If you want to learn more about driving to avoid tire wear and temperature check out this video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OURqOGt0bIE.html
What I'm wondering is if there is a setup for the car to make sure your front tyres are working optimally like the rear or is this the fact of the car no matter or just the track overall
Interesting point. I briefly played with camber. But so far. It seems weight distribution will play the biggest part. Expect more videos in the future 👍🏻
As someone who doesn't like a HUD in any racer I like this alot. The only things I have on display are tyer wear , fuel mix, fuel burn and fuel total and brake bias. I honestly haven't touched gt7 in a few months and have been playing a mixture of snowrunner for something relaxing and dirt 2.0 I have been using dash panel for years, gt7 was supported for a short period but they removed it because they where unsure of the legal implications so removed it
Nice video thanks for bringing this app to all our attention, I never heard of it before. Unless Polyphony come out with a statement on the app we can only speculate on its accuracy to Polyphony's programming of tyre wear.
This is going to help a lot with tuning and brake bias so even though more rearward bias helps if you keep to much heat into it we can switch to more forward bias to give better heat dispersion
This is going to be critical information in setting a car up, but as you rightly mentioned, why haven't we got this info in game? Thank you for this, definitely going to try this, will help with a lot of setups especially with the longer races 👍🏁😉
I've had this app for about a month and find it quite useful. The tyre temp display is about the only feature that isn't already available in the game but it allows me to monitor several different things at once. I usually have the app monitoring lap times and tyre temp while the on screen HUD monitors fuel level. I believe the tyre temp display will highlight possible flaws in your suspension setup as well. For example, the front tyres will heat up quicker and hold more heat if you stiffen the front suspension. Softening the rear will create less heat in the rear tyres, etc. This can help you find a more balanced tune that wears the tyres more evenly. Be interesting to experiment on an oval track with different ride heights and stiffness settings between loaded and unloaded sides of the car.
Great video mate.....so interesting to see that data live and as you said why is this not avaliable to the player as some optional advanced hud!! Tbh I'm still annoyed the hud never got updated between GTS and GT7. Looking forward to seeing what you find out with this app.
Thanks Womble. Yeah the lack of HUD update just feels lazy. I have another video where I tested hot/cold/medium tires… either something strange happened with tire temp with the tire wear update or ‘cold tires’ is in my head 🤷🏻♂️
Interesting stuff, especially with the 458 and its front tyres - I used it all last week in Race B at the Redbull Ring - understeer for DAYS!! Found it a real challenge to get it round at corner exit, ended up being a real point and shoot affair.
I’ve read in GTP that GT7 supports a motion rig (even if it’s sorta unofficial). This is big once PD officially implements this (which I know they will).
This is also mostly surface level of the tyre. Usually tyres are modelled with surface and the inside separately, hence you see very fast temperature deltas in short amount of time. This has been done by LFS 20 years ago, I don't doubt it's same in GT7, but that part is also completely hidden even from the app/API itslelf.
Yeah 100% it seems to be a surface temp thing. Oh LFS. I remember spending HOURS playing that. I still think it has the BEST physics engine out there. I might have to revisit it!
@@Doughtinator The physics are not as good as GT7 or in today's sims in general, but the feel of driving is absolutely unrivalled to me. It is bound to get a huge update 'soon'. Soon in LFS terms might mean years (not joking). I still keep tabs with the game, it has a really tight active community and I will jump onto that game again when the update comes.
This data are very useful. I had feeling that the 2/3 first laps, tyres are not at their maximum grip. This informations could explain me why sometimes car brakes and turn better, sometimes no with same driving.
per Nenkai there is a lot data available within the game but not available for us, not sure why PD doesn't reinvent the in game HUD to include all this, the data is there, it will make you understand better why the car feel in certain way... great video mate thanks!
@@Doughtinator yea it make me wonder why they don’t do it? We know for ages that the quali option for lobbies is there just not active, is like what are they waiting?
Here's the thing. Do we know whether the app uses the game data, or if it interprets the data because it doesn't know it? And do we know if it's even accurate, as the theory should be road tires wouldn't get as hot as race tyres and should last excessively longer anyway?!?
Nathan. As I understand it this app simply reads UPD data that the game spits out. I did some races with Sports Soft tires (daily race A this week) and didn’t really get much heat into the tires. It was Monza no chicane so that probably also had an effect too.
@@Doughtinator Right, interesting to know, I have a week off and look forward to breaking out the steering wheel, but maybe I may investigate this app. However, it does go against how I drive - no aids bar TC on 1, and in car with no visual hud, all's in-car. May prove difficult for later endurance races and such, but I'm in it to be the most realistic it can be. Thanks for the reply though, as mentioned, it's interesting that something tagged on to a game can interact with it to provide relevant information that we don't see normally...
This means there is Telemetry data being output either to a server where it can be read or on a port locally that this app reads. Wonder if steering is also output. Could be useful to review with a replay to see where things are going well Ann’s where things could be improved.
@@Doughtinator they offer support for gt sport and gt7. Download on pc or laptop as I did. It connects through wifi. RU-vid has video walk through on how to port the firewall if dont know how. I didnt. Tire temps scale is off. I blame polyphony. Everything works flawlessly. Dashboards, maps, much more. I run a g9 as main screen then a 24in smart TV as my telemetry above it. Works great. Shift lighs too. Id share on discord or RU-vid just got good at that stuff. Haha. I did purchase this pro version on playstore as well.
@@Doughtinator u was messing with this app simdashboard. If you go into edit mode and tap on the tires and hit the edit button on left it opens a menu with the parameters of the tire temps. You can adjust optimal range and overheat range as well. I lowered optimal to 100 degrees overheat to 176 degrees. Gonna do some runs later. See if it changes anything. Hope it'll show tires holding heat like ACC.
@@Doughtinator i def have it dialed in now. The tires heat up and retain heat in optimal temps on sim dashboard. I joined the discord server if want to message more about it. I can send you the parameters I moved the tires to, to make them heat up as should and not cool off so quickly to 32 degrees.
There's no reason to think that front and rear temperature should be the same, a rwd car will always work it's rears harder than the fronts, that's normal. Also there's no reason to think that the app has the tyre temperature window is correct, just because it's showing green doesn't mean the tyres are necessarily giving more grip. It just depends what the arbitrary value that the app developer has chosen is. The app is showing the tyre surface temperature as it's spiking and dropping very quickly, surface temperature is less useful than core temperature as that's the one that is linked to pressure. All in all I wouldn't get too caught up in watching the numbers, laptime and stint time is all that matters in racing.
Interesting. I would have liked GT to have more data available for those of us that want it. I think I've seen track temp before a race before but I get the feeling it's useless info. If I remember Project Cars 2 had some good data. GT7 is lacking in more ways than one sadly.
Pretty neat how this app works. The UI is pretty user friendly too. Only downfall is only being able to use 3 widgets unless you pay for it. At the very least, the free version is useful for tire temp, early wheel spin detection, and brake lock up detection. Not sure it's worth paying for the pro version though, as the rest of the info it provides is also provided by the game. Edit Odd you had to pay to use it with GT7. I am able to use it with any sim listed in the app. It just won't let me use more than 3 widgets without paying for the pro version. Edit 2 (sorry) The rear tires are holding heat better because the car is rear wheel drive. So they are constantly having a force enacted on them. This will change with FF and 4WD cars. Also, they way the tire wear model works since the last update, you bought yourself at least another lap with balanced approach. It doesn't seem like much on the visual chart. Tire fall off is very steep now though. The difference in a drivable or undrivable set of tires is so small percentage wise now, that the tire wear indicator is all but useless near the end of the tires life.
@@Doughtinator Nothing wrong with that. The value in it will be different for everyone after all. I do plan on buying the full pro version eventually. Because it supports so many games. And would be a great way to unclutter the screen. Plus having the tac in bonnet cam in gt7 would also be very useful. The rev bar that's used in that view isn't very practical honestly.
There is a slim frame around the tire wear bars that turns red, when the corresponding tire is overheated.... but only when the car is spun out or some other extreme event.... i don't understand this feature when it isn't being used properly.... Oh and adjusting the tire pressure would be extremely good for saving tires from wear..... but GT doesn't support that....
Fantastic vid Chris. So if this app is correct it should show ideal tire temps or no tire data in time trial right? Its only 1.5 dollars for the GT7 module, will try it out.
Regarding why this info is not available in the game, my guess is - PD doesn't want people to realise GT is not as "real" simulator as PD claims. Or maybe there are many cars where temps are obviously broken.
its funny, i never even look at my hud. when i do 3 laps, and my rear begins to kick out, i swap tires out. if i got fuel, i general go until im less than 1 lap left. i guess this data could be helpful for squeezing every last second, but ultimately, not worth it to me. cool video, tho!
Why we haven't it, in GT7? Sorry Good morning! I play only over PS4, can I used with download? A really nice video I never think over it, but in my mind, why we can't see how hot the tyres are? Thanks for the information!!! I try to use it!!!! 👍👌
@@Doughtinator Yea then it is very bad that they did not include any data on temps then, i don't understand why GT does not have anything anyway, people tune cars based on data and feel, not solely feel.
Yes and no, tire wear, temp and ultimately pressure in GT7 can be adjusted by brake bias front to rear. As l drive with NO ABS and no traction control where brake balance is set front to rear is very important as no 2 (mr, fr) cars are alike. Front engine, mid-engine all play a part in tire performance likewise brake balance has some effect on cornering. 06apr2023.dellthecomputer
Would be interesting to see some tests to understand how (or if) the temperatures affect performance. Stuff like brake distance and max cornering speed with different temps
Bro! Why isn’t this in the game. Like you was getting to. If players want simple settings automatic and regular tire wear models etc that’s fine. Yet if you want advanced manual transmission tire temps etc let us have it!
I’m still trying to test this. So far. It looks like water doesn’t cool the tires. But it does really stop them getting hot. It’s SO hard to generate tire temp when the track is wet 👍🏻
Is it safe to assume this is also true of qualification laps with regards to tire temp and grip? If so, it’s a game changer for me cuz if I mess something up I just restart it right away. But if it does build up heat over time in qualification as well, maybe it’ll be better in the long run if I don’t reset it.
Qualifying is an interesting one. In GT Sport and what it feels like in GT7 when tire wear isn’t enabled tire temps do not have an effect. It’s something I plan to test 👍🏻
Can you verify that this is true telemetry? I would be skeptical of maybe it is just a simulated tire temp, what tires would be if the game had that much detail of tire temp. Hope this question makes sense.
I used it in the daily race qualifying. Though there is no tyre wear, after 10 laps the tyre temperature is becoming a real issue seriously impacting your lap times.
Tyre temperature is literally everywhere - also in every single player race. You start at the temperature assigned to the specific tyres. From then on they can drop in temperature or rise depending on car configuration, tyre position and track temperature. Front tyres on rwd cars usually cool down while rear tyres heat up. You get the drift...
@@Doughtinator I played GT from the PS1 era, and it was always ok game, when I got PS5 and GT7 I tell to myself now is the right time to get a wheel and enjoy the “best racing simulation on console” as they promote themself in that way… omg… what disappointment I had after I start in this game with wheel, lucky we have ac and I can live with that.
I wrote a question before?, but apparently it got deleted? Did I do something wrong?, I asked under another users question, is that not allowed? fondfarewell2 ! Well, I try again 🙃: How do you get those data?, bear with me, I´m kinda old, and knows nothing about android at all, I only use apple, but I would eventually buy a cheap android tablet, or phone, just to get these aditional data 😁 Will any android device do? There is a similar app. In applestore, (dashpanel) but support for GT has been removed, because of "legal grey area"
Sometimes RU-vid comments don’t appear. You did nothing wrong. I also only had apple but unfortunately it’s not available on apple. I did find myself an old Samsung tablet and got it on that. Any device that can use google play apps should be able to get it. Search for Sim Dashboard. 👍🏻
@@Doughtinator allright, thanks, that shouldnt be so difficult to find, but, again, how do you get the data into your device?, cable?, bluetooth, wi-fi? Will the app. Guide me? 🫣
The app tells you. But basically you put in the IP address of your PlayStation into the app. Then the app looks for the data being broadcast from your PlayStation.
