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Green Flake, Brad Wilcox, and a Path to Zion - A Conversation with Mauli Bonner 

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Many people were disturbed by the remarks of Brad Wilcox, a member of the Young Men General Presidency, given at a recent tri-stake fireside in Alpine, Utah. In addition to denigrating other religions, whom he characterized as “playing church,” his remarks on the history of denying the priesthood to Black members shocked many listeners. Brigham Young University quickly condemned his comments and Wilcox issued a public apology.
While it is admirable to see church institutions and officials take responsibility and face issues like this head-on, the incident itself points to persistent issues in the Church that deserve our attention in our ongoing efforts to create Zion.
We invited Mauli Bonner to our podcast studio this week to address this timely topic, and also to tell us about his remarkable new film His Name is Green Flake. We felt like Mauli showed how to confront difficult issues like race with realism, but also with an abundance of faith, hope and charity. His honest and moving response to this recent incident shows the way to create a path forward toward Zion.
Mauli has had a long and successful career in the entertainment industry, and is the writer, director, and producer of this extraordinary film. The movie tells the story of an enslaved Black man, Green Flake, who was also a member of the Church and immigrated from Nauvoo to Utah as part of the vanguard group that prepared the trail to Salt Lake for other Saints. His Name Is Green Flake has been awarded Best Film in ten different festivals, including the Venice Film Awards, the London Independent Film Awards, and most recently, the LA Film Awards.
Mauli lives in Southern California where he serves in a ward bishopric. He is a member of the well-known Bonner family of musicians.

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Комментарии : 42   
@grantdole
@grantdole 2 года назад
I’m no longer an active Mormon but I love this episode. The conversation around race in the church was a breath of fresh air. I look forward to watching the film too. Thank you.
@kathlenebowen5418
@kathlenebowen5418 2 месяца назад
He is an amazing young man. He has such strong faith and such a forgiving heart. We need more people with an open mind like him. I pray the church will use him to teach us how to answer questions when we are confronted about racial problems in the church.
@maryannstout7600
@maryannstout7600 Месяц назад
This was a great show! Thanks for sharing this. Some of the things that were said made me a little nervous….this is such a hard topic to discuss. But I made myself sit through to the end and I am very happy I did. I’m 73yrs.old and am from Texas. I grew up watching the Civil Rights movement unfold right before my eyes. I was there and yet there is so much I don’t know. I’m white . My high school was fully integrated when I was 17yrs.old. Looking back at that time I think things were fairly smooth. I don’t remember any fights between the teachers or the students, that is between blacks and whites. I think we all tried to be on our best behavior. We’ve come a long way from 1968 to 2024. We still have a long way to go. But, for me, at least, progress has been made. I sometimes wish I could go back and tell everyone to just relax and keep trying. Just love each other and be patient with each other. And one last thing…..forgive ourselves and each other. Things may be hard sometimes but ITWILL GET BETTER . Thanks very much for your words of wisdom and encouragement. I’m glad I lasted to the end.❤🎉😊
@georgiaborn6236
@georgiaborn6236 2 года назад
Thank you for continually teaching and reaching out to us so we know... So we can live how our Savior really wants us to live and love each other ❤️💕👏👏🌺🎀
@brettstapf4754
@brettstapf4754 2 месяца назад
Powerful! Thank you!
@robinbyrd4430
@robinbyrd4430 2 года назад
Amazing film💯💯💯💯👍🏾🕊🙏🏽
@alicefitzgerald5311
@alicefitzgerald5311 3 месяца назад
Thankyou so much for Green Flake ❤️ I am so grateful for being introduced to black history slavery stories. I am so amazed by hearing the story behind the film. I am blessed by your faith.
@zechariahescalante5989
@zechariahescalante5989 2 года назад
Spot on about “pinning it on God “ And “ Heavenly Father is not a Racist “ Prophets are human Jesus Christ was the only perfect one on this earth We all need to follow his example This was beautiful and as an African American this is water to my thirsty soul !
@gariciu
@gariciu 2 года назад
You all should reach out to Tim Overton, if you haven't already. Not sure if you have heard of him. But he is an African American Latter-day Saint who tackles these issues too in the Church and as a profession. He is also a stake president in AZ. We had him do a special fireside for us here in Arkansas, it was great. But he is another person who can really add to this dialogue. Great interview with Mauli!
@aubreychaves
@aubreychaves 2 года назад
Thanks for the recommendation!
@michaelzimmerman6647
@michaelzimmerman6647 2 месяца назад
You are one of the most spiritual giants I have ever had the opportunity to listen to, I would love to meet you someday!
@valeriebrogan1953
@valeriebrogan1953 2 года назад
Thank you so much for this. Brother Bonner is more humble and forgiving than I have felt since Brad Wilcox's talk. I am white and English, some people have been surprised by how much his address affected me and I, rightly or wrong, have interpreted their surprise to mean rhey are insensitive. I pray that I too can come to a place of peace on this matter.
@Laura-ch7fl
@Laura-ch7fl 2 года назад
This was exceptional! Thank you to all three of you!
@user-ms4df7ys9h
@user-ms4df7ys9h Месяц назад
Great episode
@truth4190
@truth4190 18 дней назад
i just watched the movie after watching this interview. Thanks
@georgeangerbauer
@georgeangerbauer 2 года назад
My wife Ruth saw this out there and we had to watch it-LOVE this and LOVE your faith-filled honest real necessary vital timely healing (and all the other adjectives) dialogue that models HOW we need to talk about these issues together. Thank you. Am sharing this now. Hope. That is the powerful framing of all of this.
@hmvsmith
@hmvsmith 2 года назад
This was a wonderful interview, I am from Canada 🇨🇦 and did not know about this movie, I will definitely be looking into how I can view it.
@mountainsmotorcyclesandmom7411
@mountainsmotorcyclesandmom7411 2 года назад
Thank you Mauli. The things you said and shared were wonderful!
@karabusath8092
@karabusath8092 2 года назад
So powerful. Deeply grateful for this episode today.
@kp6553
@kp6553 2 года назад
Green Flake's faith that he would see his family again is one of the most powerful testimonies I have ever heard.
@MegaJohn144
@MegaJohn144 2 года назад
I enjoyed watching the Bonner Family singing on The Chosen Christmas Special. I didn't realize they were Mormon. In 1979, one year after the Priesthood ban was lifted, I was on an out-of-town consulting assignment in Columbia, MO. I met a young black man of high school age, introduced him to the Book of Mormon and invited him to attend Sacrament Meeting with me the next day. When I saw him the next day, he told me he read the Book of Mormon completely through that night. He couldn't put it down. At church, we walked in and took our seats. Nobody spoke to us. Nobody would even sit on the same pew. Finally, a white man and his Asian wife came and sat next to us. After church the high school kids in the ward finally came up to us. They knew this young man from high school. I hope the members of that ward eventually got rid of their racist attitude and welcomed black investigators in the future. Mauli did an outstanding job of explaining his situation in life and in elucidating and defusing the issue of racism. I hope he and others like him gain a national platform where we can hear a perspective on racism that is not tainted by extremists from either the Left or the Right. I love Maili's idea or introducing more black-oriented or gospel music in church. White people can't dance. White people don't sing. White people don't have any enthusiasm for the Gospel, any more. I love enthusiasm. I, for one, would welcome it. If nobody else will say it, I will. Everybody born before 1960 was, by our standards today, either racist themself, raised around racist people, and/or occasionally said or did racist things. That's how things were. Let's acknowledge our mistakes, fix them, and move on. When we know better, we do better. You can talk around the issue and make apologies for the church, but this issue needs to be addressed from the top down. I don't think the hosts asked Mauli any "tough" questions. They were all softball, but I realize you have to constantly look out for your membership in the church. I have no such problem. Three years after I introduced this young man to the Book of Mormon, I left the church. Which brings me to the point that Mauli made about the "little problems" in Brad WIlcox' speech. As a black man Mauli can speak to the racism issues. As a former member, I can speak to Bro. Wilcox' insinuations that when you leave the church, you leave it all behind. To people like me, that's as hurtful and insulting as implying the God is a racist. Brad Wilcox is insinuating that God is also a respecter of persons. He is neither. He loves the entire world, and everything He does, as Nephi says, is for our benefit. Many people leave the church and become atheists. Many teeter on the verge or leaving or staying. But, some people continue to find Christ, without the artificial necessity of having to go through a middle-man. Some of us have been "encircled about in the arms of His love" and "tasted the living waters" for ourself, without the necessity of blindly obeying those who profess to be His witnesses, but know no more of Christ than the average member of the church. In Bro. Wilcox' favor, he has delivered some incredible speeches on RU-vid. They are still available for viewing. The church has not taken them down in embarrassment. He talks about the doctrine of grace as taught in the Book of Mormon, the way I've never heard it preached before. I wish he would go back to that sort of speech. As a youth in the church, I would attend stake youth conferences. These were the kinds of speeches that thrilled me, made me want to go to BYU, serve on a mission, and get married in the temple. I think I would have left the church immediately after hearing that talk in Alpine, and hearing him bash people the way he did. The testimonies that I heard as a youth still motivate me today, but they had nothing to do with idolizing the church, and everything to do with glorifying the Lord.
@valeriebrogan1953
@valeriebrogan1953 2 года назад
Thank you for this. Thank you for acknowledging that Brad Wilcox's talk was offensive in SO many ways. The racist aspect of what he said has been allowed to blot out the many other horrid things he said. Thank you for your honesty. As a white, English woman who has been a member all her life I struggle daily with my faith. Since 'that' fireside I have had to turn around and look at how I can justify my continued attendance. When harm to so many has been done in public it needs to be addressed and acknowledged in public too.
@imdoingwell
@imdoingwell 2 года назад
Such a great podcast! I can’t wait to watch the film. I am hoping that it becomes available to purchase on streaming platforms.
@julievanwauwe
@julievanwauwe 2 года назад
Dear brother, indeed we must always focus on our Savior. I also had racist experiences in the 40 years of being a member and as you said people often don't realize they are making racist comments that's why i learned to say lord forgive them and help me be good to them because i too have faults and flaws . Congratulations on your big project. Maybe you should make a film of my life story: A colored person between white and black, yes I am beautiful brown and that is an extra challenge on both sides, white as well as black. I love L.A. if you invite me I'll be happy to come over and we'll go to the temple together. Greetings from Belgium. Always welcome br Bonner
@michaelzimmerman6647
@michaelzimmerman6647 2 месяца назад
Over 30 years ago when I first moved to Southeast Texas a Ward member asked me to come by his insurance office, I was there when he asked me to be there and he was talking to a man, I figured the man was a client. The Ward member then turned to me and said “Mike, this is ----- he is the green dragon of the kkk in the area,” I told him, “ if this is the reason you asked me to be here!? You are wasting my time”! There is still racism in the church and I hope that it is not as strong as it used to be!
@ruthboehmer8483
@ruthboehmer8483 2 года назад
fantastic. I found this extremely enlightening.
@rayannwendling5286
@rayannwendling5286 2 года назад
Considering brother Wilcox's remark om God's timing. Can you look at what the general attitude about race was from the 60s forward. I was a teen during the height of that civil rights movement. We know that the desire to have the priesthood ban lifted through a revelation was very much a part of the prophets concern from the early 50s on. God's timing I believe had to do with the racist attitudes among the church membership being a problem for black members or prospective members. The white members needed to at least begin to realize their racism before lifting the priesthood ban could be more of a benefit than a problem. It is the failure of the white membership to repent of their racism that delayed the revelation for the lifting of the ban. Thus God timed the revelation to when the various quorums came together in unanimity to ratify that all worthy members had the right to priesthood and all its blessings.
@theresaharmon3873
@theresaharmon3873 2 года назад
Exactly⬆️ I'm so grateful for Spencer W. Kimball efforts to keep chipping away at the ban until all 15 apostles were unified and ready to do the Lord's will. Unfortunately cultural issues can take a long time to resolve IF people dig in their heels. I love this conversation the three of you have shared with us and hope we as a church can get comfortable acknowledging that "the natural man is an enemy to God" which includes ALL of us and that we need to continue to acknowledge and root out racism in our personal lives and in our circles of influence. May we be like little children and submit to our Heavenly Father's love and continue to practice repentance and charity for all.
@brendajohnson13
@brendajohnson13 2 года назад
Maybe we could do better(on our way to best) by changing the way we describe this Timing as Man's timing instead of God's timing. I see the other side of that now and the hurt that can be perpetuated by using that terminology. We don't have revelatory scripture from God during the time of Brigham Young and beyond stating how angered or patient or how He was staying His hand because of our unkindness.... but we do have reasons stated by man why we were unkind/racist(BY) and we can own that. I have a hard time using the gospel topics essay on this in classes when details important as this are left out. I too am sorry/glad/hopeful for Br Wilcox to shoulder some of this learning kindness for/with us. I love him so much and all who wrestle before the Lord.
@dasanders13
@dasanders13 2 года назад
The issue with that is that the ban in the first place was human error. Never should have happened and I believe God never wanted it in the first place.
@awfulwaffle1341
@awfulwaffle1341 2 года назад
Interesting conversation. I am one of those people that just wants to be done with all this racism nonsense and live in a post-racial society. I wish we can view race as irrelevant and superficial as eye color or shoe size. Yet we’re still talking about it. “Racism” truly has become a loaded term and it gets used very loosely. We really do need a better vocabulary when discussing it. Bias and prejudice are a part of the human condition. We all do it sometimes. Not only with race but with all sorts of things. The best remedy for the ugliness in all of us is to truly understand and appreciate the knowledge that we are all children of God. Keep up the good work Faith Matters.
@wellsjdan
@wellsjdan 2 года назад
Problem is this is hard to watch.... How can you watch this? DVD? When is DVD anymore? Big opportunity lost
@leem3299
@leem3299 2 года назад
I'm going to add a comment I wrote on a recent Saint's Unscripted video that I appreciated. It's true that we can't expect the people at the top to fix things, but it's ok I think to point out when they are actively keeping us stuck: ------ So we're gonna go right ahead and refute Elder Oaks' stance - that we don't know why God instituted the priesthood ban huh? Well, it did need to be done. If he is reading this (dream on) I would like to say: "Elder Oaks, this video is the best way to put unsavory history behind us. No need to worry about long-ago prophets saving face. Continuing to pin this on God is counterproductive. Pres Nelson gave no room for Monson/Hinckley to save face, when he declared that using the nickname Mormon offended Jesus and gave a major victory to satan. We have precedent now for one prophet to say historical prophets were dramatically wrong. Use that to put this color restriction thing in the past. It is not going away otherwise. It's just going to cause more and more pain to rising generations - the ones who still believe you speak for God, and at the same time have very keen consciences. They know it was wrong, and they know why it was wrong. They can't believe God was behind it. Stand with them please. OR would you, Elder Oaks, rather continue believing in a God who would exclude some of his children as cursed, identified by the color of their skin? The deepest question here is: What is God really like? That's the gravity of this issue, and that is why it will not ever just go away."
@leem3299
@leem3299 2 года назад
Mauli, it could be helpful if you did a series of videos acknowledging unsavory historical issues, where you don't censor the really disturbing stuff, and then relate how you personally deal with it. You're right that young people are going to find out from other sources, so no justification to keep it quiet. You're also right that waiting for it to come from the top authorities will be a long wait. You have the charisma to get and keep people's attention.
@edwardhegemann5951
@edwardhegemann5951 2 года назад
This was one of my favorite episodes. I appreciated Mauli’s powerful witness of Jesus Christ. If there is no root, in the end nothing else really matters. “If ye neglect the tree, and take no thought for its nourishment, behold it will not get any root; and when the heat of the sun cometh and scorcheth it, because it hath no root it withers away, and ye pluck it up and cast it out.” Alma 32:38 As we have a strong relationship with Jesus Christ (deep roots) - then we can deal with messy branches. Jacob said that in our time, “the last time, that the servants of the Lord shall go forth in his power, to NOURISH and PRUNE his vineyard; and after that the end soon cometh.” Jacob 6:2 We have to nourish our root relationship with Jesus Christ AND prune bad branches that are not bringing forth good fruit. The branch of racism has to be pruned and Mauli articulated the need for this so well!! Thank Tim and Aubrey for helping us all to strengthen our root relationship with Jesus Christ while dealing with branches that don’t bring forth good fruit. Your podcast is such a blessing to so many of us! 🙏🏼😇❤️
@kdwoodbury
@kdwoodbury 2 года назад
James Madison Flake was the father-in-law of one of my great grandaunts, and my mind is boggled at the connection. I really hope I will be able to see this movie.
@samanthastacey735
@samanthastacey735 2 года назад
Thank you for talking about the racism in the church history, people today and in Brad Wilcox speech. Please can you talk about the sexism in the church and in Brad Wilcox speech.
@dominesolesbee814
@dominesolesbee814 2 года назад
His Name is Green Flake should be required watching. Lean into the Comforter when any conversation/topic is uncomfortable and stay in it. @maulib is so good at sharing hard truth and hope simultaneously. He should be required listening. On @maulib he shares repeated prompts to be in SLC re: the monument so cool!
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