Right? Check these water effects, check these strange funky faces and how everything glitches like shit to the pit of hell. Who needs more features when you can have the super cool bugs and everything so clean and shit and wax dolls everywhere. Super cool! Yea!
It's official! All games titled "Definitive Edition" are bad games. For now on, whenever any developer announce "Definitive edition" of their games, they're automatically being to be bad. People hate all remasters, they hate Sleeping Dogs: The Definitive Edition, Mafia:: The Definitive Edition and any games titled "The Definitive Edition". Remasters suck, remakes are better.
@@automation7295 I mean there are some really good ones out there aswell like the spyro remasters , the resident evil remasters , final fantasy remasters , Tom raider remasters was also cool and mafia the definitive was also a good remake not remaster but I just wanted to put that one out there
The fact that Rockstar didn't give these iconic games the REMAKE treatment but instead chose to outsource these remasters to a Dev that didn't do a great job with mobile ports to begin with, says alot about how much they actually care
I would have even love if they remastered it themselves i warned my friend about it specially for the switch cause I know trash and groove street game is just that trash
Either Rockstar should’ve done either of 4 things: A. They should’ve remastered these games on their own B. They should’ve chipped in more developers to increase the team size creating less of a hassle with the small size of Grove Street Games C. They should have given Grove Street Games more time for development so that more bugs could’ve been fixed and more When you think about it, I bet Grove Street Games would’ve wanted to create at least a decent remaster for them, but the microscopic team size, tight development window and little experience or resources just overtook the quality of their work
@@Itsscottstudios I could care less about the reasons why they turned out so bad. GTA V (and gta as a franchise) is the highest grossing entertainment product of all time. They could've done remasters for gta 3 and vc But GTA SA definitely deserved a ground up remake, on the same level as Resident Evil 4 and Dead Space remakes.
@@michazmuda1477 And because they're also made to be easily ported to mobile. Actually I might consider checking them next year, maybe the mobile versions will be better, since they're clearly intended for that more than anything else
@user one reason. Take 2 Interactive. Rockstar North/Leeds should do this, instead hiring 20+ people studio, that did mobile ports and buggy SA Remaster from 2014 year. Check Vadim M channel.
I don’t know to be honest I feel like there’s a lot of excuses and maybe even reasons as to why definitive edition absolutely bombed lol For one: it was a team of mobile devs who I don’t think thought rockstar would choose THEM out of ALL the people they could’ve chosen they chose literal mobile devs to remake 3 legendary games, compared to modders who must definitely have experienced with making actual games not just crappy mobile ports
@@plexyglass429 mobile games developers has no capability to fulfill the expectation of AAA games. They are not bad developers per se and probably able to make great but smaller games. But, due to the lack of resources and experiences that they got compared to actual big developers.
@@plexyglass429 You don't demand of primary school teachers that they should be capable of teaching college students, so why would it be different here?
It feels like rockstar is done making games after rdr2. Especially after Dan Houser left. They just want to milk gta 5 and outsource small projects for fast paychecks.
@@mustafakemalyerer4528 And that's precissely why your comment doesn't make sense, it's just a REMASTER, not an actual new game, you just can't make full judgements on the company based on that, as if this was the first time some random company made a shitty remaster instead of themselves (Cough, cough, Xbox 360 GTA SA port), whether the Definitive Edition is their work or not, that doesn't have anything to do with the probability of them releasing a new game, say, GTA VI, we simply don't know sh*t of what happens at R*, and the fact that you're already making conclussions is just dumb, people was saying the same of R* before RDR2, and they ended up releasing it in 2018. Shut up.
@@youmakenosense7437 Shut up? You are the one replying to the comment. And I guess you're missing the point or just deliberately choosing not to believe that R* is still the one making the calls to hire a company to make a remaster. They had all the time and money to make a remaster or even a full remake of these games themselves, but chose not to. I really do hope that it's because they're working on something else, but I highly doubt it.
It's just like how in the game, it turned out the real villain was your fellow Grove Street homie, Big Smoke! It's all a subtle homage to that betrayal! Or they're just not good developers. One or the other.
Rockstat went down a dangerous slope starting at 2013 when they stopped releasing content in gta5 and implemented in game microtransactions. Since then anything they did regarding gtas was pure and utter garbage...
@@mcdonseggfart7070 I agree with you fully. I havent ever even paid for a skin in any game. Studies prove, that developers make most money off of 3% of people spending crazy amounts of money. The point being that as long as rockstar makes enough money from selling gta5 in one way or another there is absolutely no reason for them to release good new content. I mean look at the remakes they just released. They outsourced it to some developers which until now only made app adaptations of other games and it shows…
@@littleturtle4363 . That is true, but OP was talking about Rockstar North as they handle GTA. Rockstar San Diego handles Red Dead Redemption. So the last game that R* North released was Gta V and so they have had more than enough time to have remade these games from the ground up and made them to be in the style of Gta V with graphics, physics, engine, etc. Next year, Gta V will be turning 10 years old. This release was a disgrace and I'm scratching my head wondering why this project was outsourced to a team of 20 people and they were rushed on top of that. I just don't really get it, especially since Take Two owns both 2K and Rockstar and they oversaw the completion of the Mafia Remake and the praise it got.
I'm convinced that remastering the old games could have worked. It's just Rockstar outsourced the project to a studio that really wasn't cut out for the job. Modders have already fixed a lot of the bugs that are present in these remasters, like the awful rain. What i think Rockstar should have done is assign each of the remasters to one of their own studios and released each of them individually to commemorate each game's 20th anniversary. It was bound to be a disaster having all three games remastered at the same time by a small outsourced studio and releasing them together.
Yeah if modders can do an excellent job, Rockstar should be able to better. Look at how Blizzard remastered D2. The server issues were a big problem, but the game itself was well made that actually looks like a lot of time and effort went into it. They made a 3D engine run on top of the original 2D engine meaning they had to rebuild the entire world into the 3D engine, but they were able to do it excellently. And they still considered it a remaster instead of a remake even after all that. Rockstar used a new 3D engine instead of just adding better textures on the old engine, so it basically pretty much a remake especially with the new targeting scheme for some weapons. But ended up like crap because it was a cash grab.
@@sepg5084 IMHO, the shooting and driving mechanics did need to be modernized. But Grove Street Games ended up doing a terrible job in that area too. Players can only run and shoot with certain weapons, like pistols and SMGs. And cars seem to be a lot more fragile now, and they seem to always explode before the player can even bail out. I didn't expect or want the remasters to have graphics like GTA V or RDR 2. But visually they should have been on par with GTA IV on the PS3 and Xbox 360.
Exactly! Everyone going on at rockstar like they are terrible and talking about them like they are rubbish at their jobs. Forgetting this is the same company that have made the likes of red dead 2 and are known for EXCEPTIONAL quality and are legendary for their quality above most if not all other games in the specific genre. The problem here is rockstars inability to make a quality remake. It's the fact they are lazy and Palmed it off to an inexperienced and damn right shoddy side company who already made terrible versions of the games for the mobile ports. Yet again made an embarrassment of the so called "definitive edition" I genuinely believe if rockstar wasn't lazy and put their time, efforts and abilities themselves into remastering/remaking the trilogy I truly believe it was would have phenomenal and beautiful. Unfortunately we never got that and I'm VERY disappointed. I don't think they care enough to spend the time to do it themselves considering I'm assuming they are busy developing gta 6 and other projects. I believe they need to seriously consider severing ties to grove street games. They are pretty terrible if I'm honest. And on two seperate times now at different years they have made rockstar a laughing stock and brought avalanches of criticisms to rockstar for the poor development from grove street games. If they have the desire to remake or remaster any of their other games in the future I believe 1. They need to avoid grove street games at all costs and 2. If they decided to remaster on't he future they need to put their own work into it themselves and not rely on another inferior company clearly out of their depth. Either that or don't decide to remaster a game in the first place.
@@jaycuthbert245 I know there are probably people out there who'd disagree with me, but i think the only thing Rockstar truly cares about at this point is GTA Online. They're re-releasing it again on next gen consoles, which means there will probably be more expansions that take advantage of next gen hardware. I think GTA 6 is probably in development hell at this point, and i doubt it'll see the light of day until literally everyone either gets tired of GTA Online or Rockstar decides they've taken it as far as it can go. Basically Rockstar should not remaster anymore of their old games unless they're willing to devote the time and resources to do it properly. What's the point of remastering a game if it ends up having more bugs than the original?
Well, they actually made mobile ports for games like ARK: Survival Evolved. Unreal Engine's the only Engine they actually know how to use. It's really, really strange that they paid those people to do this.
@@michazmuda1477 . Yeah and we were all expecting that to happen considering that GSG/War Drum screwed up the 10th anniversary of San Andreas for 360/Ps3. Also this was a huge undertaking and so I can't really blame the devs here. I don't think they are perfect, Far from it, but how can 23 people fully remaster three giant games like this ? Rockstar should have handled this. Their stocks tanked lol
@@michazmuda1477 modders already remade these cities in Rockstar's own RAGE engine, which was miles better than Unreal. Then the corporate Nazis at take two sued them out of existence. Imagine how good they'd be if they were ported in house, man. What a damn shame we'll never see that.
Toys for Bob did such a great job on the Spyro and Crash trilogies and for a smaller price! They had to build the code and animate cutscenes... sure there was some bugs, but man... GTA trilogy is just defective. So much stuff is broken...
I play a heavily modded version of GTA SA with HD graphics and extra features for the UI and cars. Then I played the definitive edition and started wondering: how can a modded version can not only look better but also be played better than a "remaster" that is almost 20 years apart from it.
@Tozxo No, the animations was there to actually get rid of clipping. Fat CJ before placed his hands and weapons further away from his belly. Same with the muscular CJ
@@sensacionsombria5125 also the game still has the same constant problems as the mobile port. You eventually lose the ability to receive compliments in the game some where in the las venturas part of the story.
I am so happy I was able to play these games when they originally came out... When I was 13 and on the way to school, some older guy at the bus station wanted to change games (all I had was Simpsons Road Rage lol) and he offered me GTA3... having not even heard of the existence of this game, I was so excited to get Gran Turismo 3, which I knew from the demo disc of my PS2 xD but then, the moment of truth... I don't know if anyone today can imagine this amazing feeling of walking in an Open World - with seemlessly endless possibilities - for the very first time! People today just grow up with this stuff, but I was completely mindblown back in 2003! I feel sorry for everyone having to play these cheesy remasters.
I will never forget the first time I played GTA 3 back on christmas 2001. The first time I took control of Claude and jumped into that blue kuruma to drive down the slope of the Callahan Bridge into Portland Liberty City. My mouth was agape and I was completely blown away. A feeling like nothing else!
This trilogy is just really good advertising towards Mafia definitive edition. People kept mentioning how this should've been a remake like Mafia and damn I'm happy I got it. It's a great game and shows what a company that gives a shit can do to an old game.
Mafia definitive edition was butchered as well. There are MANY missing details comparted to a game that came out in 2002 & they botched the story & characters. Tommy is an unlikable prick for one. It's pathetic in some ways & just downright disrespectful in others.
I don’t have much expectations for anything going forward with Rockstar. Them becoming afraid of controversy and being downright incompetent is really worrying. I’ll be extremely cautious with GTA 6 - if it ever happens lmao.
You may not remember it strange man, but couple of months ago, we were discussing the definitive edition. I was all gloomy, expecting the worst, even commenting that when you expect bad things, you either get positively surprised or right. Meanwhile you were really pumped up, positive. I'll let you in on a little something - I didn't want to admit it, but I desperately wanted me to be proven wrong, and you right. I desperately wanted you to have your wish. Guess it wasn't meant to be.
Listening to the development progress it’s pretty clear what’s happening. They’re sending devs down to party in Florida for “research” take two has complete control over rockstar at this point. My guess is they haven’t let the team do anything but make another gta 5 in vice city. In retaliation some mad lad head dev probably convinced them a vacation in Florida would be necessary for that. The rockstar that were free to do whatever they wanted are dead. In there place is a bunch of devs who signed on to be a part of that rockstar but are all just bitterly making more of the same for the cash cow that is gta online and there stockholder overlords
The fact that REMASTERS, not remakes, of 20 year old games needed a performance mode and a fidelity mode should’ve told you everything you needed to know
The PSP games are really underrated and it's really impressive how they crammed what's basically two GTA reboots/prequels into the PSP, and also made GTACW and Advance (which are kinda impressive too)
6:14 You know badger, you’re right! You remember me? The inde developer? Project pressure has been halted for a while due to a lack of budget and needing more time to fletch out the story and gameplay elements. However this does give me the oppertunity to work on a different project for now… and yes, I am working on the vice city remake. Models, animations and textures will all be completely redone with several car and models already done. I even have a new updated and improved with animations. I’m certainly are aware of the risks and the fact that rockstar will come after me with all the legal power they’ve got. However it’s a risk I’m willing to take for everyone who loves this games and knows it deserves a good remake. If you’re interested: I’m almost done with the opening scene in Marcos bistro. It already looks absolutely incredible with ray traced lighting and the complete interior redone with all the props. If you’d like I could send you an early render of this once I’m finished.
I have played Vice City on stream and I'm working on San Andreas and I can tell you for a fact it isn't just that Grove Street were rushed, it's that they are completely incompetent and make very basic mistakes like having sounds spawn at the camera so everything is max volume right in your ear. I had a university student in audience pointing out various rookie errors he has personally made in his first year of study as a level designer. This is why modders have been able to go in an fix bugs by day 3, these appear to be very basic mistakes made by programmers who have no familiarity with the engine at all.
The worst actually is: in all 3 games the cars have no taillights (only brake lights), that’s especially noticeable at night. How come nobody noticed that at GS Games? 🤦♂️
*Request to Rockstar for GTA Trilogy Definitive Edition* *Missing Features or Bugs that should be added back or resolved to the Game!* Where is the missing GTA 5 Shooting mechanics that was promised? Claude and Tommy's shooting mechanics are missing from GTA 5, such as strafing left and right while standing, no crouching and shooting. You cannot roll while crouching. It is also impossible to get behind cars and so on for anybody. GTA 5 shooting mechanics missing. Fix Model Multi Colored Texture Bugs and crashes. Improve CJ Model and other prominent NPCs. CJ clothing textures need to be improved. Improved Lighting in 24/7, 69$ Shops and Save Houses. Reinstate missing Songs. They have the funds to re-purchase the rights if artists are willing. Bring back PS2 Controls for all Minigames. A bridge in flint county by Angel Pine has a disappearing texture. San Andreas menu sounds are present in all 3 games, not the corresponding sounds to each game. Some of the Apartments and Trailers in the country towns have very dark distorted low textures. Add the original PS2 Blurry Ground Heat Wave back to San Andreas. (Blurry Mirage over roads, sidewalks and grounds) Add back Music to Casinos and Strip Clubs (Right Now it is silence) Remove snoring sounds from majority of Safe Houses (It sounds like your robbing a Home) Add San Andreas Orange Tint back to Evening Dusk. Fix and raise resolution on Cranes in Far East Liberty City Ports. (Cranes are very low resolution and clip builds when rotating} Bring back 2 Player Co-op to San Andreas. Bring back Cinematic Camera for all 3 games and bring back top down camera to GTA3. Add more time out vehicles before it explodes after it gets knocked over. (Time was cut shorter for Definitive Edition) Some of the Apartments and Trailers in the country towns have very dark distorted low textures. (Some buildings have not seen any updates) Rocks, cliffs and ledges around water are low textures. (Should be updated like the rest of the textures) Rain needs to be transparent and louder. Rain Drops not making contact with water. (Rain is missing sound in GTA 3 Liberty City in most areas) GTA 3 Vehicles need greater overall health. They get blown up way easier than the original game. Vice City vehicles in the rain need a handling buff. Its worse than the original version. Swimming needs a small speed boost. Add back original Aircraft (Planes, Helicopters, Amphibious Assault and Jetpack) PS2 flying handling physics. (They handle terrible now) Jetpacks using Modern Alt controls do not fly straight, as they sway constantly to the right. (Handling is also horrible) GTA 3 Claude is missing a lot of his subtle animations reacting to the environment. Also, GTA 3 is missing the wind and seagull sound effects at the docks. Bring back PS2 Controls for all Minigames. (New controls for most minigames from lifting weights to pool is a downgrade) Restore reflective paint jobs to GTA 3 vehicles. Improve Framerate on Nintendo Switch. Hear other NPC vehicles radio passing by player (This was in the original games) *Requested Features and Quality of Life editions.* Option to toggle Fog On and Off to hide Map size. Add San Andreas CJ Shooting mechanics to Vice City and Liberty City (Strafing Left and Right while standing, Crouch and Rolling) Let all weapons in GTA 3 and Vice City have 3rd Person view option. Implement Story Mode Replay Missions option. (With all current weapons) Users should be able to select separate controls for Foot, Flight, and Vehicles. Missions need multiple checkpoints within a mission. Option to make asphalt Roads either Black, Grey or Dark Grey like GTA 3. (They look very washed out) The San Andreas Balaclava mask looks plastic and weird.(It should have a cloth texture like the original game)
But what about those people, who say that the games look magnificent.... that they had encountered just a few bugs and think that the Trilogy worth every cent. Do they lie?
I don't think they lie but some people lack the experience to identify bugs and think that they are intended, maybe even think that some things are eastereggs (like in the past with R* games) or brush them off as "These bugs were there in the original too!". Most gamers aren't deep into gaming development and just don't even know what bugs are. To some only gamebreaking bugs are bugs. And then there are people that find these things funny. But some people blatantly lie or are just ignorant. Just like these people that said they played Cyberpunk for 100 hours and never had issues and a stable performance... There are people that even are okay with 30fps, stutter and dips to 20 fps. Some people have very low standards.
I don’t think they were worth every cent. But I am having fun, I think the games could at some point be worth $30-40, but I’m making the best of what I paid for. I really enjoyed replaying III and Now I’m playing SA and plan to get 100% for the first time. I think it’s fine to point out the flaws because this bullshit needs fixed, but attacking people enjoying the game isn’t the way my man. I say that as someone who enjoys your content.
They don't, but they are certainly optimists. The games look far from "magnificient". Sure they are more beautiful than ever, and bugs and glitches will not vastly appear if you don't look for them. But some of the changes they did, some of the nitpicks like CJ's running animation, San Andreas' minigames and Vice City's water splashes and gun aiming could be improved by a mile. Now, FYI, I did like all the character models while it's one of the main points of criticism, for example
I have relatives reaching the age where they can play GTA. I wanted them to try out the PS2-era games before jumping straight into something like GTA 5. When this remaster was announced, I thought it'd be a great way for them to experience the originals without the games feeling extremely dated, but after what I've seen of these games, I think I'll just stick with having them try the PS2 versions.
Everyone: Hey Rockstar, what made you guys flip out like that? Was it the microtransactions, or what? Rock$tar Game$: We got caught up in the money... The power...
Rock$star Game$: I have no choice I had to do it, I just seen the opportunity of making money from shark cards and screwing red dead, expanded and enhanced and the trilogy. Oh when our company gone they will remember our company rockstar games.
@@jbiehlable the events of San Andreas? You mean the game? It wasn't out in 1994. They around the same time as the greatest seriel killer ever Hannibal Lectur was caught. Like what you saying a fictional world was based 2 years near the bands disbandment. They disbanded 5 years before Harry Potter killed Voldemort, oh wait Harry Potter isn't real.
@@robertharper3114 its not their fault. Their like 20 people their and they specialize in ports. Its rockstars fault cause they saw all the buzz people were making about modders improving the game and they decided ti make a cash grab
Nah vice city looking pretty crusty and dusty sadly, no modders can fix that dated and clunky handling and animations and make the engine cope with higher poly buildings that don't look generic or massively out of scale, what gsg did with such small team and limited time and resources is very impressive
Allegedly, all the "new" models are just the old original ones with a simple automatic surface smoothing tool applied in Blender, with no adjustments or optimisation made at all.
Yeah the game files were shipped off to India to be rendered in an AI as a mass execute batch command and then shipped back. They literally just set the AI up then left it run and kicked back and left it to run its thing.
cars and guns are modelled pretty well. other props are replaced with GTA IV and GTA V models. but yes, they used a mix of AI and hand done remastering.
Some of the models like Tommy had more work done to him after being put through the upscaler. They didn't have time to do everyone though so they just left it. It looks fine, really doesn't look like absolute shit at all.
I have no plans on playing the definitive editions. I've actually never played the originals so I'm starting there. And since they aren't available anywhere I don't feel guilty for emulating them.
Rockstar said they are going to re-release the original games on the launcher a while later, apparently they thought people don't want it anymore because of the remaster, but turns out we need the original back
I wish he mentioned how you can't see NPC health anymore in San Andreas due to the glowing aura replacing the colored arrow, and how driving slowly with an analog controller there is no engine sound, only when you hit full gas.
Rockstar and Take 2 happened. When money and stock performance is the only priority with most of the actual talent already out the door, minimum effort minimum cost reheated old crap re released at full price is exactly what you can expect.
@@mike04574 you can't "just pirate" a working version of the whole trilogy anymore. Why you would think that would be available for ever is beyond me. This is why there was a huge request for DRM-free releases back in the day. hint GTAIII has DRM still. And the DRM for Rockstar and Blizzard is even worse now with people requiring to log in to an online service in order to play single player.
OMG DUDE. I can't believe you thought it looked like Simpsons Hit and Run too! Literally as I was playing it I said that out loud and my uncle was thinking it too. Crazy
They do though, they care SO much about using and squeezing profits out of old games that they had nothing to do with creating or developing, and care SO much about suing modders doing the jobs they should be doing, and care SO much about removing sales of the original games to flog their junkpiles. They just don't care one bit about their loyal fans who pay their enormous wages or the incredible classic games they've been honored enough to take over ownership of when getting their executive jobs at Rockstar. These people are nothing to do with the teams that created games like San Andreas, they're a totally different gang of sales people and executives who took over the company and are using these great old games for quick and easy profits.
Despite GTA 5 being on the same consoles as these remasters and having a massive draw distance that game also had a smidge of fog to make the map have a certain atmosphere and to give it a realistic feel. So yeah the fog wasn’t always used to cover up poor draw distances it was also to create a atmosphere which these remasters sorely lack.
idk why but i prefer gta 5 graphics over this,it had everything to make the game look good,especially the fog,i play gta 5 in x360 since i cant afford to buy a new gen console and the graphics are alr imo
I'd actually prefer if they just launched this on. The switch and left the originals be of this was what they meant by definitive edition. I'm glad I grabbed the originals for PC a few years ago
No birds, no sounds by the sea, no litter and leaves on the streets that interacted with traffic in original (sic!), Tommy doesn´t interact with the world around him (looking at NPCs or beeping cars), no middle finger, floating textures, floating NPCs, NPCs sunk in asphalt, run through fences, fences do not interact contact? Defective Edition is buggy as hell and has waaaay less features and attributes than original. How come? Is this the definition of polished turd?
Exactly what I was thinking. Yeah the lighting and shadows look really nice, but it just looks like any other bland and unimaginative game. Everybody's upset with bugs and such but I'm mostly disappointed with how inconsistent the art style is (I mean even the subtitles font pisses me off). It feels NOTHING like the original games.
Ha I don't even think it looks nicer. Like it was shown here, CJ looks far better in the OG version compared to here. There's emotion and a reaction of fear when Big Smoke pulls a bat on him. The new version looks like he had bad botox. I refunded this trash and went back to the classics. New version Ryder should join the Xmen here. He has a weird arm and he has a mouth in his neck that he smokes through. Old version has a normal figure and he smokes through his mouth
No. It doesn't look nicer. GTA with mods & reshade still looks better. You better try reshade mod that basically enables DirectX 11 to be used on these DirectX 9 era-trilogy.
I played through Vice City and San Andreas for nostalgia recently (after all their fixes, etc.) and I couldn't put my finger on what wasn't right about them. Eventually I saw an old video of original PS2 versions and realised it was the soundtrack! They took off all the great 90s hip hop classics because they were too expensive to licence, and even replaced one with an odd remix for some reason. Once I realised, it just killed all the nostalgia I was having. I would have been better off getting hold of a PS2.
Looking forward to Vadim's video on this with your narration. The fact that they based this 'definitive' edition on the absolutely botched mobile ports is baffling. Big L.
given that this was made by War Drum Studios I was already skeptical and had very low expectations, but it somehow managed to be even worse than what I already expected
Yeah i figured that because it was such an important and incredibly high profile release, that it would have been awesome this time. somehow, rockstar surpassed everyones expectations in how shitty this could have possibly been. Its all about the money, quality second
The moment I had heard the they were being re-built on Unreal Engine, I already called that this was going to be a botched job. Finding out War Drum Studios (under the name Grove Street Games) was making them, furthered my resolve to avoid them. I am not even going to bother with these games while they are on UE.
In general, I am glad for youtubers, who do not joke about every single thing to make themselves funnier. Mr. Goodger just speaks to the topic, straightly and clearly and my heart is singing, for being so happy!
It truly is a sad day when a few hobbiest, who mod games in their free time, deliver a more complete product than a billion company. They need to charge rockstar with fraud, or something- unfortunately it’s not illegal to be a POS
@@ClassicShocker I'm thoroughly in love with it despite its bugs. It makes me so sad that they didn't have more time to work on it, because it easily had the potential to be the best. It's nowhere near the best now, but still fun if you went in without expectations.
I liked how they changed the dance mission controls, and the Low Rider activation. I got stuck on the 360 version of SA because I couldn't get past the "Life's A Beach" mission, but now it was a breeze. I will say that sometimes the graphics will go all pixelated there will be a line of pixelation scrolling down. I sing the Pixies' song "Wave of Mutilation" but sub "Pixelation" It's also part of XBOX Game Pass so I just play on the cloud which is nice...
I pre ordered these when the trailer dropped as I got hyped. Then I found your channel and your videos, mainly about the GTA SA xbox 360 port. Saw this was the same studio and decided to cancel my pre order. Thank you for saving me 60 bucks
This Trilogy is a disappointment to say the least. A major project like this deserves experienced developers like R* North or San Diego (even a small team should be enough).
@PogChamp I agree. R* North/San Diego should have *remade* GTA 3 in 2021, VC in 2022/23, and SA in 2024/25/26. These games deserve more than a mobile developer like Grove Street Games (War Drum Studios) considering how legendary these games are. I would prefer the original voice lines to be *remastered* though. I don't want any of the original actors to get replaced.
@PogChamp What do you mean by a remake? Does it include replacing all the dialoge and voice acting with new by new voice actors and new music in the radios? In my opinion a proper remaster would've been good enough.
I was replaying the original version of San Andreas before the definitive addition got release, and I’m glad to say I’m still playing the original you can’t perfect something brilliant!
I personally am having fun with them. Currently playing through GTA III and the nostalgia is hitting like a brick. They do have their problems though. The main thing I noticed is the rain made everything hard to see and the contrast is broken. Other than that I'm having fun.
@@Dr-Shite-Kicker Every respectable company does a proper quality control to it's products before putting them on the market. Although GSG did the job Rockstar was in charge and so Rockstar is responsible for the final product.
The remasters look completely artless. Even though III, Vice City and San Andreas didn’t have the best graphics at the time, they all had a carefully crafted visual look. Colour is incredibly important in visual art, and that goes for the GTA Trilogy too. The muted, steely look of III; the saturated pastel look of VC are incredibly important to the overall experience. I’ve tried talking to people online about this but no one seemed to understand. So many gamers just want more. More colour = better, more polygons = better etc etc. So many will happily see a game being completely changed and be happy with it because it’s shiny and new. It’s ironic. As much as gamers go on about video games being an art form, they certainly don’t treat them like it.
Because the definitive edition used the same type of lighting from GTA5 because of how popular the game is. The problem is that particularly GTA3 and VC are not suitable to having this kind of vibrant and high saturation visual art style. GTA3 is supposed to look dark and gritty, with sometime fog weather covering the atmosphere of the dangerous Liberty City filled with many criminal organization. VC despite set in the 80s, the original game still retained that kind of gritty atmosphere of GTA3 due to its crime activity especially in the west part of the map. SA is perhaps the only game that is suitable for the visual style of GTA5, but what's make the game stands out in terms of its visual is the PS2 version of the original game with the orange sunset filter covering the atmosphere of the map that set the toned of 90s LA. The definitive edition has none of those, they're ended look bland and lifeless by following the current trend of video game visuals.
Yes and no. I totally understand you. Those gamers you talk about are not the "nerdy" ones. Those are more i would call these days casual gamer. They don't care about it as we do. They are mostly here to consume and sometimes complain about the wrong stuff.
I now even have issues with the game itself running on a ~5-7 y/o parts. GTA 3 seems to have the hardest tine of them all, when the original runs like no problem. I knew it would run a little harder since it is updated, but if I can run new AAA games better than these: they were so not worth it, they need A LOT of work be on par with the expectation of a remaster.
6:15 No, my man. That is not the issue. These games, 20 YEARS AGO mind you, did not have the issues that these "remasters" have. Ryder never had googly hands nor did the characters shine weirdly or have weird facial expressions, or stupid white lines when you shoot someone (there's a mod for that also, since you mentioned it and also for the new awful wasted screens etc - just browse the known modding sites, the game is about to be completely fixed by the community), falling through the map or getting stuck or that instagram filter they call "rain", and Tommy in VC didn't look like some fat ass indian bollywood dude cosplaying as him. CJ had a girlfriend not.. whatever the hell that is and etc etc etc. And its not the engine's fault either since its not the old RenderWare from 20 yrs ago, this is Unreal 4 Engine. They probably just kept the scripts of how models, textures, collisions etc interact with each other. I refuse to even play Vice City like this. I need a good mod for Tommy and the main cast. They look like play doh animations. They literally screwed up perfectly good games from 20 years ago. Wrap your head around that one bro. And they deleted the originals, but put them back because of backlash from the community. But this is nothing new nowadays. This is exactly what happened to Warcraft III Reforged, if everyone remembers, just at the start of last year. So yeah... It is what it is.
I'd like to just remind everyone Grand Theft Auto V was released with fog, but it still has it to add to the atmosphere (and of course to help with geometry detail. Technical limitations (like those spoken about from 1:49 onward) were in place, but the fog added it's own charm and the map was continuously built upon that as well with both working together to make the massive and expanded feel of San Andreas. There was, and still is, no reason to delete the fog.
I'm pretty sure that rushing the remastered of a 20 years old game was the problem. It's like saying to someone they have 3 months to make a 1960s car run on fuel injection and make 130 mph with the original engine. It's gonna be a disaster surely because you don't have the time to trouble shooting it
You must be really oblivious to gamedev and old cars. Like really. That makes no sense if you know about the subject. First of all. In 3 months a car/workshop that know there stuff can rebuild and make 1960s car go 130mph. (if they can get the parts/have them at hand) A V8 wiht like 5 liters of displacement together with repaired brakes and wheels are going to most likely hit 130mph trying hard enough. Really getting a 60s V8 or even just a strait 6 engine rebuilt takes not much more then a week at most. And fuel injection? Carburetors qualify to do that! If you mean electric direct fuel injection or even just electrical injection. Well that is done with parts and bit of expert work in a days time. It dose not need to be very advanced for the people that know what they are doing with basic car stuff. But if it has to be direct injection there need to be holes drilled into the block and that takes tools and time. (and knowledge) Really the problem with games/programs is that they are by design made to not be messed with. And by design also made to not be possible to repair and keep working on newer systems. That takes effort and openness. And that do not make you MONEY. Bottom line is. In 3 months a 60s car with even a slim hope of getting it running agen. WILL if NECESSARY do 130mph by the 3th month. Heck even GTA defect edition can be done in 3 months. Just ask the mod makers to got dam mail the files for there finished remakes and it is done withing a day....
@@TheDiner50 . These games needed more than 3 months though. Even if everything is done correctly, they have to go back and make sure there's no bugs. Rushing a release is not the R* way. People have even noted that the Houser Brothers and other high ranking executives would often play test games extensively and provide feedback even when the game was finished. The design philosophy was "we try to do things that the average player might not even think about so that if they did try to do something like punch a punching bag, it reacts". None of that carried over. Look at the videos made by The Real Kevin. Running over stuff like wooden fences and plastic tables and chairs originally would cause them to break and fall apart. Now they just dissappear into the ground. Not to mention that missions should have been tested extensively to avoid game breaking problems.
lucky people who bought original games before they got removed. Just with help of some mods and tweaks these games are totally playable and quite enjoyable
I have absolutely no intentions of buying or playing the definitive edition. I'm sorry, but these games need a remake. They had over 8 years to spend the time and effort to create the incredible remakes these games deserve. The fact that they outsourced it to a mobile game company and rushed them shows how much of a pathetically horrible cash grab this was intended to be and how little they actually cared.
Agreed, they essentially just put everything through an AI upscaler and then put a 60 dollar price tag on it. Then it was just a matter of taking down the modders so they couldn't do what the AI did but better. It's absolutely terrible and Rockstar deserves to lose money over this.
@@12345Yeah Nobody needs to play it to have an opinion on it you have to look at the amount of videos on RU-vid showing you how bad the Definition series is, plus if you have Xbox you can play San Andreas free and see for yourself how many bugs there are and how little they have spent on 'Remastering' it, it's a pathetic money grabbing release
@@12345Yeah that's such a dumb thing to say. Just because you haven't played it, doesn't mean you can't have an opinion on a product that you've read articles and seen videos about it. Especially since gta DE is just a visual upgrade. You just need to look at it and tell that it's not worth the price point.
But then they will change the story and after seeing what happened to Resident Evil 3 Remake, I don't want a remake where they remove all of the film studio missions.
when i played VCR, tommy was in the intro cutscene with sonny, also a bug in the controls when after delivering a car and you moving about sometimes you get a delayed reactions and tommy ends up trapped in the import garage and that was seriously frustrating having to reload the game from an auto save after completing 4lists and now having to redo it all over. gta3r remaster they have little to no checkpoints making missions difficult with setbacks making you drive miles all over again. claude looks ugly as hell in SAR. the rain and the bright white blooming effects are blinding and it becomes unplayable in VCR and when it rains too it makes almost impossible to play the game. the car durability seems poorly adjusted making cars explode too easily in all games especially in san andreas. and the aiming mechanics need fixing as i hate standing still to use most guns in all three games especially with the M4 in GTA3R. that was a nightmare when running out of AK ammo on the dam mission. i though it was to have GTAV aiming in these games. it does not. it has the same aiming as they were on the original PC releases. also in the ADS it feels ugly when using a Gamepad. i have to often use the mouse to aim and shoot because of how stiff the gamepad feels. AI is still dumb as ever in SAR just like it was in the original. also the destructible fences in gta3 down at the docks now if you hit a fence, it should fall to the ground right.... no, the fencs spaz's out into the sky swirling about. but wait im still hitting an invisible fence on the ground... in gtasar when doing some introduction races in the countryside there are some invisible ramp collisions when off-roading that can send your car flying. the animation on CJ when cycling is hilarious... even when exorcizing at the gym. oh that was broken like crazy. i could not tell if i was doing any reps... also broken SFX when near the rivers or ocean. although the game is broken. but some bugs actually made the game more easily to progress in the story. i mean the racing in all three games the AI are so dumb. its just another one bites the dust all over and a easy paycheque. also traffic hovers im some areas, and random cars do infact spawn dead smack in front of you when driving. some missions finish a cutscene and goes into gameplay and does not carry any context ingameplay after the cutscenes explaining what to do so it makes the game frustrating when doing multiple retries. and why is the satchel charges now called a detonator in ammunation? also performance is really bad on GTA3 and GTAVC. in SA its not too bad. also floating vegitation, that's usual is it? i got fed up watching videos of how bad GTATR was and finallly bought them and i like them considering how bad quality is on them all. completed GTA3 in a day. VC im not far of finishing it and SA i got passed the hardest Mission when i hate BS complaining "all you had to do is follow the goddamn train CJ..." which i done on the first take. and i've never ever completed that mission since the game released in 04 myself... also radios sometimes skip and play nothing like a broken audio file.
Worst thing about it for me is how I'm running this on the PS5, and when I drive out to the desert in San Andreas literally everything loads around you as you drive. The pop in is insane in this game. Last time I played this was back in 2004 when it first released so I don't remember if it was an issue then but it shouldn't be now.
I wish the public had access to the RAGE engine (GTA IV), like we do with Unreal, so everyone on Nexus could just rebuild the game in that engine along with the game's existing audio/music files to keep it true (no need for re-recording dialog that way) Rockstar's Rage seemingly had the fewest bugs in all GTA games.
Man, it just pains me to see the top games of my childhood that gave me a hours of entertainment end up like this. The newer generation will not know what we've respected these games for.
