Green hydrogen: Is the Global South paying for Germany's energy transition? | DW News 

you forget h comes from water. fresh water not sea water which is very corrosive how will people get water to drink from

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Namibia's population will eventually grow. And you people want to steal land, water and electricity from poor countries. Germany has more land, water and electricity than Namibia, why doesn't it use its own? Obviously Germany is outsourcing the downsides that come with hydrogen production.

Furthermore it is theirs.

​@@dorrisday1518 not for long

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Look at norway for instance

Are you really that clueless. What a ridiculous thing to say. Oil and gas production do not take up half a country's energy and water. Tell us, why doesn't Germany produce its own green hydrogen since they have more energy and water than Namibia and Chile? Why does Germany want to take up water and energy from desert countries? Half the electricity that Namibia and Chile will be producing will be used to power German hydrogen factories, that is why they say those countries are batteries for Germany. You are a clown with terrible listening comprehension skills.

Set up those hydrogen plants in your own countries. You have more water and electricity than poor global south countries. Use up your own water and electricity. Stop exploiting the global south. Its insane the amount of electricity and water that goes into hydrogen production that is why the west wants other countries to produce the hydrogen for them.

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you forget h comes from water. fresh water not sea water which is very corrosive how will people get water to drink from

Europe is broke with no commodities to trade from Old Cold 🥶 Wet The continent is useless From west Africa 🦅

what makes you think namibia wont be a "represive regime"?

Yeah, it was from the get go this documentary was of incredible poor quality

I can find you disadvantages. We take for granted that hydrogen is all nice but it isn't. Using hydrogen instead of electricity directly means that energy production is going to be less efficient and more complex. To use it we need new (really expensive) infrastructure. And Germany is going to be dependent on yet another country just like it was with Russia (although it's probably much safer with namibia).

Exactly. I see no 'exploitation' at all. It's like saying oil producing nations are being exploited for selling oil. Also, Namibia has huge desert regions, it's not a 'park' as this documentary dupliciitaily suggests.

The whole green hydrogen energy business is con. If you want green energy you can generate it from nuclear fission if you want to and it is even more efficient, but if you already have the nuclear then why don't you deliver it directly to where it is needed? Green hydrogen is only meaningful for vehicles and other facilities which are isolated from the grid. This whole thing is a waste of taxpayer's money. There are also sources of sunshine close to Europe like North Africa, but then you have Al Qaeda to deal with. And who are the main backers of Al Qaeda? Germany's own G7 partners.

The only ones who would actually think that have some sort of bias against the purchasing country. I didn't hear the non Western aligned world congratulate Russia last year from being free of the "tyrannical" European energy market. To continue on this half baked argument for the sake of humor, it would be similar to accuse Germany (or any energy importing country) of benefiting from buying US or Middle Eastern LNG.

That's white men imperialism apparently

The problem is that it is being done for the purpose of an illusion of green energy when it actually creates even more pollution from coal powered manufacturing of the equipment in China and the shipping of the hydrogen products to Europe.

Aside from the water requiring desalination, there is no problem. Namibia has a long coastline, so water's not a problem.

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They literally explained how they are gonna exploit cheap labor and there is doubt about who is gonna benefit. Kinda hard to understand if you already come in biased my guy.

The journalists are not the ones who made up those arguments. They are just reflecting them.

you forget h comes from water. fresh water not sea water which is very corrosive how will people get water to drink from

It's the tired old Marxist rhetoric where trade is seen as automatically exploitative (along with everything else in capitalism), even though in the real world the alternative (no trade/competition) would be worse. It's why they never follow up the criticism with anything constructive. The outcome they ostensibly want (no trade) would make both developed and developing countries more poor. And stop the green hydrogen plans.

@@maxs.1880 Whoever came up with these half-baked criticisms need their heads examining. Exploiting a DESERT !!! ???? Surely finding a good use for otherwise unproductive land is an excellent idea.

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The latest technology out of an Australian University is using ocean saltwater without desalination to produce hydrogen. So fresh water need not be used and salt brine need not be dumped back into the oceans. Also tidal energy is more efficient and more abundant than wind and less periodic than both solar and wind. The worlds oceans can literally provide all the energy we need and without polluting it if we so choose to go in that direction.

They said they’re using ocean water

Green hydrogen is a myth. It’s a big lie to still eek out the last use of fossil fuels. The plan will fail. And then they will say oh well we’ll just keep producing h2 the same old way.

Europe is broke with no commodities to trade from Old Cold 🥶 Wet The continent is useless From west Africa 🦅

@@shafthespaceegg They'll need to desalinate it if they're not to end up making Chlorine gas !

Yes as a German I am absolutly positiv. It is very important for the environment that we leave fossile energy. In the beginning it will be more expensive but in the long run, it will become cheaper. Yeah and of course we should make it a win win situation for good relationship also. You can see how important that is.

Germany imports coal now 😂

Namibia and Chile should also set up frameworks so that the investment isn't exploitative as history suggest.

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It is, including for large countries with an already large renewable grid such as Brazil. What people must consider is these two additional factors: first, you need to understand how much land are involved and what part of those countries will develop those structures, as they are, comparing to European countries, very large countries with large swaths of unoccupied or deserted land. Second factor is that those H2 plants will generate important developing factors, attracting other industries and improving the economy and the educational system, all those have a chain effect that is extremely important for developing nations.

to understand that, you need to read up on the cocachamba water wars. this has happened before and not in a gentle way either.

@@nvmtt1403 I thought the Cocachamba water protests was about increased fresh water costs because of the privatization of the water company. The green hydrogen plants in other countries use sea water that can't be used for drinking. Is the project in Chile proposing using fresh water sources?

That's the reason Latin America is poor. Too many professors like this one.

There is a point in saying that industrialized countries have exploited the global south for quite a long time. However, if someone thinks that protectionism is the solution, then she or he did not understand one of the corner stones how industrialized countries built their wealth. Trading resources and goods can and will lead to a better allocation of resources (both natural and financial). Consequently, trade increases wealth in both countries: The ones that import and the ones that export. If you are a resource rich country, then what are these resources worth if you don't sell them? Basically nothing. The key question comes down to mutual beneficial conditions which protect the environment in the global south and increase the overall wealth in these countries.

H2 ...This is why Population laughs a government " experts " ...basic science .. green hydrogen produced on today's fossil-heavy grid in Texas, for example, would have an average annual carbon intensity ***over 20 kg CO2 *** per kg H2 !!! ...you are brain dead

Then why not say that? Europe and USA need to stop coming into Africa like they're doing a charity case. Treat it like a business and then no one will act surprised. Duh

Because that inequality is not naturally occuring, colonialism and imperialism brought that about. Therefore, the former colonising nation has to adress the power imbalance.

That's a common sense opinion!

@@SemiIocon The inequality between sub-saharan Africa and Eurasia stems from the difference in agricultural developement. People in Eurasia domesticated important plants and animals thousands of years earlier than sub-saharan Africans. Thus Eurasians could develop wealthy and powerful societies much earlier. So colonlialism is the consequence of inequality rather than the reason for it.

@@SemiIocon When mentioning colonialism, it is easily forgot how the indigenous population is in fact part of the scheme as well, take Kingdom of Kongo for an example, the Portuguese buy slave from them but it is Kongo that conquer and capture the population as commodity, another example is the Reduction of Lagos in 1851, the British did not actually annex Nigeria if it isn't the then King (Oba) of Lagos Kosoko refuse to end the slave trade. You heard it right, the British wanted to end slavery trade but the Nigerian king refuse to, how about this side of colonialism? Let bygone be bygone? Fine, the truth is, technology blueprint and capital do not grow on trees, the global south might have a disadvantage to catch up with the industrialized nations, but they have access to existing technology and investment which they do not have to start from the beginning as well. 'Adress the power imbalance' is a rather fancy term for interest agenda at best, populism at worst.

Yes, this 'documentary' doesn't appear to understand the concept.

It will create more jobs for china than Namibia

It will create a rubbish dump

China is already heavily invested in them. In 2006, there was an estimated 40,000 Chinese people living in Namibia

@@za7v9ier dont worry , they'ill do the GOOD WILL GESTURE :) IF GERMANY gets there ... the competition will soffocate them

Are you just anti-chinese to automatically assume they will exploit them?

It is unfortunate people of a fairer skin complexion living in the north(like those working in DW News), think people living in African countries cant run their own countries and sign foreign trade deals with richer countries.

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Yes! Many pieces of research out there: agri-solar etc.

The Namibian desert is next to the sea. Is sea water that will be used.

Germany is not investing. Just another corp -Namibia Green Hydrogen Investment Forum - T&T Corporation Ltd

There are a lot of solar projects and wind, happening in Namibia already. Namibia has human capital. Also, German through the GIZ has funded a lot of students-undergraduate and postgraduate, and a lot of researches.

I agree, it is not like that desert is used for much useful. This can be a win-win, but Namibia must get a contract with future cleanup included.

Trustworthy? Africa doesn't trust the west anymore the age of European exploitation is over...

How about reparations

@@susuilu That's a historical welfare cheque.

Yes, to you the desert is not useful so why do you want it. Stop the pretense and be sincere with yourself for once. While we welcome investments in Africa, you cannot eat your cake and have it while the people whom you disguise to help are left with crumbs or nothing. There is little or no trust for the European in Africa as you guys have shown us what you are made of.

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Namibia Green Hydrogen Investment Forum - T&T Corporation Ltd

spoken like a non Namibian.

Sovereign Countries??? Think best you visit history.

T&T Corporation is not a country

Negative no, dubious yes because the track record like other western nations coming in promising pie in the sky is BAD. Corruption abounds and locals remain in poverty.

@@mdsoulsounds Do you think the corruption problem would be better if these countries wouldn't export resources? The corrupt politicians there are the same regardless.

Journalism is there to report on the facts/ current issues/ problems. You want everything to be puff pieces? We're trying to do the same here in Australia in producing Hyrdogen as a fuel. What a re you upset about really?

It is only business. At 50%, everyone should be happy

Namibia is a relatively advanced abs peaceful African country. They’re exploiting the offshore oil that they recently discovered. They want to do business. They have uranium too which is mined already.

Probably best option for transport is to convert to ammonia.

Europe is broke with no commodities to trade from Old Cold 🥶 Wet The continent is useless From west Africa 🦅

That is in fact the only valid criticism I can see for this idea.

It's a matter of volume. Just as for crude oil. Also consider that not all countries have the same load factors. Germany offshore wind power will yield 45% load factor. Chile >70%. Same for solar panel. Again. It's not about year 5 physics. It's about uni level economics.

Another basic rule to remember: When politicians make economic decisions based on ideologies instead of engineering, you get stalled windmills in Palm Springs and solar panel boondoggles like Solyndra. "Solyndra received a $535 million U.S. Department of Energy loan guarantee, the first recipient of a loan guarantee under President Barack Obama's economic stimulus program, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.[19] The loan program took a $528 million loss from Solyndra.[20][21] Additionally, Solyndra received a $25.1 million tax break from California's Alternative Energy and Advanced Transportation Financing Authority." - Wikipedia

Nuclear power requires uranium which is expensive, found in Africa or Asia or America not Europe so high transportation cost, it's highly radioactive, extremely pollutant, and the byproduct is hazardous fatally toxic to all living things. Do you think it's worth it. Nuclear power is yesterday's news.

Not to mention Australia doesn't sit anywhere near the global trade route. That's gonna be one expensive hydrogen.

@@bulthaosen1169 What? Have you look at the map? Western Australia is near Malaka straits. Which is the center of global trade and shipping

@@falsch4761 it's not near. How in the world is that distance near? Not to mention since australia is at the edge you have to cover that distance twice.

@@bulthaosen1169 It closer as namibia and Germany if that suit you, People dont realize this simple fact and I predict you will try to attack me for stating the fact..

@@falsch4761 dude I am just stating the geographical fact. It's not like I built the planet.

Maybe it would be a good idea to move the industry that needs the resources to where the energy is produced instead of transporting the fuel, just a thought.

@@cyclewisconsin105 That's not how a global economy works. Most industries need certain demographics to cover certain workforces.

​@@cyclewisconsin105 Germany is a cold country in the northern hemisphere. They do not get the same amount of energy from the sun as a county like Namibia, besides being mostly uninhabited except for the coastal regions. In Germany those dame solar panels would be covered by snow for a quarter of the year, and more than another quarter at night, besides just getting less energy from the sun straight up because the atmosphere is denser at an angle. And also, solar panels = less mining in those same countries, so that's a win win by definition

Its just hatred of Europeans. For any European country to consider a trade deal with and underdeveloped country is considered racism at this point. quite ridiculous.

@@cyclewisconsin105 Yes and in general that is an advantage. Only if the theories of the man with the narrow mustache is believed, will it be a disadvantage.

Using salt water in a chemical process sounds like a recipe for corrosion.

@@TheGreenReaper nailed it.

Have to desalt it first.

you have to have some form of ions for electrolysis though electrode corrosion is indeed a problem

@@RandomGuy9 Which, in a hot place with lots of sun, shouldn't be too tricky.

How the companies get the hydrogen won't give any benefits. Like watch the video

Because they have to say something negative

you forget h comes from water. fresh water not sea water which is very corrosive how will people get water to drink from

So now it is to blame those poor countries for their inability to stand out against the European and US imperialism? Well, if the US and Uk have not "couped" pretty much all democracies across the developing world, they wouldn't have turned into these corrupted countries.

But sh_thole nations are awesome for doing business. You don't have to deal with namby pamby quasi-communism in the form of environmental standards and worker's rights. As my dad says, "Hang all the greens, I wantz m4h leafy greenz." Suffice to say he is pro-Beijing.

@@alaaal-mosfi5735 Here is news: The US have also "couped" Germany in 1945 and then largely influenced the implementation of the political system that subsequently lead to 70 years of prosperity and stability. Why did that not work out in other countries such as Iraq? Better ask yourself that question rather than blaming others for your misery.

@@lingen2193 (Why did that not work out in other countries such as Iraq) Maybe because killing the only guy keeping the terrorists at bay and then providing those guys with air support ended just as everyone predicted it would.

Yes, it is self-responsibility of the people who live there.

> and dramatic zoom jump cuts on the presenter. > Underpaid and unskilled staff working for DW, I guess. Instead of hiring professional video editing staff, all the money from broadcasting fees and RU-vid monetisation is presumably used to maintain the DW directors' pension system, I'm afraid.

true

We like CHINESE better, that's it... dont step into our shoes uninvited. we already told the GERMAN delegation.

germans would have exterminated africans if they had won

That's just how you interpret it. Would you rather nobody hears the story at all? Do you know what our leaders would get away with? Without a loud press, good and bad press, then, you have Russia, China, Iran, etc. A few billionaires, and the rest of the people are slaves.

It’s Africa, renowned for sophisticated European manipulation of the less adept and bribe- weary local politicians. Look no further than how France continues resource controls from its impoverished former colonies.

Well said

​@The people of Europe about what?

I hate ignorance. You should be thankful to even touch african ground after not paying reperations and not giving back namibian artifacts for so long. If you dont want to respect the "BS" you can stay where you are with expensive fracking gas.

It's not that complicated. The west is sitting on centuries of stolen African wealth. If they want to survive the climate crisis then they need to give it back. Both sides can't profit.

Yes it can be very bad to give a poor country the ability to get a advance in technology. They can start to be independent from rich country and become rich themself. Really? If no rich country invest or trade with poor country because someone can be offended and say we exploit them, then they gonna stay poor forever.

Germany doesn't know what "green" means. It's not shutting down nuclear power plants and pursuing faith-based technologies that don't actually work.

@@AstroGremlinAmerican Nuclear Power Plants are green. It is the best way to ceate electic. Much less pollution than Gas. oil, coal Power Plants. And with water you need a big dam and destroy wild life and flora. Same goes with Wind mills birds and animals do not go well with those things. If I could chose it would be Nuclear all the way.

Namibia Green Hydrogen Investment Forum - T&T Corporation Ltd

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No. The crooked leaders and the investors will be the ones to benefit. Who do you thinks sets up the regulations? The crooked leaders.

you forget h comes from water. fresh water not sea water which is very corrosive how will people get water to drink from

The only people who think this is some form of neo-colonialism is hare-brained lefties who always want to put down the developed world. The developing world can only progress though working TOGETHER with countries like Germany to bring them technological advances like this.

How do you know their leaders are crook

Namibia has a large desert alongside the sea. You can read about it. The other problem is, who will benefit? Will the benefits reach as far as the communities?

@@onesmushangula3116 I was there once. I just don't know whether saltwater can be used but I assume there could be ways to maybe even harvest the salt and use the water(?) They probably require pure water. Whether the communities benefit would be a political question. In my opinion, it would be best if states such as Namibia would run state-owned factories for green hydrogen and solar power plants and use the revenues to invest in further (green) technologies that benefit the people. Having foreign companies operate such facilities often leaves local communities with nothing, which of course has to be prevented.

If the government is corrupt, then that is something that the people of Namibia should fix. Germany can't do much about that.

@@SocratesAth Totally agree. So many people seem to fixate over the bad effects of greed/corruption, yet ignore the absurdly simple solution. The French had a very simple solution indeed in the guillotine.

So don't engage in business Why do business knowing only you are gaining Bad business ethics All eat or no one eat Furthermore Why would Africa invite Germans and other war monggers nations ? Colonisers thieves ??? All money is not good money West I suggest should buy American stuff and thats it

@@mkodyChallengesYOu You sound very bitter and also very undifferentiated. Consequently, it seems that you are trying to deflect all the blame for failing African countries to industrialized countries. And although colonialism and neo-imperialism have unarguably taken its toll on African countries, you cannot simply deflect all blame for the current condition of African countries to industrialized countries. Otherwise, if you think this thought until the very end, it means that industrialized countries should come to your country and restructure all government structures to bring it into working condition. Then you have come full circle, because this would be full blown colonialism again. Also, you would be communicating that your people are by nature unable to set up their country properly, thus introducing a racial component also. I hope that is not what you actually intend, but if you want to be independent, then you also have to take up the responsibility at some point. Then, you cannot just say that everything in your country is broken because of industrialized countries. You then have to ask yourself what you can do better to weed out the problems in your country. Also, there are positive examples in Africa such as Botswana.

@@fr89k simple answer Close borders and cut ties briefly shortly Industry means that group who protect environment will come and kick the door 😂 It's a trap for Africa and Asians to never grow after white world had Industry era development Halt it now 😉 climate change angle We can discuss terms and rules of engagement later 1 side is losing out And Jesus and peace talks and let's hold hands won't change the gap in theft and losses gained by 1 side Holocaust survivors don't settle for less Why should Africans who gained freedom last 60 or so years to self govern while in invisible political chains ?? Europe are con criminals It's in the dna 1500 till today Every 100 yeear new generations and same topic What is to gain from Africa....

​@@mkodyChallengesYOu "Holocaust survivors don't settle for less. Why should Africans who gained freedom last 60 or so years to self govern while in invisible political chains ??" - So you basically want industrialized countries to come back and do a colonialism 2.0, because you just don't want to govern yourself??? And btw.: The people of Israel were determined and have formed a very successful industrialized countries after WWII. That is not the result of demanding lots of support from Germany, but it's the result of self-determination and hard work. In contrast, with your attitude it's no wonder if your country is in shambles. Independence means self-governance and taking matters into your own hands and forming your future. It does not mean complaining about the past and waiting for somebody else to take over the government for you. In fact, it's the exact opposite of self-determination. "It's in the dna" - Ah, there we have it. Okay, so you are indeed a racist. If you want to believe that African people (or at least some of the African ethnicities) are inherently unable to govern themselves and European ethnicities are inherently criminal, then I prefer not to continue this discussion. Discussions with racists never lead anywhere...

Any brine goes back to the ocean where the impact is miniscule. Corruption is everywhere you care to look (e.g. Russia on the industrial scale. Africa barely registers). It is not an excuse for INACTION !

What do you want?

Europe is broke with no commodities to trade from Old Cold 🥶 Wet The continent is useless From west Africa 🦅

It’s good to be cautious. Europe does not have a good track record with Africa in particular

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@@rwmroy More like Africa doesn't have a good track record of democratic, honest government. Why invest in it when the leadership there will just use the money to ensure they never lose power?

​@@timmurphy5541 Then go find your green energy somewhere else

that's not going to happen, but what could be done would be something like an EU subsidy for green hydrogen that meets certain standards, to make it more competitive.

Nice try but any time you explain to Americans that they need to play fair by international rules, they will stammer, "I didn't vote for that; that's Communism." Expect the Russians and Saudis to give no better answers.

@@Ass_of_Amalek Also won’t happen But a fantastic idea

Isn‘t this exactly what OPEC is for oil. So that practise has a proven track record.

That would be a sort of OPEC for green hydrogen.

I was wondering when we'd see the usual nuke bro comment. If you are *REALLY* worried about CO2 emissions, then you should be 100% behind green H2. Not denigrating it.

@@alainpannetier2543 H2 isn't an energy source. It's just a mean of transport and storage of energy. And it's not very good at both. They apparently need H2 facilities because they can't produce enough energy with renewable themselves and thus need to transport energy from very far away (Namibia). If they had kept their nuclear powerplants, those issues wouldn't be there.

@@arthurhq5741 FOR GOD SAKE, stop it with this energy vector vs energy source BS. In fossil fuels just as much as in diatomic hydrogen, energy is stored in the chemical bonds. This vector BS has no physical justification whatsoever. You even have natural H2 sources. H2 is three times the calorific power of alcanes per kg.

Hilarious to claim that renewables are more "over-engineered" than nuclear. Nuke-bros have a different kind of brain.

@@alainpannetier2543 Ok, so : - I have nothing against renewables - hydrogen doesn't naturally occur in meaningful quantities - hydrogen is low in energy density by volume. Storing it at 700 bars (and 700 bars is a VERY high pressure) makes the issue smaller but it's still there. At that pressure, it is still 4 times less energy dense by volume than LNG. Hydrogen is also very aggressive to most materials, so compared to LNG you'll need a very large, very strong tank (chemically and physically). Transporting it is going to be a real pain. - Hydrogen causes energy loss because you need to convert electricity to hydrogen back to electricity. And you also need to compress it at extreme pressures and transport it. - Germany already had nuclear powerplants. If the question was to build new ones, the situation would be different. But it doesn't matter if they were over-engineered, because they were already there.

there are libyan smugglers

@@kukulroukul4698 And German government will pay any price, as long as it is not Russian. Are you taxpayer in Germany?

@@mladenmatosevic4591 im paying taxes YES :)

There are many more options than liquid Hydrogen.

Making ammonia or methanol instead of just hydrogen is probably the best bet.

Africa is not a Country. second: you dont understand this project, fully... do you?

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you forget h comes from water. fresh water not sea water which is very corrosive how will people get water to drink from

Oh, but they'll be importing plenty of it in the future to prop this all up. Poland switching from coal to nuclear, Slovakia, Czech Republic, etc.

instead of standing STILL(idle) like Brasilia for 2 centuries and doing NOTHING for the world ... i'd say its orders of magnitude BETTER

AFTER ALL the entire system ...political financial and educational is tinkered to TAKE US out of beds in the morning !

and the Humans Rights Watch ''dog'' says nothing about it ! :S

I really hate this Global South invention. Grouping everyone in Subhara Africa, with everyone in South America, with everyone in South Asia. WTF?! They just grouped everyone together because they are not European. I can tell you who made such a categorization, Europeans in EU and US suffering from white guilt. Actual people living in African countries never came up with this term.

The idea is to STOP using coal. On your other point, this obviously relies on the electricity being produced extremely cheaply.

It's NOT to reduce the carbon footprint of NAMIBIA you fool. It;'s to reduce GERMANY's carbon footprint ! Did you miss the whole point of this ?

In Germany politics may trump pragmatism.

URANIUM, DIAMOND reserves are just too massive. LAND... is another issue.

It’s the reporter’s job to sow doubt because western nations, particularly France, USA have a bad history of coming in, taking, and doing nothing for the locals as they bribe local politicians and warlords who are the ones who profit.

@mdsoulsounds That's how tgey equally sow lies in the name of doing tgeir job. The ongoing project adds to the economic development of the region, creates jobs for the people, and is an opportunity for them to become a global exporter of hydrogen & potentially world leader in other renewable energy technologies. Let us look at the positives and work to encourage a fair process for both panties. In doing so, it is important that we stop dwelling in the 17th century slave trade era. It happened, yes. Has it stopped? Yes. Are there rooms for even better improvements? Yes. Let us build on collaboration. Germany has not done anything bad

This is true but LNG, LPG even oil vapour is highly flammable too. It doesn't *corrode* metals but may have other effects. You require plastic coatings. At least H2 is light so rapidly disperses up wards in the environment unlike hydrocarbons that pool at ground level. As to the economy of the process, if the electricity is being produced 'dirt cheap' as it should be in the desert, low overall efficiency of the process is entirely acceptable.

@@grahamstevenson1740 no carbon based fossil fuel has anywhere near the volatility of H². The idea that H² just somehow evaporates is wrong; it is more likely to explode - violently. Have you ever been in a desert? Ever been in Namibia? Namibia has only 1 viable harbour on its coastline; Walvis Bay. It is a tiny harbour and would require extensive modifications; China just funded a major expansion of the container port so maybe German investment would not be welcome. This part of the coastline due to several geographical, meteorological and physical features is unique. It is 2000+ miles of sandy shore, has large mist banks that can stretch up to 100km+ inshore and is not called the Skeleton coast for nothing. It has 14mm of annual rain - around half an inch. It has a small population and very little infrastructure. To produce H² you would have to desalinate sea water and then split molecules to make H². A solar farm would need to be at least 30 km from the port thus meaning major construction of power lines to an H²/desalination plant. This would mean losses in transmission and therefore a bigger solar plant. Then you would need infrastructure to support all this and accommodation etc for employees. Then you would need to build an entire new harbour facility. In the beginning you would require specialist labour and this costs big bucks to get them and families to live here. Chile has similar issues; just further away from Germany. I have written a thesis on using renewables to desalinate sea water.

​@@GreenStarTechThere's potentially Luderitz but that's in an environmentally sensitive area, with several endemic species found nowhere else, or in one or two local spots within Namibia. The project planned here will destroy so much nature here. We're also world famous for the oysters we grow here, they'll be gone. No more Crayfish or lobster either, no more fishing, tourism will be affected at best, chased out at worst since they'll see how much nature will be destroyed.

Nuclear can't track load so needs storage to achieve high efficiency, is very expensive to build and operate, is difficult to run when the weather is hot, and Uranium resources are widely distributed.

So it needs to be used in conjunction with other technologies.

You need fresh water for cooling

Right, this is why France had to shut down half of its nuclear power plants because of low water levels in the rivers due to the recent heat wave and urgently needed maintenance (still ongoing). Germany was/is doing the back up power for France and has been/is forwarding six times more electricity to France as normally. The French are heating with electricity as well. If the droughts go on in the coming spring/summer season, the same problems with "cooling the reactors" will pop up again. Wind and sun is available... Just saying 😉

@@zen1647 And uranium sources are finite.

maybe the Moon holds the answers

Asteroids 😂

@@FrederikAbramson ironically enough its NOT the rare earth quantity/r''rarity'' the issue but the process of refining them that is just so costly and frustrating . So if you find and asteroid that has a marsh mellow of rare earth metals... you re still in trouble. With the Iridium platinum family Rhenium ...its a different story

"At the moment the electrolyzers need rear earth materials like platinum and iridium as catalysts " WRONG. Read the latest news on this topic. There are new catalyst announcements every month.

Platinum is NOT a 'rare earth' ! Stop using terms you clearly don't understand. There is no 'rare earth mining' involved (with its ALLEGED awful horrifying environmental costs, as if mining for other stuff has none).

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China could beat Germany here. They have less checks, concerns and have no problems bribing the right people.

VW has a big factory in xinjiang.

@@Ass_of_Amalek Don't ask Volkswagen what they were doing in WW2

So what? What is your intention? Should we rewrite history because you don‘t like facts? Germany is very well aware of it‘s past and present with the DDR and the US troops in Germany.

Yes, China's says all America's allies are 'colonies' of America.

Which would be less effective than using the electricity directly, SILLY !

What if they went with the cheapest option?