Apollo 99 yep it’s about time,should be written by the likes of ,hanu mikola,Ari vattanan,stig ,whalter rhol mitchel mouton ,maku Alen and all that are still living today.
Statisticly, casualties from Group B is actually lower than some other sports, but that doesn't meant it is safe, it meant that drivers got insane godly level of skills.
@@DropkickNation yea because it was taking away popularity from F1..... They've always done this shit.... They got pissed when the 917k was bringing more popularity to sport endurance. And the fact that the 917 and the 512 were faster then the F1 cars of the period. They got mad when group A DTM was also more popular then F1.....
@@DropkickNation By introducing Group A? Maybe a little bit, but in 1986 the cars were already so fast that many of the drivers started to complain about it. However it probably would have been better if they had simply found some middle ground between those two extremes.
I was in 85 and was watching group b videos in 1990- as my old man Is a mad Peugeot fan, so it's a great childhood memory sneaking up in the early morning to chuck a group b/Dakar/pikes peak video on. I was hooked...
What we can learn from this video: The cars were iconic, the drivers had supernatural talent, the crowds were batshit insane and you gotta stay hydrated. I guess 80's music will never go out of style is another lesson.
They were clearly inspired by Kevin Bacon and the tractor-chicken race, thinking "oh shit, we need to take this to the next level". And group B was born.
This has got everything that hollywood likes. Incredible speed. Danger. Chaos inside the car as the copilot frantically tries to spit out the pace notes. Walter Rohl who had photographic memory and could memorize an entire 40 minute stage in a single practice run, and practice it back in his mind. I can't believe there has never been a movie made about group B rally. This is like a hidden gem of awesomeness.
Becouse if they showed group b to today's youth they would want it back and they know that it would end up in a disaster and cancelled anyway becouse if some mad man did a car with today's technology and techniques for group b it would end badly
@@unknowndriver6652 fuck netfilx when you got antti… this is exactly how it should be done, even the background music is tuned to be exactly what it needs to be: motivation, captivating without being to loud
Crazy how the winningest driver of the era was Timo Salonen. He smoked two packs a day, wore thick glasses while driving, and looked like he worked at a Radio Shack. Phenomenal
Clearly you didn’t take the time to go a little deeper into that race car , Lancia had a group B machine not only 4 WD and turbo , but just for kicks they had a supercharger , yup all three on one Group B race car ( the team on that year was just doing miracles with technology )
ClawZ , not sure about that , Lancia built the Lancia Delta 4WD that at some point became Surpercharged & Turbo , if he’s talking about the 037 , then yeah
@jonny j 037 was able to win over 4wd cars once, after that it always failed and then lancia went into the 4wd era as well and dominated again :D And the 037 was super and turbo charged both but only to minimize turbo lag so today they wouldnt need supercharging as well due to the anti lag systems
Back when "Supercar" wasn't defined as an 800HP V12, aerodynamic, AWD, luxurious showoff car that can reach over 200mph easily, but as a 400hp turbocharged 4-banger box with something vaguely resembling AWD, flying down twisty unpaved roads exceeding 100mph, eventually into civilians stupid enough to get anywhere near one.
Well, maybe except for the delta S4. That still classifies as a supercar nowadays if you'd rate its performance. Its engine developed 1000 horsepower at 5 bars of boost pressure and did the century in about 2.4 seconds. Blows my mind given that they're almost 40 years old
@Movie Fan I was lucky to witness the madness of Group B, my eyes water also, even just thinking about it. I went and watched the Welsh stages of the WRC recently, but I'm afraid it does nothing for me. It contains nothing to aspire to, I won't be going again.
And then they killed it by having drivers compete with these monsters on up to 3 stages PER DAY, despite they enormous strain even a single stage put on the drivers. Personally I still believe the FIA/Balestre overreacted. Yes, it was bad, but they could have instantly made it much safer by limiting events to 1 stage per day or night. Driver fatigue, or better: mental exhaustion, was as much or perhaps even more to blame for the accidents as the overpowered cars.
@Movie Fan i wasn't born yet, but I understand. For me it feels like a void in my heart, I feel sad watching these videos knowing I may never see this in person but am glad at least I see the memory left of it.
@@mudplugging add the electric rubbish and motorsports as we knew them will be dead. Rallyx has already added itself to list of stuff I'm not interested in any more.
Moral of the story, the spectators kinda had a death wish ahhaha, honestly i dont think they should have removed group B just made the spectators stand further away from the track
@@timonbubnic322 Arguably the greatest race series of all time but I'm very glad it was shut down. It was run completely irresponsibly. It wasn't just spectators that died needlessly - RIP Henri Toivonen & Sergio Cresto.
Tres años después de estos supuestos súper coches no quedaba ni un solo récord marcado por estos pilotos ni sus monstruos tan añorados,en fin no eran para tanto pero la nostalgia es así...
@@coolraul5119 los records no fueron superados por temas de potencia, la suspesión mejoro muchisimo, los frenos también, y lo que mas mejoro fueron las cubiertas, no hay comparación, pero la verdad es que los autos de group b tenian una fuerza terrible, mucho mayor que los autos de wrc de hoy en día
@@coolraul5119 hasta la misma fia declaro que las reacciones de los conductores eran demasiado lentas de tan potentes que eran los coches, no podian ajustar sus ojos entre curvas rapidas y sufrian de visión de tunel entre curvas.
1:38 This segment gets especially emotional when you remember that by the time Audi launched the 4WD Quattro they were winning every race, pretty much forcing all of the competition to develop a 4WD car that could compete with the Quattro. Lancia didn't have the budget to develop a new powertrain and instead made the 037, a RWD beast that ended up winning against Audi in 1983 despite all the odds being stacked against them. Very inspiring story.
That's cause you can't compete with Italians in speed. If necessary, they will dedicate their lives, drive their companies, themselves and their families in debt, sign a deal with the devil- just to beat you in the race. It's a fucking shame there are no companies ran by nutjobs, like Lancia, and those still alive are half-dead like Alfa Romeo, or are ran by big boring corps(I can only imagine Enzo's reaction if somone told him his company will be producing SUVs)
The story of Group B, the most insanely dangerous racing series ever known to man. There were virtually no restrictions and the series produced some of the most crazy race cars ever. But, Group B was so dangerous that it only lasted four seasons before it was abruptly cancelled after a number of crashes resulting in driver and fan fatalities.
4 seasons, but here we are still after more then 30 years talking and watching, honestly there needs to be again a group b, but with more safety things first, then power, it wouldnt be as crazy as in 80s but still crazy enough, no rules, just few, and amongst them safety features the most important, sure and ppl standing there near roads etc. somehow manage that, could get again crazy, but not i hope fatally crazy
I think (I repeat, I think) it was kind of common knowledge that if you stepped into the track, you'd be gone flying in bits cause surely the driver wouldn't change his course to avoid you with the certainty of killing 50 more ppl in the process. So it was up to you. But if you stayed out of it...well, you were fine.
@@LittleLightIsaOnce WRC cars have multiple driver assists to make sure the car stays on the road and won't lose traction. Group B didn't have that, it was basically a 600hp box with nothing more than a seat, steering wheel, 3 pedals, and a transmission lever. The driver's skill is what kept it on the road. Almost no safety features either, and a small mistake can send the car through a crowd of morons stupid enough to get near the track.
when you drive cutting edge equipment on the edge it makes your adrenalin pump hence causing you sweat,have you never done anything to get your own heart rate up?
1:30, Announcer - "Four-wheel drive is the future of rally and other contenders must heed the warning" 1:37, Lancia engineers - "Let's give rear-wheel drive one last bit of glory" *cues Danger Zone* Bravo sir for this absolutely beautiful tribute
That only worked for the first year in group B and Lancia may or may not salt some roads when there was snow on it so that they could be faster. Some old lancia employee confessed to that 😅 and the Lancia was the last rwd who won in rally (I think Clarckson explain it on the gran tour episode of the group B)
But the very best, nothing has matched it since. Amazing cars, amazing, charismatic drivers. Miss them so much. The demise, in part, by the stupidity of many spectators!!
@@sikais17 The best info we have is that the car was such a struggle to maintain control of it caused so much stress on Toivonen’s body that he lost conscious just before the crash
@WoreX045 How exactly can you blame them? They were doing what you naturally do in motorsport. They tried to make the best possible car to win the title. The car was extremely light, agile and ridiculously fast. It's the same theory that Lotus applied in Formula 1 on their way to being one of the most successful teams of all time. Simplify and add lightness. And this case a fuck ton of power.
@@GECKOZFTW lancia said he wasnt allowed to back out of any rally again or else he would lose commission. he said he wasnt feeling good in the clip before the crash
Grown ass man. The ending makes me tear up every time. 😭 Edit: No matter how many times I watch it. Watching such a beautiful sport just die.. For some reason that just hits me really hard, these men and women were in leagues of their own....
Initially Henri insisted on racing even with the flu and a sore throat, as he wanted to retain his championship lead which he lost when he retired from the rally in Sweden. He won stage after stage leading the pack and most certainly going to win the Tour de Corse. However he later began complaining about the immense stress of racing there, with such a powerful and fast car on such small and unforgiving roads. After the first day he was quoted with saying “This rally is insane, even though everything is going well at the moment. If there is trouble, for sure, I am completely finished.”
The drivers boycotted a rally before because of an accident and Toivonen was one of those who refused to race. Lancia didn't like that and basically told him that he couldn't walk out of another rally.
This is an incredible short film masterpiece. It captures the whole Group B era, with honesty, in 15 minutes. It made me cry. Thank you for your work. Viva La Group B.
@hffp1 Even with modern safety standards Group B would be too dangerous. The amount of deaths and injuries speaks for itself. As much as I love the cars from this period, there's a reason Group B was banned.
@@GECKOZFTW why ban group B when the tourist trophy a are killed every year and yet this competition is more dangerous than group b but it is still there.
@@male446 Why ban Group B? The drivers of the time said themselves that the cars were extremely hard to drive. In that clip in this video Toivonen said "There's no brain that can be fast enough." As in, the cars were so fast that even the best rally drivers couldn't think fast enough throughout the course. As for the Isle of Man TT, there's no real way to make motorbike racing safer. As well as that, motorbike riders know exactly what they sign up for when they enter. They are aware of the huge risk of the TT.
@@GECKOZFTW precisely why authorized one more than the other when the risk is almost the same? all because there are old people who camp on their decision who are 30 years old when the fans ask for a feedback from group b because the rally now is boring
@@male446 That just won't happen. I can't see rally cars having as much as 600 bhp again. It's simply not possible that anyone in the FIA would allow it. I mean Modern WRC cars despite having about half the power of the most powerful Group B cars are much faster than them on courses of similar lengths. If these modern cars would have double the power, we would have a repeat of Group B. Competitors getting killed or injured, spectators getting killed or injured. I don't ever see it happening but don't get me wrong, it's good that Group B happened. Because it showed the FIA what the limits are and made some of the most iconic racing cars ever.
Nah Naturally aspirated Metro 6R4's made the best noise - got the chance to see a couple at Hill Climbs in the UK would love one in the garage, such a mean looking car. Some say ugly but love that look.
Jukka Nyyssölä.... I agree with you. What an excellent video art piece. Excellent shot selection with depth in different angles, views, time frame in seconds, with the best beautiful choreography music, nicely balanced.. Yes.. Fantastic job..!!
RWD group B wasn’t very exciting, the cars weren’t really that powerful, but the 4wd ones were very powerful, overall a very exciting video to explain y group B should be brought back, just make sure to incorporate better sporting events and safety, but that’s mainly the reason the cars r so under powered now
I've never been touched so much by a video before. Had to think for a while before moving on. People say that the 80's are too romanticized and it's all related to nostalgia. I was born in 1995, so I can't speak about nostalgia, but I love car culture and motorsport in general, especially rallycross and rally. The whole pacing of the video is as it should be. Action, living on the edge, hardships but still much joy. Then things get more dangerous, the greed and expectations take over, everyone knows that something really bad is about to happen, but they led this kind life for so many years, why quit now? And then tragedies happen. Henri and Sergio were both exhausted, the Lancia was too powerful for Corsica, and he even led the Tour de Corse, but still, he felt that he had to go. We don't know too much about the circumstances of the crash, but I bet that something happened to him still on course. And then everyone admitted: this period was the peak of their lives. Even though the whole thing has a sour taste because the tragedies happened, nowadays there are quite less chances of living such an intense, passionate life in any kind of motorsport. The ending footage, the flashbacks of pinnacles of many lives... Truly romantic in every aspect. Thanks for making this video! Also thank you for reading my whole comment, It had to come out. :)
Fantastic comment. Like the video and the most extreme motorsport eras (Group B probably being the most iconic), it prompts very profund meditations about life. It's about something more than fast cars.
I've probably watched this video 25 times now and shared it with all my friends. What a well thought out and put together movie. The music, the intense rally footage, the interviews, the voice overs, even the scenes of all the driver drinking water its all perfect. This is why RU-vid is great. Thank you
@@kanciastygra The downfall of Lancia had nothing to do with rallying success, I can assure you that. Do you know how many wrc titles Lancia got from the 80's till the mid 90's?
This was the time for the real heros and pioneers. Sure, it was dangerous a lot, but they lived their life in pure freedom and own risk. No one told them what to do or not. The golden 80's !!!
Exactly this! If I want to strap myself for a rocket fuel powered monster and race against dozen like minded people, why the hell should anyone have the power to stop me? Fuck the nanny state!
@@jojoanggono3229 Delta is the only "Group B"-car that managed to keep its relevancy over the switch in 1987 to Group A. That's pretty much the whole reason why it was so dominant, while others cars went to Dakar (205) or Pikes Peak (Quattro), Delta kept racing in WRC-obviously, tuned down and "heavely revised" to match Group A's specifications, and still... From 1987 to 1992, nobody could match it. Not until Subaru and Toyota managed to find the perfect key, with Impreza and Celica respectively, that the Delta eventually got outclased. By 1993, Lancia's support was reduced to a few tweaks on it and finally, by 1994, the Delta-which firstly appeared in 1985 RAC Rally as a Group B-car, had finally disappeared from the WRC grid; thus ending the legacy of Group B on the WRC.
I love the editing here. “All future serious contenders must heed the warning.” Then highway to the danger zone kicks in with a rear wheel dive 037 thrashing it at full bore. Beautiful.
Can we please take a moment to appreciate the PERFECT timing of the backfire from the Audi at 6:04 with the beat of the song.... Holy shit. The video in general is amazing.
Rafael Lopes I agree 😍. BTW, her name is Michèle Mouton. 😉 I just wished she would have driven the Peugeot 205 T16 at one point. What a great driver she was.
Jeez, after the black and white flashbacks of Henri, the music fading in again with final look back at the great times...that was legitimately powerful.
If I was Henri I would have gone to the Lancia Boss directly putting a gun to his head saying "If You going to try to put my life to risk it's *always* YOUR life first! Write down: " Any Lancia driver has the undeniable right to step back from any race, plus gets fully paid if he/she steps back for safety precautions or direct health issues. " Actual date, sign it, stamp it, done! That's the only way Italian bosses do comprehend *serious* business *before* somebody dies.
@@kevin4324 umm dont forget 60s70s sports car racing with bmw csls, 935s,935k3s,917s,gt40s and 80s DTM with e30 m3s, 190e cosworths, and the alfas.....
@@TheNewGeneration-wh4kr yes it was and the Japanese mastered it. Muscle cars, especially hot rods, when racing they were power sliding.the Japanese when racing realized the fastest way on the mountain was by power sliding.then they liked it and started accually drifting
The Drifttechnique was inventend in Rallysport to position the cars better in curves on slippery ground. The Japanese made only a complete Driftsport out of it.
watched only the first two minutes and its one of the best cut videos that I have seen, the music taken from Top Gun perfectly matches this crazy era of rally competition...Michele Mouton, Blomquist, Vantanen, Mikkola, Salonen...and not to forget Walter Roehrl...my personal favourite
Gotta respect the co driver, their life is in the hands of the driver, they're at the mercy of his/hers ability and their notes, being launched down the most claustrophobic roads at triple digit speeds and not even looking up to see what's coming, they're putting their lives in the control and trust of their driver and that takes a lot of nerve
This is sincere accidental vaporwave art. The A E S T H E T I C S is quite nice. The 80's were wild man. The lack of safety measure, the pressure on the drivers, the sakes, the money, the glory. Fucking insane.
80's are definitly a global golden age for motorsports, but. The begining of 80's >for rally> hyper golden age. Everything was crazy, the format of rallys, the audience on roads, the CARS and then the warrio… the drivers.
