Kudos to Pobelter for this coaching session. Bro did such a great job explaining everything. I especially like how he tried to draw parallels and find similar things between League and Dota. This must have helped Grubby a lot
for sure, especially because he used to play Dota. I saw the previous video and he did a great job at drawing parallels between games, which should have helped Grubby a lot
Not sure if you picked this up during the game grubby because you seemed confused, this is the "draft" mode you said you did not like. You can do draft pick in both unranked and ranked mode. (this is ranked draft mode)
Why would he not like draft pick? That's confusing because draft pick is an essential part of the game both in unranked and ranked. He has played league for like 2 months and hasn't seen the champ select screen... how... that's very surprising to me.
@@SoloaddsHe's still playing the champs one by one to learn them all. Makes way more sense to do a mode where you choose your champion before queing and where your champion can't get picked or banned if you are going in only wanting to play that one specific champion.
@@Soloadds as he learns champs he has wanted to pre-select which one he'll play and quick queue allows for that. It's not like he doesn't get the concept of draft picking or is unaware of it considering it's default in both hots and dota, he just hadn't seen leagues iteration of it quite yet.
@@Soloadds It's less so that he's against the game mode and more so that there are far more smurfs playing draft pick than quickplay. He wants to play against other new players, not players with 1k+ hours in the game. I believe he played 1 draft game and got absolutely stomped, which has put him off of it.
yeah that is why watching him learn stuff is so engaging. you can tell that he actually *learns* haha. and he is disciplined enough to not fall into terrible habits.
hes literally getting free coaching from pro league players just because hes a streamer. not hard to learn the game when youre being taught from the best 💀
@@jakecoolio1544 bro it doesnt matter if faker himself or NOtail from dota 2 coaches you, if you are dumb asf and cant comprehend simple and basic stuff you will never learn anything. its not hard to learn the basics of a game, whats hard is pinpointing the key points of what makes you good at the game and grubby has caught on to that accurately, he asked stuff that makes you GOOD he rarely asked about common knowledge. ive seen people who were coached by famous coaches but could never absorb whats being taught cause they couldnt understand anything
Man Pobelter is a good teacher, that game was league of legends in a nutshell, everything he struggle to do right was thrown away by his teammates in like 2 plays. lol so frustrating.
After way too many years i found you again! watched you play wc3 in the early days. I watched you as a kid for your gameplay, but now as i am older i watch you for the person. Have a sub ma dude. Good thing you still shine
I enjoy so much seeing Grubby as a very positive player. When he asks how Pobelter feels about the "Surrender button" he immediately comes with his view on the the topic, but when he replies he easily underatnds his motives. Thanks Grubs, you're such a beaon of positivity in gaming community.
this was super fun to watch, really good point there at the end about being death-averse. if you want to look up another mid laner Pekinwoof is a youtuber that does full-game commentaries (former academy player, challenger since it's existed i think) I would love to see you guys do something like this together bc he makes videos of explaining what he's doing while he's doing it in full-games so he's very practiced at it
A lot of content creators like Pekin and Alois mainly upload content from smurf accounts which is IMO pretty pointless. There's about as much to learn watching a challenger player stomp diamond/low master players as there is watching a diamond player stomp in iron/bronze, their opponents make 87 mistakes per second and they simply capitalize on each one completely instinctually, most of the time they don't even realize they're doing something a player in that mmr bracket wouldn't think to do.
@@Nuvizzle Pekin always mentions at what elo he is playing at and shows it to ensure clarity. Grubby is a beginner and Pekin is really good at explaining what is he is doing and why so it's always gonna help him.
very fun and educational, one thing that pob didnt explain is why he didnt play for drake, its simply because thats the jungler's job, u can never outsmite a jungler unless u have an ability that deals 1000+ (jinx or lux ult etc) which is not the case in every game
@@dieptrieu6564 he did not play cho or kalista, he did play with jinx and lux, i was making it easier for him to understand, as long as he gets the idea thats all that matters
@@PsychoticAbood He didn't play lux. And he only played jinx briefly. Using them as example for him is still too bizzare. Just tell him the truth. He can figure it out by himself
it's like 9 or 8 years since I stopped following LoL and it's proffesional scene - but it's sooooo great to know that Pobelter is still such a chill and smart guy!
Watched this one on stream, POB's a great guest, so funny how differently he teaches the game to Alois. Only thing I'd note is that high elo looks a bit different in other regions where games, specially early on, tends to be more about forcing plays and fighting a bit more bloody than here over prio advantages since jungle/mid tend to group up and fight in a lot of matchups early on. NA is known as the most low aggression region of the big ones so if you climb high, you'll see much more chaos in your games. That being said, as long as your fundamentals are stronger than your opponent, playing this type of game will consistently climb you high, specially on control mages.
This also isn't exactly "high elo" (the way it's usually defined in league); Pob definitely has high MMR but watching his bard and caitlyn play it's pretty obvious they've never come close to challenger.
Saw it live on stream, clean game by POB but sadly his team inted a bit too hard! 😆 I'm sure it was good to see for Grubby tho, lots of good positioning and combos/target priority, catching waves on sidelanes, grouping for objectives, playing safe whilst having a bounty, etc.
Super nice to see Grubby witness high elo gameplay! I know he's been putting off watching this kind of content for a while. So, it's cool to see what he notices during the game.
Great Collab! Since I don't know any league player, I liked the chill personality. Probably because I like the way you play and talk Grubby. Nevertheless, league just can't catch me as Dota does. It's different for sure but I like the aspect of working as a team from minute one, being able to rotate and the diversity in which a hero can fulfill a role. I'm not taking about what is harder to play, easier to learn or whatever for everyone who thinks that this comment is meant in a bad way.
I admire your patience to learn such a huge game. I tried to dive into DOTA but I got overwhelmed knowing how much it took me to understand league in the first place.
@@dpad_ Nice mental gymnastics, teammates shouldn't have been caught up in a fight with no objective around to begin with, so yes catching 2 big waves is the right decision.
@@kane-111 i guess for solo queue you have to play 5D chess and anticipate that your team is going to do stupid things. you could argue that pobelter did what was the right thing to do, but perhaps stay with the team could have detered enemy engagement. solo queue psychology is different.
I've never seen a coaching where the coach is playing and the student is watching. Love it. I would play so much worse if I had to explain and discuss things while playing.
Hej grubby, i feel like pekinwoof would be perfect fit for you. His whole channel is about explaining his thoughts and teaching newer or more advanced players. He is also really good, but he really excels in teaching and explaining what he does.
The problem with chat being off is that you kind of have to direct your team in low ELO, because most of them are headless goats jumping around aimlessly. A lot of the high ELO coaches and players haven't actually played below Masters in so many years that they have no idea wtf it's like down there. It's a weird situation tbh, because Pob's not entirely wrong about it. MOST of what people type in this game is vitriol and/or useless, but there's still some value to be had in trying to communicate with your team...and you can always just mute individuals if they respond negatively to communication. (You can mute pings too.)
The biggest difference to league compared to dota to me, is it's more of a battler. That's why you get so many differing opinions cause how you farm, or play out the game matters, but not as much as other mobas. The way people battle it out always mixes up what happens in the game and makes it unpredictable how it will actually play out. Which makes the game more fun to me.
yea, i agree. I always said that League is like pool and Dota is like snooker. League is more straight forward, fast paced and action packed, while Dota is more strategic, much slower and it gives you more options. I mean current Dota map is probably twice as big as League's, so its normal for the players to run into each other less. I still cant decide which game I prefer to be honest
the bounty is centered around gold gained in a certain priod of time, and because is a kill is instant 300 gold(or more) it usually adds to the bounty every kill
Yeah the bounty system is absolute trash, one game i was down 60 cs, 3 kills, 5 assists and 2 levels in the jungle. But we took a good fight and I was able to cash in 2 small bounties, after which i was STILL behind in xp and items, but i now had a 200 bounty because of the gold swinging back to me, which they took so our good team play from behind was nullified and they just beat us with their wallets the rest of the game. It also feels terrible on the other side, if you are doing really well and have this big bounty. You are super strong so you want to go in and fight, but you have to play scared the whole time because giving a bounty once can possibly just loose the game. I understand Riot wanted more come back mechanics but honestly it feels terrible in solo queue. Like why even get ahead if you can just get behind, play for bounty and win anyway
crazy that after watching you when i first got into hots and then picking up league a few years back, you're now playing league :0 guess i can say ive been playing longer than grubby now lolz
A series where different content creators coach you would be fun(especially Baus lul). Nice thing about you being new is that you can get coaching from creators from all elos.
Loving the league content Grubby! Hope you start to grind league more seriously (if it's something you enjoy of course). I wanna see you hit at least Master/GrandMaster and I am 100% sure you can do it, worse players have reached higher ranks in the past, and you absorb information and improve really fast so I am certain you can achieve a much higher rank than you think. For now though, learn the basics of the champions, do some arams to practice teamfighting and dodging skillshots (always in 5v5 scenario facing all different kinds of champions, it will give u a good idea on positioning relative to what champions youre facing, how to safely CS/trade, how to bait out abilities etc). Good luck on this adventure, League is pretty fun if you focus on improving your OWN play and see what you could've done better both when you win and lose games. It may not necessarily have made a big difference in the game but it's really important to fix mistakes, so you can be more consistent over a bigger sample of games. Also, VOD review in this game and watch pro player VODS of champions you play and try and think what their thought process is can be really really helpful. Good luuuck~
He's already said he doesn't want to aim high on ranked because his main game is dota and hes committed to dota because hes learnt so much and hes immortal. I dont think he has the capacity to play two mobas seriously and to high ranks. But we'll see... I think he'll play more casually.
I think Grubby would find the guide by Thebausffs (from a few months ago) pretty interesting, since his approach to the game is different and gives very good insights on how to exploit the bounty system.
How are ppl saying in chat lol laning is more action based than dota? Have you ever played both games? Lane in lol is just farming and controlling wave for pressure, in dota you have constantly the option to tp somewhere else to help, constant fighting for denies, as supports you have also the option to roam, stack camps, fight for objectives like runes, fight for the lotus pool... Laning is extremely dynamic if you're not just playing position 1
Grubby I know you won't even read this, but what Pobelter did was not exactly just being a death-averse gameplay, it's that he did his best to choose which fight is worth dying for to get the most buck for winning the game, rather than just the fight. He chose right for the entirety of this game, it's just that in League of Legends sometimes you also have to pay the price for the macro mistakes of your teammates. You are correct that the game is snowball-y but when you're in the later stages of the game and against evenly-skilled enemies, a good fight or pick is all it takes to just end the game and completely throw your leads out of the window because of death timers, and I'm pretty sure you know how this feels since you do play MOBA other than League. Welcome to League of Legends!
I like that even durring the throw Grubby relates it to dota and shows that its just an every moba sort of thing beyond region and game specific and even still people say "this is specifically a league thing" even here in the comments. Baffling. Random fight for no objective without a full team when a little behind happens in every game. At least it shows you can always comeback in league. The comeback system is a bit too strong if anything.
What Grubby needs to know is @10:00 if you do not go in there and "team fight" you will have at least 2 people flaming you and tilted. And of course if you do go in you maybe trade 2 for 1. If you can manage to ignore all that and then hard carry the tilters? You climb.
League is not passive lol this is just his team getting dunked and hes fed but he also has a bounty and doesnt want to int it he could have caused pure chaos mid game and probably should have done that to win but that doesnt mean its correct.
Will you not continue your new champion discovery series after these coachings? I hope you continue to look at them all as I think it was a fun series and helpful for you. Maybe you could do an A to Z?
I can't believe they lost that game. Baron play was a series of unfortunate events. Jax engaged when everyone was backing away. XZ dashed alone back into the pit for some ungodly reason and almost died. POB had to waste flash and fear on an already low Draven. Unlucky.
Grubby, i wouldnt say that in hots you need to follow sily team decisions. In that case (the same as in that legue game), in hots someone of course must soak and you team must just to not fight, but if your team fight and die that would be the same as in legue. You must just believe your team will not do the sily things, lol. But in hots sometimes better to join the team, but it depends.
you should watch the thebausffs soloqueue guide, it has some very unique stuff in it and some of the weird quirks you seem to appreciate learning about games. you can skip the items/runes part since they're outdated/champion specific, but generally there's a lot of interesting concepts in there. for example he talks about specific features the arcane gold bounty algorithm and how to min/max them, generally a lot of weird econ/tempo stuff that most people never consider. your perspective would be cool because the concepts might actually seem less foreign to you, someone with experience in many games, than the average long-time league player. of course you shouldn't overload on coaching/educational content, so you should spread it out between actual games. also you should do the thebauss video in conjunction with an actual top lane/session (but do not int). PS: lots of "you should"s here. sorry for that, I'm just trying to be concise.
