It was unbelievable, I feel like his reactions to his instincts helped awaken my own instincts. I have never experienced something like that through a RU-vid video. I have a immense respect for him
This is brilliant..It is a shame that this does not have more views. As a 29 year old man, this has impacted me deeply. Great job, you three! You have gained a new subscriber.
Holy shit. As a younger dude (17) who’s ennui with life perfectly maps on to the familial imbalances you all described (absent father, overprotective mother, negative peers, etc etc etc) this video means SO much to me. With my endless rationalizing, which as you say is merely a virtual experience, I would have never been able to actually connect the dots without your help. My genome is absolutely firing off through my limbic system right now…
Regarding triggering the instinct in men to protect women: There’s a clip from an Indian dating show that perfectly enacts what Steve described. - A woman is emasculating a male contestant. - He doesn’t take the bait. - Frustrated she slaps him across the face. - Reflexively he slaps her back. - Instantaneously a group of men flood the stage and attack him while he yells repeatedly, “How can she slap!?” It’s eerie how consistent these things are that drive us. The clip: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-V4akMaeZ0-k.html
"Individuation is the unfolding of your genome." Well I'll be damn, that hit me hard. In the fall of 2018 I had the first of several recurring dreams of trying to cross an unstable bridge over water. Each time I tried to cross I'd plunge into the dark depths below. At first I was trying to either take people with me, there were people under the water I felt compelled to save, or dead bodies I needed to recover and send to the surface. The following month after the first of these dreams, a family tragedy happened. I was triggered and turned to an old addiction for comfort I thought I'd beaten years before. Turns out I'd only repressed it. Another family tragedy in 2019, neurosis deepened. The celerity of my devolution was easy to see. I became very underweight, isolated, socially anxious, addictions hooked in further, my marriage disintegrated. In despair I had a sort of awakening where I could see how all my past trauma shaped my personality up to this point in a way that had me managing present trauma poorly all while I was fighting the loss of youth. Yikes! I now understand these dreams represented a lot of things. The water represented my unconscious. There are things swimming about in there I thought didn't bother me but realized they crippled me immensely from fulfilling my potential. But it wasn't until yesterday, from watching this channel and reading Jung, I realized the crossing of the bridge in the dreams was a metaphor of crossing youth to middle age. I laughed so hard when I recognized this. All this internal drama just because I'm in transition. But it's an important drama. Through it, I recognize that I cannot take with me the illusions, lies, fantasies, and old coping mechanisms of my youthful ego if I want to make it to the other side of that bridge (middle age) as a more whole and therefore effective individual. It feels as though my genome (which I called God before today) grabbed me by the back of the neck, shoved my face in the water, made me look at all the dead bodies, and feel all the pain as a way of saying, "Get real because you will die someday, it could be anytime, and you must deal and heal if you want to be all that you were born to be." All that I was born to be is simply the maturation of this human life so I better accept it and get on with it. Oh the sweet joy and misery of a midlife crisis. Thank you for your amazing discussions. They bring so much clarity to the shitstorm that is my life.
After watching this video I realised I have never been confirmed neither by peers, nor mother and father... Feels liberating actually. Now I am studying Mark Solms. Thank you or the useful information!
Steve, your vulnerable display of emotion, and James and Pauline's reaction to supporting you through it, connected me so much with the content of what you were talking about. You were actually modelling to us all, that which encompass your life's work. In those beautiful displays of emotion, you were practicing what you preach and that's what makes what you do come alive. I freakin love the three of you! Thank you for what you do for humanity!
I just wanted to say how glad I am to have found this channel. Just to see some sane and grounded people discuss these topics with so much humanity, is fulfilling a need I didn't know I had.
Hello Steve, Pauline, and James. I've been deeply touched by your videos about manhood, which has been my greatest struggle for as long as I can remember. Thank you very much for your work. I'm a 36-year-old single guy, growing up with divorced parents. My father has been verbally abusive since I was very young, so until I reached the age of 14/15 my basic stance towards him was one of fear. At the age of 14, I was living in an unsafe environment as we lived with my mother's boyfriend who was an alcoholic. So, I finally decided to go and live with my dad, who at the time had a stable family with his partner and two children. But only a few months after I moved in, they divorced. My father went into a full-blown midlife crisis and the verbal abuse continued (and years of completed chaos followed). Years later, I can only conclude he's a narcissist. He literally screwed over his own kids financially (including myself), betrayed our trust, and used us for his own selfish pursuits. A few years ago, I decided to cut off contact, because his destructive behavior has spiraled out of control lately. But this isn't the end of it. I've been suffering the loss of my father figure, regardless of how abusive he was. Why? Well, because he's my dad and he saved me from my overprotective mother. My mother couldn't handle the divorce from my father after I was born, and I believe I was basically his replacement - a kind of emotional spouse, or some kind of souvenir. My father observed that my mother projected all her fears onto me, the fear of swimming, the fear of traveling, the fear of traffic, and so forth. Now, due to my father's efforts (how harsh they may have been), I was able to distance myself from her to a great part: I got into dating, several romantic relationships, and friendships, even though these things have always been problematic for me. But on the other hand, I grew emotionally dependent on him and was totally open to his manipulation. In his way, he was overprotective as well: he made most decisions for me until I was in my late twenties. But since he's gone, I've found myself leaning toward my mother again the past several years as she offered me some comfort (in regards to my dad). She also started to project her fears onto me again. I wasn't aware at all that this was happening until I started to see the signs. Last year, she told me that I wouldn't be suitable for a relationship and children, as I'm way too sensitive for that. As a consequence, I booked a ticket to Asia and went away for a few months, basically out of rebellion. Now, the thing is: I miss my dad as much as I despise him. And somehow, I feel that he should finish his work in regard to my initiation as a man. I did accomplish quite a lot in life already, but I still don't feel like I'm a fully grown adult. At the same time, I want to defeat him because of what he has done, and to show the world (especially my mother) that I'm my own man. I hate my father; not just for the crook he is, but because he abandoned me. I also want to thank him, as I believe that without his efforts I'd have truly become my mother's mini-me. Currently, my life is organized and tranquil, I'm financially okay... but sometimes I just want to destroy everything I own, and go to war, get tattoos, get into battles, and come back, liberated from my fears of life. These romantic ideas are often aroused by movies like Fight Club and series like Breaking Bad. And dr. Jordan Peterson... don't get me started about him. Less extreme is a deep but unexplainable urge to move out of town, to somewhere, and start all over. As Peterson would say: "to establish oneself in the world." Now, I'm basically at a crossroads. (1) I can soldier on like I'm doing now. (2) I can choose a solitary spiritual path and find peace with how things are, as meditative practices really help to dissolve all my negative thinking, which I'm seriously considering. (3) I can "take the curriculum", meaning that I find a girl, have kids, et cetera. I've got major trust issues and have struggled a lot with anxiety, guilt, depression, and suicidal thoughts in the past. Don't feel obligated to answer this post (although I'd appreciate that very much), however, it might contain things to talk/think about. Thank you.
I wasn't going to watch this video tonight though the thumbnail really caught my attention "release your instincts". Within minutes of seeing the thumbnail, the topic of instinct popped up whatever room I walked into, from my family talking about my dog shagging the blanket in one room to the TV show I was watching in another room. Suffice it to say I felt compelled to watch this video asap. Strangely enough right before I watched the video, I watched a 2 minute video in my subscriptions of police in the UK "macrophaging" peaceful people on their way to a protest. Synchronisity and instinct called me to watch this video and I'm glad I did. What a powerful discussion, had my undivided attention for the hour(that's no small feat haha). I'm a 28 year old man and everything here resonated with me. I needed to hear all this, so thank you for being so open and real. Thanks again for the great content, much love to guys
i'm a similar age to Steve. my fatherless-father wouldn't have been impressed if I'd won a Nobel Prize, scored the winning goal in the World Cup or rescued somebody from a burning building...
I wanted to say to you Steve, paired with the fact that I am starting to have a fair amount of father transference onto you, it means a lot to see you get emotional. I never felt from my father that he cared for me in a parental way, more like a childish friend who could sometimes lose his temper and throw his weight around with no real authority. I can see and feel the care you have for the people in my generation and it touched me and made me emotional to hear such a genuine expression.
Hi again Journey through the Nebula, thank you so much for your kind words, they help Pauline and I very much, to keep going. Blessings Fellow Traveller... Steve.
Instincts over archetypes is definitely the most direct way to find a solution to personal problems. I like to think of it as though the archetypes are like the paint on a statue or the words on a sign post while the instinct is the statue or the signpost themselves. These are just my thoughts haha
I really (expletive) respect you, Steve. Though we’ve not met in person, you’re helping me day in and day out, as are all of you. All of this resonates so deeply. I’m coming back to life, the atrophied instincts are reawakening. I’m 45, and I think I found you all just in time not to let my genome die. I’m still scared but like a soldier with tears in my eyes, I’m facing it all right now, the battle in front of me. I know I’m well-equipped, and you all continue to point me and others back to the true source of our strength! Thank you so very much! 🙏
Hi again, @newcures7813, thank you so much for your kind words. The respect is mutuaal, you're putting in the work as a 'Fellow Labourer in the Vineyard of the Human Soul'. Kindest Regards, Steve
Thank you all and thank you Steve for not shaming the young generations of today. I would say that in today's culture and speaking from experience it takes immense courage to wake up in a time like we know now.
This channel is proving to be not only intellectually rigorous, but also deeply emotionally authentic in its underlying message. I feel very fortunate to be able to learn from the three of you through these videos. Thank you for all your work 👏🏻
Your content is really amazing, there's nothing like this anywhere else on youtube! Is there another way I can get the shadow integration manual, because I just can't seem to get it, spam or no spam I didn't recive anything, and I'm dying to see it😄
17:30 Really interesting, just last weekend at night, there was a women screaming for help. Literally dozens of men were running towards here to help immediately. You could feel the aggression and alertedness in the air. Men were starting to shout. Me and my friends were watching the scenery from a rooftop, all male friends of mine were pretty alert aswell.
This video is fairly topical for me, since I've recently been drifting away from archetypes as a guiding force in the exploration of my thoughts. I came to realize that the archetypes I most resonated with pointed me to a deeper story. It was a story that I felt welling up inside me that made me feel more deeply and joyously than I have ever felt previously. When Steve described something instinctual beyond mere archetypes I understood exactly what he meant. It's something I can't hold back once I start thinking about it. I've never felt so content as I do now.
❤️I felt really strong feelings while watching and listening to this. I think this is really good work and the discussions here are containing important teachings. A good video. 🙂 ❤️
Lol, so I have been self Journaling as 'Abraxas' due to Hermanm Hesse being introduced to me 5 years ago by a firefighter/bartender mate from a prison.. and here I am, watching this video getting posted an hour ago and just thinking 'huh', because I used the Abraxas archetype as an attempt to escape my Devouring Mother. :_)
Hi again a3mink, nothing is wasted, ever, that which is new overlays or otherwise blends with what is older. The journey counts, and Respect andf Blessings, for yours. Kindest Regards, Steve.
@@JungToLiveBy Wow, thank you so much for the kindness as a reply. It certainly is a process of self discovery and learning (especially as somebody who never received an education beyond 17) so trying to amalgamate all this knowledge into an understanding of oneself.. really is a unique process. The journey counts - thank you. 🙏
Fascinating talk. Half way through It remerbers me, how my group of friends, in my teenage years, adopt me. A strong group with woman, homosexual and heterosexual men. All unique, different views on the world, different family and social backgrounds... Nothing sexual. No intern Sex or relationship, only friendship. They gave me, strength, inner security, they accept me with all my flaws, but challenge me to go further, work on me, let me fail, let me develop a better relating function... Now, I am almost 40 years old. I couldn't be thankful enough for this fail save system called friendship, for this time with them. They saved me, metaphorically speaking :)
I've been lurking on this channel for a few weeks, going through the impressive volume of content you've generated so far. Now I've got to say that this is one of the best videos you've made yet. I actually got emotional around 46:22. We're all in this strange battlefield of a culture war together and I humbly try to be man enough to bear the shield. I see a bright future for this channel!
Thank you all so much for your work. Began to sense in my mid 20s (currently mid 30s) that I had missed some steps in personal developement. Moderately over-protective mother and moderately-neglective father; no real confirmation of adulthood or masculinity. This has been helping me cover some of that lost ground in a way. I sense/fear that this is becoming more prevalent this day and age, maybe especially in western culture. Thank you for your caring and hopeful approach; a true beacon of light 🙏
Amazing work Generations trauma on my Mothers side, didn’t see my Bio Father from ages 3-28, met him and then he died. Step father was indifferent and occasional violent . Went to boarding school age 14, when I got back my parents moved to Saudi Arabia. No peer group. Age 51 today unmarried with no children and luckily healthy
Thank you Steve, you’re a good man. Appreciate this perspective on archetype as expression of and container for instinct. And Pauline for offering that the instinctual can be no less numinous. One might consider that these “drives of being” are inextricably tied to the “will to live”...
As a Southern European it's refreshing and weird to see an Englishman get so emotional, I didn't think it was possible! Jokes aside I love your videos and you should all be proud of what you are doing.
The things discussed and alluded to here are more powerful and deep than I can dare attempt to percieve and reflect on in a single moment. Steve sums it up well in his statements about what the current generation has been and is faced with. This sht is very fkn serious; very terrible, even horrific; the good news is we have what we need... Thanks to these guys and those who have came before them, and ourselves. It's all there...
Wowww... what a great video! You've been very brave Steve and in this video you made my understanding about instincts "vs" archetypes skyrocket. I can now perfectly see what they are in my own experience. That was amazing! Thank you very much!!!
Hi again Mister Mixlepick, thank you and blessings, I'm humbled by your kind words. I reach, and fall, like any man, but value very much your comments and brotherhood. Kindest Regards, Steve.
The ending of this video with beautiful quotes has given me hope. I was also de-valued by my father, like it didn't matter whatever I did, he wouldn't have valued my things, ideas, etc. Like I was doing useless things. At the same time he's stuck with his own life. No personal development at all and he everytime tends to take control over me, like an expression "will to power". And I think it's unhealthy to submit to the powers that do harm. Because in my case he just devalued me and wanted me to become him. Like utmost arrogance and ignorance with occasional urge to humiliate. So, basically, fathers today are a bit "screwed up", but instead of fathers I've seen lots of "kidadults", like even old men act like in an infantile manner, not grownups in its real sense of the word. I sometimes see my father like a kid, who acts like a grownup, even he has a haircut like a Schwarzenneger-like. And acts like a "brutal man without a feelings" and it's quite hilarious. And chose a woman, that it is not that beautiful at all, at the same time saying that "he can get any woman", contradicting his statements with his deeds. The only thing that disgusts me, that I've tried many times to make him be interested in me, even had various discussions, however he was never there. Like everything that was said didn't matter to him. And it's quite harsh, probably this results in consequences like constant seeking of validation. The more I know about those things, the more I understand that how those things are hard to do, like a complex mechanism with proper setups. I mean those stages of development.
Hi I’m new here, very interesting videos although a lot to take on at a time. What exactly do you mean archetypes are the blue pill and instinct are the red pill? Thanks
Hi Smokillo, if you join our Discord Server, there’s literally thousands of posts covering this amongst a very dedicated and supportive community of peers 🙏
I wish I had the words to describe better i felt with this video. I'm not a native english speaker so all my thoughts are really difficult to translate to english. This videos have helped me a lot. Thanks JTLB
Hi folks, quick question regarding study material, do you have wisdom regarding the order in which to take in books/ideas/information as to get an as deep as possible understanding of the whole perspective that your channel revolves around? For example; I've heard you mention the classics like Faust or Dante multiple times. And I am wondering if it's a good idea to just dive into those to be able to scratch them off my list, or if it would be more prudent to for example first read the whole collected works by Jung (I'm just throwing a random possible path out there) as to have a more developed lens through which I would subsequently be better able to interpret the classics when I get to them. Or maybe some completely other order of reading? I'd love to get your perspective on which study path you think is most effective. Basically, where is the best place to start? If you've discussed this somewhere already my apologies I've not been able to go through all the videos just yet.
I would recommend you go to where your libido flows. There’s a tendency amongst intellectual types to procure a list of things that they are “supposed” to read. I personally found that when I started individuating properly I suddenly dropped my reading of “The Iliad”. I was about halfway through and it was like I’d totally forgotten about it. As for books that you are genuinely fascinated by, I wouldn’t worry so much about having a psychological framework for it so long as it is compelling to you. That can always come later. What you should be weary of is being totally assimilated by the narrative. If the story does genuinely have something necessary to your own development, it seems to me that there’s also a danger of a complex emerging around it (i.e an unconscious identification with the main character). What follows is a maladaptation that precludes development. If you are trying to read something merely to “scratch it off your list”, I would first ask yourself what it is that is compelling you to think and act in that way. Added note: I hadn’t finished watching this video before commenting, didn’t realize that my mentioning of the Iliad would relate to the instinctual power of the Spartan reference. But I guess that goes to show the personal nature of what I was getting at, it’s about what is resonating with YOU. Different things will move different people to enact their potential in the world.
@@nickrolser and Kevin thank you for your comments. My reasoning behind my gravitation towards the classics is the fact that much of our current culture is of course in some sense instructed by the classics and newer works almost always built or take in some ways from the classics. So that by understanding the classics I will have a better understanding of what much of the culture (and thus I myself) "run" on. Why that, in turn, compels me is of course the reason much of us are here, the individuation process, to find out what are the wheels and cogs that I run on without knowing it.
Hi daerorb, many thanks, specifically for this channel, I'd recommend going to the beginning and then the end. The bits in the middle will then make more sense. We're about Depth Psychology, which has a context. The classical summary of this is Henri Ellenberger's 'The Discovery of The Unconscious'. That will give a context for the beginning so to speak. Psychotherapy has two parents - hypnosis, and medicine, and more particularly, neurological medicine. It's been a long journey with many ramifications and diversions. The 'end' albeit that reachend, is a new begining, includes the latest reasearch into 'Affective Neuroscience' and its allied discipline: 'Neuropsychoanalysis'. For these, the work of Mark Solms and Jaak Pannksepp stands out. Jung was a little after the original beginning. His work was very much his own personal journey after 1912. People like Anthony Stevens, Enest Rossi (ourselves), Erik Goodwyn and John Ryan Haule, have brought the wider perspective of biology and even hypnosis, back into Jung. We're also working to bring Jung into Neuropsychoanalysis. Kindest Regards, Steve.
Very nice synchronicity with guiding my 8 year old son toward doing a school talk on the Spartans last week. I think I understands Steve's beef with left brain/right brain material better now. Thank you again...it did make me wonder (and I have had this conversation so I'm consciously aware) if my recent interest in blade smithing and knives is a subconscious reaction to the degradation of society. I liked hearing your opinions on the current crop of police.
Hi again Owen, many thanks, really glad you've enjoyed the video. Thanks to for sharing your comments, which are very interesting.... Kindest Regards and Best Wishes, to you and Your Son. Steve.
@23:36 this is EXACTLY me. I've been trying to push myself more and more towards the things I'm afraid of but what I'm still confused about is, which instincts do I need to re-connect to? The only one that comes to mind is my aggression.
Hi Jordan, many thanks, I’d highly recommend looking up Mark Solms work he’s a Neuropsychoanalyst, also the work of Jaak Panksepp of Affective Neuroscience, they’re both expert on Instincts. Respect and Kindest Regards, Steve🙏
This video has made me realize how fucked up I am, and why. I will attempt to formulate a psychological 'formulation' of myself and send you it, for hopefully some help. My English isn't that great (as you've probably noticed already) even though it's my first and only language but I'll do my best. Thank you. the three of you for all you do already.
Maybe I'm a bit biased but I don't see a particular stand-out problem with the police, I see their issues as symptom of something, maybe a collective lack of meaning. Amazing vid I will check out Mark Solms work
Hi seribelz, many thanks for your kind words, it's my personal experience, and that of my family, set in the context of the times, compared to that of my own service when I was young. Kindest Regards, Steve.
Perhaps because he no longer sees the purpose of the police as serving the people. But rather to enforce a political agenda ( i.e political correctness; wokeism), which is contrary to the people's best interests.
Thanks domkane30, I'd check out Professor Rossi's website, there's loads of material there for download and a compl;ete list of his publications. Sadly he passed on September 19th 2020, it will take us another generation of trained therapists to ctach up withg his ground-breaking work. Blessings and Kindest Regards, Steve.
Ah I didn't realise he'd passed away, what sad news. Thanks for the reply Steve. I've just received a copy of The Psychobiology of Mind-Body Healing. It's such a fascinating subject and I'm looking forward to getting stuck in! Cheers
Sorry not a native speaker. Oh boy. In the first 4 min, you explained to me my problem, what's going on... In such an easy way. my childhood, I couldn't relate to father and grandfather. Both hardcore alcoholics and worse. Showing no interest in us, me and my sister. A constant feeling I wasn't worth enough for both father figures, to carry on our DNA. 3 Therapeuts couldn't explain to me, weren't interested to go deeper, why I have major episodes of depression since childhood. A kind of cbt treatment with meds Thank you
Really powerful Steve, but I would ask you to question one thing. You stated after your emotional release, "I am not a spartan and never have been..." Are you sure about that? The channel New Thinking Allowed may be the next step in the journey of that question. Thanks everyone.
Hi @skehoemusic, thank you for your very kind words, and your suggestion that I look into what may be behind the symbols involved. Jeffrey Mishlove was an early inspiration for me through his book ‘The Roots Consciousness’ in 1975. It had pride of place on my bookshelf alongside Jung’s ‘Man and His Symbols’ and Mike and Nancy Samuel’s ‘Seeing With The Mind’s Eye’. I still have my original copies from the early to mid 1970s. Their ideas gave me a place to build my personal identity around when in 1975, as a very young front-line police officer, my true calling was separating itself out from that other, world of the streets. Blessings and Respect, Steve 🙏🏛️
Thank you so much for replying personally Steve. I really appreciate Jeffery's channel and think that it is a great place to get grounded in order to soberly explore "if you actually were a Spartan ;)" You all are giving me so many important pieces. Love, respect, and gratitude to you all@@JungToLiveBy
Blessings, @skehoemusic, it would be nioce to talk with Jeffrey one-day and tell him how much he influemnced me 50 years ago. Respect to You, and for Your Journey. Kindest Regards, Steve.
So a boy with a narcissist mother and absent father. He seeks the father which is absent plus the mother controlling behavior. Then as you say without a father presence he would seek next friends. But the boy is weak and can’t really bond with friends. He moves away from the family. Lives alone, obviously still attached emotionally to the mother and without a group or father he can never grow up. At 36 he develops an autoimmune illness. He is 40 now and he is fighting for his life and has still not fully grown up.
Hi @willdasilva4459, affect (emotion) is the carrier-wave of instinct. Instinct is the intentionality of the genome for life-span development and adaptation. Disruptions to the genomically anticpated through-line of a life, generate complexes, that originally partition-off from the Ego, in order to protect it, or adapt to the fustration of those instincts, that had intended that things should go optimally for us. The solution is not in complexes. Its in genome itself, and how that represents itself in the image of an individuation process. Kindest Regards, Steve.
Hello Steve, Pauline and James, Love your latest videos, they were really eye-opening. I am from Egypt, which means I come from an eastern culture, I was wondering how the differences between the western and eastern culture is going to affect my psycho-biological development? Thank you.
Hi again zico zeus. ManyThanks for youir kind comment: psycho-biological, won't be different, there may be due to the unique culture, but psycho-biologically, if there is any effect, it will the same. Kindest Regards From us All, Steve.
Thank you very much for your honest interaction with your instincts Steve. My heart is broken at the inexcusable treatment of males in western society today. It is as though we are slipping backwards into the abyss. I cannot believe that people who have seen themselves as victims would victimize others in the same way. There is no learning, so, what is the point?
Hi @mattm.5436, in the UK, I would say the police began to change in the miod 1990s, with an acceleration immediately post millenium, until their present configuartion took hold fully, around 2012. My understanding through former colleagues, is that the same process was undrway in the US too. Psychotherapy began to change in the mid 80s, although the seeds for this were lain in the 60s. It is now an extensively 'captured' culture, at least within the university systems. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏
Unfortunately, I think the Protestant Christian view of the body tends to make people hate their body and thus their instincts. Some Protestants say that the body is good but I think the damage is so large that its hard for Protestants to predominantly see instincts as something that is good. I come from a Protestant background and am trying to understand instincts now, and it’s brought a lot of healing to my life. I don’t mean to go against Protestantism but it just makes me sad and honestly afraid to see how much potential damage their view of the human body has done to people
@@JungToLiveBy Yeah, I hope it didn’t come off as too harsh. I think it’s because I come from a Protestant background. I really hope more people can be exposed to the work IPSA is doing. It could really help our world.
I might be getting this wrong, but at around 43:00 you mention that archetypes are just the culturally mediated narrative of the instinct? That seems really off. The archetypes are condensed narrative frames, yeah, and they are tied to instincts and there are cultural narratives that portray the archetype, but archetypes in and of themselves exists in a latent narrative form which is at the very least biological if not ontological.
@@JungToLiveBy haha I apologize. How do you define Archetypal, archetypal image, and instinct? You could also just point me to the material online. Thanks for responding!
This is taken from a JTLB Discord Post, Today: by Steve Richards: 'Lionel' if you know of him? Has posted a video, which is a bit rambling, within which he says that there is 'no answer' to the problem and in (good-enough) forensic style, basically sets out the issue of perspective and starting point, which has an 'Engelian' ('Where you think you stand, determines what you think you see') merit too. The 'problem, is the total failure to address the field that Superpositions itself into collapsed 'political' and 'religious' (including any sense of higher 'meaning') representation. The dynamic Lionel needs to address; that which even biologists and anthropologists seem to ignore, is the fundamental nature of being 'human', set within a Darwinian context. The Freud-Adler-Jung equation is an applicable Ockham's Razor, to explain what's going on, on the surface. The Freudian element powers everything; it becomes 'concealed' at the level of Adler, and then when it elevates into an ideological (religious) level of inflationary justification, the equation reverses, back down through the Adlerian (political) and back into fundamental Freudian (Darwinian) drives for gratification, and survival - competitively. However, this Ockham's 'cut' is only the first What must be more deeply appreciated, is the Depth Psychological underpinning (first understood by Jung) about the nature of the collective psyche (note his observations on 'Wotan', and collective forces manifesting as various forms of totalitarianism, in the psyche, from the late 1930s and through the early 1960s). However, with yet another pass of Henry of Ockham's razor, we get to the truth Jung avoided, that the 'collective psyche' is just a superpositioning of the 'collective genome' and its fields. The 'unus mundus' he conceived of (through his predecessors earlier work) is real. This superpositioned-field, has its own dynamics, which although 'psychoid' in Jung's understanding (that is, not 'psychological' and so not accessible to Ego-consciousness), does in fact represent itself, indirectly, through 'Representational Psychodynamics'. Jung's 'Archetypal Image' (the representation in the psyche and culture) was not, the 'Archetype in itself' - for Jung. That unfortunate Ego-reductionism - a psychological-reductionism, that collapses into the Ego, was a limit that Jung found very difficult to exceed. In fact, 'information' passes through various states of representational collapse, all the time. The psychoid-boundary is a fallacy. The clearest example is in 'Superpositioning', that phenomenon of simultaneous informational representation, in many concurrent and contiguous states, regardless of the Ego's awareness or otherwise, of this wider 'Filed' of information. Psycho-biology (Rossi) has demonstrated transduction pathways, for information, in simultaneous and contiguous states, within the human body. The phenomenon of 'hysteria', and psycho-somatic medicine, likewise. But information is not only manifest within the individual, it is 'biopsychosocial' and indeed, beyond even that, both at higher levels of register, and below. (unus mundus). We should not be surprised then to find that Jung's Archetypal-Image vs Archetype-in-Itself, dichotomy, is as false as any other. The image 'is' the archetype, in collapsed representaional form. The Ego, must learn how to use images to access further, and deeper representations of 'consciousness' beyond the subjective Ego-psychology of immediate self referent identity, and immediate experience. One of the first steps is to dis-identify with 'downstream' representations (as these are collective collapsed states) and then work progressively to 'receive' the 'natural' representations that appear from 'within' - that is from other-than, from within the Ego, its Complexes, and Internal Projections. These 'up-stream' representations, are dialectical portals to an increased consciousness. We find them in ourselves, but confirm them, under natural conditions, in the psyche of 'others' (hence some kind of Depth Psychological work - including Psychotherapy, is essential), Alternatively, a deep resonant and engaged process of creativity (in all of its forms, but narrative literature, of an original kind has particular efficacy in this). The 'causes' behind the surface-structure complexity, that confounds Lionel, are to be found at the most elementary levels of organisation of 'telic' (intentional) information (that is of 'consciousness') given the premise that 'information' is the fundamental 'thing' (Informational Monism) of the universe. The ontology of the present 'situation' is then laid bare, onward and upward, in its complexity from Platonic Field, through Darwin and thence into Freud, Adler and Jung. This indicates (represents) the answer to Lionel's dilemma. Superperpositioning, is the key to understanding the unus mundus, of Jung, and the 'intelligence' directing our 'contemporary events'. ru-vid.com0pmw0it73SE?si=Xs1iWw110o-8XdWI @everyone RU-vid Lionel Nation Orchestrated Global Chaos and the Destruction of Humanity
