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Groundbreaking Consciousness Theory By Microprocessor Inventor | Federico Faggin & Bernardo Kastrup 

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A new theory of consciousness proposes that qualia -- for instance, the scent of a rose -- reside in quantum fields.
Federico Faggin is one of the greatest luminaries of high technology alive today. A physicist by education, he is the inventor of the microprocessor and the MOS silicon gate technology, both of which underlie the modern world's entire information technology. With the knowledge and experience of a lifetime in cutting-edge fields, Federico now turns his attention to consciousness and the nature of reality, sharing with us his profound insights on the classical and quantum worlds, artificial intelligence, life and the human mind. In this discussion, he elaborates on an idealist model of reality, produced after years of careful thought and direct experience, according to which nature's most fundamental level is that of consciousness as a quantum phenomenon, while the classical physical world consists merely of evocative symbols of a deeper reality.
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00:00 Intro
02:15 Announcing Irreducible: Consciousness, Life, Computers, and Human Nature
03:28 Core Message of Irreducible
05:23 Bernardo Kastrup on Irreducible
13:17 Introduction at ASML by Hans Busstra
18:55 Interview with Federico at ASML
21:37 When did you realize consciousness cannot be computed?
25:43 On the distinction between intelligence and consciousness
36:04 Federico's theory in relation to The Matrix
37:35 You have to start with consciousness and free will as postulates
42:42 Are emotions a product of consciousness?
43:30 What about a person who is brain-dead?
47:54 Federico on the fact that his theory is speculative but needed
49:24 On the order of consciousness, life, computers, human nature
50:57 The universe wants to know itself
52:37 Quantum theory and pre-modern intuitions
53:55 The evolution of life is cycle of meaning to symbol
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@DrFuzzyFace
@DrFuzzyFace Месяц назад
As a lifelong physicalist (retired eye doctor with undergrad studies in physics), what a joy it was to discover that I was WRONG ... that materialism truly is "Baloney." Only now is it obvious that consciousness is primary - that it is an ontological primitive - that all we have is awareness and the specious present, and that what we call the 'physical world' is an inference; a theoretical abstraction. Words cannot express how thankful I am to have discovered such luminaries as Bernardo Kastrup and Federico Faggin. Thanks also to the Essentia Foundation who are committed to promoting such metaphysical positions as analytic idealism.❤
@DrFuzzyFace
@DrFuzzyFace Месяц назад
@@Gnaritas42 "I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative of consciousness." (Max Planck)
@maxtroy
@maxtroy Месяц назад
Look up Ian McGilchrist and prepare to have your mind blown
@DrFuzzyFace
@DrFuzzyFace Месяц назад
@@maxtroy Already have. And let's not forget Donald Hoffman. Cheers.
@Koort1008
@Koort1008 Месяц назад
Not this, not that.
@shuttzi9878
@shuttzi9878 Месяц назад
Idk what's so mind-blowing bout it
@rameshdevasi6720
@rameshdevasi6720 Месяц назад
osho : "Love is a by-product of a rising consciousness. It is just like a fragrance of a flower. Don’t search for it in the roots; it is not there. Your biology is your roots; your consciousness is your flowering. As you become more and more an open lotus of consciousness, you will be surprised - taken aback - with a tremendous experience which can only be called love. You are so full of joy, so full of bliss, each fiber of your being is dancing with ecstasy. You are just like a rain cloud that wants to rain and shower. The moment you are overflowing with bliss, a tremendous longing arises in you, to share it. That sharing is love'"
@djolemacola
@djolemacola Месяц назад
As I undestood mr Federicos proposition it is the other way around. With the loving consciousness being the primary and the whole process of a seed originitaing, sprouting and eventually smelling to other physicalrepresentations of consciousness, all of it being the free will of what originaly was just a quantum field. It is particularly difficult to comprehand because time works a bit different on a quantum level and we cant really comprehand eternity, here and now in our physical form burdened by our present persepctive and experience of the limited, of the physical. Thanks for bringing in Osho into this thought line. Great addition.
@Arctic-fox717
@Arctic-fox717 Месяц назад
Osho was a sex crazed radical .. smart with words.
@sampurna5523
@sampurna5523 28 дней назад
Source please bro
@cyphrTube
@cyphrTube 27 дней назад
Love is the only infinite resource.
@mravocado1283
@mravocado1283 26 дней назад
@@sampurna5523source is at the top: osho
@TheTheahart
@TheTheahart Месяц назад
Thank you! I’m a child of the 1960s. I had my first psychedelic experience, listened to Alan Watts live every week on television, and started meditating when I was 14. I’m now 78. Many of the ideas you now address with concerted analytic vigor I have been thinking about all my life since then. I believe that Bernardo and scientists like Fernando Fagin and others are vigorously building the paradigm shift we have long awaited. Everyone should thank you, but they don’t get it yet. On behalf of humanity and life on earth, I thank you all. Keep it up!
@whitey6317
@whitey6317 Месяц назад
I always knew a God had to exist after an acid trip when I was looking down at my self and viewing the room from a third person perspective.
@matthewmaguire3554
@matthewmaguire3554 Месяц назад
We should start a club (My experience parallels your story…I’m 71 and been with coach Watts since the seventies) start the worlds largest disorganized religion. For further coaching might I suggest on RU-vid a brilliant woman named Sarah and her podcast “The Alchemist”.🏌️
@goodsirknight
@goodsirknight Месяц назад
beautiful
@babzz1310
@babzz1310 Месяц назад
It never occurred to me that Alan Watts was aired on television.
@myofasciatherapy8191
@myofasciatherapy8191 Месяц назад
Same here, just 63. Nothing there which can have any impact on my consciousness of BEING and LIGHT. Problems are 'just' outside ❤to find solutions. Not taking over my conscious state. That is all if we just would be told :)
@user-lb8bg6kj9m
@user-lb8bg6kj9m Месяц назад
We are going to come full circle ⭕ when spirituality and science merge. The science of the soul.
@smittyk1378
@smittyk1378 Месяц назад
beautifully said
@NoSubsWithContent
@NoSubsWithContent 27 дней назад
that's what psychology was meant to be, then some guy who wanted to do his mom made it weird
@DrChristy
@DrChristy 23 дня назад
On point! 🎯
@officersoulknight6321
@officersoulknight6321 16 дней назад
Yeah but it will also lead to the most horrifying weapons humanity has ever made. If it exists, someone will weaponize it.
@reverend11-dmeow89
@reverend11-dmeow89 14 дней назад
That's a False Flag Op there in that. A Coin Scienceiosophy = Obverse face Religiosophy = Reverse face Reality = between the two ;-)
@cdrummerrob
@cdrummerrob Месяц назад
" What I can say about what I feel is much much less then what I feel " beautiful quote
@billob1305
@billob1305 Месяц назад
I am a perfumer and through out years am i trying to figure out how to combine scents and predict the outcome.Along the way have I made astonishing observations.The most awing observation is what I call the concluding phase of smell formation:The exact moment the scent show ups in your mind,is when your feeling of intentional sniffing concludes.The sensation is transferring from physical to mind.
@starrychloe
@starrychloe 22 дня назад
Perfume: The Story of a Murderer
@jllemin4
@jllemin4 18 дней назад
That's very cool
@ancientflames
@ancientflames 12 дней назад
hate to break it to you but the mind is physical.
@bunberrier
@bunberrier 3 дня назад
​@@ancientflames No you are
@mmckc66
@mmckc66 Месяц назад
What a joy, I can’t help but give thanks to all the people who have made this video possible, past and present. How fantastic is it to be a human trying to understand the consciousness we are all a part of! The gift that keeps giving, smelling the roses and rejoicing and then the joy of being able to deeply think about it all, and then the joy of sharing with us your thinking. Beautiful, thank you all.
@zachhoy
@zachhoy Месяц назад
Really nicely expressed :D I would add that in a way, it's not just some people that made this video possible, but rather it's EVERYTHING, every field, every particle, the sum of all forces at every moment in time, that precipitated this opportunity to contemplate this wisdom. :D
@zachhoy
@zachhoy Месяц назад
@@teatime009 I'm sure you'd know a thing or two about being unhinged, it appears
@mmckc66
@mmckc66 Месяц назад
​@@zachhoythank you!
@mmckc66
@mmckc66 Месяц назад
​@@teatime009Hello, had to take a minute and look up what propriception means😂..I found it so ironic in a funny way, that you used this word, but its insertion in my lexicon has been very helpful to me😀I guess I was watching this video in a way to help me understand the propriception of "I" in consciousness, as opposed to the position of my body in time and space!
@erikaarnold4780
@erikaarnold4780 28 дней назад
@Bxnjamin
@Bxnjamin Месяц назад
He described exactly what I experienced when my mind exploded from a brownie once in Amsterdam. I saw myself as a ball of light inside my head controlling my body like a machine. My eyes were like windows, my physical movements delayed and separate to my conciousness. I never saw reality or myself the same again since
@codymedford4308
@codymedford4308 Месяц назад
What was in those brownies psilocybin? When I did dmt I became an atom vibrating in harmony with every other atom in the universe. I swear it lifted the veil covering the quantum world. Definitely a life changing experience.
@Bxnjamin
@Bxnjamin Месяц назад
​@@codymedford4308 haha that sounds mad, what else did you see? whats crazy is that i always wanted to do dmt, but thought i'd wait til i was sure I was ready to look at life differently..Then this happened and i went through an ego death anyway lol. My awareness since has been crazy.. lots of strange synchronicities. This brownie supposedly had just weed, but i've never smoked anything before.. only had edibles.. and when i do i have these very visual mind opening experiences.
@laniakeas92
@laniakeas92 Месяц назад
The thing is even psychedelics won't give you a clear description of what it feels to have conciousness outside of human perception. Your human perception alters, sure. But you won't be able to understand. Conciousness is pobably a feature of many living beings, and probably even trees and plants to some degree. But it's only in combination with our human brain - you can reflect on how being concious feels specifically for humans. Probably plants experience this conciousness thing in a totally different way than you lol
@Bxnjamin
@Bxnjamin Месяц назад
@@codymedford4308 haha that sounds crazy, what kinds of things did you see? The funny thing is I've always planned to do dmt, but wanted to wait til i was completely ready to see the world and myself differently. This cake supposedly only had weed, but i've never smoked anything before, just edibles.. It seems i brought on the same ego death i was cautious of accidentally lol Since this occasion in 2019 I've had very very impactful visual experiences with weed edibles, and my awareness has elevated immensely. Many strange occurrences of synchronicity and stuff day to day. I feel i have a much higher understanding of my mind, thought patterns, time, and space and use edibles in much smaller doses now if ever. It doesn't feel like something necessary after what I've been taught.
@Bxnjamin
@Bxnjamin Месяц назад
@@laniakeas92 facts. The reality is that we only see and are aware of a fraction of what composes reality. We may be able to experience new lenses to see through, but there is so much beyond our comprehension that we are a part of, in this dimension and beyond. As you said, plants are known to have their own experiences; they live, communicate and feel just in different ways to us. I don't like to subscribe to many beliefs, but i like to think that the universe itself is consciousness, one thing breathing cyclically, and everything within it is part of that one thing, like how if you opened an egg everything within is still the egg, just separate components. That each of us are just different viewpoints of the same thing.
@leefogle4383
@leefogle4383 Месяц назад
I bought this book, Irreducible after watching this video. I’m blown away by the clarity of this view of consciousness. Having studied metaphysics, religions, meditation, and non duality for 45 years of adult life, Federico settles the dust of debate in the Preface! I am totally enjoying this book! Well done!
@adolfo1981
@adolfo1981 Месяц назад
Me too! Just bought it. So far it's been a pleasure and easy to understand
@trobodon
@trobodon Месяц назад
💯I got the book too, and it's amazing, I recommend it to anyone who is watching this video. It's understandable without any scientific background. It gives a comprehensive history of scientific developments that have lead to the view that consciousness is a product of the brain that is understandable on 'how we got to here'. Federico gives his own insights on consciousness and free will as fundamental properties of existence in the context of our knowledge of quantum physics. The book is scientifically grounded, but ultimately it reads to me as a deeply spiritual book. In Tibetan Bön and Buddhism, the path follows the steps of View, Meditation, Action and Fruition, where in some paths, view is the most important foundation, and involves understanding the nature of yourself and all existence. This book is very much about establishing the view that we live in a non-dual existence and universe as the wisdom traditions have always been saying, ( and Federico acknowledges ). Federico shares his personal experience of awakening, and how that experience and his understanding that free will and consciousness are fundamental properties of all existence, and that we ourselves, are conscious fields inhabiting bodies, not our bodies themselves, and therefore will continue to exist after bodily death. Beyond the view, Federico shares, how living with it has enriches his life, as it restores meaning and purpose to ourselves and our existence, stripped away by the materialst view of the universe. I can't encourage the book more, for anyone who is scientifically interested, spiritually oriented, is interested or concerned about AI and computer consciousness ( a big part of the book ), or wonders about the big questions about the meaning of life, existence, purpose, and whether we have our own agency and free will, or are living out a predetermined existence. I would like to find a place a to have a discussion forum around the book, but for now am so glad to see a lot of interest in these ideas here. Once anyone has given it a read, please share your thoughts here, I'm very eager to talk about it with other people interested in these ideas.
@MichaelJones-ek3vx
@MichaelJones-ek3vx Месяц назад
Can't wait to get it.
@vibewithme2318
@vibewithme2318 Месяц назад
Im glad more of our brightest minds are studying consciousness more. When i went to NC State, alot of my friends who studied physics or were minorly interested in the field were very cautious to even talk about such a thing I hope the stigma attached to it decreases and we keep diving deeper and deeper into it!
@JK-or3nu
@JK-or3nu Месяц назад
Why wouldn’t the brightest minds study themselves, that is what the mind does
@angiehewerdine
@angiehewerdine Месяц назад
This is paradigm shifting and I'm happy that we are arriving here at last. Thank you, Federico Faggin, for opening this window for us!
@Zencba
@Zencba 20 дней назад
Are we suppose to merge with A.I and robotics?
@chrisc9725
@chrisc9725 Месяц назад
He is saying what they have been saying in Hinduism and Buddhism for thousands of years.
@AdvaiticOneness1
@AdvaiticOneness1 Месяц назад
He mentioned that at 49:47
@cosmosapien597
@cosmosapien597 Месяц назад
Buddhism is Hinduism only. Cause Hinduism isn't a single religion. It is a term used for faiths/schools originating in India, and Buddhism is of Indian origin, so don't separate. The modern classifications are done by foreigners who didn't understand anything. We must correct it.
@TheLastOutlaw289
@TheLastOutlaw289 26 дней назад
@@cosmosapien597 infact the very word “Hinduism” is false. The collection of Indian religious systems should be properly referred to as Vedic Religion and Brahmanism….I think you know Hindu is a Persian mispronunciation of Sindu which was a river in India that some people lived by and were also called by that name.
@cosmosapien597
@cosmosapien597 26 дней назад
@@TheLastOutlaw289 Those two words don't include many other sects. Like tantra. They should be called Hindu schools with an 's' to indicate that they are part of Hindu civilization.
@mdmd0101
@mdmd0101 26 дней назад
​@@TheLastOutlaw289Thank you , I didn't know this
@Katethesk8
@Katethesk8 Месяц назад
I listened 3x in the past 24 hours - this here video is a complete game changer 🙌🏻 my prayer is that the unconscious algorithms get this info out to the right conscious minds so we can cooperate, better humanity and look forward to a new future on this planet rooted in love and peace. #faith
@KevinMakins
@KevinMakins Месяц назад
Spread it word of mouth in your networks.
@bigboicreme
@bigboicreme 28 дней назад
Ok​@@KevinMakins
@ChimbzZ
@ChimbzZ Месяц назад
This talk reinforces my belief that out next breakthrough in history will be of the human mind. I feel we're on the cusp of advancements in terms of our understanding of ourselves. Brings hope to my poor human heart 😊
@polyphony250
@polyphony250 Месяц назад
Probably no quantum processes in the heart, just saying.
@ChimbzZ
@ChimbzZ Месяц назад
@@polyphony250 what if maybe there are 👀
@pepi357bbq
@pepi357bbq Месяц назад
Not that I have heard anything I dont know from my own experience in this video, but the way Federico incorporated it with physics and quantum theory ....WOW just WOW. Thank you so much for posting this video.
@hansenlee81
@hansenlee81 Месяц назад
Nice to see the scientists are finally catching up to basic yogic knowledge :))
@leeroy5665
@leeroy5665 Месяц назад
I have had 5 out of body experiences, 4 were from a sober state. Each one was more real than my everyday reality, and I have memory of every single second of every single detail, nowhere in my life do I have memories as crystal clear as my out of body experiences. Just the sheer clarity of my memory of those experiences proves to me that life expands outside of the physical vibration speed of this dimension. Our consciousness/soul/spirit/quantum mind exists inside and outside of the body. This individual mind makes up one large individual mind.
@albejaine
@albejaine Месяц назад
Assertions**
@GardenLives
@GardenLives Месяц назад
Life is the universe's way of knowing itself.
@tubal1
@tubal1 Месяц назад
Good one, But I'd say not only "life", but "matter". Actually, "life" is, let's say, an advanced form of "matter"
@juang4618
@juang4618 Месяц назад
One can only "know" something if it is separate from that which is to be known. "To be" there is no dualism. So yes, dualistic realities are attempts at knowing.
@TURFU_ekitroll
@TURFU_ekitroll Месяц назад
SCSPL 🤓
@RegiJatekokMagazin
@RegiJatekokMagazin Месяц назад
I know myself, I dont know universe, but we have an easy word for it as a whole, if its possible, than the language and the universe its just complexity difference.
@bobhope5114
@bobhope5114 Месяц назад
Why go though all that trouble?
@Discovering_Humanity
@Discovering_Humanity Месяц назад
To quote Bernardo himself: „Unfathomable change is on the horizon“
@zachhoy
@zachhoy Месяц назад
it was and always will be on the horizon :D doesn't mean we shouldn't move towards it though, even if it's an illusion
@Volhybo1t
@Volhybo1t Месяц назад
What are you trying to reveal?
@gastronic
@gastronic Месяц назад
@@Volhybo1t It's unfathamable and ineffable ;-)
@paultorbert6929
@paultorbert6929 Месяц назад
@@gastronic I concur 😊😺🙏💛
@gastronic
@gastronic Месяц назад
@@paultorbert6929 🙏
@krzysztofwos1856
@krzysztofwos1856 Месяц назад
Quite a few aspects of Federico Faggin's description of the universe are essentially the Seven Hermetic Principles. Truth is universal, and it is being re-discovered again and again in more and more detail. This talk is the first compelling description of the quantum nature of consciousness I have heard.
@Fenix_Kage
@Fenix_Kage 17 дней назад
The argument Federico Faggin makes at 30m is: We can't accurately put feelings into words, therefore they cannot be copied. Quantum states also cannot be copied, therefore feelings must come from quantum states. That is in itself a logical fallacy - a version of the inverse error. But the whole concept that feelings must be outside of classical physics just because they evade description is one of many statements in this interview that indicate he simply doesn't understand neurology well enough. If he did, he would have realized that it may simply be because the limbic system evolved hundreds of millions of years before Broca's or Wernike's areas and because of that it operates so differently that it cannot communicate much information to them, even if it DID have the pathways to do so (which it doesn't). It's not uncommon for someone with a high degree of specialty in certain areas, in this case physics and engineering, to look at a problem in another area and assume that they can grasp it just as well as the specialists of those fields. Like all of us, it's hard for him to wrap his head around the fact that language and consciousness are only the very tip of what the brain is doing - we are unaware of the vast majority of what is going on in our own heads. THAT is why it is such a black box. So he looks at this mystery with his physics hammer and assumes it must be the same quantum nail that is still a mystery in physics. There may very well be mechanisms in the brain that go beyond classical physics, but he's basically the guy who sees something in the sky that he can't identify and then telling everyone that it must be aliens.
@KT-sl4js
@KT-sl4js Месяц назад
I literally cried with joy at certain parts - truly beautiful and harmonious insights. Thank you Federico & Essentia ❤
@marcobiagini1878
@marcobiagini1878 Месяц назад
I am a physicist and I will explain why our scientific knowledge refutes the idea that consciousness is generated by the brain and that the origin of our mental experiences is physical/biological . My argument proves that the fragmentary structure of brain processes implies that brain processes are not a sufficient condition for the existence of consciousness, which existence implies the existence in us of an indivisible unphysical element, which is usually called soul or spirit (in my youtube channel you can find a video with more detailed explanations). I also argue that all emergent properties are subjective cognitive contructs that depend on the level of abstraction one chooses to analyze the system and are used to approximately describe underlying physical processes; these descriptions refer only to mind-dependent entities, and therefore consciousness, being implied by these cognitive contructs, cannot itself be an emergent property. Preliminary considerations: the concept of set refers to something that has an intrinsically conceptual and subjective nature and implies the arbitrary choice of determining which elements are to be included in the set; what exists objectively are only the single elements. In fact, when we define a set, it is like drawing an imaginary line that separates some elements from all the other elements; obviously this imaginary line does not exist physically, independently of our mind, and therefore any set is just an abstract and subjective cognitive construct and not a physical entity and so are all its properties. Similar considerations can be made for a sequence of elementary processes; sequence is a subjective and abstract concept. Mental experience is a precondition for the existence of subjectivity/arbitrariness and cognitive constructs, therefore mental experience cannot itself be a cognitive construct; obviously we can conceive the concept of consciousness, but the concept of consciousness is not actual consciousness. (With the word consciousness I do not refer to self-awareness, but to the property of being conscious= having a mental experiences such as sensations, emotions, thoughts, memories and even dreams). From the above considerations it follows that only indivisible elements may exist objectively and independently of consciousness, and consequently the only logically coherent and significant statement is that consciousness exists as a property of an indivisible element. Furthermore, this indivisible entity must interact globally with brain processes because we know that there is a correlation between brain processes and consciousness. This indivisible entity is not physical, since according to the laws of physics, there is no physical entity with such properties; therefore this indivisible entity can be identified with what is traditionally called soul or spirit. The soul is the missing element that interprets globally the distinct elementary physical processes occurring at separate points in the brain as a unified mental experience. Some clarifications. The brain doesn't objectively and physically exist as a mind-independent entity since we create the concept of the brain by separating an arbitrarily chosen group of quantum particles from everything else. This separation is not done on the basis of the laws of physics, but using addictional subjective criteria, independent of the laws of physics; actually there is a continuous exchange of molecules with the blood and when and how such molecules start and stop being part of the brain is decided arbitrarily. An example may clarify this point: the concept of nation. Nation is not a physical entity and does not refer to a mind-independent entity because it is just a set of arbitrarily chosen people. The same goes for the brain. Brain processes consist of many parallel sequences of ordinary elementary physical processes occurring at separate points. There is no direct connection between the separate points in the brain and such connections are just a subjective abstractions used to approximately describe sequences of many distinct physical processes. Indeed, considering consciousness as a property of an entire sequence of elementary processes implies the arbitrary definition of the entire sequence; the entire sequence as a whole (and therefore every function/property/capacity attributed to the brain) is a subjective abstraction that does not refer to any mind-independendent reality. Physicalism/naturalism is based on the belief that consciousness is an emergent property of the brain. However, an emergent property is defined as a property that is possessed by a set of elements that its individual components do not possess; my arguments prove that this definition implies that emergent properties are only subjective cognitive constructs and therefore, consciousness cannot be an emergent property. Actually, all the alleged emergent properties are just simplified and approximate descriptions or subjective/arbitrary classifications of underlying physical processes or properties, which are described directly by the fundamental laws of physics alone, without involving any emergent properties (arbitrariness/subjectivity is involved when more than one option is possible; in this case, more than one possible description). An approximate description is only an abstract idea, and no actual entity exists per se corresponding to that approximate description, simply because an actual entity is exactly what it is and not an approximation of itself. What physically exists are the underlying physical processes. Emergence is nothing more than a cognitive construct that is applied to physical phenomena, and cognition itself can only come from a mind; thus emergence can never explain mental experience as, by itself, it implies mental experience. My approach is scientific and is based on our scientific knowledge of the physical processes that occur in the brain; my arguments prove that the very foundations of our scientific knowledge excludes the possibility that the physical processes that occur in the brain could be a sufficient condition for the existence of consciousness. Marco Biagini
@cooltheory
@cooltheory Месяц назад
😳
@Genious_Trades
@Genious_Trades Месяц назад
This is very interesting and many parts went over my head, but let’s meet in the next phase of life and talk about how your views have changed since this post 😄
@moi-tripa
@moi-tripa Месяц назад
Thank you
@starrychloe
@starrychloe 22 дня назад
Shut up nerd
@byronbates7404
@byronbates7404 12 дней назад
My mind was lost to the universe long ago lol !
@NoahiShere2667
@NoahiShere2667 Месяц назад
it s so refreshing to see the jungian point of view of consciousness being revitalised in modern topics that gives us a better understaning of it know in the age of quantum mechanics, he was so ahead of his time indeed, also thank you for the video.
@fusunpamukoglu240
@fusunpamukoglu240 Месяц назад
I'm overjoyed to see someone mentioning Jung. It was Jung and his teachings that introduced me to the depths of our being. While listening I constantly thought of Jung and his model of the psyche. Especially when Faggin referred to 'totality'. Obviously his model is correct.
@kittyhinkle3739
@kittyhinkle3739 Месяц назад
I have a degree in counseling and was close to a PhD in psychology in the 2000s. I hated Jung. Twenty years later I realized why- I was not ready to understand him. Its time now.
@phantomhawk01
@phantomhawk01 Месяц назад
Amazing, im excited at the trajectory of these discussions.
@darrenmonsiegneur5310
@darrenmonsiegneur5310 Месяц назад
This is akin to the Surangama Sutra, Hindu, Theravada and other eastern concepts. He gives it a western material reduction language. He’s not the first by far. Still, more voices make a harmonious sound.
@AdvaiticOneness1
@AdvaiticOneness1 Месяц назад
He did mentioned about Hinduism/Vedas from 49:47
@gekiryudojo
@gekiryudojo Месяц назад
@@sekeetaheliastraatmans8190 absolutely I study Dzrogchen they are miles behind sat in their little sandpit playing with toy trucks.
@gekiryudojo
@gekiryudojo Месяц назад
@@sekeetaheliastraatmans8190 he’s not got it has he? the fundamental mistake the self is an illusion” The dream that dreamt it was real. “Anatta” the mind cannot see itself. Shantideva. and Shunyatta! even thoughts, are empty
@MingusDynastyy
@MingusDynastyy 27 дней назад
reduction lol
@NoobTube4148
@NoobTube4148 26 дней назад
Yes, very similar explanations found in Theravada Abidharma. They go deeper though. Maybe this line of thinking will encourage people to look at those things and take them more seriously.
@auggiemarsh8682
@auggiemarsh8682 Месяц назад
Amazing to have drawn these two great minds together
@bunberrier
@bunberrier Месяц назад
When you read out his accomplishments I almost fell over. You now have my full attention.
@TriggerIreland
@TriggerIreland Месяц назад
54:23 what an answer!
@y5mgisi
@y5mgisi Месяц назад
Will get his book as soon as it's on audible. Very good.
@peggygates6565
@peggygates6565 Месяц назад
Thank you all for bringing this into awareness. Clearly consciousness is manifesting briefly through what we call "life" and then reabsorbs into "no words only consciousness"... A Zen teacher that I studied with had said "human thinking always manifests the human world - "no" thinking manifests where everything is One.
@emalynicole1006
@emalynicole1006 24 дня назад
I was sitting and doing nothing beside a tree yesterday, and the tree told me “isn’t it so nice to be me and always sit here and do nothing” .. it felt evolved, like what I aspired to be really.
@agnichemicaloid
@agnichemicaloid Месяц назад
Like a long awaited rain in a dessert this video brought me back to reality of life! Marvellous, thank you so much for introducing Federico's work for the masses!
@diabetesasia
@diabetesasia Месяц назад
In this age of computation, consciousness non computability become more important, Congratulations for important interview.
@soulbalancesb1079
@soulbalancesb1079 Месяц назад
Beautiful! Thank you very much.
@Azoz195
@Azoz195 19 дней назад
“There are more things in heaven and earth than our dreamt of in your philosophy, Horatio”. I believe is the quote Federico was trying to remember! Love that quote.
@esraakyel2108
@esraakyel2108 Месяц назад
Thank very much, thank you also for Turkish subtitle,,,🙏🌹❤️
@haroldstamper3519
@haroldstamper3519 Месяц назад
I've just ordered it on amazon. Looking forward to reading it!!!
@fourshore502
@fourshore502 Месяц назад
i love seing kastrup and faggin together, two legends!
@jenmdawg
@jenmdawg 25 дней назад
I love this man and I cherish these discussions as well as this presentation. I spent my intellectual life as a materialist - with all the questions being surrendered to “rationalism” and then I stumbled upon Kastrup. Thank you!
@roninwilson2406
@roninwilson2406 Месяц назад
This theory is entirely inline with my own personal views and experiences, the presentation was very emotive for myself and I assume others, I appreciate the insight. I look forward to reading the book when I have the means to get a copy. Thank you.
@stephenconliffe6575
@stephenconliffe6575 Месяц назад
Liked him saying it will help know yourself better... leads to better people...to realise who we are....co operate instead of competing the end of the interview.....
@MaxPower-vg4vr
@MaxPower-vg4vr Месяц назад
Swapping our perspective to view 0D as truly fundamental, rather than the higher 1D-4D dimensions we currently take as basic building blocks, could potentially resolve numerous long-standing contradictions and paradoxes across logic, mathematics and physics. Here are some of the key issues that a "0D is fundamental" viewpoint may shed new light on: 1. The Continuum Hypothesis and Set Theory Paradoxes: Treating points (0D) as the fundamental entities, rather than deriving them from sets/continuums of higher dimensions, could resolve paradoxes around infinity, self-reference, and the problematic concept of completed infinite sets in set theory. 2. Zeno's Paradoxes of Motion: The paradoxes surrounding infinitely dividing space and time may dissolve if 0D points are seen as more real and fundamental than the derived concept of extension through higher dimensions. 3. Singularity Problems in General Relativity: The bizarre infinities and paradoxes surrounding gravitational singularities could be avoided if 4D spacetime is not fundamental, but emerges from a more primitive 0D theory of quantum gravity. 4. The Measurement Problem in Quantum Mechanics: The paradoxes around wavefunction collapse may result from trying to fit inherently 0D quantum processes into a higher 3D spatial manifold. A 0D quantum gravity basis could resolve this. 5. Non-Locality and Bell's Inequality Paradox: Entanglement and non-local correlations violating Bell's inequality seem paradoxical from a 3D perspective, but a fundamentally 0D underpinning could naturally allow such phenomena. 6. The Substantive Reality of Space and Time: The paradoxical nature of space and time as seemingly real yet dynamical players in physics could be resolved if they are not primordial substances but derivative from an essence of 0D events. If 1D-4D manifolds are not locally real in some sense that alone may force us to recognize a more primitive 0D reality as the true locus of beables and local verities in our cosmic model. A daring shift to 0D fundamentality could echo past revolutions like the atomic model or quantum theory itself in resolving deeply ingrained paradoxes. It's a profound concept well worth exploring rigorously by physicists and logicians.
@priyakulkarni9583
@priyakulkarni9583 Месяц назад
You are beyond my understanding 😅
@36MeTHoD
@36MeTHoD Месяц назад
@priyakulkarni9583 I think he's trying to say that it might rain tomorrow, or it might not. Rain might not even exist if no one is present to observe it. I could be wrong, though.
@v1kt0u5
@v1kt0u5 Месяц назад
Why do you steal other person's ideas and write them as if they were your occurrences?
@MaxPower-vg4vr
@MaxPower-vg4vr 25 дней назад
@@zarnabsajjil2139 . I think it's a mirror universe with 0D subatomic stuff at the center. This side is contingent and less real and the other side is necessary and more real. On this side only 0D subatomic stuff is necessary and more real since 0D is non-natural in that it has no spatial (1D, 2D, 3D) or temporal (4D) extension. 1D-4D natural dimensions can all be divided further (divisible) so they're not locally real or less real but 0D non-natural dimension cannot be divided further (indivisible) so is locally real or more real. If 0 = 0 + 0i then 0D = 0D + 0Di.
@nothinginteresting1662
@nothinginteresting1662 Месяц назад
This puts an entirely new light on "Feeling is the answer". "Feelings are the language of the soul" -Conversations with God Book 1 Feeling is quantum! All observable physical effects on our body are a result of that quantum state. And since it cannot be copied, it can only be replicated approximately. Feelings (Quantum State) are Absolute. Our interpretation of that Quantum State is relative. From Quantum Feeling to Classical physiological effects- information of the Absolute State is lost. Thus all physiological effects are only an approximation of what we truly feel. And all our technological constructions being physical, cannot truly feel and be conscious of it like we can. Mind blowing stuff... Ties in well with Stephen Wolfram's discovery of computational irreducibility. Consciousness cannot be computed/derived, because it is Absolute.
@roslynellis6322
@roslynellis6322 26 дней назад
Absolutely brilliant. His postulate on the 1 & knowing oneself, recognising the difference between consciousness & symbolic reality is something I have been questioning in my mind for a while, he annunciated it more clearly for me, thank you Federico & thank you for sharing this
@Meditation409
@Meditation409 Месяц назад
This is so profound! OMG I saved this one to my folder to share with a ton of my friends and associates! Priceless! I'm ordering several copies of his book and a Kindle version also!! ❤️🙏😃
@jpslaym0936
@jpslaym0936 Месяц назад
There are numerous studies that show that our consciousness perceives what is going to happen 6 seconds in the future. This aligns with experimental evidence regarding quantum superposition in microtubule arrays which allow faster than light - essentially reversing time - and permitting “real time” instantaneous conscious perceptions. When we also are able to demonstrate our reality is created (co-created as a larger group of consciousnesses) by our own conscious projections as perceptions, preconceived ideas, and historical understanding / emotions) we begin to move toward a working model within a new discipline: the science of consciousness
@mr.bunnywabbit2048
@mr.bunnywabbit2048 Месяц назад
What studies?
@roysunrohit
@roysunrohit 2 дня назад
Can’t stop smiling is that their quest and bewilderment is so precisely answered in Vedas, Trika, and Upanishads!
@paulchiuk
@paulchiuk 29 дней назад
One wants to know itself, was presented to me as a description of God by a Sufi about 45 years ago, and that concept resurfaced for me when listening to Frederico, which is intrinsically joyful to me.
@nikbl4k
@nikbl4k Месяц назад
I usually am hard to impress when it comes to consciousness and any attempts at describing, but theres something about the way federico explains it that i really enjoy.
@jshaw4757
@jshaw4757 Месяц назад
May I ask why you are hard too impress with regards too consciousness...thanks 👍
@chrisgaladima2738
@chrisgaladima2738 Месяц назад
The interest in consciousness seems to be increasing.
@VesperanceRising
@VesperanceRising Месяц назад
wonder why... lol
@36MeTHoD
@36MeTHoD Месяц назад
Only to those who care to acknowledge it's existence
@heinzgassner1057
@heinzgassner1057 Месяц назад
Great work ! Two of my greatest heroes on one table.
@PeteNaess
@PeteNaess Месяц назад
Thank you for this. 🙏
@durs_co
@durs_co Месяц назад
"We are fields created by one to know itself." Seems like a pretty good explanation for God and an afterlife (where consciousness is separate from classical).
@JohnSmith-tn9ll
@JohnSmith-tn9ll Месяц назад
Exactly what I thought.
@aloethej.o.a.t5566
@aloethej.o.a.t5566 23 дня назад
basically the creation of adam painting and look at god he looks like a brain
@yahyashariff4558
@yahyashariff4558 9 дней назад
There’s pretty much Islamic Sufi teaching. See Ibn Arabi teachings
@jacksonlung9710
@jacksonlung9710 Месяц назад
Right. Richard Feyman had said" I can safely say that no one can understand quantum physics " . . I am very much appreciated for all scientists are working hard to find out the solution. I am strongly believe in what Buddha had told us the truth about 3000 years ago. Why not spend some time to study Sharma.
@nothinginteresting1662
@nothinginteresting1662 Месяц назад
*Dharma
@josephs1732
@josephs1732 Месяц назад
Sharma is a surname in India 😂
@woreno
@woreno Месяц назад
My firsts cpus were made by this guy, among others, 8086 and z80. Its quite exciting seeing him talking about conscience. Really, we grew used to technology and determinism, fearing things apart that. However, quantum technology today isn't efficient like the one found in plants, so if nature did that for plants, ...
@beau9297
@beau9297 Месяц назад
This is quite extraordinary. These new quantum theories of consciousness, which I happen to agree with, are the most important scientific development of my lifetime. It could be year 1 of a new age.
@Jeriel_Lux
@Jeriel_Lux Месяц назад
Its Funny i Smelled Roses outside from Nowhere before Clicking on this Video. What a Beautiful Experience all of this is, To Ponder in Solidity feeling Not So Solid After All. Whether The Meaning Was or We Found It, It Is Now and Now Therefore It Was. "Know Thyself" 💕
@jn2400
@jn2400 20 дней назад
I've had that a few times smelling flowers inside my apartment where I was the only one there and closed windows. Maybe I had a visitor.
@nothinginteresting1662
@nothinginteresting1662 Месяц назад
We need more such scientists and researchers who primarily deal with left-brain stuff combine their right-brain experiences to come to conclusions made by integrating the two perspectives. It takes courage to speak the truth and love in the heart to be someone like this. Immense love and respect to you.
@Jwareness
@Jwareness Месяц назад
Someone else who has gone further than just about anyone in trying to understand the true nature of consciousness and has published his own Theory of Everything, is Tom Campbell. He had a long career as a scientist and nuclear physicist for NASA and the DoD.
@nothinginteresting1662
@nothinginteresting1662 Месяц назад
@@Jwareness I know about him. Such a humble and intelligent guy 😃
@jbaguetta
@jbaguetta Месяц назад
No. What you describe is wishful thinking.
@nothinginteresting1662
@nothinginteresting1662 Месяц назад
@@jbaguetta If that's how you see it, so be it. I truly felt what I wrote. Even intellectuals can be beautiful people (not just 'nerds')- especially when they use reason to stabilize their reactive emotions and still experience fully, the beautiful emotions. And it's not like such people don't exist (to make this wishful thinking). They already do, and I have come across many of them. So their numbers increasing is not very difficult. I have immense love and respect for them. And I respect them not due to their credentials, but due to awe of what they do to bring a better understanding of the human experience.
@KrystelSpicerMindArkLateralThi
@KrystelSpicerMindArkLateralThi 20 дней назад
Yesterday I'd written .."Vanilla only alleviates sleep apnea & sleep apnea hasn't another natural remedy. Had vanilla inspired greater wakefulness?" Without wakefulness whilst sleeping, are we sometimes known to die, but this is not to say that life isn't all there is. If we can figure out what fate worse than death we die in lieu of, which I think may be not to endure longterm stigmatism. As a person ages they can find themselves alienated, and I wonder that old age is brought on by hypochondria in fear of being stigmatised worse for what we actually deserve to be. They extract sympathy, and so wanting what they want, we follow suit. I tend to think that sniff & to be what to be sniffed are different ends of one of the first spectrums, from one end to another of the gap between two things feared in first surroundings that caused about first consciousness. I think that as far as we look we will find ourselves, . . Right before we'd noticed an explosion between galaxies, I had a vision about how we & earth are a stage and storyteller duo, and about how earth is mobile moving safe crevice to safe crevice as history expands as does universe and everything changes beneath and including our noses. Umm, I posted it here if you'd like a look. All I write is free. I write about abiogenesis. Live on facee. It's quite shocking. ..I go by the same name there as here. Read this again, and then leave it for a while. See if anything resonates later.
@titussteenhuisen8864
@titussteenhuisen8864 20 дней назад
This is the best explanation I know of, missing is the unknown unseen connections between individuals with consciousness.
@emmanuelmwape4560
@emmanuelmwape4560 Месяц назад
As a xhild i atraggled to understanding the question that kept emerging in my mind. The question was "who doesnt exist?".
@StoneShards
@StoneShards 28 дней назад
Interestingly, as a youngster, I was perplexed by the proposition that "nothing does not exist", which is, curiously, a direct answer to YOUR question! I think that's a little weird. 🤗
@fortissimoX
@fortissimoX Месяц назад
Beautifuly said at the end. This theory is not about creating new, better technology, but about evolving humans beyond that primitive materialistic mindset of "fight or flight", "survival of the fittest", "free market", and other materialistic dogmas that were imposed on us through conditioning called "educational system", for the benefit of the few. Implications of this theory are that we are all connected more than we can perceive through analytical mind, and that we must start looking at each other as a part of one. Also, what's not mentioned here, but is implied down the road, it's about switching focus solely from the mind, also to the heart. Of course, that brings a totally new worldview that is in stark contradiction with a LOT of systems nowadays, therefore they will fight to discredit this theory and evolution of consciousness in general. But, the thing is, one who truly understands the implications, will realize the true meaning of free will, and therefore will simply choose the other way, and leave all the fights behind. Thank you Federico!
@IntuitArt-rb4br
@IntuitArt-rb4br Месяц назад
This must be the most profound pointer for our times. The Dalai Lama will be on the edge of his meditation cushion. Thank you Federico! Sincerely.
@jacksonlung9710
@jacksonlung9710 Месяц назад
Good talk . Thank you very much.
@Antidoton
@Antidoton Месяц назад
With regards to coveying our conscious feeling in our limited vocabulary; the ancient greeks had a much richer language with considerably more words plus the ability to include more feeling and also numerical values.
@tubal1
@tubal1 Месяц назад
Because they (in general the ancient humans) were more connected to our inner world, to our consciousness, so its reality was wider; they needed that vocabulary because they had to allocate symbols (words) to those experiences (now put aside by many of us). It's like the colours, we don't have names for radiations outside the visible range, not because the don't exist, simply because we cannot perceive them.
@sandbach7195
@sandbach7195 Месяц назад
I hope everyone listening has at least ONE friend they can talk to about this, otherwise, I think they'd go nuts, LOL I've got that ONE person!
@ShirleyMcalpine
@ShirleyMcalpine Месяц назад
Yes! Thank you very much.
@janeeni
@janeeni 10 дней назад
Brilliant 🎉 so wonderful to hear someone with academic education bring it all together - it's as though ancient traditions meet modern quantum physics meets Wisdom & Insight 🎉 brilliant 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
@NicholasWilliams-uk9xu
@NicholasWilliams-uk9xu Месяц назад
The CPU is the most awesome invention the world has ever seen. It's the best toy man has ever created :)
@bobthebuilder9416
@bobthebuilder9416 Месяц назад
31:49 I’m confused as to what his response would be to - when we have our brains scanned, we can see activity aka neurons firing off in the lateral orbitofrontal, amygdala, etc., which directly correlate to emotion. I don’t see how that is anything different than a computer, other than our processing would be much more advanced than any computer. We have a part of our brain, or all of our brain that are individually by section tasked with pattern recognition, and at most i would assume we have types of patterns that are recognized based on whichever section is active in our brain activity. I’m truly confused. To me it seems as if he is saying that we can’t measure or see feeling, when, to my understanding, we can literally see brain activity from the parts of our brain responsible for that. I’m very confused someone please help me understand what I’m missing. I’m sure it’s a lot, but I still believe all of this important to address. Thank you.
@bobthebuilder9416
@bobthebuilder9416 Месяц назад
32:32 qualia seems like the answer to this; but it lays on two premises: 1) that that statement that we run on qualia is accurate. Which lets say it is for this next premise 2) that we cant product that with a computer, but, we can produce quantum states inside computers for short times, and the limit is the advancement of our technology but we see a steady progress over time to where i dont see how eventually we couldnt replicate a large volume of qualia in a quantum computer?
@lureup9973
@lureup9973 Месяц назад
The feed back of information from our senses(nerve endings )or even our thoughts need a processor to regulate the body in order for the body to cope with, regulate,respond, etc., the mystery is how does the thing we call the person experience a shared quality of those processes…a computer does a good job of processing the data being received, but had no capacity to feel the emotion or experience from the data. Think feeling, ask the question of how to make a memory chip or processor feel something. It can describe but cannot feel
@bobthebuilder9416
@bobthebuilder9416 Месяц назад
@@lureup9973 i believe i addressed this in my statements above by pointing out the part of our brain responsible for emotion/feeling is arguably another type of pattern recognition that can be replicated in quantum computing, if we imagine the different parts of our brain as specialized units of pattern recognition for different types of pattern of stimuli based on neuron activity
@lureup9973
@lureup9973 Месяц назад
@@bobthebuilder9416 pattern recognition is exactly what any processor shines at… if you can break it down for me please explain how those patterns create an experience like the experience of joy
@bobthebuilder9416
@bobthebuilder9416 Месяц назад
@@lureup9973 by joy theres a few different things u could be reffering 2 as words are only symbols people use to communicate the thing, and dont actually represent necesarily what we are reffering to. As such, ill use something i think of when i hear joy. Maslows hierarchy of needs. To me, this would be high neuron activity in the lateral orbitofrontal, mild activity from amygdala found when seratonin is released from being around our mates. The lateral orbitofrontal is the social part of our brain. As such, if both the social part of our brain feels fufillment, as well as the soul-mate, love part of our brain is fufilled, that would be just high electricity flowing through neurons activity on a brain scan. This is assuming we have proper sleep and food and low stress to quiet out the negative parts of the amygdala. Next we have the neurotransmitter dopamine and the NT saratonin that i mentioned earlier. Assuming all of these things were in place, this would represent a positive “feeling” on a brain scan. And a pattern of different neurotransmitters through different parts of the brain, from what i understand, would be very similar, and even possibly replicated, from a quantum computer
@DeltaSmARTuplink
@DeltaSmARTuplink Месяц назад
Definitely the way forward with this subject👌
@rayman1099
@rayman1099 Месяц назад
what a great insight that can only lead to the real truth about who we are. because whoever says he knows who he is does not go further than naming labels.
@cyberidiot12
@cyberidiot12 Месяц назад
from symbols to meaning and vice versa. I Ching guide to transformation
@samrowbotham8914
@samrowbotham8914 Месяц назад
Bernardo is morphing into a young Carl Jung. Does anyone else see the similarity?
@samrowbotham8914
@samrowbotham8914 Месяц назад
@@charlesp7504 My question was is Bernardo morphing into a young Carl Jung. I never asked if anyone was a fan.
@TickleMeTimbers
@TickleMeTimbers Месяц назад
The fact that you put that clown in the same sentence as Carl Jung is an insult to intelligence itself. That's like comparing Neil DeGrasse Tyson to Carl Sagan, or Duncan Trussel to Terence McKenna. Nowhere near the same league.
@jasonhodges4406
@jasonhodges4406 Месяц назад
Thank you for helping me understand Thyself a bit better. Still processing it all. Peace, and love.
@clivejenkins4033
@clivejenkins4033 Месяц назад
Consciousness is fundamental for sure
@AdvaiticOneness1
@AdvaiticOneness1 Месяц назад
49:47 Yes, the Hindus were correct. Science is proving that the teachings of Advaita Vedanta philosophy of Hinduism are indeed true. The study of consciousness is not a new subject; it's as old as the Vedas and Upanishads. I remember a quote from Evan Thompson: "The Upanishads are so significant in the history of human thought that we would do better to mark human history not as AD and BC, but we should say 'before Upanishad' and 'after Upanishad.'"
@synbitzseven2614
@synbitzseven2614 Месяц назад
in my learning of religious scriptures and texts the Hindu scriptures and knowledges have been one of the most important and maybe even the only ones truly worthwhile, of course a few quotes from Jesus were very good but you can find the same knowledges in other texts so. Although the Bible story touched my feelings the most.
@christylaughter1568
@christylaughter1568 Месяц назад
The Bible can't stand alone. Particularly western Christianity. They rebuke Jesus with Paul. Yoga led me to Christ.
@Greg-xs5py
@Greg-xs5py Месяц назад
If consciousness is a quantum field, then one should be able to add the field to the Lagrangian that couples with matter and boson fields and make an observable prediction. What is the symmetry group of this field?
@christylaughter1568
@christylaughter1568 Месяц назад
It starts with a question - seek and you willl find.
@tubal1
@tubal1 Месяц назад
with which matter?
@Greg-xs5py
@Greg-xs5py Месяц назад
@@tubal1 deleted the word "that" from my comment, just a typo. Should couple with the EM field because we can sense things (Coulomb force) and see light. Probably should not couple with fields like the Higgs or quark/nuclear fields since our consciousness does not see or feel that.
@tubal1
@tubal1 Месяц назад
@@Greg-xs5py But I sill don't see how you could make an observable prediction. We can't even predict the behaviour of one single wave-particle,.... Imagine predicting the behaviour of a coherent or even incoherent quantum system which is, more or less, what Faggini says consciousness is. Precisely, that impossibility of determining the behaviour of quantum systems is what would "prove" the existence of free will.
@Greg-xs5py
@Greg-xs5py Месяц назад
@@tubal1 First I never said it would work. What I said is that if it is a quantum field, like the Higgs Boson or EM field, then you can make predictions about the behavior of interactions by computing scattering amplitudes. This is determined by the system Lagrangian and is what particle accelerators test. I mean, maybe it could be a QF and not be testable, but if it is a QF then someone should think about what the properties of the field are. That’s what is done for all the other quantum fields. If that can’t be done for consciousness then it is probably not a quantum field.
@hoykoya3382
@hoykoya3382 Месяц назад
I immediately clicked on Amazon to buy the book as soon as I found this out! Although I have a question - is the free will that Mr Faggin was talking about in his theory is the free will if the One or the big C Consciousness? I’ve watched and read a lot of Mr Kastrup’s books and he clearly states that everything is deterministic within the Consciousness. Because if it is the free will of the One then it coincides with idealism perfectly because it postulates that the Will does not have external influences so it’s truly free.
@entropyfun
@entropyfun Месяц назад
One wanting to know itself is a mantra of new age spirituality.
@pleiadi666
@pleiadi666 Месяц назад
Hinduism
@Lavender_1618
@Lavender_1618 Месяц назад
i mean....a computer is a computer based on its hard drive/programs and content. The power that powers it is electricity. Same with us. our brains and personality are the CPu and chi/energy is the electricity powering us. But still.....does that mean that theres an afterlife?? no. just anawareenss that the electricity is eternal....but other than that....our CPU is not. so what does it matter? Its like a computer saying to you it will exist forever insinde the power grid. (you know it wont....everything that made it IT will be gone).
@SpaceTrippy_8-8
@SpaceTrippy_8-8 Месяц назад
Interesting analogy, but everything that made it IT won't be gone. My correction would be: CPU = the body/mind Electricity = Chi, Energy BUT consciousness would equal the "cloud/internet." The contents of our lives automatically uploaded to the cloud for others to tap into and learn from. The cloud acts as universal consciousness, containing all the information about the CPU's activities. Other CPUs still able to communicate and learn from the experiences of CPUs which have lost power. Parts of previous (and future) CPUs able to be downloaded and reanimated. Memory card = DNA that is copied and evolves from generation to generation. The heat of our computer body still radiating for a certain period of time after we are shut off. Our imprints left in the rugs of this dimension. Our gold, plastics and precious bits recycled for future use.
@tubal1
@tubal1 Месяц назад
Except that there are experiences lived by people which are against that. It's not people just saying: "I'll exist forever". If you exclude these specific experiences, then you are being unscientific because you are chosing only those ones that accommodate your hypothesis, not those that are against them. A scientific rational mind would choose all the experiences (experiments in science) and try to ellaborate a theory which fits for all of them. The truth is always a combination of all points of view.
@KipIngram
@KipIngram Месяц назад
Many, many people are not going to buy this. It's not "rigorous" enough - doesn't "boil down to math" enough. To me it seems entirely completely right. But I suspect there's going to be a segment of people who will just never go there, and further, will never regard these ideas as anything other than fluff. It's sad. Everything - all the hard questions - just dissolve if you take consciousness as fundamental. Fine tuning problem? Gone. Melts away. Etc.
@yarrowww.
@yarrowww. 25 дней назад
do you know what quantum mechanics is..?
@macavelli8905
@macavelli8905 Месяц назад
Interesting perspective and conversation..
@neilbeni7744
@neilbeni7744 Месяц назад
Love this! Thank You.
@duytdl
@duytdl Месяц назад
Proof? Everybody and their nephews are seemingly coming out with new theories. We need to start demanding more proofs or experiments or something...
@rachmondhoward2125
@rachmondhoward2125 Месяц назад
True but like Bernado is saying, formulating the right question or hypothesis is even more challenging than later seeking proof. For example Einstein, derived his theories of relativity and special relativity from thought experiments and from there emerged hypothesis which could only be falsifiably tested through the scientific method and this happened much later. For example, atomic clocks were used relatively recently to test time dilation in supported of his theory of general relativity. I think we are at an exciting point in history where we are getting ever closer to a much more deeper understanding of the universe and ourselves. I see a converges in the perspectives of Bernardo, Faggin, Nobel, Hoffman and Nema that there is something much more fundamental than the space-time.
@VanHalensApprentice
@VanHalensApprentice Месяц назад
@@rachmondhoward2125man this is just as crazy as when humans discovered the world of micro organisms I bet lol
@amartinakis
@amartinakis Месяц назад
How can you prove something fundamental with non fundamental tools? How can we really prove what's really going on in a black hole or before the Big Bang? Science has limits
@colinmccowan9056
@colinmccowan9056 Месяц назад
Here is the proof - your own experience. That is the only proof and the only truth. Here is a way to prove consciousness is fundamental for yourself - consider - can you have experience without matter? Yes - dreaming experience, deep sleep experience are experiences with no matter. Can you have matter without experience? No, once there is no experience there is no matter. Therefore, matter arises out of experience, not the other way around.
@duytdl
@duytdl Месяц назад
@@colinmccowan9056 > Can you have matter without experience? No Um yes you can. You're saying matter doesn't exist if no one's looking? You don't experience your brain cells. Do those not exist then? You're basically a virtual-reality believer then I guess (like Elon Musk).
@08wolfeyes
@08wolfeyes Месяц назад
While I'm sure Federico is a good person with honest intentions, I don't think he's telling us anything knew or groundbreaking. In fact, he's saying many things and not saying much at all. Most of what he's says we already know. What he's telling us doesn't make any new predictions about consciousness or tell us what is it. I saw a video where he spoke about the smell of a rose and asked, "Where is that smell in our minds that we know we smell and is distinct to that of a rose ? " I am, of course, paraphrasing but that gives you some idea. Something like a smell or that feeling that I am an ' I ', an individual that isn't you, also comes from chemical interactions. Those also play an important role in our experiences of the world. They are responsible not only for many other functions of the body but also for how the mind works as well as the experiences of " Feelings " We already know that things are made of atoms and particles, we already know about entanglement and that perhaps it has something to do with some interactions of neurons within the brain but still tells us little or anything new about consciousness. It seems people often try to find it as if it's a specific thing within the mind, in a specific place, and while I do think consciousness is part of the brain/ mind, it isn't just one thing alone in one place, it's many things going on within that brain that gives us the experience of being an ' I ' and not you, a being who sees and can observe the world around them as they do.
@mmckc66
@mmckc66 Месяц назад
I think perhaps he is saying the brain / mind is part of consciousness, this is (you are right) not new or unknown, it is however not excepted as fundamental by many in the mathematical or the scientific communities. What you smell, when you smell a rose may be very different from what I smell, or what a bee might experience at the very same rose, or indeed how all this smelling affects the rose. Only the one consciousness knows what we collectively experience and feel, and all because consciousness wishes to know itself in every way possible, every way imaginable and as of yet unimagined or not yet experienced. This “I” you know to be you is you, but fundamentally you, every cell, atom, bacteria, virus in you at this moment is consciousness, but you only know and experience the “I”. Consciousness knows it all, and wants to know more.
@davepuxley7387
@davepuxley7387 29 дней назад
There is a beautiful way in which this line of thinking, put in the language and understanding of our age, is resonant and consonant with the perennialist tradition :)
@babybird2002p
@babybird2002p Месяц назад
Loved this vid and how has put same spritual words into new scientific words that help u understand more abt this reality and consciousness and the process in btw . Last line he said just deserves 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 Great!
@jaroslawnoworyta3626
@jaroslawnoworyta3626 10 дней назад
.".. What I feel goes beyond numbers and bits..." ❤...this one sentence says everything.. 😊
@jteichma
@jteichma Месяц назад
This is great and encouraging for us as humans. What happens when we have quantum computers? Will they develop consciousness by having quantum states and fields?
@liamfinlay2039
@liamfinlay2039 21 день назад
This is exactly the conclusion I came to independently after understanding I don't imagine with imagery (Aphantasia). It's actually insane how I predicted, before even clicking on this video, that it would be my exact theory's conclusion but drawn from an actual professional in the field that covers the harder conceptual blindspots. This is why we don't understand intuitively the complex systems outside of our own selves...And aphantasia, along with other sensory related disparities expressed in the modern human are perfect viewports for other intellectuals and scholars of nature to draw from, a rich contrast between their own conscious experience...in order to gain clarity and a tightening of the focus around the Quantum / Macro interrelationships. Interrelationships that have eluded us for as long as modern consciousness related fields of study can remember. Essentially, we, all of us, all brain types, can cooperatively exchange perspectives of perception in order to propel ourselves off of this planet and out into our destinies. Just think what we could do if we put our bullshit aside and just worked together on our collective trailblaze into the stars. Lets finally try to live long and prosper 🖖
@Cant_find_good_Handle
@Cant_find_good_Handle Месяц назад
Comparing the brains of the 2 or 3 precent of people that do not have a minds eye, and people who do not have an internal voice with the majority would be an interesting way to learn more about consciousness. Many of these people are surprised to learn that most people hear a voices in there head, or can see images with there eyes closed, and for some both. These people seem to describe abstract experience when they do task that most people do. For example people who don’t have a minds eye can remember where things and describe it as not seeing it but knowing it somehow. Some people without an internal dialogue can read exceptionally fast by visually processing the words in lines rather than hearing the words. Now a interesting study would be to compare the brains of people without a minds eye and the majority when doing task such as mental rotation. Those without a minds eye can still pass these test without rotating the object in there mind eye. So does that mean the rotation is still happening but that the processing is just being done in the subconscious of those people. There are some studies comparing these groups. And there are differences in how different regions of the Brain communicate with one another. But it would be interesting to compare the neurons of a recently deceased person that had this lack of visual imagination to see if there are any differences structurally in the brains at a level that quantum effects would be more realistic. Like microtubials differences in like with Penrose and his co authors idea. So if it can be shown that there are people who are able to rotate items in there head but without being self aware how they do it that seems like a very good place to look for a physical structure in the brain that effects self awareness. Either these people are not have the full conscious experience most have, or there experiencing it in a more abstract way. Either way there is a tremendous opportunity to study how self awareness manifests itself given how prevalent this is in the population.
@MariekePost
@MariekePost 7 дней назад
This resonates with every cell in my body and what I have been thinking and feeling since I was born but was unable to support. Very very happy to hear that I am not crazy if that makes sense. It's a relief somehow.
@Aiething
@Aiething Месяц назад
Consciousness is not just fundamental, it is all there is. I recently understood that this is an undeniable/nonnegotiable fact after a very long (years long) inner battle between me and myself. What we call Matter is nothing more than a bunch of experiences and ideas. Pick anything that you call matter and ask yourself what it really is, you will only find experiences and ideas. This wooden table infront of me, for example, is all about the brown colour of wood, the sound of woodness when I hit it, the wooden vibration I feel while hitting it, the feeling of woodness when I touch it, and the concept of a four legged object. Remove all of the senses and there will be no table.
@SusanButcher-pr2ft
@SusanButcher-pr2ft Месяц назад
Brilliant!!!
@clivejenkins4033
@clivejenkins4033 Месяц назад
Two brilliant minds comng together💯👌
@szybake9629
@szybake9629 13 дней назад
Thank you for your brilliance and common sense! We all know it!
@carbon1479
@carbon1479 Месяц назад
10:02 - I think Federico is at least giving a good model for how something like 'telic recursion' could work. It's one of the more interesting ideas out there because it suggests that instead of just being feed-forward through time from internal and external causes that there's an autonomous aspect of ourselves - in the field - that would behave in this manner where there's constant feedback loops between embodied and unembodied self thus giving us an additional horizontal above and beyond simply self-inquiry.
@yahyashariff4558
@yahyashariff4558 9 дней назад
These all alludes to monotheistic belief in the One God who is all aware all seeing and our actions are recorded within pirselves and outside it.
@carbon1479
@carbon1479 8 дней назад
​@@yahyashariff4558 except that it doesn't treat this world, or us, vaguely like an Abrahamic deity would. We're more like lab rats. If it weren't the case 'multipolar traps' (and Slate Star Codex's essay on 'Moloch') as a concept or category of permanent human problem would not exist (IMHO it's a very cheap system where problems are solved by Girardian mimesis and genocides rather than outside intervention) - there's no sign that reality has any motivated reasoning outside of what humans bring to the table. Similarly people would be bludgeoned and even destroyed by truly arbitrary things including the collective failings of others. We live in a world that was built for the processes of Darwinian evolution but not a world that can honor the 'infinite game', it's more like the panoramic visions of Darwinian horror that Paul Atreides had in Dune or John Gray's own visions of Darwinian horror in 'Straw Dogs'. IMHO that likely won't stop until either a) we're gone or b) we're so genetically re-engineered that we aren't the same thing anymore, in which case we'll perhaps be in the position to be 'better gods' to ourselves, but even there - I still don't see sexual competition going away and with that we'll still be trying to smash each other's faces into the dirt over status - until there are no large eukaryotes left.
@hardstylelife5749
@hardstylelife5749 10 дней назад
Brilliant interview, thanks for sharing it
@Old299dfk
@Old299dfk Месяц назад
I remember when i was a kid, and i saw a documentary saying how you cant have smell without quantum mechanics. Because the particles have to be in two places at the same time for smell to work.
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