GTA SA - Why Definitive Edition is Garbage? [Part 1] - Feat. BadgerGoodger 

This video is voiced by Badger Goodger. Check out his channel RU-vid channel as well! ru-vid.com ●GTA Trilogy: Take Two's Responses & Patches Coming Soon? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5cebG2CJK6I.html ●GTA: The Definitive Edition - What Happened?! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tdJK0z2q8j0.html

They cancelled the open source project and sued the modders that fixed their games for years for this, let that sink in.

I have to disagree that it looks like a fan made version.... a fan would probably have put in more passion

Crazy how crappy the forests look during storms or "foggy" weather in the remaster. The forests in the original game under these weather conditions were some of the most unintentionally creepy looking areas in gaming simply because of how great the weather effects were implemented in the original games lol.

when you look at these "definitive" editions side by side with original one, you can actually appreciate how much love and time was put in by the original devs. You can imagine one of the devs thinking about a feature not working right while going to sleep and the solution clicked up to them and they wrote in down a paper and fixed it the next day. They actually loved their game instead of just being cash hungry

This ''remaster'' has made me realize how beautiful and well detailed the original game was with it's effects almost 20 years ago

Basically: It there's ANYTHING that looks good in this game, It's only thanks to Unreal Engine.

If I remember correctly, didn't a modding community actually redo the entirety of the DE and it came out a million times better? I think I remember reading about how R* sent cease and desist notices to the modders and ended up taking them to court. When a big name company has to kill off a modding community because that community can take your money grabbing garbage and make it actually better, that should speak volumes.

I couldn't even imagine how good the Open source project would've looked. We have extremely talented modders, but what did they get in return of fixing their games for decades? a freaking lawsuit

I have a feeling this is going to be your most viewed video yet. The effort put into this is amazing. Excellent work!

Its insane to think we can say "At least they tried" for a company as legendary as Rockstar Games

The worst thing about the D.E. wasn't the game itself or its flaws; its the blind supporters. "its a remaster not a remake" "quit living in the past, it looks good" etc.

It's almost ASMR listening to such a smooth masterclass in garbage examination.

It feels like the intro resembles to those of earlier ‘GTA SA - Why Remaster is Garbage’ videos. The history repeated. Great video as always!

I have finished Vice City and San Andreas Definitive Edition walkthrough and I totally agree with this video. Thanks Vadim/Badger. I don't even have a mood to start with GTA 3 Defective Edition.

id like to say that as someone who has modded his gta sa for years, junior djjr is defintiely one of the best modders out there. most of his mods give life to gta sa and adds details that gta sa doesnt have. personally he is on par with people like dk22pac and silent with how they impacted the modding community

The reason cars spawn when you move the camera is because in SA (contrary to VC), the game renders only what the camera looks at; as a result, it spawns cars in the area that wasn't previously rendered because the camera wasn't looking at that direction. This is also a problem in GTAIV, especially in highways. If you look behind you, there is a high chance a car will spawn in front of you.

People standards have became way too low in the gaming community. The fact that anyone finds this acceptable blows my mind. I guess games being complete and functioning at launch is an 'oldschool' thing, and nowadays people enjoy cheap, lazy, and broken games that are sometimes copy and pastes of their predecessors.

Wanted to mention that on day one if you were on English and went to language configurations, the game would list "brazilian" as a language. We don't speak "brazilian" at Brazil, we speak portuguese lol

27:59 finally, the San Andreas Lego set I've always dreamed of

I just don’t understand how it all got worse with more advanced technology now, it was definitely ahead of its time back then, but geez.

No one gonna talk about how they ruined a very cool detail related to the gang war minigame? Now every territory is bright green/yellow/purple meaning you can't differ if a territory is weaker or stronger, because in the original a bright color meant a more dense gang presence and a light color was a weaker one, now everything is the same, very lame.

I would definitely want to mention something no-one seems to bring up; the lack of car smoke to indicate car health. After crashing a few times it's now pure guesswork as to how much health your car has before in engulfs because the smoke sprite is extremely faint!

I think the most unforgivable thing still about The Definitive Trilogy after all of these other issues as well that I have.... It is the complete and utter removal of III, VC, and SA's distinctive style from each other. each of the 3 in the original had their own kind of visual style that helped to set each game apart from one another... and in this release, all 3 games look exactly the same and completely lost their visual style.

This is exactly what gaming community needs in this era. Every other reviewer, youtuber or whatever chooses their words carefully sugarcoating every inch. This is brutal honesty and i loved it.

The people who say this "definitive trilogy" is a "good quality release" had adopted stubborn denial as their coping mechanism to withstand the shock and disappointment of getting ripped off by Rockstar for this.

Some of the most absurd things I've seen in the "Definitive Edition" are Yakuza members in GTA 3 having Diablo gang (enemies of the Yakuza) badges on their clothes and Vagos (a Latin American gang) in GTA SA having Africa map tattoos.

We give GSG a lot of shit for making a lousy product but personally I blame R* for not taking the time to remaster the games themselves. Instead of them doing it, they gave the job to a games studio with a really poor track record and expected them to make the "definitive editions" of some of the most important games of the 21st century, it's wild.

Where is part 2

It's really hard not to feel angry at what they've done with the game, not only the quality of the work, but also the lore, something that's important to the fans. They broke the game's lore with those peds with shirts and non-sense tattoos, GTA V posters, anachronism issues etc. I feel more anger about breaking the lore, as it's not simply "a job poorly done", it's also a disrespectful for all of us. I see the game and it looks like a fanmade game, but not made by fans. Anyone who "but see, this is part of the lore, because it's on GTA Trilogy" I disagree, I don't accept GTA Trilogy as part of the game's lore, GSG is not and didn't know how to get the feel of Rockstar North, I feel sorry for original devs.

You know the definitive edition is great when Vadim spends almost half an hour just talking about how they messed up freakin' weather effects

They used some kind of AI to manage upgrading textures and fonts and it’s trash

I feel like the automatic turnaround could've actually worked, if the distant fog was enabled in all weathers (like it should've been). Imagine flying out endlessly in a straight line only to suddenly come back upon San Andreas from the other side of the map, could've been cool imo

there's a real lack of giving R* their more than fair share of the blame for this whole mess, I'm not gonna act like War Drum did anything amazing with this or the previous port, but I will say that R* is just as guilty for the results of this for not learning their lesson with SA Remastered. Like come on, they saw what this mobile game studio did and then proceeded to act like that was good enough to bring on to port all 3 of these games into a new engine instead of handling it themselves? Actually brain dead

they need to leave gta sa alone, every time they "improve" it they just make it worse

This Definitive Edition Collection is the first game(s) I've bought where I shortly afterwards was like: "Dear God, what have I done? Did I really pay for THIS?" I paid full price for it too on release for about $65 (Xbox One Digital). I still have these original games on PC when I got the bundle of III, VC, SA & GTA4 for, I kid you not, $6-7. So why I even paid so much for this... What was I thinking? Was I high? Who really knows... Love this kind of videos. They are always a treat and so well made! P.S: To everyone and anyone who've created mods for these games for all these years, even though I've never tried any mods, thanks for keeping these games alive! (Yes, this is a really random shoutout.) Please excuse my rambling, that's just me.

Still waiting for part 2

That's why it called a Disaster Edition, they literally ruined everything especially the characters looks cartoon, some details have been removed or broken and they broke the game logic itself.

Grove Street Games already had a great detailed game to start with and remaster but somehow they still managed to screw it up. I still wouldn’t say that is their fault, Rockstar Games is the one who gave the green light to releasing this mess

dont worry guys, the second part will come any day now

I still have hopes for part two! Hopefully it’ll happen soon!

This is the result of bad Software Engineering. Simply put. Bad Risk Assessment, bad evaluation of functional (functionality, features) and non-functional (performance, reliability) requirements, bad design (or lack thereof?) in certain cases. This isn't a work of amateurs, this screams like the work of people who pretty much do not know anything about software development, it's like they don't know what they are doing AT ALL. It's almost as if a bunch of people who "know" how to code, art, debug, test, whatever came together and decided to start a studio... just cause, but lacking critical skills that are REALLY important in development processes.

The character designs of the _GTA Definitive Edition_ looks like that one from that animated GTA Coca Cola commercial.

Cj look like a donut,Kendl has not lay off the skin peeling,Sweet has broken neck and Smoke is now a rabbit

it baffles me that to this day you can still see the occasional person or two defending it and saying its fine...

It's honestly insane the attention to detail and love they had for the original San Andreas. They literally thought of everything. Even stuff you might never notice... It almost seems magical that they were doing stuff like separate weathers for each city all the way back on PS2. I think PS2 was the most revolutionary console ever. And the biggest leap from generation to generation.

GOD HOW MUCH I'VE WAITED FOR THIS

I was in awe at the botched work and the massive amount of info and detail you've showed throughout this video. Thank you for such a HUGE comparison.

still waiting for part 2

Remember the times when gamedevs had to test each aspect of their games before release? Because patching literally meant issuing a recall for thousands of copies? Yeah, those days are forever gone now.

About some of the weird effects: The flickering and pixelated effects are actually a somewhat recurring problem. I believe the game renders volumetric lighting effects (such as clouds, fog and lightrays) using a 3D voxelized lightmap. These things are pretty hard to process, due to the sheer amount of data points in a lightmap like this, the resolution is lowered compared to the output, and generally the resolution also decreases as the distance from the camera increases (this is called a cascading voxelmap). This causes some of the jagged edges around lights, since there's small computational errors when calculating the lights. You can even spot this in RDR2, if you look closely! The clouds meanwhile... I'm guessing the game over-aggressively tries to cull voxels which aren't deemed to be visible? It looks like it hides a part of the voxel, if a polygon intersects more than 50% of one, which obviously leads to issues since now there's a hole nearly half the size of a voxel. Whoops. The ghosting is a side-effect of something called "temporal anti-aliasing," I think... It's a technique where the game uses image data from previous frames to filter the image and repair jagged edges and also make the image appear higher resolution. Since it samples several frames, if something changes between those frames, it tends to leave some ghostly afterimages behind.

I never noticed how square shaped was the landmass until that shot in the jet and full map on display

0:00 Intro 2:58 Weather 10:54 fog 15:59 Background 19:31 Map 25:00 Conclusion ?🤔 (nope) 27:52 Peds 28:49 Reflects 31:24 End

Vadim M + BadgerGoodger = perfection his voice is soooo good to do the narrator! great video as always 💪🏻 i was waiting so much this video about the Definitive Edition, it's embarrassing and disrispectful seeing the poor effort and laziness by Grove Street Games honestly

What did we learn? Let's not let ourselves be blinded by the shader and see what mediocre phone studio was in charge by the stinginess of Rockstar Games xD

20:20 - borders were even in original game, but barely seen - you had to carefully watch waves on water and you might notice how waves behind borders were out of sync with square inside.

Great video man! The dry humour exposing the 'talented hardworking professionals' was simply perfect!

I love the trashing of grovestreetgames. They 100% deserved it. What they did to this classic game is unforgivable.

Years after the ‘Silent Hill HD’ remakes and the criticism of them the gaming industry has learnt very little.

Great video as usual ❤ really detailed, and we can see the effort and love put into this informative video. Also, I've noticed that they decreased the difficulty of missions. The missions became ridiculously easy. And the automatic saving system they implemented kinda sucked..

17:32 Oh my god, i just realized that the LOD-Fog makes the map feel so much bigger!

Good timing uploading this after Rockshit announced that GTA+ garbage. Never forget that they cracked down on mods and removed the groundbreaking originals for this fucking travesty.

Thank you for clarifying that GSG are not the ones to thank for the eye candy effects as they're just provided by the engine. I keep telling people that too.

by the time part 2 comes out i am going to have to rewatch this whole video to remember what it was about.

Can't wait for pt. 2 !

As you mentioned the broken Carl model in remastered version, I'll like to hear you talk about it in this version too. Carl's model is even more broken in definitive than in remastered, insane

18:48 Ah yes , Hidden Interiors Universe, one of the greatest mysteries of San Andreas.. The game had so well coding in original version to run it at the PS2 hardware , which wasn't very good compared to PC or Xbox at that time , so they had to make a big map , without too many loading screens but also extremely detailed.. Making interiors seperate was a really well though idea..

Excellent video BadgerGoodger 😉 When will the second part of the errors of this "definitive" edition be uploaded?I think they missed mentioning the animation and sound effect errors, which were pretty bad in this edition.

One of the things I miss about in the original is that at night if you look at the stars some will form an R letter referencing rockstar games and you can change the moonsize with a sniper but both are completely gone in the definitive edition

I would love for Vadim to do a video on all the stuff left in the game files at launch. From what I hear, the Switch version was an absolute Gold Mine for beta hunters.

It's sad to see that many people since the beginning defended this "Defective Edition". Saying that problems don't affect normal gameplay, and even outright calling us people "liars". They say we're blinded by nostalgia. Well, we can say the same to them, blinded by them "shiny graphics".

I'm maybe old school, but i will stay with my PS2 version.

29:20 I remember this video breaking down the cutscene where Patricia smacks Trevor for sniffing gas, it showed all possible angles and trickery. During the cutscene, you don't notice anything, but the lighting is constantly changing depending on which camera angle the cutscene uses. I. E. When the camera switches between Michael and Trevor, they both look appropiately lit, but in reality, trevor became unlit the moment the camera switched with Michael, and vice versa. Now, knowing that Rockstar painstakingly took time to make sure every scene was illuminated correctly for each character, these barely visible cutscenes are a disgrace.

pure proof that the original version of EVERY gta will ALWAYS be the best.

They should refund everyone, pull the "game" off of stores, restore the original version and dissolve Grove Street Games. This is the only way to go.

I think they tried to do all 3 games at once and that’s what caused a lot of this, they should of released each at a time and took care of each one with love, we would of been willing to play each one and would appreciate the effort a lot more. Halo did something like that not too long ago.

Can't wait for Rockstar to hire Grove Street Games to remaster GTA 5 in 6 years.

Calling it water is an insult to actual water... it's more like sludge. Other than that I wholly agree that UE4 does fantastic things, if only they bothered actually tweaking values. That AO is plain awful!

Yeah! And a GTA 6 trailer, despite being exciting as hell, does NOT for a second excuse this excuse for a “remaster”! >:(

It’s been a year and a half….where is part 2?

With how many problems the remaster has I bet this will be like 15 parts.

Michael “You know rockstar the way I see it and hey I’m no intelligent business like you but the way I see there are two great evils that bedevil The gaming industry of the type that you practice.” “Number 1 is outsourcing you paid a amateur mobile game studio to make a project above and beyond and then you blamed that company when they failed because you thought you were big enough and bad enough that you didn’t have to play by the rules oh number two is milking a 9 year old game.” Trevor “milking?” Michael “oh it’s horrible you wouldn’t want to be used for 9+ years just because of a online mode” Trevor “oh absolutely not.” Franklin” oh hell no I ain’t into that.” Michael “no but we see rockstar what the problems are keep your tactics out of the gaming industry.” Trevor “and when he puts it like that it makes sense.” Michael “ course it does hey rockstar good bye my old friend thanks for all the good memories.” Trevor “see ya.” Franklin “bye bye.”

A lot of the reflection issues are related to the implementation of screen space reflections. It can be mitigated but the stuff like the muzzleflash reflecting on windows is hard to correct.

Foggy distance objects are actually a real thing. Is called Atmospheric perspective or aerial perspective. This is the effect the atmosphere has on the appearance of objects viewed from a distance. As the distance between an object and a viewer increases, the contrast between the object and its background decreases, and the contrast of any markings or details within the object also decreases. The colors of the object also become less saturated and shift towards the background color, which is usually blue or another bluish cool color.

It’s really quite sad how the definitive edition is now used to show how just much better the original trilogy is and that a “Definitive Edition” was never really needed. This video greatly showcases the differences of when a company cares about their products vs when they’re just looking for a cash grab. I really looked forward to seeing how these games would look and perform on much newer hardware and graphics engines yet what we have is a product that looks better and gets out performed by 20+ year old hardware. When RockStar puts love and care into their products they’re one of the best in the gaming industry. Unfortunately that RockStar is the original and the RockStar we have today is the Definitive Edition.

14:03 Grandma has jiggle physics.

This remake is at the image of today's society. It looks exceptional at first glance but once you dig in a little you realize how empty, mediocre, chaotic this is... aaand that things were much better 20 years ago...

15:06 that weather scares me

it feels like christmas when vadim uploads with badger talking. thank you for your hard work and amazing editing.

Good video, as someone who uses unreal engine for work it's actually painful to see the amount of people that think the remaster has had a lot of work done for it, can't wait for part 352 :)

Still waiting on the part 2

I'm looking at the water in this release... And... I was absolutely convinced that water looking like a blue oil spill was an artefact of mid-2000s when they were still figuring out how to do proper water effects... Guess I was wrong.

This makes you really appreciate all the work that was put into the original release by Rockstar back in the day, especially considering the limited resources of that time. Now, with modern hard- and software and more money they could ever spend they couldn't be bothered to release a product which is even working properly.

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned anywhere yet, but in the DE, many of the rocks in the desert have glitchy collision. This can cause you to either go inside of the rock or stand in midair. There are also a few rocks that allow you to fall under the map, including at least THREE that let you re-enter Area 69's interior. This isn't a problem in the older versions because they either used much smaller rocks or didn't have any at all depending on the port.

Excellent channel, and great stuff again badger.. I got definitive edition, and the 'xbox 360 remaster' and always go back to original ps2, or original xbox version. 👏🏻👍🏻🎮

Hey Vadim & Badger, In the original release of San Andreas the lighting in most buildings would change depending on the time of day to show it was light or dark out where as the remaster locks in to day at all times

The original ps2 version had a sort of orange spike Lee style filter that made everything look beautiful and matched that 90s socal aesthetic so well. I will always be shocked and puzzled that they got rid of it even wayyy back in the day with the PC port! Same for original Xbox. To this day, I know I’m looking at the true version when I see the orange haze

Huge problem I have with SA DE that many don't talk about is how each city has the same weather pattern and skybox making everywhere have the same atmosphere. In the original, San fierro and the countryside rained a lot and had a cold skybox and blue cold tint to the place. Where as LS and LV was often sunny and had a orange tint to it. The atmosphere and art style of the open world has been butchered. Glad you've covered this aspect.

This is so sad, the weather being ruined was the saddest part for me and also the render distances

The funniest thing is that GSG demands you have a banchelor degree, strong debugging skills and 100% fluency in C++ to even ask for a job there, not to mention they also ask you have strong skills with other game engines like UE, Unity, etc. Lmao, I would never want to have in my resume those Defective Editions as projects