GROUNDED: Why My Perfect Airplane Can't Fly

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Ever wondered what could ground a perfectly airworthy plane? Dive into the absurd yet enlightening journey of 23 Uniform, a Cessna 172 grounded over just $5 of paperwork! 📜✈️ In this video, we unravel a tale that seems straight out of a Kafka novel but is all too real for pilots and aircraft owners.
From the initial shock of discovering that legal flight is a mere $5 away, to battling the bureaucratic behemoth of aviation registration, this story has it all. 😱 We’ll guide you through the maze of FAA regulations, the importance of keeping every document up to snuff, and the unexpected snafus that can come with airplane ownership.
But it’s not all turbulence! 🚀 Learn how the pilot navigated these choppy administrative waters, the crucial role of the aviation community, and how AOPA’s Pilot Protection Services became an unexpected co-pilot in this journey. Whether you’re a seasoned aviator or just love a good underdog story, this video is your boarding pass to the complex world of aviation legality and the community that navigates it.
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@danielruff4632 Месяц назад

The FAA…”We’re not happy, Till you’re not happy.”

@ddthompson42 Месяц назад

They're good for putting pilots/owners under a "60-day" warning period, then taking several months to get back to you. I called and asked, "How long can I expect to wait?" The person answered, "I don't know... 6 months... 8 months? I don't know, sir." Super helpful.

@mkrsek1 Месяц назад

That poor bird with broken wing in background was stealing my attention a bit :) Good luck with the process thou. And I am looking forward for next flying video.

@EchoKilo Месяц назад

I was thinking the same thing. Poor thing.

@Pilot_Diallo Месяц назад

Me too i though would the only only noticing the plane at the background

@muddyexport5639 Месяц назад

Good vid. Good info. Good luck!!! Way 2 B AOPA & PPS!!!

@ericsd55 Месяц назад

Call Murkowski. I had a very similar situation with my aircraft reg. I called Murkowski's office, and a few days later, the FAA called me and emailed me a temp reg during the call. Lisa's office called back a few days after that and all was well. And it was all free, and fast. A shame I had to pull rank, but with the FAA budget being a political football, here we are.

@angleofattack Месяц назад

Can’t remember the last time Murkowski did anything in my best interest. But this is a good idea.

@JamesAlwin Месяц назад

I'll second this. The nuclear button for getting anything done with a federal agency that doesn't want to work with you is a congressional inquiry. Rep or senator staff can create an inquiry at the top and it cuts so much red tape so fast.

@stubby4317 Месяц назад

I also called my congressional representative who put in an inquiry. The response from the FAA was immediate. Quite the opposite of the previous year of personally dealing with them. I too, signed up for pilot protection services. It seems like a self perpetuating circle though!

@ericsd55 Месяц назад

@@angleofattack Lisa didn't do anything. Her staff was WAY more excited than I expected to "go gettum." The very nice people from the FAA were very helpful; we had a good chat about airplanes. It was nice.

@user-fm7ye7cj5e Месяц назад

@@angleofattack well, it wouldnt be her doing anything in usual politician fashion. But, their office staff are usually pretty good regardless of party or politician. Never hurts to reach out to their office and usually a staff member does what they can to keep constituents happy. I had a buddy that worked in Defazios office back in the day in Oregon and that was his main job, trying to help out constituents with government BS.

@WoodDragon64 Месяц назад

One of the things I learned while in the Army was when dealing with the government is this. If you you need something done, one must become the biggest pain in the ass to the bureaucracy. Annoy them so much they'll do their job just to get rid of you. Respectfully of course, otherwise you'll find all kinds of problems popping up to make your life hell.

@petersmith8435 Месяц назад

I couldn't agree more re: AOPA PPS, before Basic Med I had some medical matters which came up and they easily explained what I needed to do to fix things with the authorities. Worked like a charm - easily the best value for money for a pilot!!

@WellRoundedWoodsman Месяц назад

I hope you get this resolved quickly Chris. I agree, a call to Lisa's office wouldn't hurt. Once she knows the feds are hurting an essential Alaskan small business I have faith that her staff will give you priority. I'm also glad you're promoting AOPA, They've been awesome to me lately as a rusty pilot trying to get back in the game after a decade.

@angleofattack Месяц назад

I wrote Lisa and San about changing the rule for inspecting runways. Got a boilerplate response. Dan’s office had a much more meaningful response.

@jamesrutherford9597 Месяц назад

Best of luck getting things done in a timely manner. I'm looking forward to seeing you fly again.

@ojiandpd Месяц назад

You got this, Chris! It's a learning curve for sure with the legal stuff! Before you know it, you'll be back flying around the Kachemak Bay! Hang in there.

@mrnelson928 Месяц назад

Got my reg.. stuff buttoned up w/ my c182. Chris was awesome

@utah20gflyer76 Месяц назад

While you are waiting go get a spray can of orange paint mixed up at an automotive paint supply store to match the rest of the plane. You could have that cowl looking real nice with an hour or two of work.

@New2Me170B Месяц назад

Looking clean.

@zlstephens13 Месяц назад

I love that white plane with the yellow, red, and blue accents in the background.

@angleofattack Месяц назад

I call it the ice cream airplane.

@markmaccani9411 Месяц назад

Chris, Hope you get this straighten out soon, so you can get back to work. What a hassle. Being TAA will be a nice upgrade for 23U I'm in the process of getting my TAA / Complex hours now for my commercial.

@ehuntley83 Месяц назад

Hope you get this resolved quickly, Chris! Sounds so frustrating.

@StuPierce77 Месяц назад

Helpful video man! Thanks for sharing your situation. Side note: This may be my ocd coming out, but mask and repaint your cowl stripes while you wait! Looks like she needs some love. 🤙

@Rockdoon 28 дней назад

If I remember correctly then he had the plane repainted he left the original cowl stripes as is, probably for sentimental reasons/brand identity

@deanarndell4609 Месяц назад

I was wondering where 2324U was Chris, best of luck with the paperwork mate! Greetings from Gold Coast/Northern Rivers Australia! 🤙🛩️🌊🐬🌴

@Blackcloud_Garage Месяц назад

I’ve always said we should be able to file an “I.C.E.” (Interactive Customer Evaluation) complaint against any federal agency. When I was in the Army if we ever had any problems with the civilian contractors we would file an ICE complaint and usually things would be resolved. Not always but most times. All federal agencies have zero accountability for their complete and total lack of customer service.

@akstol6468 Месяц назад

Sorry you ran into such a big problem. My experience is similar, but it went a little differently for me. When I put my plane in an LLC, I sent the bill of sale, $5 and a registration application. Thought I was good too. Then I got “The Letter”. It asked me to correct the application and add a title like member, or manager or CEO. Then they wanted some articles of organization. I added “manager” as a title and sent them the supplemental documents for the business. If I remember correctly it only took a couple of weeks….But then again I was still within the grace period. I would add, don’t forget to keep the LLC updated so it doesn’t go away. You usually have to submit a report tot he state where you set up the LLC Bottom line…DON’T WAIT until you are expired to get the paperwork in!

@angleofattack Месяц назад

Agreed. I just didn’t know what to fill out. That was ambiguous. And had no one to ask on how to fill it out.

@akstol6468 Месяц назад

@@angleofattack I know, it’s a pain in the rear, especially when you are dealing with a large, slow moving bureaucracy. Stuck in the past using snail mail for everything. Have you looked at their new “CARES”, the on-line registration portal? It looks like they are attempting to get out of the 20th century finally..

@kameronzimin924 Месяц назад

I had the same frustrating issues last year!!

@rustyflyer2835 Месяц назад

AOPA pilot protection services are worth there weight in gold. I had been denied 3rd class medical and told I’m not eligible. Contacted pilot protection, they walked me through what to do. Got my medical and been flying ever since.

@angleofattack Месяц назад

Love that!

@RusscanFLY Месяц назад

FAA is amazing. I’m going through a first time Airplane buying experience, and they’ve been extremely helpful. I definitely recommend everyone join the organization, if nothing else to have those types of services. Also, they can help if you have one of those sit sit situations where you get a phone number to call. I hope it works out for you, brother!

@gveduccio Месяц назад

you mean AOPA is amazing...but it is good to say FAA is amazing in writing...

@RusscanFLY Месяц назад

@@gveduccio You are correct! AOPA is amazing!

@richardkimrey Месяц назад

Good luck Chris.

@angleofattack Месяц назад

Thanks

@miked2662 Месяц назад

$1,500 and 6 months later and I am still waiting to get a decision on my aeromedical. I’m an Army Aviation vet and some things lead to the process being more complicated and expensive. I was able to reach someone on the FAA aeromedical side though. So hopefully I will get a decision soon and start training!

@angleofattack Месяц назад

I would still talk to PPS and see if they can help.

@jhaedtler Месяц назад

Send them a bill for lost income being a business!

@angleofattack Месяц назад

Right

@PilotSavvy Месяц назад

I know that everything will work out in your favor in the end. I hope that it's more sooner than later. Keep us posted.

@renevelez9444 Месяц назад

The FAA is a bureaucracy that desperately needs modernization. Like many gov't agencies. But, if we want safe transportation including GA aviation and we want a better system, you can't support government cuts. It's the gorilla in the room everybody gets wrong. If you keep voting smaller gov't, for everything, if GA survives at all, it will be a Billionaires club as they will force you to pay for landing fees, Traffic Control, Radar Services and using the toilet at an airport or surtax for fueling etc. I think AOPA helps a great deal. The FAA is lop sided to commercial aviation and they get that wrong, (i.e, Boeing) . GA is a really important aspect of transportation with unique needs and requirements, AOPA does a good job at it.

@angleofattack Месяц назад

I’m not advocating for cuts. I’m advocating for deregulation and modernization.

@km0e69 Месяц назад

It's the elephant in the room.

@johnfriend862 Месяц назад

I've always used an OKC based title service, I have my registration in hand when I go pick up the aircraft.

@WolfPilot Месяц назад

Hey @Angle of Attack , I am curious what would happen if you filed for a ferry Permit?

@joer.824 Месяц назад

When I bought my plane 2 years ago, I also used my LLC name. I did all the paperwork myself and called the registration office. They emailed me a temporary registration the same day so I could fly until the permanent one was processed.

@louislandi938 Месяц назад

The good old FAA. The ‘Federation Against Aviation’.

@t0ny747 Месяц назад

Hey the same this is happening to me with my Cessna 140. The FAA didn't like the previous owners bill of sale so they sent it to me to fix. We did that and then they lost it when we sent it back.

@douglase.colman8321 Месяц назад

Not sure if it is something you want to do, but you might consider starting another LLC and legally sell it from the original LLC to the new one. Then your wait time for registration should restart with the new application.

@kacybruce4379 Месяц назад

I got the same letter last week. How long is the grace period? I sent them an email to see what exactly they needed from my LLC. I was waiting for a response but it sounds like I will never get one. You advise to use the service in OK city?

@angleofattack Месяц назад

The grace period is 12 months. Don’t email them. I used Aircraft Insured. But Pilot Protection Services can help you do the same thing but then you reap other benefits.

@69erMikeBravo Месяц назад

WTF about the airplane with the bent wing behind you?

@TheOpsCouple Месяц назад

We all want to know right😂

@w6fdo Месяц назад

That plane with the broken wing can't fly either. 😀

@phillipzx3754 28 дней назад

That's the latest in winglet design. They just haven't done the other wing yet. 😉

@phillipzx3754 28 дней назад

This aircraft (N2423U) was registered as of April-11-2024. Just letting people know who might be wondering. 🙂 An update in the description would be nice. 🙂

@angleofattack 28 дней назад

I made a whole video update :)

@russbeers9613 Месяц назад

Probably didn't need that extra $60. I was in a similar situation. The guy said to write "Urgent - AOG" on your application and it zooms to the front of the line. Mine took less than a week.

@angleofattack Месяц назад

Interesting info. For sure never heard that. If that’s the case, wouldn’t everyone do that? The $60 was money well spent. They knew exactly how to fix the issue.

@michaelnelson7794 19 дней назад

Any chance you can tell me a name of the registration company you used?

@AkPacerPilot Месяц назад

It took a year and a half for them to get the paperwork thru on the pacer. It was a mess, total mess. I’m also in the same boat on the cessna 150 that my dad soloed in. I don’t get why they are so messed up in registration, I don’t understand why it doesn’t take them 5 minutes to process this stuff, they certainly don’t delay in cashing in the check.

@symoncapel Месяц назад

Can you do a video on how you found and bought your airplane?

@JoeRendaRealty Месяц назад

In florida. If we have an international flight scheduled with the new registered aircraft (Bahamas for example) they will expedite

@angleofattack Месяц назад

Correct. That’s the only situation. But that exists for mostly business aircraft. I wasn’t going to lie and say I was flying internationally.

@JoeRendaRealty Месяц назад

@@angleofattack it’s really not for business aircraft. We don’t lie in florida. We have trips to the Bahamas all the time for GA. You really have to do the flight.

@Av8or7 Месяц назад

I did that a year ago. I put please expedite commercial registration. I got my registrationin 10 days.

@OliverHallberg Месяц назад

Yo Chris, the tailnumber on the plane with broken wing, is visible 5:01 in your video :(

@Jim_Austin Месяц назад

While it’s not flying I hope you will touch up the trim paint colors on the cowling. The airplane looks fine except for that.

@angleofattack Месяц назад

Eh. Maybe. It’s a lot of $$$$

@Jim_Austin Месяц назад

@@angleofattack- It shouldn’t be. You can easily do it yourself. Get a local place to mix up a small amount of matching colors (an auto paint store or even Lowes or Home Depot if you have them there) and with some masking tape and a small brush do the touch up. It doesn’t have to be professionally done. Even a DIY job will look better than it does now.

@kadenabbott6546 Месяц назад

5:08 RIP

@KingdaToro Месяц назад

Just a heads up, the tail number of the plane with a damaged wing is clearly visible at 6:55.

@dariusanderson491 Месяц назад

The FAA is such a beauratraic joke.

@MargNet25 Месяц назад

Ugh. I’m sorry you’re dealing with this.

@StrokeMahEgo Месяц назад

The FAA loves to request additional information that they don't really need for reasons that they can't really articulate. Seems like government overreach to me. Congress/Supreme Court needs to get the executive branch under control.

@grayrabbit2211 Месяц назад

Let me shed a little light on this. I won't say that this is exactly what is going on at the FAA, but I suspect it's the same thing: My better half works in health insurance. She's worked there for quite a long time, starting on the lower rungs and worked her way up the food chain. The people who push paper have performance metrics they need to meet. Usually it's the number of documents touched in a day. Running short on your quota for the week/month? Just push the [Request more info] box and they get credit for processing that paperwork, even if everything was correct. Of course, in the long-run this backfires as there will be the steady stream of applications coming in PLUS the "need more info" applications coming back into the system. This creates a logjam and backs up things very good...so these keyboard jockeys will just push the [Request more info] button on the brand new applications and actually work the ones which came around again, although even then they'll still push the [More info] button on those too to make the metrics look good.

@angleofattack Месяц назад

This is eye opening

@RedNeckWelding Месяц назад

This is absurd, local DMV registers more cars per day than the FAA does in a year. They need to get this crap figured out!

@TheResoluteHawk Месяц назад

Just so you know, when you mentioned the plane with the broken wingtip and started blurring the tail number, it can still be seen at 5:00.

@user-we1fj1qc4h Месяц назад

I sent for my transfer and registration about a month ago. It didn’t take them long to cash my five dollars! Hopefully, I’ll get it soon, you as well.. Planes are meant to fly not sit in hangers

@markusmurdy6939 Месяц назад

Once I knew I had all the paperwork in place, submitted, and the FAA had taken longer than their published minimum timeframe, I leaned on my US House of Representative congressman for 'help with a federal agency', and things happened nice and fast... maybe an option for you?

@budowens6478 Месяц назад

Why is the FAA so hard to deal with? I’ve heard of other pilots having issues also

@angleofattack Месяц назад

Because they farm out any tech projects to the lowest bidder, who then gives the worst product. It’s slow and archaic.

@seabasssmith4439 Месяц назад

Well, that sucks...that means we ain't flyin' for another month 🤣

@angleofattack Месяц назад

@loupcityairservice9740 Месяц назад

I have two more airplanes with registration problems and expect the same thing will happen

@mxyzptlyk Месяц назад

Send them a registered letter (needs a receipt signature) telling them that you've been waiting for them for months, they know that you've submitted everything that they require from you, not your fault that it takes months to do a ten-minute job and you'll be flying your aircraft and checking your mail regularly. That'll work... right? No, are you sure. It should. 😫😫😁😁

@DrFlyboyCO Месяц назад

What the heck with the orange bird outside with a broken wing??

@bigclosetmusic4925 Месяц назад

if the 12 months have passed (14CFR 47.31 (c)... then make application again and continue to Fly under the requirements of §47.31(c)😲, completely within the regulatory requirements and maintains the effectiveness of the Airworthiness Certificate.

@rodos2001 Месяц назад

I wish you luck. You are law abiding and following the rules with ridiculous roadblocks to a simple solution. I am an old guy, not running a business and not really buying into these restraints in life. Everything you said and that you have done or tried to do will qualify you as respecting the way it has to be done. When you get old you will find you might not quite have the same feelings. You live in Alaska for gosh sakes. Land of the new frontiers and free. Except for the long, slow arm of the FAA. Brother, what a pain!

@angleofattack Месяц назад

It really is a pain. On another note, my local FAA rep helped me renew my CFI the last few days. It was painless and he was very helpful.

@rodos2001 Месяц назад

@angleofattack regulation and rules are to keep things safe for us all. There are good peeps in the FAA, but it has to function better rather than hold law abiding pilots hostage

@loupcityairservice9740 Месяц назад

They took two years to get my 150 registration done 🤬

@ralphwatt8752 Месяц назад

The whole FAA system needs a make over seemless service

@mrnelson928 Месяц назад

aero-space reports.....Chris Sanford

@farmdwg Месяц назад

is that 47X way in the back?

@angleofattack Месяц назад

The black and red one?

@farmdwg Месяц назад

@@angleofattack yeah the red one. It looks like it's on floats? If so, I've got a killer photo of it on the water that Jared took.

@gregjohnson3022 Месяц назад

Info commercial!

@Bluestreak589 Месяц назад

How much longer til we need bureaucracy to handle the bureaucracy that's supposed to have handled the bureaucrats who - Nominally, supposedly - Actually do something? Your experiences with the FAA are unfortunately not too dissimilar from problems I've had with other government offices, at all levels of government above the Ohio suburb I live in. The local bureaucrats I've had to deal with tend to get moving quicker doing their jobs if for no other reason than to not have me standing in their office bothering them - Easy to do when city hall is a mile or so down the street.

@angleofattack Месяц назад

They’re just so dysfunctional at the federal level. It’s astonishing.

@Carl-wr1dc Месяц назад

YOUR REG IS VALID AS OF 04/11/24

@lutherwasoniii6627 Месяц назад

To many *******regulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@angleofattack Месяц назад

Amen.

@markhuddleston5239 Месяц назад

Could you just stand still while filming?

@adamdobrzanski6631 Месяц назад

fly to oklahoma

@angleofattack Месяц назад

I hired someone who delivered it to them. A little cheaper.

@jayo3204 Месяц назад

Contact your congressional representative.

@shakey2634 Месяц назад

Somebody ground looped that 180?

@angleofattack Месяц назад

No. It had an engine out.

@shakey2634 Месяц назад

@@angleofattack Dang. I’m assuming everyone was okay? Cabin looks intact.

@RetreadPhoto Месяц назад

Why go to them first, though? It sounds like there’s nothing anybody can do, until some FAA clerk pulls up your account in sequence and stamps some paper for you. Calling once and sending a single email in 10 months is a terrible self-affliction. Sorry to hear you can’t fly it.

@angleofattack Месяц назад

That’s not true. Had I gone to them first they could have told me how to fill out the paper work.

@mikekoken Месяц назад

Is that an aircraft graveyard behind you???

@angleofattack Месяц назад

Haha. No. Only that one wrecked one is defunked.

@mikekoken Месяц назад

@@angleofattack the one next to it was pretty rough too. You should talk to my instructor Joe McKay in Huntsville Alabama. He has some thoughts on the FAA too.

@jameshibbard2963 Месяц назад

The aircraft can fly whenever you want. There is literally now one that there to stop you

@angleofattack Месяц назад

No, but there are consequences if I do. I could also steal a car and no one would stop me. Doesn’t mean there aren’t ramifications.

@SumonBari-eb9qz Месяц назад

Captain pailots airhostas

@davidhofman4341 Месяц назад

Contact your elected FEDERAL official. Many years ago I needed $300 paper from the government printing office to get my AI. After 4 months of waiting and push off phone calls I called a FEDERAL REP. and had everything in 3 days.

@zachmulligan11 Месяц назад

Start a new LLC, sell the airplane for $1, get the 12 month grace period again?

@MrBarbuster Месяц назад

you have a good point and legal too

@angleofattack Месяц назад

I don’t think that would work.

@akstol6468 Месяц назад

And, slow down the already backed up system….yeah, that will help.

@user-we1fj1qc4h Месяц назад

Not to mention if they they pull the N number, no bueno!!

@turninmonyin2noise978 Месяц назад

I had an aircraft that directly connected with my Father's WW2 service. I couldn't fly it do to a FAA paperwork issue.12 years 4 AIs and $30.000 dollars I was so drained I finally scrapped it. A local club sold a plane and about five years later they found out the FAA never did the sale and the new owner who had it about five states away had spent about $50.000 restoring the plane and couldn't use it. The FAA is more screwd up than a homeless fentinal overdose.

@emiradel Месяц назад

It is a pity to Give power to the Gov, they will find a way to sc.... Youno matter whom period.

@tombishop5835 Месяц назад

Hi I’m from the Federal Government here to help,but we are behind with all the inclusion training and Federal Hollidays, so leave a message at the beep,and maybe we will call you back till tone no beep!

@boeingav8tr525 Месяц назад

Personally, I you could’ve avoided this if you’d done your research. I’m on my 2nd plane, both registered to my LLC. I found it quite easy. All you need is to make sure you have your LLC documentation, your articles of organization (by laws), Did you do this?

@angleofattack Месяц назад

It’s clear as mud. Yes. I sent in the paperwork. But they wanted to know things like the citizenship of the members. How am I supposed to know all the rules? At one point I was sent a 100 page document when we were trying to fix this laying out each scenario. That’s unnecessarily complicated for a registration and it’d be hard to convince me otherwise.