It's such a shame this project never took off properly. It was really looking like this was going to be at least something that Redbull would experiment with but alas, we never got it. We can only hold onto hope maybe the next generation of rule changes may be a bit kinder to different engine variations.
I'm so glad that this transition from a V8 to a V6 sounds so good. Much better than when F1 did it. In my opinion this thing sounds just as good as the old V8. I like it.
Why are people so butthurt? Do people even realise their road going LS series is not the SB Chev the teams use? The chassis is not the chassis you drive on the road. These cars couldn't be further from the Holdens and Fords you actually drive.
That's pretty apt Lucius. The 60s and 70s are where most Supercar fans are stuck.....the time when V8's ruled before things like turbos became a common thing in cars.
But as the name suggests now - Supercars, not touring cars. A touring car series would see alot better racing especially at Bathurst like it was before, in the era we are talking about.
Where cars were winning by laps instead of seconds? Anyone who complains about the level of competitiveness in modern supercar racing is viewing the past with very rose coloured glasses.
Today it's all about the drivers. Everycar in V8 supercars is exactly that, exact same formula tube chassis supercar. All identicle, same power, same suspension. Nothing actually local holden or ford except the panels. The better driver wins, the more reliable car wins. Boring for me because I like to see what manufacturers can bring to the track to win or to have the edge over the others.
@@mattymaher3 umm year mate lol the monaro that Peter Brock drove in the 03 bathurst 1000 was the model the new monaro that was about to be released you can even look that up
Most traditionalists in the Australian Supercar championship will always prefer the distinctive engine note of the V8 but this turbocharged V6 doesn't sound too bad. It is a much better sounding engine than the V6 in F1, which sounds like a turbocharged vacuum cleaner. Those engines may have seen technological advancements in fuel efficiency and technology, but they are harming the sport because they are far too complicated and expensive and have taken a huge part of the experience of an F1 weekend away from the fans, because the noise of the cars lacks considerably when compared to the likes of the magnificent V10 of between 1995-2005.
Aor87 The traditionalists remember the days of 4s and 6s mixing it up. Of Minis going up the inside of Mustangs at the elbow and then getting blown into the weeds down conrod. Traditionalists remember Peter Williamsons Celica making Camaros look slow. The history of Bathurst is all about different sizes of cars and engines going at it.
I'm going to miss a full field of V8's, but time marches on. As long as the racing is good I'll still be watching. Like many, I look at the various series' and wonder what the future holds. In 20 years most cars sold will probably be either full electric of hybrids, and will drive themselves (and if you choose a car without self-drive, your insurance premiums will probably be higher).
Ive owned both, an R32 gtr and most recently a 06 R8, and at 26yrs old that twin turbo was a force to be reckoned with. This TT V6 sounds exciting and should have alot of potential.
Twin turbo or put a blower on that ute NOW!!! Or put the Buick V6, built for big boost in her and get 1000+HP. Of V6 powa baby. i have an Ecotec turbo that's ran high 9s with a bad rear end and other issues, due to spending everything on the motor ans drive train so far. Shes had major top and bottom end work. Runs a single 92mm turbo and haltech ECU. Wasn't too laggy even before nitrous, having a few more cubes than most jap cars and once made a 1311hp 40psi hub dyno pull! But unlike when I was pushing stockish V6s to their limits, I now have to turn it down to make sub 10 passes 😂 I could have 2X900-1500hp, reliable LS engines for what I spent on the boosted mang engine.
Sassil the Sasquatch! If you mean in Supercars? You're wrong :/ it's unfortunate but they seem to be going down the same path as formula 1 down grading engine size to lower emissions (don't quote me on that) but we'll get the same times and stuff.... But I'm gonna miss the sounds of those V8s just like I miss the sounds of the V10s in formula 1
10 years time f1 will be on pushbike, v8 supercars will be 31cc single cylinder skate boards why do emissions matter when its 15 to 25 cars racing for a few hours once every few weeks ffs.......cut emissions on road cars and leave race cars to roam freely in their natural habitat! its like painting a leopard bright pink or removing a lions teeth! rant over.! maybe
@@thespookymilkman7015 actually for a while the Mclaren GT3 car held the lap record driven by Shane Van Gisburgen in one of the Bathurst 12 hours, Jensens lap in the Mclaren Mercedes is the unofficial lap record however both the Mclaren Merc and the gt3 are faster than Mclaren Honda 😂
detroit nelson The team who builds and designs parts for all teams and this V6TT is called Red Bull Holden Racing Team, commonly abbreviated to simply "Red Bull". You fucken degenerate.
THANK YOU for leaving the cliche electronica/dubstep to the very end so we can hear the beautiful TT V6, straight cut gear whine and compressor surge. :)
Oh no! Not change! people really are resistant arent they. Not fussed either way, but aren't they changing to this spec engine to open the category up to other manufacturers? It'd be great to see it back to something similar to the 80s before all this holden/ ford shit became the norm. Don't forget even the great Peter Brock drove a Volvo, a Beamer and a Sierra at one time or another.
I've got to agree. The current series is boring, and I've been following the categories since the early 80's. Group C was fantastic, what a mix of engines and cars in the field. The new twin turbo does sound great, looks bloody quick too.
Yeah open it right up, get the mini's back in spanking big engines on the mountain, holden V ford is like a crusty nugget dangling off australia's ass, cut the thing loose. Bringing variety to a race is more appealing then a stupid grudgematch between 2 dead manifacturers
Idk why but this car and it's flutter sounds a lil retro in a great way (probs coz it reminds me of the r32 in mt panorama). It sounds like it's generating alot of power too. I personally woulda wished the v6's and v8s got to battle it out and see who's king of the hill year after year. 6 cyl cars aren't exactly new territory to us Australians. We're masters of both configurations. It could've been such a cool concept in my opinion..
ben pasquale the whole point was to get rid of the GTR and to some extent the ford turbo too. It has taken 20 years for the old v8s to catch up, they are now only a few seconds faster than 20 year old cars without all the Aero........ think about that. I miss Godzilla! Rarrrrrrrh.
Steven Alush im a huuugggeee turbo straight 6 over v8 guy...but wtf are they thinking?? Dont fuck with something thats not broken! It was only getting better with other manufacturers coming into the sport...now we have this to look forward too! 😔🤧😱
While I agree with you, sadly the supporters saying they prefer a V8 but with sales down most supporters not driving locally produced cars, its just how it is.
As an American who loves V8 Supercar I'm a little let down. The car looks more bulbous than streamline and the exhaust note isn't doing it for me. Still think it's the greatest form of racing on the planet, just a little bummed I guess. Just one favor, please don't ever go to paddle shifting...that will break my heart...haha.
This isn't going to be the model you'll be seeing. This is just a wagon that's show casing the V6 turbo that will be introduced in 2019. Next year (2018) will be featuring the new 'Holden Commondore' model but with the V8 engine under the bonnet. The new 'Commondore' doesn't look great, it's not Australian or have any DNA of previous Commondores in it and people are pissed. The respectful thing to do is call it something else and put a pin in the Commondore name.
They weren't actually "racing" it, it was just a demo. That being said Dane has said it still needs some work, but they don't introduce it until 2019. Theoretically it should be quite capable though - the appeal of a V6TT is that it has really good power output with a *lot* less weight. That being said, the Supercars rules suggest they would be equalising the cars so if you're using a V6TT you have to weigh the car down. It's an odd plan...
I still reckon and have done so for a number of years now they need to run another series in conjunction with Bathurst, but a mini style bathurst which is a stepping stone for drivers wanting to compete in bathurst. Engine capacity limited to a 6cyl series class only, however the engine can be turbo/supercharged like the vehicle featured and NOT limited to Holden/Ford, it could be opened up to all marques. It would garner more interest from a younger generation and get them to be the next spectators to carry the torch for enjoying Bathurst
It had a great note at the track. (Even said to Roland Dane and Greg Murphy at the time it sounded like an Audi S1 rally car to which they half chuckled and agreed with)
Sounds bloody great!! Fantastic job Red Bull Racing! Spiritual successor to the great GTR XU1, HR S and X2, and the EH's that raced in their day. If it can't be a V8, then seeing something with this engine cream a Ford V8 Mustang, if that's possible, would be awesome!!
Sim00110 I bet he's actually just a bogan. They love their Holdens and ever non-Holden is automatically terrible. They'd prefer to drive a Barina over a 5-series.
I reckon they should have a Bathurst production class as a prequel to the main event. It should only be 6 cyls, however they could be turbo or n/a with a maximum hp rating of 500 bhp and any car make. Would be a rather interesting event. Cap the lap to 20. Great stepping stone for those wanting to eventually be in the great race
At my age I've watched the racing from Bathurst for many, many years. Seen many Kiwis have great success there, in all manor of cars. Hopefully I'll see many more. I read the comments on here and honestly can't believe that some of the people typing them have enough intelligence to know how to breathe air and pick their nose at the same time. I love the v8s and always have done, but lets face it people, it's time to move on and accept the fact they are a dying breed regardless of brand. As for the 'Sandman' that Murph drove around the mountain, a moments research online would have revealed that T8 didn't build the car to be representative of an actual racing vehicle. It was an idea that RD came up with, and Holden approved, to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the original. It was built as a full out race-car, but not a v8 Supercar spec vehicle as it had a 5.7 litre 700 h.p. v8, fly-by-wire throttle action and paddle shifting for the gearbox amongst other things. It seems that the TTv6 was fitted to this chassis for further testing purposes.
It's ok and I like the flutter but if the V8 Supercars actually do this then there is no point calling it "V8 Supercars" and I can not think of any cooler name unless it is already taken by another Motorsport
Well, I can certainly see a bright future for this engine and race car, it is only a matter of time before the circuits of Australia are flooded with twin turbo V6 Holden station wagons. They are going to be so common that the average punter will get sick of looking at them.
Why? It's still all V8s next year. They aren't allowed to introduce the V6TT to the race lineup until 2019, and even then, not everyone will necessarily adopt the V6TT.
Nissan R32 GTR sounded much better and made more power back in early 90's. Taken Holden 26 years to develop an engine that makes less power and sounds worse, well done!!
01ajmc back in the 90s, the R32 was just another car, it is lauded by you kids so much because you grew up playing computer games. The Group A Sierras at the time were just as fast but couldn't make their 90s tech tyres go the distance. Or were you too young to watch racing back then?
R Soul I'm a 47 year old "kid"! Yeh the rs500 cosworth sierras were an awesome car aswell, the gtr was the only thing that could keep up with or beat them, Holden v8's had nothing.
Except they dropped the V8 from the Supercars name a few years ago. Teams are allowed to develop either a Turbo 4cyl, Twin turbo V6 or naturally aspirated V8
Sounds fantastic. I'm keen to see where the series is headed now that local v8's are no more. It's an opportunity to strengthen the class and create depth with possible new manufacturers. Everyone moaning about the death of the v8's needs to look at the Australian touring car racing from the period of mid 60's to mid 80's. Heaps of manufacturers, lots of very different powertrain combinations but probably the most enjoyable from a spectators point of view. God luck.
By that I mean Australia makes no cars anymore. The Holdens that race in the v8 supercars don't even exist anymore. The mustangs are imported from the US. I can't even bring myself to watch them anymore.
@@tayhut Oh wow, I didn't know that and that is indeed bad news not only for Australia but also for the Supercars series. I watched the series in the mid-90s for 3 seasons, then Eurosport stopped showing it, and I rediscovered it via the internet in 2000 & in 2001 Motors TV made it available to the European audience once again and I then stopped following when they introduced the silhouette rules beginning with the 2014 (?) season when also several other manufacturers came into the series though due to those silhouette rules real technical competition wouldn't happen anyway. It more or less became like NASCAR. What GM did to Holden and Opel and Vauxhall in Germany is appaling though they even messed up in the US. The managers of course won't feel any bad consequences, that's the worst part. What about Ford's production in Australia though?
If you are talking about the sound when he lifts off the throttle that isn't the wastegate, it's called flutter or surge and is on the compressor side.
DriftNick as long as there is no air escaping when it does a blow off. Then it will flutter. But with a wastegate the revs open up and everything is wayyyyyyy louder. Everything is louder with a ext wastagate.
Minus the wastegate part you are correct, wastegates have nothing to do with the sound, you could remove the wastegate and the flutter will happen the same.
What an insult to all the men and women who built cars in this country, in what is now a defunct industry, to be calling this a Sandman let alone a Holden.....besides...heard better at McDonalds carpark Auburn...
Nztrailriders you should think yourself lucky that Australia had a proud history of making some of the best muscle cars and road cars in the world. And you should also think yourself lucky that Australia has provided your police force with cars for thirty years when they probably would've been driving British shitboxes. Your little island has produced nothing worth speaking of
Captain Kaos We split the Atom, we allowed women the vote first, climbed Mt Everest first, first to drive to the south pole, we invented the Hamilton Jet, the Bungee jump, the Britten V1000... plenty happening in Kiwi land. At least you invented the rotary clothes line in Aus though. Good job with that one.
Brem lol thanks mate, we are real proud of the old hills hoist washing line. But in saying that, you kiwis are some smart cookies over there, you have a good car culture too.
I am a Ford fan, still like the Holdens as well. This one sounds like a beast, odd hearing blow off valves on a Holden though. I remember the original Sandman Holdens.