Greed is destroying this game : Enlisted 

Not surprising, same thing here. Nobody would touch it because they knew what was behind it.

im having the same problem and i dont blame them at all, gaijin will gaijin you eventually

They also ruined it by combining the campaigns. One of their main selling points was historical accuracy, and combination screwed it.

​@@__chevytrucks__ It can be fix, but the higher ups only wants money not fun.

Warthunder gave them ptsd lol

Nice name you got

Its insane. You download the game and join a match and boom you are fighting machine guns with bolt action and your choices are grind for 20-100hours to get proper squads or pay money. Then you complain about it and the subreddit starts screeching about it not being pay to win at all just grind hundreds of hourz to get good weapons for 1 team

@@jebu5660in the base game (idk about the steam version) they changed it to where gear is divided between tiers of 1-5 where if you have gear tiered 1-2 equipped you get put into tier 1-2 matches and if you have gear tiered 4-5 equipped you get put into tier 4-5 matches and tier 3 can either get uptiered or downtiered. still not perfect but now you wont get sent to high tier matches unless you equip a high tier squad or vehicle

​@@AcceptableAsGenerallyDecent I remember is tiers 1-3 not 1-2, so new player will need to use t1 weapon aganist t3 machine gun, that's why all my friend got bad experience, fighting multiple squad full with sub machine gun constantly while you are a new player is painful.

@@mushroomsauce4640 yeah it is tiers 1-3 but it is also tiers 3-5. i don’t disagree with you tho, it could be annoying and it would be a pretty easy change to make weapon research faster and cheaper

Unsuccessful?

@@reedy_9619 a pay to live game

Yeah as shit as WT is right now what Enlisted does is leagues worse.

​@@AsG_AlligatorNot by any stretch of the imagination.

No, I have played both and as bad as Enlisted is, War Thunder is worse. Enlisted has easier to grind events and tech trees. The iconic stuff can be unlocked quite fast. You don't lose money from playing. Wake up War Thunder has no competition, it wouldn't make any sense for Enlisted to be worse.

Man it must suck to be in a room and only find enjoyment from looking at a wall all day. It’s ok I’ll buy the Eratz next.

@@Thedude4777-gh1lj Hahahaha

Hopefully I'll join you one day in quitting. Right now WT is one of the only games I enjoy.

@@JeffreyEpsteinberg-hx8ds hopefully one day it'll have competition!

What is your pfp from? I feel like it’s Blame! Or claymore

I hope that $4000 USD was worth the crippling of their own game.

And i think steam takes a 30% cut so they really only got $2800

@@Professional.AmericanWhatever Gaijin can do to make a buck I guess

They wanted a yacht while they got only 30 years old car and a buried game.

That's funny

Its not reasonable either lol

Wait what? I've been playing WT for four years now and it's turned into the shittiest grindfest only beaten out by the likes of Diablo Immortal. Enlisted is WORSE???

​@@ashman8891i don't think so

@@ashman8891 I've put in about 200-250 hours with premium as the Germans in Enlisted and have completely finished their tech tree. In War Thunder I've put in over 500 hours and am not even done with a single tech tree. Now granted I'm actually good at Enlisted unlike War Thunder but still.

​@@ashman8891i put in elisted at least 400 hours and i almost completed 3 tech trees

Yeah, Stalingrad killed it. The new micro transactions and silver were just nails in a already buried coffin.

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those were the 2021 days, right? I remember them adding a 3rd campaign (Berlin I think) and I thought it was peak.

@@rodrigovb1 Ye, Berlin was the 3rd campaign, I remember playing beta, then Tunisia. But days with only Moscow and Normandy were the peak.

@@bolek1792 yeah, thankfully I played before the addition of Berlin, I felt the game was getting harder after that.

Or it withers :(

The snail has no appendages that allow for creation or improvement. Only a foot that oozes an acidic slime that decays.

Yeah, they've managed to find a balance between monetization and gameplay in war thunder. Enlisted is just unfun without paying

*alot of the time it is unfun, but it's still super fun sometimes

Yeah I lived it when I played it a few years ago. I'd happily play it on steam if they added BRs to it. Edit: and was free on steam

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Isn’t battlefield and hell let loose and squad all similar or way better than enlisted. I tried enlisted 1-2 years ago it felt so clunky and shit.

@@ursensitiveinagayway4016 yep. Theres nothing like war thunder, there are many things like enlisted

@@Manchweld I was probably dumb and didn’t see you basically implied what I said. There definitely needs to be a war thunder competitor.

You should probably rephrase that to "Do they have what Enlisted has? Yes. And they don't cram micro-transactions down my throat."

@@fusrosandvich3738 i mean, they dont have what enlisted has, enlisted has very unique gameplay that i dont think ive seen anywhere else. What i meant was “they get close enough”

They can make community posts saying they are "actively taking feedback and listening to the community" all they want, but they will only listen when the player base protests on a large scale😹

What really bothers me is that the first roadmap for War Thunder was actually pretty good and made the economy less grindy, now you can actually play as a F2P player and be in constant surplus of Silver Lions, plus it came with some very nice QoL changes. I was looking forward to see deep changes in the current state of the game and a brand new direction where Gaijin would finally listen to the community and tackle for one and once core issues of the game. Then the 2nd roadmap dropped and it's just miscellaneous changes and some minor QoL additions. Massive community outcry and the 2nd roadmap has not a single significant change except for a bonus for researching new nations (Which was delayed from the 1st roadmap). I have 3500 hours in this game since I started playing in 2018, almost exclusively as F2P. I stopped playing around three months ago and I can't get myself motivated to play this game anymore.

@@davidclevesguzman3397 I'm in a similar situation, about 2000 hours on record and I have been playing since the game was only planes, but now I feel a deep sense of dread just upon opening the game. Gajin has abused it's community so badly, almost every update feels like a regression to me and it has felt this way for awhile. I remember criticizing the night vision update before it had even come out as a way to increase stock grind and strongarm people into buying parts just so they can see, and I was laughed at, now they've literally all but removed it from the game because of how unpopular it was, I find this to be an excellent example of how Gajin does its updates, they don't fix things, they only add bandaids on top of problems they made for us instead of removing the problem all together, and I have gotten very sick of it.

​@@davidclevesguzman3397Just here to remind y'all the volumetric shell update that screwed up the entire penetration mechanic was released about 4 years ago, still not ONE sign they even *want* to fix it

And even then they gave us HALF of what was asked for. We asked for free FPE with an upgrade that lets it cool down quicker and stop fires quicker, we got a single use FPE (Thanks, most people use APHE anyway) and a single use Parts before you unlock the right of repairing your vehicle at will. There is nothing more upsetting than starting a roll of kills and then someone shoots out your cannon and you're done for the rest of the match because no one in War Thunder is a team player and Gaijin have NEVER encouraged team play, neither with their crappy game design or their crappy outsourced map designs. You can tell the people who are paid to make the maps dont play the game because the maps are not designed for tank warfare or aerial warfare.

Why can't you throw salt at the snail?

I need da new body pillow, just a weird process :(

remember, premium account is not for money, its for not drying so fast

@@Leaked1ndex This snail's salt is you not playing.

I don’t like the body pillows so guess what I simply don’t buy them. Man crazy how that works huh? When you don’t like something don’t buy it.

I was just gonna comment about Easy Red 2, such a cool game and altogether its like 20 bucks for the base game and the 3 dlcs.

You know one thing though, the fact that products like Enlisted and Overwatch 2 are struggling so much does kind of give me hope. Hope that people are finally just fed up and done with micro-transaction filled crap-shoot games. There's a general trend of improvement in the industry, I feel.

I wish their games never exists. All I can think is that they can one day be completely gone and the world wouldnt have much difference. Prolly better since u dont have to deal with military docs crap.

As a monkey myself the only Gaijin game I will ever defend is War Thunder. There are some undefendable things about that game but it's so much fun and so much pain I just love it.

I’m going to keep being “that guy” until they provide a product I won’t support. Maybe the fact that there’s more of us then there are of you says a lot more about you then it does people willing to spend money on a good game like this one. If you really want you can always go back to playing CoD. I certainly won’t miss you.

@@Thedude4777-gh1lj there most certainly is not more of you. You are called whales for a reason. It says more about you that you’re literally gagging on it rn, straight up leaving the sheets soaked in slobber

Greed is good though.

@@shatterscape For the pockets of the managers, not the entertainment of the fanbase

@@shatterscapeJewish?

@@Thebigem You sound like a third worlder wagie

and yet they're still up and running. why is that?

Well it's like my ex's used to say. Size doesn't matter. Cheers though, welcome to the club.

It is war thunder for soldiers.

Literally. It's war thunder with infantry

Though I would argue there already was a ftp WW2 Gaijinesque experience called Heroes and Generals.

​@@berenhamilton3321 Yes and it was terrible

Same here. I managed to get four Thompsons maxed out during that era, with parts and such.

I miss enlisted before that stupid merge

Oh yea hell-divers is pretty good.

Tuniza sucked in my opinion,it was to flat for my taste,I like more vertical terrain like in Berlin

Axis had much better tanks there. But nobody was playing them it was a dead campaign do you really want to grind bots every single match?

@@Dregomz02 what are you talking about?

I mean, it had fun bolt-action gameplay, but unfortunatelly barely any players. Moscow was fun before they made the soviets op af.

It remind more of Star Wars Battlefront 2 ... which memory is way more sinister.

The snail fears the Brazilian

Another LATAM player here... ive never spend a single buck on this game and I almost always ended 1st or 2nd on the parties. You dont need no pay to have fun, or win. If you suck, you will suck even paying. The P2W sqads and tanks are just a pain in the ass for a while, just because the P2W players dont usually are the best at playing.

The only good reason to spend money on the game is for the permanent extra squad slots, which for some reason are locked behind premium accounts. 🤔

Can i play with you? I’m Brazilian and kinda new to Enlisted, but i did get 150 kills with T-50 today and won the game by myself, if you want to join me say your nickname.

​@mike-alpha1942 Enlisted isn't much of a pay to win. It's worse. It's a pay to progress, just like fucking War Thunder. You grind one trillion hours or pay 60 bucks for easier grind. We Brazilians are aware of this kind of shit and we just grind the game regardless, but so help me God if they increase the grind...

AI generator made those achievements. Devs doesn't even play their game.

Iv been doing the same and Iv yet to hear a point that had even the slightest bit of factual info in it. Hey guess what the uniform thing yeah you don’t have to buy those and AND guess what you get uniform orders for free for just playing the game. No one is point a gun to your head and saying buy the SS uniform in enlisted from Hugo Boss

The sad thing is that the merge could've been so simple. Just take the old system and make levels carry over betwen campaigns. And yet, they managed to mess it up...

​@@Thedude4777-gh1lj bro go suck the snails taint in your basement like the bootlicker you are

If they dont even listen to testers i can just tell how much they listen to the community😹

The steam release was part of it, but that there's a much broader issue related to general greed that's really what's holding the game down.

Well then you’re making an extremely good squad ONLY accessible on one platform… I say they refund everyone who bought the steam version, re release it free this time and maybe cosmetic exclusives? But I wouldn’t really enjoy (being a ps5 player) fighting constant paratroopers because steam gets it free then it’s unbalanced even worse than it already is.

I don't understand the issue with it on steam. You go to their site and download it. Its nothing special

There shouldn't even be a membership to begin with, but they know it will sell, and it's easy money

I'm ok spending money on war thunder because I play it a ton and I know that, without such silliness, nothing like this would ever exist. I'm a bigger infantry/gun nerd than I am a tank nerd, so I REALLY wanted to love Enlisted. But it's just not the same as war thunder. Not as good, doesn't have as unique stuff as War thunder does.

@@superfamilyallosauridae6505 That's the sad part really, Looks like I would love Enlisted but the greed is just too much and that is coming from someone who puts up with War Thunder's and Crossout's greed. Did quit Crossout though

​@@rammywarrior4033ignore him. enlisted is still a fun game.

why did you capitalize each word

Only thing in the way of the snail is we LATAM players who play the game regardless of the absurd grind. They fear us.

Based Italy player

I'm the exact reverse, I grinded everything in Enlisted for free, ever since the first week or so of launch I had been playing. Originally I had played War Thunder, back in 2015 I picked it up, and found the grind to be miserable once I reach 6.0 - 7.0, especially with Tanks using solid shot AP & half the pen value of it's APCPC counterpart. Likewise I found it to be painful for Air, after I grinded Japan / Germany / Britain to the 5.0 - 6.0 range it just became mind numbing. Regardless I can't justify the things Gaijin are pulling, charging $50 just to be able to fly the FW-190 D-9 in Enlisted is highway robbery when I can fly it for free in War Thunder & with only week or two of grinding from reserves. Likewise for using a Churchill III, I wouldn't spend $60 just to drive it in-game, when the exact same model of tank is available for free in War thunder yet again. Either way, the grind for both games are ridiculous, and shady tactics to get people to spend money on vehicle/gun models you already have in a different game running on the same (or close to the same) engine is just... wrong.

true I mean like $50 on a single purchase within a game is ridiculous in and of itself

​​​@@Outclassed2011War Thunder is somewhat now "managable". It feels like a free to play game (and f*ck you if you want to progress above Tier 4),but the state of the game is much better compared to a year ago (before the boycott). I remember having a premium account (very cheap on Xbox in my country during sales is basically 2500Huf/7 bucks for 3 months) and even with that i had to skip vehicles (A4B,F2H2,Tiger 2's etc) because of the insane repair price. I don't even mention "simulator" mode where i had to pay 20k sl for spawn in my F105D(i reached the bottom since) and tooked around 20-25 minutes with premium account to get back my spawn cost. And good luck staying alive. However i looked at enlisted too,but i can say War Thunder is less greedy. You want a winter camo? Get X kills with this vehicle. You want an ace crew? Get X research point and you have it for free. Okay there are some skins(i don't mention marketplace skins this time) which is only for $,but those are usually like the "Victory Day skin for the T80B" etc. What i can recall is the bushes,but an MG solves that by now. I'm not gonna lie,but i'm lucky with the platform/country when it comes to war thunder. Since i managed to get talismans for 3-4 bucks which equals a 60$ premium vehicle sometimes and yes after almost 3000 hours i still play and got almost every vehicle i wanted 😂 However in my opinion still War Thunder is in a much better state than ever before. If they implement the rest of the stuff from the roadmap then we will have a much easier grind. Only thing they need to do is not add any new vehicles to the game,but make a big update called "quality of life". Wt still got a lot of potentional even luring hardcore simulator players to the game,but gaijin doesn't have any logic tho and sadly the same greed appears in the their other games. I would just buy a gamepass and play Hell Let loose

Yeah same here. The merge looked promising but was handled rather poorly. I really enjoyed playing my favourite theatres with the appropriate weapons. Now it's a lot less immersive somehow.

@@VengineerGER im Happy im not The only one! I wish i could still choose to join only The certain theaters of war, i wouldnt mind waiting For couple of minutes to Be able to play only Tunisia For example, or only Berlin.

It's Stalingrad 80% of the matches no matter Br you play it's making me want to uninstall this game since I'm tired of pressing desert button 3 times in a row. I want more Tunisia and Moscow not more crappy Stalingrad. If you play as Soviets of Br5 then you most likely already lost your mind by playing only Berlin Stalingrad for eternity

@@Dregomz02 sounds like horrible existence. I hated The Stalingrad maps The most

Same, I never liked the idea of the merge and it went as well as I expected, I miss pre merge enlisted

True, the campaign added some charm and balance, you shouldnt worry about panthers meeting up japanese garbage or italians having to meet T-34 with no means to defeat it if they just never meet eachother in the first place. But no, they fucked enlisted just as much as WT overnight.

No fucking way they added the paratroops from super mario bros, truly the Nintendo lawsuit of all time(/j for the idiots who need this for some reason to recognise satire)

proof that the war thunder community is winning against gaijin step by step

@@comlain2513the power of greed vs overwhelming autism and or schizophrenia

@@fluppet2350 true

War thunders monetizasion is fair by perspective.

you can play and enjoy war thunder to its fullest without paying, have decals, skins and vehicles without paying, get premium vehicles for free during events and selling them for better ones and so much more compared to what enlisted puts behind a paywall

​@@foxy-48514Eats the crumbs like the good consumer that you are

WT doesn't lock iconic tanks like Matilda, Churchill, Firefly, Chi-ha, Pz3n with heat behind a pay wall.

@@foxy-48514 yeah just grind for 10000 hours to get to the top tier and grind inhumanly grindy events to buy something cool

Enlisted in-game 32 vs War thunder in-game 60.790

The difference is warthunder has no competition. The in game players numbers have been up to 270k players and three years ago that was at like 80k at 8am.

War thunders monetisation isn't great but it's better than enlisted. War thunder has way more things available for free if you just do some grinding, enlisted has bad mobile game monetisation. War thunder devs do actually listen to the community too, somewhat.

@@sigstenbockgard8080 There is a premium aircraft you cannot buy in war thunder, unless you buy another premium aircraft. You can only buy so many crew slots for free, after a point it starts to cost GE. The more crew slots, the more vehicles you can bring into battle (except for naval, or air RB). And if you think the devs listen to the players.. you must be joking. The only times we can actually force them to change something is when they get review bombed into oblivion on steam, or they get boycotted into submission

@@jackgamer6307 Not sure what the first example is supposed to prove, that plane isn't anything special it's just a goofy little gimick. Not sure what your second point proves either since you also need to pay money in enlisted to get all your slots. And did you forget we're comparing war thunder with enlisted here lol? i've been playing war thunder for 5 years and enlisted since it came out, they're night and day when it comes to listening to the community