@@spyrosvergos4232 Δεν είναι μόνο στα νοτιοδυτικά και φυσικά δεν έχουν καμία σχέση με τους Έλληνες της Αυστραλίας. Στα Σκοπια δεν είναι Έλληνες μετανάστες, αλλά γηγενείς
@2005defender LOL. Is that why the name Macedonia was not unsed in northern greece till 1988? Or there is one map of Macedonia being greek before 1913?
Of course Spain is one of the most loving countries to us Greeks, they won the match, we congratulate them with the bottom of our hearts, we are all brothers and sister, and sports is just a game at the end, and the challenge is here with love, not with hate! we love you Spain, you support our Ancient Greek Macedonian heritage, we are all together in the European Union forever, Viva le Espana! and Viva la Grecia, Ellada and it's Northern Province ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ ;-) forever
No I don't ... we both know the issue about the name of my country! And I was really curious if you would let that match live streaming on TV like you did for all the rest matches... and you DID! That game was a live stream, unfortunately I didn't record it. Lucky your friend did.
so we're talking about a country (Skopje) where most people dont even have to eat but they still dream they can be called Macedonians, that their rightful borders are inThessaloniki, being constantly misled by their political leaders. theres not much more to say. this must be one of the very few nations that truly do not deserve to waste the precious oxygen of this planet. they will always be Skopje.
@ElectraofMaced0n excuse me madam, which history, since you fall for this issue you have no clue about the human history, tell me who were the first people, from which tribe they were, were they macedonians or greek or jews, or they were just Humans.
@ElectraofMaced0n then my dear I have no more to talk to you, I offered you a sincere friendship, but you continue to argue with me, and my question is not of topic, the topic is history of some people, but I'll ask you tell me how were the greeks born where did they came from?
I can see by your comments you are nervous and I am glad :) If you don't want to accept our identity it doesn't mean we don't have it. Instead of defending your dignity, you are loosing it with this stupid dispute. Let us be who we are, there is no other way.
@FlyingWarrior08 What were the first people he conquered when he took over the world? Second when did the term hellenic age come to be used? By the way i still have not seen one Map of Macedonia being greek before 1913. I am home been there since the start of time. I can go back to my family fighting the turks way before you came from africa. Guess where my great great g/father was fighting the turks? In Egejska Macedonia!! No need for me to go anywhere!!!
2. ..."Do we destroy these myths or live with them? Apparently these 'radical Slavic factions' decided to LIVE WITH THEIR MYTHS AND LIES FOR THE CONSTANT AMUSEMENT OF THE REST OF THE WORLD!!!" (T.J. Winnifrith, British academic, "Shattered Eagles, Balkan Fragments", Duckworth, 1995)
@ElectraofMaced0n btw ty for explaning me for the name of Ellada, when I was a kid I used taht name more than greece, but Yugoslavia regime tought us to call you Greece
You are then Hellenic visitors on a 19th century macedonian land :) If I understand you correctly, you don't have problems to call us Republic of Macedonia if we say ancient macedonian history is greek, right?
I believe you should name your province any Macedonia you like if you want to separate it from us. Even if you don't want to do it, it is ok with us, we don't mix in your internal matters. Just don't make us change something sacred - the identity. And about the ancient history, it is part of the tactics, you will see it.
You must understand one thing - we can not call ourselves with any other name then Macedonians, that would not be us. It is clear enough we are slavic nation and have no relations to greece and greek macedonians (which are basically greek) at all. Btw, we do have a lot of monuments from ancient Macedonia on our teritory - the guides don't hide those are monuments from the hellenic period.
@ElectraofMaced0n after all the comments and conversations I came out with one conclusion only, while two fights the third takes the advantage, so who the 3rd is , why are we letting this to go on, people who share the land should not let to torn it apart! In LaK'ech Ala K'in
@Bellegr that american player is technically as macedonian, btw half the team in this tournament have american players and once again, Macedonia 72 - Greece 58, MAKEDONIJA ZA ZIVOT
i want to add something here.when they call us greek its just part true .greek comes from the word greko a hellenic race from thessaly ,hellenic race like makedones and others so its more correct to be called hellines
Well, if we managed to persuade so powerful nations to go beyond truth, we must be extremely smart and you must be extremely uncapable in defending the truth. However, it is not the case - they all know ancient macedonia and modern macedonia are not the same.
I am glad you saw it! Did you enjoy it as well? So now you guys are Macedonians and greeks. Gee I had no idea you could be italian and french as well unless one of your parent came from each country. But you are half right. 1/4 of the real Macedonians did win. I heard on the greek team there were some players from egejska Macedonia And since we see them dancing to Macedonian and not greek music 1/4 did win. Well we dont have the $ u guys have LOL if we took other peoples land/people we may win 2
@ElectraofMaced0n because Alex knew more that we will understand, because His idea was not to conquer the world but to create 1 country so there to be peace among the people so not to be arguing like we do, accept my friend invitation I would like to discuss more some time on other issues, 'cos I would really like to tell you what was my point why did I started the comments in first place, and you will know this true 'cos if you have read few then you've seen that I trying to be reasonable.
Albanians (22%) talk albanian, no doubt. But we don't speak bulgarian. It would not be a shame to admit it if it is true, but it is not. What greek macedonian language you talk about? I can imagine there is a dialect in your Makedonia, but it is just a dialect, not separate language.
I will tell you how it will be - we will remain Republic of Macedonia (except for greece, call us anyway you like) and we will gradually turn to future instead to antics. We will give up something we don't care much about to keep the most important things - name and identity.
@ElectraofMaced0n fact 3: no man is put in jail for taking bulgarian citzenship, if someone told you that then that one lied to you I have many friend who took that BG pass just to go to EU to work with, no one haven't quit their native citzenship, not yet ;)
How fool can you be to believe that?! If I had the video clip... would I cover only half of it until 2:10? No! I would edit the whole clip and cover the MKD for the whole duration of the clip! Why would I discredit myself by doing mistake like that? The truth: The guy that posted this clip barely knows video editing. The match was a live broadcast on TV and your national TV didn't notice it until it was too late! That is why it was not covered until 2:10! THAT IS WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ! ! !
@thegreathistorian7 btw yes it is, do you know that mitochondrial dna is non changing, mtDNA is inherited solely from the mother and it's stays the same for thousands of years, so yes it can be way to prove it!
I don't know how to explain to you that ancient things are not the core of this dispute. The real reason for the dispute between our nations starts in 1913, not 3000 years ago. How can we destroy something ancient when it doesn't exist anymore? What is so hard to understand that if ancient macedonians were all greeks, the modern macedonians are not? I don't need to look back 3000 years ago to say I am Macedonian.
@thegreathistorian7 we claim nothing but that we are or we are not, we live in the land of Macedonia, and as the afro-british can call them selfs british or not to mention USA, it is what greeks claim, they say he is a greek, well greece exist as such as today under this name for a 150 and some years, there was always city states, while Macedonia has always been a country, it's natural for the different tribes to live this peace of land, just count for how long and under how many rulers has been
@thegreathistorian7 Reign of King Otto, 1833-1863 Reign of King George I, 1864-1913 this are the rulers of so called Greece, 'cos this are the families that named it!
@thegreathistorian7 well actually you even might be? what makes you Greek? Who invented Greece, who was their ruler (german) so the great historian have forgot the history just 150 years ago, and yet he talks about almost 3 tousand years
1. " 'Macedonia' (FYROM) was also an attempt at a multicultural society. Here the fragments are just about holding together, although the cement that binds them is an unreliable mixture of propaganda and myth. The 'Macedonian' language has been created, some rather misty history involving Tsar Samuel, probably a Bulgarian, and Alexander the Great, almost certainly a Greek, has been invented, and the name Macedonia has been adopted." ...
@ElectraofMaced0n we fought together strarting against persians, romans, otomans, nazis, well fight again side by side, but we will naver accept one another, why?
the skopjans are using the name and the word Macedonia so often mostly for make first of all themselves to believe in their "macedonian" nationality...How pitty...for a nation with only 90 to 100 years of history
@ElectraofMaced0n aren't you proud enough that he had spread the hellenic language and culture remember Greece by that name is found in the beginning of the 19th century by the German and British powers or western powers and messed up everything so instead to be friends you and are arguing now, peace.
@ElectraofMaced0n if he saved you from the persians then have you asked yourself why did your people betrayed him and his father to the persians and that is well known fact from the worlds history, btw I have more respect abuot hellenistic teachings then the modern scholars and religion teachings, thinks are too messed up so we to fix them, why not to leave them as they are and start as neighbors as friends btw the bilderbergs are the ones that created modern greece and gave its name and messed
@thegreathistorian7 M The ancient Macedonians were a distinct nation, ethnically, linguistically, and culturally different from their neighbors. Their origins are in the ancient Brygian (Phrygian) substratum that occupied the whole of Macedonian territory and in Indo-European superstratum, which settled here at the end of the 2nd millennium. Archaeological evidence shows that old European civilization flourished in Macedonia between 7000 and 3500 BC
