AGHHH…MY NAMES JOHN WAGNER. I LIKE SERIOUS VIDEOS ONLY. IF THEY ARENT SERIOUS, I GET UPSET. SILLINESS IS THE WORK OF THE DEVIL. IN MY DAY, WE DIDNT ALLOW SILLINESS, NOT TO MENTION GAS WAS ONLY 35 CENTS PER GALLON. DID I FORGET TO MENTION HOW MUCH I HATE ELECTRIC VEHICLES FOR NO GOOD REASON? THEY’RE TOO SILLY. I NEED TO CHANGE MY DIAPER, AND THAT ISNT SILLY, ITS A SERIOUS PROBLEM.
@@CarsAndZebras I see your videos are still off the chain hilarious!!! Have you heard of the 428CJ?...That engine was guaranteed to give wood... because it had a "wooden" cam... because when you revved it up it went : "wooden wooden".... 😂😂😂😂
I would have dropped the torino rear air pressure down to , say 18lbs.With the ford driver not knowing how to handle that top loader a c-6 could of been a huge lift !
I had a 68 GTX back in the day. No PS, PB or A/C. Just a ton of torque. Great memories of the four barrel opening, the smell of raw gas dumping into that big motor, and being brutally shoved back in my bucket seat. What a ride.
The Torino Cobra had a quite a Top End Charge, thanks to those big Super Cobra Jet Heads and Solid Lifter Cam. The 70 Torino Cobra is my favorite Ford from back in the day, ain't nothing like a Super Cobra Jet backed up by a Top Loader and 4.30,s. Motor Trend liked it also, was there Muscle Car of the year for 1970.
@@ricktaylor3748 Nope. This same Torino raced a 440(390hp) Cuda with 4.10 gears and 4speed shown here on C&Z and the Torino won both races so I wouldn't say that low gears would have this GTX 'vaporize' the Torino. Automatic trans is a huge advantage in stock tire racing.
The Ford is amazing. Love it. I owned a 1969 GTX, auto, ps, pb and air conditioning. Bought it from the original owner in 1971. Looked just like the RR in this race. Great Race. Good to see you. Thanks
Great video I'm a chevy guy but I've always had a soft spot for a GTX and that SUPER COBRA JET IS REALLY SUPER SWEET both running 13s awesome. Thanks for the video.👊
A buddy of mine had a '69 GTX with dual quads on a cross-ram intake and dual point distributor. Couldn't tune it for peak HP because the rockers weren't adjustable and he couldn't afford to buy adjustable push rods or a variety of different length ones to set valve lash. He wound up selling it. JMO.
Two big ones battling it out - great driving by both. Interesting to play the pre-race game with engine stats, weight, and rear gearing. Several laugh out loud moments - thank you as always! ~ Chuck
@@CarsAndZebras the big muscle also the 1971 mustang besides this car and also early brochure boss 429 engine available but change later on only mustang for 1970 and 1971 boss 302 boss 429 boss 351 but change
How can you say both great drivers. That clown operating the torino standing on the gas , going nowhere in race 2 an 3 . He made a joke of himself !Nothing great about him ! You obviously haven't a clue !
Good to see ya back buddy 🦓 happy to see your funky sense of humor is still here too lol! Great race between two automotive giants, I've always been a pro Mopar kinda guy, but I also respect Ford and love Torino's and this one sure hauled some ass too! Great race and great cars brotha! 😎👍
@CudaRebelsCarsandDiecast Hi my friend😉 Fantastic stock drag race, isn't it? The third round was a GTX power! I know you call it "Gee Tee Exterminator". But I would say rather "Gee Tyrannosaurus reX"😎
@@plymouthdie-castreplicas I totally agree brotha! I always enjoy C&Z drag races, and I love the way you worded it! "Gee T-ReX" sounds perfect, in fact I'm gonna write that one down lol! 😁👍
Awesome video, eleven and a half minutes of a good time on the track. Both cars were nice, but that GTX is one of my favorites. Thanks for another great video Cars and Zebras.
Driving a clutch car at the strip takes talent and practice. You already have enough to think about without controlling your rpm and your clutch pedal. And with those wimpy tires that torino could burn them through the 1/4. Notice the dodges consistency? Thats why most people prefer an Automatic in drag racing. But if the ford guy worked on his suspension, trim that 300 pounds off the car,going around the road chickens would be no problem 😊.
I like Ford... But I guessed the Mopar to be the winner so no matter what happened, I'd be satisfied. That being say... The RB 440 is the sexiest vintage pushrod motor ever produced
@@michaelharrisson1683 The best "older" Ford engine is the 427 Period. The SOHC couldn't be called a production engine so I left that out but yes that is an incredible engine
@@bluesky-ud9wg I'm not talking about the best. And no it's not the 427... The 427 is just the most powerful... The best is is the small block 260, 289, 302.
Good day C & Z, About time the best of 3 & your humor came back it has been missing for so so long. Extremely suprised by the times of the GTX more so with the 3,23:1 arse end ratio. Hope you are well coming into your summer absolutely gorgeous day here in Melbourne, Australia. Cheers Louis Kats your number 1 Fan in Australia. ☺👍
The weight of the Torino was suprising, didn't realize they were that heavy. Silliness aside, I still thoroughly enjoy your videos and yes I'm subscribed.
Welcome back, C&Z! Awesome race...but why would anyone order a GTX with 3.23 gears?? Plymouth still pulled out the victory, but I like the looks of the Torino way better. Thanks for posting! 👍😎
THey didnt need a low gear they made so much low-midrange tq it stayed in its powerband longer and could still cruise the fwy . The fords engine with the almost too big heads and solid lift cam needs deep gears or they feel like a pooch. Know that one well
GREAT MATCH UP BOTH CARS ARE TOP CONTENDERS ... THE TORINO DRAG PACK SUPRISED ME. I KNOW THAT MOPAR HAS A CAST CRANK ..TOO BAD THE TORINO DIDN'T HAVE THE HIDEAWAY HEADLIGHTS THEY REALLY LOOKED GREAT ... THANKS FOR ANOTHER GREAT MATCH UP AND GREAT VIDEO WITH ALL THE FUN FACTS ... YOUR FORMAT IS PERFECT DON'T TRY TO IMPROVE IT .... IT'S PERFECT THE WAY IT IS !!!!
Cast cranks came in later 440 engines- after '72. They were common in New Yorkers, other C bodies. This GTX 440 (if original) was forged. Even if the 440 was non-original, the mechanic/owner would select a forged equipped replacement.
@@dodgecharger4404 SOUNDS REASONABLE THAT IF THE OWNER WOULD SPEND A SMALL FORTUNE ON A CAR .... A FORGED CRANK WOULD BE NECESSARY ..... THE 440 SIX PACK WAS A FORMIDABLE ENGINE I HAVE SEEN 340 DUSTER BEAT AND SHAME A ZL1 CAMARO .... THINK I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE 440 RATHER THAN THE HEMI SIMPLY DUE TO PRICE .....
@@jimmeyer7632 Most 440s ddint rpm enough to need a steel crank Those crappy heads may have helped it with driveable torque but not much upstairs. The SCJ on the other hand sucked on the st or strip without real deep gears
This is hilarious. Right now, as I watch this video I just sold my 68 Charger and I have my 70 GS 455 for sale. My Charger was only a 383/4bbl but my GS is the same Diplomat Blue. Great to see a new video, I miss having a new one every week. I know it must be a lot of work but they are still some of the best videos on RU-vid!!!
Thank you for making such great Muscle Car videos - really appreciate your ability to combine the video, statistics on the cars & your sense of humor - I’m always laughing like a Hyena at those one-liners - thanks again!!
It only takes about 2 hrs to change those 3:23 gears in that 8 3/4 in. GTX rear end. I went to the junkyard and got a 3:73 off a van pretty cheap. For such a small investment in time and money, it sure makes a big difference in takeoff. 😉👍
Glad to see a new vid. Always Here for the low brow humor and info ...stay for the races . Now that spring is threatening to stick around , I can look forward to more vids more often. Great stuff as always.
What the hell kind of crazy stuff are you watching to get the hysterical content anyway? Lmfao!!! You're one beautiful sick and funny individual!!! Btw, I love it!!!
@@CarsAndZebras We should rename you Dr Demento! The clip with Leno was straight up funny as hell . Cant believe dudes get on here to tell you humor is immmature! Like they are frigging Mr Hand preaching to Spicoli!
Lol, you made me a subscriber. Your videos are very entertaining...and yes on the silly side but it's your channel, do what you want. Making people smile is a good thing especially with all the troubles in the world. Those who don't like your style can watch other car channels.
Holy Carp Batman! A Great video. Talk about a nail-biter! Daayum! I`m Mopar until death, but I was sooo bummed for the Torino in that last race. Mulligan?!? Talk about close racing. Great cars great racing. I do question the odd number of races that are so common. Odd numbered races just don`t work fairly. For a huge example of a fair number to judge something. How about a court room? Think about it. An odd number of jurors simply would not work. The same with car racing. Thank You. (Have you noticed, that over the years, I have calmed down soo much? Well, except for tears of Joy!)
Compared to the 429 CJ, the Super Cobra Jet engine featured four-bolt mains, a precision-balanced forged crankshaft, forged-aluminum pistons that raised the compression ratio to 11.3:1, a high-lift solid-lifter camshaft, heavy-duty connecting rods secured with "football" bolts, unique harmonic balancer and flywheel, high-volume oil pump, unique cylinder heads, high-rise intake manifold, and 780-cfm Holley four-barrel carburetor. Motor Trend and other magazines testing this car in the 1/4 mile, turning 13.3 @ 109 mph. Amide reports of making 375 hp, the factory 1970 SCJ actually made 425 hp and 450 lbft.
Breaking 100mph in the 1/4 even in the 80s was said to be a decent st car 109 in 1970 wow. I was 2 yrs old then Fast st car no matter the brand...sure pulled good up top once the heads started working.
@@CarsAndZebras I'm planning to take a 71 Formula 400 I have, its essentially a bare shell, and clone my 72 455 HO formula, and race it in PSMCDR, have a friend looking for the heads right now. My numbers matching 72 has every option possible for a Formula, so its HEAVY... and its also kinda rare. The 71 cost me $300 25 years ago, and its manual everything with no AC. Everything else I can can't be raced in pure stock or even FAST, because they all run on E85/E100... Except the 70 Cuda, its 340 is low compression and its more of a cruiser with AC and nice stuff. If I can get the clone built, I will bring both of them down state to run them. I'm in the UP.
Myself had a 70 thunderbird with the 429 thunderjet motor. A living room on wheels Heading to a concert in Detroit the I-75 overpass that goes uphill towards Detroit I hit well over 130mph and the car started shaking so I let off. She still had more. That being said doing a burn out broke the frame in 1/2. That was her demise. I would have loved to have that motor in a Fairlane or stang.
I like big fords and I can not lie GtXs are nice and fly muscle cars I can't decide when cnz starts the spin I click on in and get live ... Welcome back cnz now that grabber blue Mercury cyclone spoiler in the background of the cobra what about fine fendered bbmc (big beautiful Muscle car) will you be featuring the merc soon ?
I do have footage of it, but not great. Guy was having shifter issues, but it’s one quick car. Might get more footage of it later this year. I want to feature it, but when it’s fine-tuned
I hope so it's a beauty and one alot of folks may not know about. Those 429 cobra motors were made in Lima ohio buckeye power for wolverine sheet metal a little college football humor there
Car Seat? Family of 5 children, one on the package tray, Two across the rear hump with support, and two on the rear seat! NASA was everything and child safety was unheard of! Those were awesome times and I love my youth! What the "F" happened to the USA!
IN 69, THE ROADRUNNER WAS MOTOR TREND’S CAR OF THE YEAR , MUCH RESPECT TO FORD WITH THE BOSS IN 1970 , CHEVY HAD THE LS-6 , BUT THE PLYMOUTH CUDA AND DODGE CHALLENGER SMOKED IT WITH A FASTER QUARTER MILE TIME !!!!!
@@gordocarbo I WOULD BE REFERRING TO THE QUARTER MILE TESTS OF ROAD & TRACK OR MOTOR TREND TESTING !! 13.5 SEC. 70 HEMI CUDA , 70 LS - 6 CHEVELLE 13.8 SEC. HEAVIER CAR !!!
I had a 440 before so im not surprised by the numbers. It's nice to know that the common 440 would run with the Super Cobra Jet though. It's a proven engine too. I dont think a SCJ could handle all the things ppl put 440s through. The 440 (6 pack) is one of the few factory engines that could outrun a hemi. Never underestimate a 440!!!
There was a 429 scj 70 rancharo that the school teacher lady would bring in to the ford dealer I worked at as a car porter I would take it out to my school and roast the tires in the student parking lot. I think I messed up the clutch last time she brought it on. It was fun while it lasted it did much better than the Pantara!!
Well the quickest (and best looking) car lost because the GTX had a more experienced driver. That Torino was the best looking one of them all and with ALL the right boxes checked off! Too bad they didnt make a light weight version, maybe getting it under 4,000 lb.? Reminds me of the UTG (uncle Tony garage)race this weekend where he holeshotted a F100 w/ 700hp 429 and him in a 318 powered 4 door mopar (with a little Nitrous).
In stock form the GTX was rated fairly @375 horse power, but this Torino had a lot of exotic parts and was underrated @ 375 horse power. How is your SS 396????
These are pretty nice ETs for what are, I assume, basically stock engines. Nice vehicles - both of them. The 3.23 gears in the GTX really hurts acceleration.
My dude my main squeeze is a 1967 ss 427 l-72 425hp 70 m-22 out of an ls-6 Chevelle 4spd convertible black on black on black oh 12 bolt factory posi 3:76 😊🎉
