them goes much slower than for your head. When the gradient gets so ferocious, the difference in experienced time and aging becomes very noticeable. This results in your legs experiencing less ticks (time) for each metre that is lost between you and the bh. So your head would see your feet rush forwards, because your head's ticks are much closer together than your legs' ticks are. So we've concluded that less time passes for the legs per every metre that you approach the bh. Less time per metre is equivalent to more metres per time. This is why it looks like the legs will rush out from underneath you and you'll be spaghettified @audunskilbrei8279 @hitdrumhard Please help if I've got something wrong
@njhoepner
@njhoepner 4 месяца назад
I just learned something I knew and didn't know at the same time. I knew that gravity is curvature of space-time and thus not a force. I hadn't realized the part about acceleration, even though I'd read Einstein's elevator thought experiment. Thanks Sabine for putting it all together for me!
@davidmudry5622
@davidmudry5622 4 месяца назад
The Titan Sub imploded from water pressure. The Sub had tons of water above it, and it imploded. The 3 WTC towers had tons of air above them, but they stood for 30 years. I'd say that there was more weight force pushing down on the towers from the air pressure that was above the 3 WTC towers, than from the Space Force pushing down. Question to Dr. Michio Kaku, "space force pushes us down to the ground?" YT video - Professor Michio Kaku admits gravity does not pull things down. But then he says, "Space pushes you down in your chair." ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XsusXmoAV7k.html
@scottmcshannon6821
@scottmcshannon6821 4 месяца назад
gravity is not a force, does not accelerate you but when you are on a planet you are accelerated. gravity is not a force, but you are always accelerated when in a gravity field.
@davidmudry5622
@davidmudry5622 4 месяца назад
@@scottmcshannon6821 IF YOU TOOK AWAY THE ONLY FORCE...WHICH WAS THE WTC 9/11 STEEL BELOW...ONLY THEN CAN THE STEEL ABOVE FALL. YT video - Michio Kaku we lied to you, gravity does not pull down. TY video - Gravity does not make things fall. YT video - World's Largest Vacuum Chamber YT video - Why Gravity is Not a Force YT video - Accelerometer in Free Fall (he talks about gravity's pull, but then says objects in free fall have no force acting on them = no pull) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XsusXmoAV7k.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GuLL_upE4zk.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-E43-CfukEgs.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XRr1kaXKBsU.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RbAuCuLD1Ac.html
@aldobrezenti
@aldobrezenti 4 месяца назад
​@@scottmcshannon6821 When you are in a freefall within a gravitational field, you are not accelerating.
@ivilivo
@ivilivo 4 месяца назад
I understand less now, even if my previous understanding was wrong.
@SALESENGLISH2020
@SALESENGLISH2020 5 месяцев назад
This is the most useful 15 minutes I have spent on RU-vid. Thanks, Sabine.
@jacmkno5019
@jacmkno5019 4 месяца назад
I feel this video needs a follow up about what's really going on with this internal pressure. This means from the perspective of spacetime you are continuously moving upwards in space time, but the curvature of spacetime precisely counteracts that movement so that you remain "still" relative the the surface of the planet which is also moving upwards due to the internal pressure of earth? Is this a correct interpretation?
@jacmkno5019
@jacmkno5019 4 месяца назад
Can we really talk about upwards or downwards in this context?
@MA-iridium
@MA-iridium 4 месяца назад
Hello, greetings from a layman here who admires you and your videos, thank you for your work!
@randelbrooks
@randelbrooks 5 месяцев назад
Wonderfully spoken and difficult to comprehend. Merry Christmas Sabina and everyone else!
@randallnewcomb
@randallnewcomb 5 месяцев назад
Our household always looks forward to the bits of humor that you embed in each video. Knowledge AND entertainment - a great combination.
@TerribleShmeltingAccident
@TerribleShmeltingAccident 4 месяца назад
Agree, she delivers with such eloquence too!
@SevensWorld-up4xg
@SevensWorld-up4xg 4 месяца назад
So I must've missed it, as I always seem to, every time someone explains how gravity is a geodesic distortion of space, not a force... but by what physical [phenomenon; effect] does aggregate matter/mass accrue the *shear influence* to cause space to distort as described? Thanks in advance.
@117Industries
@117Industries 4 месяца назад
Exactly where I get hung up, and why I end up thinking it’s a force after all.
@weylinstoeppelmann9858
@weylinstoeppelmann9858 23 дня назад
This gives me a headache because if a rocket is trying to accelerate but is anchored in place you're not gonna be, like, pinned against it, so the idea that the earth is accelerating in every direction yet motionless is weird. If we were standing on the surface of an infinitely expanding bubble, THAT applying a force makes sense, but if it's being held back then it's not applying a force.........
@scilencium7178
@scilencium7178 5 месяцев назад
Sabine, everyone is repeating that there is no way to distinguish free fall in a gravitational field from absence of any gravitational field. But recently I found some papers about the velocity dependence of the free fall "acceleration" (name it as you like, you know what I mean). This velocity dependence would allow experiments with high speed particles in a closed cabin which would definitely enable the observer to distinguish these two situations ...
@harmless6813
@harmless6813 5 месяцев назад
Name the paper(s).
@__christopher__
@__christopher__ 5 месяцев назад
You mean like the Coriolis force is velocity dependent? So how would the experimenter determine that it's not just that the cabin is rotating?
@mikenewey3949
@mikenewey3949 5 месяцев назад
If two bodies are falling in a gravitational field won't the distance between them reduce as they get closer to the centre of the earth? That wouldn't be the same as an absence of gravitational force where the distance would remain constant.
@AlmaBuru
@AlmaBuru 5 месяцев назад
>distance between them reduce No, it won't.
@__christopher__
@__christopher__ 5 месяцев назад
@@mikenewey3949 Yes, it would. But if the box is small enough, and the time of measurement is small enough, the relative movement will be too small to be measured.
@ericrose419
@ericrose419 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for sharing this, Sabine. The discussion of the equivalence principle really helped me to understand why physicists talk about gravity as a force even though it is just an artifact of the structure of spacetime. What I still don't understand is why people keep trying to come up with a 'theory of everything' that unifies the electromagnetic, strong, and weak forces with gravity when gravity is not, in fact, a force like the other three.
@paulhaynes8045
@paulhaynes8045 5 месяцев назад
Exactly! It really bugs me that physicists (of all people) labour under the idea that 'nature' is neat and tidy, when there is absolutely no evidence for this - for instance both pi and e are irrational numbers. I've always enjoyed imagining how frustrated the discoverers of pi must have become, when their increasingly accurate measurements of pi failed to prove that it was exactly 3! And here we are , thousands of years later, still expecting things to make sense to our primitive monkey brains...
@AndrewBlucher
@AndrewBlucher 5 месяцев назад
​@@paulhaynes8045I enjoy imagining that you imagine that the discovererers (!) of pi imagined that it could be three. Or maybe I'm imagining that.
@danielstan2301
@danielstan2301 5 месяцев назад
But there are a few more things that makes it look like a force , not just this principle. For example it doesn't explain why gravity still accelerates mass while is not a force, what happens with the body once the whole earth suddenly disappears(will it continue moving towards where it was the center of the mass, stay still or will it go towards the direction where it was pushed by the force of the surface and why is that) and a few more questions that really makes gravity seem to behave like a force. On another note, can we consider gravity as a "force" that pushed against spacetime fabric causing its curvature? 😊
@undercoveragent9889
@undercoveragent9889 5 месяцев назад
It is nonsense to think that spacetime can be warped without the application of a force. Try bending or stretching any other 'object' without the application of a force.
@AndrewBlucher
@AndrewBlucher 5 месяцев назад
@@undercoveragent9889 Nonsense!
@wu1908
@wu1908 4 месяца назад
Love the lesson with the quizwithit! added level of fun~
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