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This video is a demonstration of different CQB tactics utilizing Green Beret tactics. The purpose of this video is to show the implications of the choices you make in a CQB environment , and give users the opportunity to make the best decision.
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@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 3 месяца назад
The link to my new channel is in the description of this video. All my content will be there from now on. I appreciate everyone who helped me build this channel.
@MikeGloverActual
@MikeGloverActual 6 месяцев назад
Interesting take. I didn’t invent the technique, as I stated in your cropped video I was taught it. I was taught this as someone that’s done team CQB in various organizations. I like many of the members of GRS/CIA from various backgrounds of SOF, thought at first glance it was very odd and seemingly silly. But after learning the technique over two weeks of isolation in various scenarios and as a singleton, I thought-well at least we have a technique. As single man CQB isn’t taught. The men that taught us were from all backgrounds and had more operational experience in the job and we trusted their take. The techniques you’re demonstrating don’t take into consideration multiple threats in a hostile circumstance, nor real behavior of role players. The nature of your video albeit short in nature because of the platform don’t explain things as we were taught. I appreciate the analysis, maybe you should take this up with an entire organization teaching this for over a decade, that are also operating in harms way.
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
I appreciate the comment. I worked with what I had. I clipped out the parts not related (necessarily) to the actual tactic itself…It would be a 30 min video of watching something not related to the points I tried to make. As I stated it’s not about you…it’s about ideas and information. I realize by providing parts of the original video there’s no way around it feeling that way, but I tried my best.
@antherthalmhersser7239
@antherthalmhersser7239 6 месяцев назад
Class
@MikeGloverActual
@MikeGloverActual 6 месяцев назад
Also… open invitation to come on my podcast and to my place in Utah and do some knowledge sharing. I’d also like to show you the entire methodology from the GRS vetting and training course to see what you think.
@MikeGloverActual
@MikeGloverActual 6 месяцев назад
@@Forward_Conceptsunderstood. Look when I went to vetting I was with unit guys, dev, SF, rangers, I was an SF SGM in 19th at the time… we literally looked at each other and said wtf. When we were told to go into the warehouse and rescue the hostage (case officer) alone, there was a lot to cover-upper level. Hallways, intersections, opposing threats, etc. when I had a case officer connected to my back and tried to get him out I was shot to hell because there was a lot to cover. The tactic albeit not perfect gave us the opportunity to rapidly move and engage threats. On several runs I remember (ten years ago), all of us coming out and going, dang it works. Again, it’s for a specific mission set, GRS-our jobs was typically alone or in twos and saving case officers in a worst case scenario. Just giving some context… like I said I don’t want to further divide a genre of humans that are greatly divided. These things we need to communicate about, share information, agree or agree to disagree and be better from it. Love your content. Keep doing you. If you want to come out hit me up Mike.Fieldcraft@gmail.com
@swatlover16
@swatlover16 6 месяцев назад
Mike glover I knew that was you from that damn hat 😂
@eenzyme898
@eenzyme898 6 месяцев назад
The position that Mike introduced we called it “Rifle retention position”. No matter what rifle position you like, this is the most effortless position you can possibly have that still has the muzzle point to the potential threat. Cqb is never just one room. It could be a whole factory or an entire floor of a hotel. I know most of you guys are tough, but you will have a sore arm at some point eventually. So this technique has usually been used when you are isolating the threshold while your teammates handling stuff inside the room to save you some energy but still being alert. It's really good to see people disscusing different tactics. And the more you learn, the more you will know what tactics are most reasonable to use under what circumstances.
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
Yeah holding On a threat area for a while or multiple floors of an office building it could certainly be a viable option in place of the best option because may the best option has become a non option
@KH-rt3ef
@KH-rt3ef 6 месяцев назад
@eenzyme898 Well-said.
@Terran0va_Plays
@Terran0va_Plays 6 месяцев назад
I may be mistaken but I’m pretty sure Christian Craighead, Obi-Wan Nirobi, talked about using this when he had to clear that hotel building for hours on end.
@JohnZ556
@JohnZ556 6 месяцев назад
@@Forward_Concepts I noticed both of you are demonstrating inside of some sort of public space, where it looks way more spacious than inside a typical house with doors 29-30" wide. I guess the 'best method' would highly depend on the specific situation, and often has to be retracted when you are entering a 29" doorframe from a 42" hallway.
6 месяцев назад
Green berets, Seals, and Marsoc would sometimes have to clear city blocks in Iraq which could take hours on nighttime raids. Nobody can hold up a rifle for that long especially in kit.
@christopherwoodssr204
@christopherwoodssr204 6 месяцев назад
As a Marine vet and active police officer, I follow you both and appreciate the professional interaction of the post on each others views.
@KarlHungus.
@KarlHungus. 6 месяцев назад
DJ's display of this tactic has been 100% meme gold. And for that, I'm very thankful to Mike.
@ballinonabudget1130
@ballinonabudget1130 6 месяцев назад
DJ is the type of guy to call the police and have his black employee arrested for stealing a package that is actually in his own desk drawer. Then fire him because he can’t look him in the face every day after doing such a thing. Look at this dudes real track record. IMO POS.
@KarlHungus.
@KarlHungus. 6 месяцев назад
@@ballinonabudget1130 to be fair. He'd probably have you arrested regardless of race.
@awol333
@awol333 6 месяцев назад
@@KarlHungus.yeah he will probably even throw his own son under the bus for another 40 of ❄️
@KarlHungus.
@KarlHungus. 6 месяцев назад
@@awol333 calling out facts is one thing. Spewing out statements like this just make you look like a hater. Comfortably hidden behind your keyboard I might add.
@JesusChrist2000BC
@JesusChrist2000BC 6 месяцев назад
​@@KarlHungus. Shipleys reputation is in the toilet after multiple incidents now either calling the police on friends and employees and also stealing artwork from Slades daughter and abandoning his own son. This is all on record. He isn't going to sleep with yu either so stop glazing him.
@rc-pm1fe
@rc-pm1fe 6 месяцев назад
I teach all 3 methods to our swat guys over the shoulder, under the arm or coming through already with eyes over sight. I got the opportunity to train a day with will chesney and he was an advocate of under the arm when going through the threshold, but he was aware of both techniques, under thr arm and over the shoulder. What i teach my guys is if you criss cross or button hook often you will have to break your rifle down one way or the other. But if they center check or check center for their entry method and they position their back close to the opposing side of the frame of the critical corner they are about to dig out as they enter, you can go smoothly through the frame of a door with the rifle up and head just above sights. I demonstrate this with 16in rifles and the butt stock fully extended. But it takes practice and proper footwork to move it through the theshold correctly. Great video and explanation. You and mike both demonstrated your points well. Time and place for everything, and often the best technique is the one you train the most, but its always good to have more tools in the toolbox.
@heartandmindovercome3214
@heartandmindovercome3214 6 месяцев назад
🔥👍
@rc-pm1fe
@rc-pm1fe 6 месяцев назад
@@terryduffield5860 generally speaking if you are going through the threshold by collapsing your rifle doing a criss cross, you probably pied or panned across the threshold prior to entry and saw most of the room from the outside prior to entry. So more than likely if you do engage, you are engaging during your pie across the threshold. Most guys bounce to the far side of the door frame when they are engaging if also being engaged. If there is a threat that is scene in the threshold and the officer has the drop on the threat or ahead of the ooda loop, they often engage while outside the threshold similar to a center check and then move in after the threat is down or going down. More often then not if they engage a center threat on force on force they go through the threshold hold and immediately clear the most unknown corner in a center fed room and then collapse their sector of fire back to the room. Center check usually allows almost no rifle collapse due to the style of entry. In law enforcement in CQB their is rarely multiple shooters in the same room unless your training specifically multiple shooters in a hostage situation. If it's HRT you are using NFDDs and other distractionary devices or methods and moving through the threshold as quickly as possible and getting to multiple points of domination on the suspects to get depth and angles and multiple angles of fire. Most of our guys if they do collapse are generally going over the shoulder and punching out. As long as they are going over the shoulder correctly they can still engage a threat without ever acquiring sights as most CQB distances are 7 yards or shorter.
@TheGreatDrAsian
@TheGreatDrAsian 6 месяцев назад
Sometimes advanced techniques break the fundamental rules a little bit. Like jazz. But also like jazz, you have to actually know what you're doing, otherwise you're gonna fuck up real bad.
@jordanfrancisco27
@jordanfrancisco27 6 месяцев назад
I love and study Jazz. You just hit the right note on the right chord at the right time. 🤌🤌🤌 Thank you, Sir! ✊
@dankim3716
@dankim3716 6 месяцев назад
This is an artful explanation. Love it man
@wongkeebs4327
@wongkeebs4327 6 месяцев назад
Regular office guy/civilian here so feel free to ignore my opinion. I did a few runs with the under arm and over top short stock with my 16in rifle. I found short stock to be the easiest and most comfortable technique. The two main things I disliked about the under arm is how restrictive my body gets when trying to maneuver the rifle as the rear of the gun is sandwiched to my side. Short stocking allows me to use both hands to gimbal the gun as needed whether it is to avoid bumping into things or to get through a threshold. The 2nd thing is due to my weapons and my arms length I am bumping into the doorway during my attempts to expose as little gun-before-body on entry. For example, if I am trying to clear left corner, I could be a bit left of the doorway on entry and my left forearm hits the doorway, or I'm a bit to the right and my elbow/stock hits the doorway. The only option then would be to enter more at an angle instead of already facing your body towards the corner before stepping in. Short stocking brings in my arms and allows me to curve the gun around the doorway easier and making entry smoother. My 2cents.
@garde1257
@garde1257 2 месяца назад
this stuff is meant for you brother, some guys in the military (from SOCOM to POGs) sell this stuff but then make fun of people that use it. No, this is for civilians to learn how to keep people around them, and themselves safe, you keep rockin' on brother.
@user-bd8js4ow7j
@user-bd8js4ow7j 6 месяцев назад
I love the analising every detail and possiblity logically, asking yourself if it would really be the best approach in each situation, not just repeating the "common sense", simple content yet rare.
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
Yeah that’s the idea…so many good ideas are never accepted by egos
@woohoo2you966
@woohoo2you966 6 месяцев назад
@@Forward_Concepts egos also have a bad way of reacting poorly to constructive criticism as well. Challenges to an idea aren't necessarily ad hominem attacks yet many times they are received (and responded to) in such a way. Ideas are great, discourse about said ideas are even better. Two way street. So many times we only expect the other party to listen ;)
@simonsundy518
@simonsundy518 6 месяцев назад
Short stocking and under the arm high ready is a solution to the problem of trying to fit a rifle through normal sized threshholds while keeping your hips and plate facing the uncleared corner.
@LRSSkySoldier
@LRSSkySoldier 6 месяцев назад
Also to note, Mike seems to have a 14.5 with a suppressor making the length overall much longer than the review/demonstration. Though, using an sbr with suppressor to simulate length in the demo review. Having the rifle already shouldered would likely get caught up with the added length.
@simonsundy518
@simonsundy518 6 месяцев назад
@@LRSSkySoldier I was trying with my 16 inch barrel with no suppressor last night. If I keep it shouldered, and keep the muzzle oriented toward where I want to go, I can't fit through any of the doorways in my house.
@LRSSkySoldier
@LRSSkySoldier 6 месяцев назад
@@simonsundy518 we’re on the same page for sure.
@JohnZ556
@JohnZ556 6 месяцев назад
@@simonsundy518 Common house doors are often 29-30" wide. Even a suppressed MK18(k-can, stock extended 2 clicks is over 32") won't be able to fit through when completely sideways. You would need something like a Rattler or X95 SBR to do that. So yeah, the longer the rifle, the more you will have to work with all the retracted techniques, plus the earlier you will have to stick your muzzle into the room as you are pivoting. For using a 16" rifle in common residential you will likely need to both retract the rifle and stick the muzzle into the room just a tad earlier when you're entering. Often you can't aim down sight when you have to enter a door in a tight hallway. That's exactly why something like MK18 with K-can and loaded with appropriate ammo is so valuable in such a situation. A 16" AR (stock extend 3 clicks for handling) with regular-sized can is ~40". A Rattler with Woflman-short is ~28". So techniques aside, I hope you have something more CQB-oriented than a 16" AR.
@simonsundy518
@simonsundy518 6 месяцев назад
@@JohnZ556 you simply reiterated my point
@chrismorris5604
@chrismorris5604 6 месяцев назад
In the instruction mike was simply making the observation of someone being able to grab the gun and retracting that would give u the ability to break shots from the hip while simultaneously coming up firing shots until your gun is shouldered collapsing your sectors I get what your saying as well though
@MIbad187
@MIbad187 5 месяцев назад
I like the retracted method for tight hallways where you really dont have alota room to move. If i have a ton of space in a non residential building I feel like it isnt as necessary.
@jpanglao00
@jpanglao00 25 дней назад
Awesome argument. I agree with your claims, I think it depends on the process, person, & real-world experience how to act against a threat. Only way to find out what’s best is practice, rehearse, & more practice! Thanks!
@SNAKEEATER1776
@SNAKEEATER1776 6 месяцев назад
As a SFARTAETC certified Green Beret, I can attest that I’ve NEVER seen Mike Glover’s goofy-ass rifle retention technique that you eloquently emulated at the beginning of the video 🤣👌🏼 Additionally, Mike’s clearing technique IS NOT the Army Special Forces standard of CQB. It’s sad that it’s been represented that way. I appreciate you tearing this apart with skill, experience and common sense. 👍🏼
@Nobody13325
@Nobody13325 6 месяцев назад
Ahh a Brother CIF-Lord. I ask what would Ed W. Say 🤔
@TerminalM193
@TerminalM193 6 месяцев назад
Dude I lost it at the beginning because I immediately knew who he was mocking 😂
@Nobody13325
@Nobody13325 6 месяцев назад
@@TerminalM193 IKR
@veiledallegory
@veiledallegory 6 месяцев назад
A jarhead to the defense? WTH?
@chrismorris5604
@chrismorris5604 6 месяцев назад
​​@@Jarhead20didn't he say that devgru taught this tactic to him when he was in the unit
@lionel170
@lionel170 6 месяцев назад
This is one of the CQB channels that actually makes sense. The retracting method should only be used for confined spaces where the shoulder method would not be suitable.
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
I’ll show that on my live tonight I forgot to add that in the video
@lionel170
@lionel170 6 месяцев назад
@@Forward_Concepts excellent content brother. You are saving so many lives with your videos. God bless you sir.
@brenttanner9889
@brenttanner9889 6 месяцев назад
All of your approaches to the door are from center on which is generally a no-no, and an easy approach with a rifle. If you are entering the room from the side of the door as you should, then the retracted method allows you more mobility while keeping the rifle pointed where your plates and eyes are pointed. It’s not perfect but it’s a good tool for the toolbox.
@222assassins
@222assassins 6 месяцев назад
I don’t necessarily agree that entering the door from a centered position is bad as long as when you cross the threshold you are in the best position to attack your corner. As stated in the video you can clear 80% of a room upon entry, it makes more sense to flash 12 (or the center of the room) to give you as much situational awareness of that room upon entry. If you are clearing as an individual or as the 1 man in the stack I would argue that it should be done and then you would dig your corner following that. With that being said though you can flash 12 before entry and if there is an immediate threat you can engage from outside the threshold but if there is not an immediate threat as you enter you would position yourself to dig your corner. All of this would happen simultaneously.
@elduderino19
@elduderino19 6 месяцев назад
Not sure how long your rifle is but probably 90 percent of the time I can enter a doorway at any angle without needing to collapse my rifle
@T3actual
@T3actual 3 месяца назад
Cool, I am still using the low ready or high situation depending.
@bricethaice
@bricethaice 3 дня назад
i agree with your points. i trained briefly under seals for CQB while overseas and they taught us high ready breakdown entering doorways and that stuck with me now since ive been doing it forever. I agree its 1 step slower than shoulder weld, and i could argue the nuances of both cases but ultimately its what you're most comfortable with. recently ive been messing around with stock in the armpit and laser pressure switch entering room. fav thing about high ready is keeping the muzzle in my FOV at all times, but getting the present/shoulder weld right takes lots of practice with body armor, practice practice practice.
@hairstonwilliams2770
@hairstonwilliams2770 Месяц назад
The movement & stance you did at the beginning is literally what it looks like at the beginning of a CSGO match 😅😅. Thanks for the vid, btw.
@TacticsTom54
@TacticsTom54 6 месяцев назад
Been to multiple courses over the years including SWAT/SRT instructor level and Active Shooter Instructor level ( ERASE, ALERRT ), every single one had their own gimmick , and usually they all worked for specific situations but not all . Ive used high port , low ready , shoulder pocket and everything you can think of and they all work but what i have found (for me and im a huge dude) is best to keep the weapon in a modified low ready/ CQB with the tip of the butt resting on the trap and entering as he did on this video for single level room clearing . Seem to be faster and more importantly smoother for me . Now you go to multi level clearing and that all goes out the window . We saw in multi-level clearing retracted or high port gave us the fastest and best chances to engage tartgets on multi level . BUT in a team or multi person clearing you have the advantage of designating work areas and that itself changes everything. The first and best thing to always ask is , " hey why am i doing what im doing ". If you're one man cqb it to retireve high value personnel because of circumstances and there is an imminent time window for that objective then alot of tactics and techniques will go out the window , because your mission is already a shit show . Also all these are hypotheticals and hopefully anyone doing this for their mission has other tools available to them ie. FBs , gas , or other distractionary devices/ techniques. I hate how this always comes to a pissing contest between well intended individuals who are trying to do work for good . Really hope we can see more training groups colab .
@Mounty621
@Mounty621 6 месяцев назад
Spot on, Sir. ~ from a fellow Neanderthal knuckle dragger-sized breaching guy
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
Damn good comment 👍🏼
@TacticsTom54
@TacticsTom54 6 месяцев назад
@Gun_Nerd negative but I ironically know a guy with them . He's at one of the new storage plants they put in Nevada. Interesting question why do you ask ?
@TacticsTom54
@TacticsTom54 6 месяцев назад
@Gun_Nerd lol well grew up as Tommy so man you were at least half right . I'm in the Southeastern US . Recovering from shoulder reconstruction so I've been out of the game for the past 8 months and just getting fat lol but I'll be back at it before too long . Be safe brother .
@BANDERSJR
@BANDERSJR 6 месяцев назад
All of this.
@alexdietrich7975
@alexdietrich7975 3 месяца назад
This is an age old question that as far as I've known has been discussed since WW2. Over 80 years of history and individual experiences has changed things a lot, and I think this video is great. Nails a LOT of details that are generally glanced over. Great video.
@nickricholetti754
@nickricholetti754 16 дней назад
What I’ve Noticed over the years serving warrants and training is that when you marry that buttstock to the shoulder you tend to get tunnel vision down the barrel of the rifle ….. a lot of the retraction and buttstock over the shoulder especially works when we’re all kitted up in tiny inner city row homes …. very small quarters
@rubbertire6608
@rubbertire6608 6 месяцев назад
I liked my own comment
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
Same
@sicituradastra9216
@sicituradastra9216 6 месяцев назад
I gave you a thumbs down to be a contrarian.
@dchavez1528
@dchavez1528 6 месяцев назад
Ballsy bro
@andrewtanczyk4009
@andrewtanczyk4009 6 месяцев назад
I do that all the time also.
@veiledallegory
@veiledallegory 6 месяцев назад
Hah, we see what you did there!
@landofbulliez
@landofbulliez 6 месяцев назад
One thing for people to remember is there is doctrine level training which is the basics of how to perform close quarters battle (CQB) and then there are the tactics, techniques, and procedures (TTPs) when you get to your specific organization. No one organization is wrong its just how they teach/train. I would say find one that fits you best and roll with it.
@wompy-ru
@wompy-ru 6 месяцев назад
A thing to note too is they have similar barrel lengths but Mike has a can aswell, its easier to enter the room guns up with the can-less setup, you can pretty much enter the room sideways through the door dam near, with a longer gun it needs a method that breaks it down for just that few seconds then throw it back up to bussiness as usual
@James_Edward59
@James_Edward59 Месяц назад
This guy is definitely taking what Mike was teaching and changing the context of it. All Mike was saying is that even at the low ready, you can take a shot, you can always push your rifle out to get a sight picture but it isn’t necessary just like with a pistol how you can shoot from the hip or wherever is necessary for close encounters. It just takes a lot of training with a rifle to be able to shoot accurately from the hip or low ready versus in your shoulder pocket with an actual sight picture.
@Adam_Wilde
@Adam_Wilde 6 месяцев назад
Just throwing this out there. Mike's way could also make sense if you're the DMR guy in the unit and your 22" barrel literally doesn't let you fit through the door like a smaller rifle would. If it's the rifle you have and you had to do it, it's good to know your options.😂
@kalashnikov400
@kalashnikov400 3 месяца назад
Very valid points. Of course, you do not need to shoulder the gun, to take effective shots.
@thomasrussell1R5
@thomasrussell1R5 3 месяца назад
Shouldered entry may work with 26”-34” doorways, but there have been instances where 19” doorways were encountered. Try shouldered entry with only 19” of clearance
@cobaltballistics4742
@cobaltballistics4742 6 месяцев назад
Well done. We always need to challenge tactics. Over the last 30 years CQB tactics have evolved, circled-back, and even contradicted themselves. CQB will never be perfected.
@thefunk0130
@thefunk0130 6 месяцев назад
Not a professional door kicker so I'm not qualified to say who is right here, but my observation is having a suppressor can on the end of the rifle might be a relevant difference here. If the total length of your rifle while shouldered is wider than the doorway you need to enter, then you can't enter sideways parallel to the wall as ideally desired. So you are either poking your way through the door at an angle, exposing your barrel for a split second before you're eyes on target for your corner, or you have to unshoulder to come through the doorway first, and then assume a firing stance. If your rifle doesn't have a can on it then you can slide through doors much easier without the need to unshoulder or compromise your entry angle.
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
Yes there are situations where you would need to short stock your rifle…I do it over the shoulder.
@oscarmike7980
@oscarmike7980 6 месяцев назад
I think the application is for moving across thresholds. It does look contradictory, but the method Mike is trying to show is very specific for moving to an area without the time to enter every room. At the end of the day, as my mentor taught me: eat the meat; spit out the bones.
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
Well, they showed it and demonstrated it entering a room. Just have to work around that dilemma.
@b0p1s65
@b0p1s65 6 месяцев назад
I'm like 90% sure mike's video was just him and the GBRS guys psyoping internet hitters into doing something really stupid looking as a joke, still a great video though, love your content
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
Idk very convincing if that’s the case. Also not something you really want to be passing along as viable …some goober might try to use it
@bmphil3400
@bmphil3400 6 месяцев назад
GBRS has a lot of videos on alot of dumb stuff. After I saw Shipley on Shawn Ryan's show I have determined he probably has a screw loose.
@AndyAdventuring
@AndyAdventuring 6 месяцев назад
Idk GBRS looked like they were just along for the ride in that video.
@ASqdrnDA
@ASqdrnDA 6 месяцев назад
Goobers.
@bmphil3400
@bmphil3400 6 месяцев назад
@@AndyAdventuring look up their "tactical" shooting stances sometime.....it's the dumbest thing I've ever seen.
@gunnersecuador7515
@gunnersecuador7515 4 месяца назад
I agree with you 100%. I was not surprised, but did find it odd that Glover immediately had to name drop and call out his training for this, when all he had to say was, "There are many variables and many ways to execute this move". For me that is a no go for an instructor! I now understand why you turn off comments in some videos! Keep up the great work your doing, it helps the new guys, and gals to get good dope from those who know.
@adamschneider868
@adamschneider868 6 месяцев назад
When watching this, I think the real tell is in what Mike Glover said about grabbing the barrel. I can imagine the birth of this technique came from "I saw my brother get the barrel of his gun grabbed and then get shot in the face. How do I stop that, How do I reduce that likelihood to near zero?" That's my two cents.
@STGN01
@STGN01 6 месяцев назад
Your shoulder tactic seems to assume that you will be facing a standing target that is easily identifiable. Running the gun high like that with the arm high like that means you are blocking a lot of your vision so yes, it's faster when you know exactly where the target is to point your gun at it but when you don't know the exact target, you will be slower when the target needs to be identified and is not standing in front of you.
@markn.1473
@markn.1473 6 месяцев назад
Great vid, showing the opps perspective is very interesting, please do that more
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
I plan on it
@BeDangerousGroup
@BeDangerousGroup 6 месяцев назад
Very good breakdown. I'm impressed that you got Glover himself to comment. The best thing about yours and his video is that it gets you thinking and that's probably the strongest weapon you can have when conducting CQB (single & team). I appreciate Glover's response, but as you have stated in previous videos, "it's the way we've always done it" doesn't mean its right & stifles evolution. And that's not to say Glover is wrong either. He's probably one of the few people in the world I would ever question on tactics. I think you said it best in the beginning with "use what you like and don't use what you don't like." But definitely try everything in training. I've been following you for a few months now and I definitely feel like you think about this stuff 24/7, so I truly appreciate and trust your analysis. You would definitely be an asset to Glover's channel if you did his podcast. Also on a side note, I am not a fan of the dudes he had with him in that video (won't mention names/company). My unit trainers actually tell us to pass on their instruction. Maybe Glover got a bit caught up in them being there on set. I love and trust Glover though. I want to make that clear. Thanks for posting and stay safe!🇺🇸👍🇺🇸👍
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
I respect that he approached it the way he did, because that’s not what most dudes do. They usually don’t. The “community” goes after peoples livelihoods and takes a considerable about of time trying to discredit people instead of ideas.
@patrickm.blanchard8497
@patrickm.blanchard8497 6 месяцев назад
I could see this being beneficial while under NV. You would be able to to much more mobile while passive lazing targets. But that’s me kinda forcing this to work. Under NV that’s almost the stance you would take anyway
@whiskeyandammo
@whiskeyandammo 6 месяцев назад
Good video. As much as I appreciate Mike Glover, I agree with you. In all my training and serving search and arrest warrant while on SWAT, I preferred keeping my rifle shouldered as long as my surroundings would allow it. Some doorways are too small and I had to place the buttstock over my shoulder and snap it to the threat area. Efficiency of motion is extremely important. Video tapping individual and team movements is also helpful as this video demonstrates. Stay diligent out there!
@Mounty621
@Mounty621 6 месяцев назад
But keeping your rifle up blocks your view of things below rifle sight view. Remember LAPD Officers Randall Simmons and Jimmy Veenstra were hit by a guy crouching under a dining room table hidden amongst the dining room chairs. I don't know how or if their rifles were up and mounted, but anything blocking high and low view of a threat area is bad practice.
@whiskeyandammo
@whiskeyandammo 6 месяцев назад
@@Mounty621 You can keep the buttstock or toe of the stock touching your shoulder and be at a low ready, or high ready allowing for almost full view of the area and suspects. It's a very common technique.
@Mounty621
@Mounty621 6 месяцев назад
@@whiskeyandammo It's the technique I used during my entire career. The toe never left my shoulder, almost at clavicle height, so all I had to do was roll it up into my cheek weld, where my head was straight up, no crouching. It was very fast and effective, as it sounds like you know.
@whiskeyandammo
@whiskeyandammo 6 месяцев назад
@@Mounty621 Yes absolutely correct. We're talking about the same technique. I recall it being taught to me 25 years ago as, "Toe in the Hole." Stay safe my friend!
@Mounty621
@Mounty621 6 месяцев назад
@@whiskeyandammo I'm happily retired from "the game" now. Stay safe, Brother.
@inferna7327
@inferna7327 6 месяцев назад
That facility looks awesome for indoor practice
@bridgeburner265
@bridgeburner265 6 месяцев назад
A couple months back a youtube channel called Daisho Tactical did a video presentation titled Deliberate Vs Dynamic which method is better? Or something very close to that, but you'd probably really want to see it if you havent had the chance yet. I'm old school so i only apply a dynamic technique to a very limited group of scenarios. There is a dichotomy to dynamics that i feel every person needs to individually understand during their introduction to it in the training phase, so they can better decide whether to apply it or not. Once you cross a threshold using a dynamic entry you basically have bought the room and everything in it. There are alot building clearing bodycam vids from Ukraine available right now too, which is good because they have some factors like multiple trained and equipped opponents, booby traps, improvised obstacles, even friendly and enemy air support. These sqaud level firefights kind of have a way of going not as either group expected. Thanks for this presentation.
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
I saw his stuff and subscribed. He has great info
@thepurespartanify
@thepurespartanify Месяц назад
I think this technique is the rifle equivalent of pistol compressed ready where you can still fight if you really need to but it keep it compressed for tight spaces (and comfort on pistols). I think it is simply far less common for long guns and finding spaces tight enough or being at risk of your gun being grabbed are very rare so it isn't really taught. It is another thing for the toolbox and if you have a need or want to get good with it then you need to practice it. just my 2 cents
@mike8386
@mike8386 3 месяца назад
Well usually the "short stocking" or "gun compressing" is done so that your eyes and barel will see the unkons at the same time, barel entering first doesnt really matter as usually youre not shooting blind, you want to actually see what youre shooting at so gun compression helps shortening the time between barel coming in and then your eyes, for the opponent, the moment he sees your muzzle his reaction timer starts (i think its 180-200 ms for an average person) and youre trying to minimize that as much as possible, you can start identifying it only when you see it, not when your barel seeing it. Now the idea behind retracting the gun between transitions is to bring the weight youre holding clower to your center of mass, like when you try to pick something heavy with your arms straight or hold it when its close to your body and try to lift it then, its basic biomechanics and physics and turning your head and gun without your whole body will be faster and will let you shoot earlier and at these distances you dont really need the rifles shouldered (my personal opinion of course) which is why retraction is used in transitions between target as well. Overall though, i enjoyed the video, i love seeing different ways of doing different things and always learning from them.
@C420sailor
@C420sailor 6 месяцев назад
So many factors. Shoot houses are always so large, open, and empty. Simple, predictable layouts. Empty as fuck. Wide ass doorways. What works beautifully in a huge office building may work like shit on a ship, or in Trashcanistan, or in cluttered conditions, and vice versa. But if you’re well versed and practiced in a variety of techniques, you have tools to pull from the toolbox.
@TheWeekendShooter308
@TheWeekendShooter308 6 месяцев назад
I love it when ppl talk like this when they have never operated in the same capacity as the guys they're criticizing 😂😂 you were probably watching that Sean Strickland video where he was calling out the SEALs in complete agreement
@ltitus8900
@ltitus8900 4 дня назад
Your interpretation of the different techniques makes me wonder what kind of situations you have had to deal with in combat. Even in different force on force situations, you learn extremely quickly the importance of being able to ADJUST what you have been taught to maintain the advantage. One scenario type you seem to be overlooking is if you know your threat is in a cluttered environment but it is dead silent. You know that means they are hiding behind some kind of concealment and they probably will have eyes on you first. Whether I am running a 14" barrel or 16" or whatever, the priority is to be able to see as much in the room as possible. So I will ether enter the room with the buttstock tucked past my cheek if the room type looks like it allows it, or use a compressed low ready. It is because I need to see as much as possible but I need to respond as fast as possible if I receive contact before I am able to put eyes on the threat. It is massively about footwork as well and surprisingly enough, this is where most make mistakes. You have to be prepared for as much as possible. I want to be able to bail as fast as possible to cover so I am going to rely heavily on my front foot to be able to retreat back behind cover/concealment. More over, you are a Green Beret!! I can tell you from experienced Green Berets that if you try this against hardened vets, you will not last long at all.
@charlesreeves3426
@charlesreeves3426 6 месяцев назад
You had me at "your resume doesn't validate the information, the information validates itself."
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
That’s where I had me too
@davidbehrman4920
@davidbehrman4920 6 месяцев назад
This is why short barrel rifles and bullpups exist.
@robertlane370
@robertlane370 4 месяца назад
Dj, Cole amd Mike damn sure know what they are doing.
@protectorpods6607
@protectorpods6607 5 месяцев назад
Putting under the arm is called the under arm assault position, been used for decades in the UK. Takes more practice to become competent which is why the guys will go back to the shoulder for the collapsing of the room and you can’t hit small targets like you can with aimed shots as it’s a type of point shooting.
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 5 месяцев назад
Yeah exactly. Thats why I don’t advise anyone to be doing that. There’s tons of stuff you “can” do…and a lot of stuff you could sacrafice for military stuff. But cops shouldn’t be doing it for the reasons you mentioned
@azarel7
@azarel7 5 дней назад
This is well done. Very logical critique.
@josephcecil1979
@josephcecil1979 4 месяца назад
You cannot shoulder a 16 barrel rifle and walk through a standard doorway without your barrel being visible. The enemy in the corner will see your barrel first and the barrel won’t be oriented to him. The whole premise of collapsing the rifle before entering a room is so that your barrel isn’t visible to an enemy in the corner until the barrel is facing the target.
@jameschanner3765
@jameschanner3765 6 месяцев назад
Context is the important piece missing. going into a house under nods full of high threat targets and little to no civilians its is a effective technique. However, going to serve a search warrant, active shooter, or home defense it becomes less viable but still useful for close in spots like closets if you dont want to transition to a pistol.
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
Utilizing an active aiming device you can get away with a lot. I don’t disagree with you.
@Arbiter55555
@Arbiter55555 5 месяцев назад
One thing I noticed at 4:50 or so that I think is relevant that wasn't touched on is the distance of protrusion of your muzzle in reference to your support hand. In Mike's video he's dealing with a can, adding a good 4-6" of barrel to maneuver around the barrier, wheras your handguard is maybe 2" from the muzzle, which allows you to keep the weapon in a more uncompromised techique. I personally run a 20 inch barrel, and train entry techniques as seen on channels much like the two of yours, and what I've found is that Mike's technique of short stocking under the arm makes a better product for not slamming my muzzle into the doorway, botching the whole movement. I've noticed similar results using a Government issue M4, with a short handguard, and higher distance between hand and muzzle. I love that you took the time to have this dialogue with demonstration. The only way we as shooters doing close quarters get better is this kind of debate and discussion. Iron Sharpens Iron. Great video.
@user-iu4wh1zs6t
@user-iu4wh1zs6t 4 месяца назад
I don't understand why you would choose a 20' barrel for cqb. Is that because you first attack the building from 600 yards? Are you expecting your opponents to be wearing plate armor?
@fragul8tr
@fragul8tr 6 месяцев назад
Honestly, this is the kind of content I like and am here for. Genuine analysis of pros/cons, no definitive “X way is better because Y”. Keep it up. 👍🏻
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
I appreciate that!
@TS-mt6rm
@TS-mt6rm 6 месяцев назад
A personal observation is that not all doors are the same size, explosions tend to disorganize a room prior to entry and balance to traverse obsticles on the ground while trying to identify threats is harder than it looks.
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
See my most recent video where I adjust the size of the door ways. Yea, typically in real life there impediments…but there doesn’t have to be whole demonstrating a technique
@trava4156
@trava4156 6 месяцев назад
I think his point (yes, I was trained in CQB, I am a combat vet, a breacher too, not SF) BUT, reality is….going house to house you will get EXHAUSTED! Having to be at a high ready at all times (especially if non-combatants are an issue) having the ability to carry your rifle through buildings without over exerting yourself while still covering possible entry’s and or crossing thresholds in a bypass….makes sense. About it
@trava4156
@trava4156 6 месяцев назад
But….i always did look cockeyed at Mikes demonstration. I did not adopt it, but an interesting idea. But I (in my humble opinion) don’t agree with Mike on this “best method”
@JustDefense
@JustDefense 5 месяцев назад
Don’t give up the critical eye and independent thought. Mike and others always deserve respect, but tactics are always fluid and changing, and your method may actually be the best and others haven’t caught up yet. That’s how techniques improve. Keep up the good work. Sub!
@R_ngeFx
@R_ngeFx 3 месяца назад
I love your content, man. Glover has a ton of knowledge and experience, DJ too. No denying that, no matter what your opinions are or the drama is. But the fact is many LEOs and their agencies don’t practice at the level of CAG or DEVGRU and it’s impractical to assume they will be able to perform these techniques at equal speed and proficiency overall. That being said, you break it down really well - between the videos from overseas and the applications to real world situations that saturate the reality of most situations; I.e, hostage rescue, barricaded subjects, warrant service. Again, all respect to the guys you are using as examples. Same to you.
@Ammonymity1776
@Ammonymity1776 6 месяцев назад
5:10 with a can on the rifle and the house being a crack house... I'd bet you'd get stuck in that door 😂. I like your "cqb method" you called it, I think. Where the stock leaves the pocket. 🤘🏼🤘🏼 another good breakdown video 🔥
@freedomtowander
@freedomtowander 6 месяцев назад
Facts bro! Use case is key here
@FirstNameLastName-gb8pg
@FirstNameLastName-gb8pg 4 месяца назад
Ive was SWAT/SRT for a decade. I would never Rambo yhe firearm under my arm unless i was attempting to retain control from someone actively trying to grab my barrel. A hundred operations. Thousands of training hours. Tens of organizations trained with. Only time anyone tried to grab my barrel was during retention training and i had to let them. That being said: if i have 3 hiurs training my way and you have 33 hours training your way, you will probably be more proficient.
@deschain1910
@deschain1910 6 месяцев назад
I mostly agree that there is minimal difference so long as you have the space and your arm isn't super tired from holding your rifle up for a while. However, the small section where you were timing the first shot on target i don't believe is accurate. My understanding of the technique is that you can fire while it's in the retracted position rather than waiting to shoulder the rifle before pulling the trigger, since you're not usually dealing with high recoil platforms and you're at extremely close range... Edit: Forgot to mention, just as a brief aside, there is also something to be said for margin of error. The technique you demonstrate as your preference has less of it for avoiding getting your muzzle accidentally caught on the frame. Not a problem when you're fresh, but again maybe the under arm technique is nicer when you're getting fatigued...
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
My point is that while you “can” shoot from a retracted position …it’s probably not a good idea from an accountability perspective …especially when there is a potential for other people to be present who do not need rounds. As expressed in the original video .
@deschain1910
@deschain1910 6 месяцев назад
@@Forward_Concepts I see. I'll admit I missed that bit of explanation. I'd be interested to see a test comparing accuracy at that range when firing from retracted position vs. shouldered, just to see if it's a substantial difference or not.
@No-1.In.Particular
@No-1.In.Particular 6 месяцев назад
Step 1. Fix Bayonet to Rifle Step 2. Either Low Ready or CQB Method
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
Hahaha
@internetrules8522
@internetrules8522 6 месяцев назад
A lot of people are good at their specific thing, but aren’t able to teach it well, and if they try to explain the specific actions they are taking, they can be wrong about what they are doing. You can notice sometimes you ask someone “how did you do that?” And they have to actually repeat their own action a few times and basically quickly analyze what they are doing, to then be able to explain it to you. Those are my thoughts on people being good at something but giving incorrect advice
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
I don’t know if that’s it. My question is ..is there a way to teach that better that would validate the techniquex
@internetrules8522
@internetrules8522 6 месяцев назад
@@Forward_Concepts reading mike glover's comment, it does not seem like my message applied to this video, you are right.
@thej118.........
@thej118......... 4 месяца назад
I will add both view points to my tool belt for further operations, which I kind of already have, lol. These are both techniques we have practiced for a long time. We had an op last night. Not every scenario is going to call for one specific technique, in my opinion. I am also LE. This was a drug raid with a bunch of meth heads in a house that I am pretty sure was on the show, "horders". Sometimes we get nice houses in the higher income areas that allow us to flow though with ease, and then there are ones like yesterday. And yes, it probably took just as long to clear the structure as it did to search it after it was safe, lol. Threshold sizes and clutter around those areas will definitely change what you are going to have to do, in my opinion.
@thedefinitive6296
@thedefinitive6296 6 месяцев назад
Really appreciate you breaking this down and offering some other thoughts and demonstrations. I watched this video sometime ago and tried out what was described for myself. It just didn't really make that much sense to me as I tried clearing my home and just ended up short stocking because I want my muzzle to get to the threat ASAP and it's faster to do that if my muzzle is already up. Basically if you're always ready, you don't have to get ready. Maybe there are certain situations where the tactics from the other video are more advantageous, but I couldn't find the relevance in my preparation. Thanks again.
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
Yeah that’s my logic, closer to the fundamentals of marksmanship. You will like the next video …I got into more detail on the methods and considerations
@thedefinitive6296
@thedefinitive6296 6 месяцев назад
@@Forward_Concepts Looking forward to it!
@Jupiterxice
@Jupiterxice 6 месяцев назад
I understand your notion for this, and Mike Glover is awesome person to pick his brain or knowledge. Now he isn't the end all be all like this video you have. I say its person who is doing this CQB or clearing. Speaking as a Army Vet repetition and rehearsals are key to be effective. CQB in real life has its variables and be ruthless and never go according to plan especially speed and violence of action. I take this video as a grain of salt. Much obliged.
@wncoulte
@wncoulte 5 месяцев назад
Just became a subscriber after the first minute of watching this.
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 5 месяцев назад
That’s what’s up…glad to have you….
@kreiger9
@kreiger9 5 месяцев назад
These differences in tactics always make me think of two phrases. 1. A punch is a punch and a kick is a kick. (Paraphrase) - Bruce Lee 2. You stick them with the pointy end. - Arya Stark (Game of Thrones)
@theparaminuteman
@theparaminuteman 6 месяцев назад
I think the only person to get “stitched up” here, is Mike Glover…..
@desertcrimedogg
@desertcrimedogg 6 месяцев назад
Great video, I have not been a fan of these "new" cqb techniques but give them a fair evaluation. I adopted the compressed ready and back strap tech, but still adhere to low ready and switching l to r depending on entry point. Again, solid no suit analysis by you.
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
Thanks!
@desertcrimedogg
@desertcrimedogg 6 месяцев назад
@KineticConcepts_Group I whole heartedly agree with what you said, take what you like and toss what you don't. We trained with the likes of LAPD and LASO, among others. We tended to adopt SO techniques more than the renowned LAPD. How they did things just did not work for us.
@11BeezDD214
@11BeezDD214 6 месяцев назад
Just speaking as a 23 year infantryman that has been trained and has trained others in multiple disciplines of CQB I've always said "this is a way not the way". No CQB situation is the same and knowing multiple ways of doing it can only make you more prepared. I will say that while operating in Europe and Asia they don't have the same building codes and you will need to tuck to get through a door jam.
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
A 23-year-old infantryman has a voice too, I was one once.
@jayt5346
@jayt5346 6 месяцев назад
The whole point to me is making the rifle smaller while still being pointed down range so you don’t give yourself away breaking thresholds and if your on a boat (have you ever done cqb on a boat, Mr. Cop) this super low ready is beneficial N remeber being super accurate when your super close is perfect but the concussive effect of the muzzle blast from a 5.56 in a super close quartered environment( where’d you use this) is enough to knock someone backwards So your sacrificing point accuracy for surprise n speed in super tight spaces.. cuz your shooting from that low port before/ as your shouldering.. makes sense to me Definitely wouldn’t fire from the hip in a hostage situation
@clarkbell5084
@clarkbell5084 6 месяцев назад
I'm just your everyday citizen that likes guys and even I identified the flaws in that video when I first saw it, highly appreciate the respectful way you went about explaining how it didn't make sense and showing how it is best done, keep up the great content man, sure you earned more than just my sub from this one.
@iPaintCars
@iPaintCars 6 месяцев назад
What does you liking guys have to do with it? I mean did you just want to throw that out there??
@therealbabytooth
@therealbabytooth 6 месяцев назад
​@@iPaintCars very confusing indeed
@clarkbell5084
@clarkbell5084 6 месяцев назад
@@iPaintCars LMFAO.. I guess I just came out.. I mean I meant to say likes guns but the gig is up..
@chrissaffran7655
@chrissaffran7655 6 месяцев назад
Outstanding analysis. Flows nicely from your One Man CQB Room Entry Methods video
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
Thanks!
@Whiskeylocker899
@Whiskeylocker899 5 месяцев назад
These techniques are taught when handling M16 rifles (20inch rifles that have fixed stocks) in CQB. The technique isn’t relevant to all situations but saying one way is better or worse is irrelevant. They have their uses per the rifle, the amount of people in your group and the type of environment you are in. For example, If you are not point man in a 4man group, placing your muzzle at at low ready is not necessarily safe, flagging your buddies legs. By putting your muzzle at eye level or keeping the butt stock in the high ready position is safer. Not a faster method, just a different technique relevant to certain groups that use certain rifles and are in certain environments. Hostage and active shooter scenarios are not something most shooters are training for FYI. If we are faced in a situation of carrying a rifle for defense it will be home invader/SHTF. A defensive position is safer than moving room to room like a hero. So button hooking and blowing through a room is a bad idea no matter who you are. The guy who is already in the room has the advantage.
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 5 месяцев назад
Of course
@scoutsniper762
@scoutsniper762 6 месяцев назад
A cops take on anything is irrelevant unless youve had previous cqb training
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
I’m new here
@scoutsniper762
@scoutsniper762 6 месяцев назад
@@Forward_Concepts clearly
@handled99
@handled99 6 месяцев назад
​@@scoutsniper762Clearly he is informed. If you think you are better, then make a video show casing your skill, articulating abilities and intellect. It is easy to sit back and criticize. And you better look the part to and be in shape.
@drunknnirish
@drunknnirish 6 месяцев назад
@@handled99 this is the internet sir, everyone has done everything and knows everything just dont actually expect them to prove anything.
@richardthomas6602
@richardthomas6602 6 месяцев назад
The width of the doorway and the size of the room make a difference. Know your max range accuracy at various distances to determine what techniques are viable in a given circumstance.
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
Yep
@joeypooka
@joeypooka 4 месяца назад
I personally would like to see how Santa Claus clears a room
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 4 месяца назад
Me too…I imagine it started with throwing the bag of toys into the room as a distraction
@MinimumSpeedOperator
@MinimumSpeedOperator 6 месяцев назад
There are scenarios where there is efficiency realized with these techniques. However in general I think shouldered is more efficient in most situations. Yet there is also the reality of HUGE clearing operations and fatigue factors in where this is almost as good with much less fatigue so that’s also valid. It’s something to train on some and consider.
@BurstShotzX
@BurstShotzX 5 месяцев назад
It's always good to get both perspectives from police standpoint and military stand point. It's also very important to note, that tactics can differ from civilian areas and areas. Of said war in terms of training both get.
@koffeekage
@koffeekage 8 дней назад
If you have nods and lasers is it necessary to have the weapon shouldered to take control of the corner?
@jamesquinn5281
@jamesquinn5281 6 месяцев назад
Both techniques have there place and both could be used on the same mission, on the same objective. There are two things I see when retracting the weapon when entering a room would be superior to shouldering it. 1) A lot of doorways are not that wide, to get the angle you're getting when keeping the weapon shouldered. This technique really is good for a commercial building, but not a trap house, an old home, or a home in another country. 2) When entering a room, not everyone falls under lethal in your ROE for the mission you're doing. Retracting the weapon allows you to really punch out, getting more power on your muzzle strike to a target that is unarmed and not complying etc...
@tyrizzletrains7616
@tyrizzletrains7616 4 месяца назад
I feel like over the shoulder takes less mobility away from your muzzle in case you have to swing and snap on a target. Under feels like you have to turn your entire body just to get on target let alone shouldering the rifle too. I have no clue wtf I’m talking about as I don’t own a rifle nor have I taken any CQB classes. I’ll occasionally do sweeps with my carry pistol and simulate a home invasion as best I can but that’s as far as my training goes 😂
@bombomos
@bombomos 6 месяцев назад
Ive never experienced combat. But i will say as a veteran FPS player. One of the biggest downside of gun cleanering in general is you have a solid non see through block of metal covering a good chunk of your vision. If you go into a room with you rifle up to you face. There is a likelihood of you missing information in that room. Eyes see everything, but the brain always needs a clear picture and a moment to process information. Thats why we see things in the dark, the brain is putting objects that arent there while it processes. So i guess one of the main advantages of having your rifle shouldered versus not, is you get a better field of view to see, process, engage. Cuz having your rifle block your line of sight of the dude hiding behind the couch or under the coffee table just means you are dead. Hell, a good example of this is there is footage on RU-vid of a guy thinking someone broke into his house. So he looks through every room. Nothing. Later on his camera he saw that some one was standing into the corner of the room. He didnt see him cuz he didnt bother to turn on the light in that room, just the two rooms connected. So he missed the guy completely. Same thing can happen with your gun in your face while sweeping. You are gonna miss corners, sofas, ground area, fireplaces, shelves, etc. Ive known stories of Crackheads hiding in the damn walls, dryers, foot trunks, climb up in the bed fram, etc. If someone doesnt want to be seen they wont. So having to field of view to taken in the most amount of information possible is just as life saving as having your gun at the ready. "Did i close that closet door? Why are my clothes on the ground? Was that mug their when i got home? Why is the ceiling tile ajar? Wheres the remote control? I dont remember having a clown statue." Anywho, thats a non combat home owner's opinion. If something feels off im looking for information and following my gut with my shotgun in hand. Though it may not be at full ready.
@wpbqbanito
@wpbqbanito 6 месяцев назад
From a Former Deputy Sheriff, awesome video. I have been using your videos as a guide to supplement my training.
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
Amen to that
@thelastmiddleclass2490
@thelastmiddleclass2490 6 месяцев назад
If you do the retracked position, utlize the hi power green laser on your IR.
@kicker6274
@kicker6274 5 месяцев назад
There is an important piece of information that Mike is not telling you. This wasn't just about a technique, it was an IQ test along with a test to see how someone could function when they were taught something quickly and then had to perform it under a huge amount of stress, while integrating with other people or by yourself. In other words, there are a bunch of guys with different SOF backrounds, all with good resumes(as you said about resumes...), now lets see who can learn something new and perform it under pressure in an unknown envirornment...because the situations someone can be put into in that job are so diverse there is no way to train for them. Hell, there was even parts of that training package where they would drop a hood on your head, set up a scenario, and when the hood lifted you would have to deal with it in an appropriate manner. It could be anything.
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 5 месяцев назад
Oh idk none of what you mentioned was in his video
@kicker6274
@kicker6274 5 месяцев назад
@@Forward_Concepts There is a lot not said in Mike's video. I laughed the first minute of your video, because that is not how the technique is used, but I can see how you got it from just watching. You are right, in the scenario you showed there would be no need for it. That retracted gun is not used just for limiting signature while entering a room. Think maintaining control of your weapon while using your other hand to manipulate and unknown, be that a person, door knob, etc. Think entering a room with a few people who may or may not be friendly, may or may not have a weapon, may be panicking and running into you while you are entering the room, etc. Maybe you just need to do a little muzzle thump to get them out of the way, etc. Do a bunch of force on force scenarios alone, and being a smart person, you will figure out how to incorporate this into your toolbox.
@chap23305
@chap23305 5 месяцев назад
Idk if you know who Matt Pranka is or not, but he talks about a similar technique commonly used in CAG. They figured out that keeping the rifle shouldered was quicker than all this breaking the rifle up and down. This isn't a technique we practice on my LEO team, but I do believe it to be a superior way of entering a room.
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 5 месяцев назад
You don’t say…!
@joken7449
@joken7449 5 месяцев назад
Well, high port retraction and jerking the gun means more views and likes, not to mention footwork and mindset...
@ferna2294
@ferna2294 6 месяцев назад
Let my add my 2 cents (from someone that THANK GOD has never been in a firefight, but, sadly, had to use my shotgun in a non lethal way): I´ve got a single shot 16 gauge. That´s all I can have where I live. I´ve been practicing moving around the house with the shotgun for a while. My house has corridors where sweeping with the shotgun on my shoulder is not possible. I´ve tried and I end up stuck in a wall. The method shown at 2:11 is the only way I can kinda move around the house with it.
@OldJudoGuy
@OldJudoGuy 5 месяцев назад
The shadow gives away movement and your imminent entry at the same time regardless of the position. Lighting is a consideration.
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 5 месяцев назад
But we can’t not do anything
@Arlon71
@Arlon71 6 месяцев назад
Regarding exposure to the room/threat, you said folks are seemingly worried about that, but that it's happening so quickly that it's not really an issue (I'm paraphrasing). I would say that you're correct, and if people are worried about exposure during a committed breach, they're worrying about the wrong thing. My opinion is that exposure matters prior to that committal. My preferred strategy of single-man clearing is methodical. I'm almost always pieing off a room as much as I can from the outside before committing to a breach, sort of like a step center method, just more exaggerated. I go to the opposite side of the door frame. That allows me to deal with a threat or retreat while at the same time, allowing me to take a majority of the room's information at my pace, not at the pace of the threat. I don't want to expose my gun through the door until I'm ready to conduct that breach. Mike and the GBRS guys have given out tons of information that has helped me immensely. I look at CQB like I look at my K9 Training: Everyone has THEIR way of doing it or the way THEY were trained. That doesn't make them wrong, and I don't like to poopoo their methods. I try to look at what they do that I do like and mold that into my methodology. Like recruits that have more than one instructor during their learning phase. They're a combination of their instructors, plus a little bit of themselves.
@ethomas727
@ethomas727 6 месяцев назад
The point of retraction is to keep the muzzle of the rifle from passing the threshold before you do and giving away your position and element of surprise.also enter the room the same way they do. Not head on.
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
So what do you think of the side by side comparison…is the juice worth the squeeze? Can you guarantee hits on a dude sprinting across the room?
@kalashnikov400
@kalashnikov400 3 месяца назад
There is no CQB SOP, unless you are on a team. The basics are still the same, speed, violence of action, and accuracy.
@SoldierJ613
@SoldierJ613 6 месяцев назад
You guys would be better with a truck gun, or a pistol. If there was a guy standing in the door way he could easily grab that long barrel as soon as it clears the door way. But muzzle awareness is always key. That's why you guys have been taught the way you train. Stay safe! ✌🏽
@vicerichter1163
@vicerichter1163 6 месяцев назад
this is giving me csgo tactics 101 where how you can secure the kill especially if the opposing team already is watching the angle you are gonna peek out of and how you can give them the least amount of time to react and push thru the angle. In csgo, you can outplay the enemy by "jiggle peeking" which overloads your nervous system to where it takes away the quick reaction time to shoot back because if the enemy is using a weapon that is 1shot such as AWP. that split second it takes to reload the awp is enough for you to peek again and pop em. Same with "shoulder peeking" which leaves very little time to react and also very difficult to get a good shot on the enemy because a limb shot or legshot is 80 damage, bodyshot anywhere is 105 damage. Here the principle is roughly the same except its called "telegraphing" and "slicing the pie" which allows for minimal exposure/coverage that allows you to push and engage the threat because the human being has only between a .125ms to .260ms to react to a threat or stimuli that dictates whether to shoot or no shoot. Also you are playing against the mind of the threat and most of anyone who is in this world of career criminals usually are not as adept at manipulating firearms and marksmanship to be able to combat a well-trained gunman sent out by the government to carry out law and order. You know their guns are typically pointed at the floor because it is "easier" for them to hold the weapon for long periods of time. You know they're not "prepared" for a quick and violent gunfight. You know they're not thinking clearly. You know they're probably not equipped for the situation and maybe have "forgot" things. Such as batteries in optics making sure their gear works. Might have loaded the wrong ammo, or might not have any loaded in the firearm at all. or its the wrong caliber. Their slings are not adjusted. Their optics are not "dialed in" or "zeroed" They have never "run n gun" with their firearms and dont know their stuff very well. While a well-trained SRT highspeed low-drag guy got lvl 4 plates, his rifle is dialed in and zeroed, his pistol is topped off and his laser/light and rmr are all "g2g", he has done this run before, hundreds of times. Not only that, its not his first response to a barricaded and armed suspect situation. And he has a team behind him. There is an absolute guarantee one side always wins. And its not cletus holed up in his trailer home loaded up on percs and jackD and the only firearm he has is his pappy's pump-action.
@lukasBe77
@lukasBe77 6 месяцев назад
nice context to understand and not like copying stuff and doing weird things, awesome analys
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
Doing my best
@Bullet.Impact
@Bullet.Impact 4 месяца назад
mikey watching: "damn! you think youre better than me"...😅😅✌️✌️
@connor56347
@connor56347 6 месяцев назад
Great video! I'd love to see the rifle in your shoulder method shown in different doorway sizes with longer rifles. Because from your demo it seems like it might not work with a suppressor, longer barreled rifle, or smaller threshold. I've always found I have to break my rifle down slightly off my shoulder
@Forward_Concepts
@Forward_Concepts 6 месяцев назад
Yeah it happens you just have to play with it to see if it works