Guide To Half Frame Bags & Wedges

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In our latest video, Neil dives into the world of half frame bags and wedges. He talks about the benefits these bags offer, some packing ideas for day rides and bikepacking trips, and shares his thoughts on six different bags he's tested over the years.
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Half Frame vs. Wedge: (0:30)
Benefits of these bags: (0:50)
Ways to pack them: (1:55)
Available options: ( 3:06)
Outershell Half Frame Bag
Road Runner Wedge (4:31)
Apidura Backcountry Frame Bag (5:58)
Pro Discover Frame Bag (6:34)
Salsa EXP Half Frame Bag (7:25)
Revelate Designs Tangle (7:58)
Mentioned Links:
Half Frame Bag & Wedge Gear Index (bikepacking.com/index/half-fr...)
The Gear Index is our comprehensive reference and comparison tool for various types of bikepacking and bike travel gear, much of which has been tested. (bikepacking.com/index/)
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@markdebano5280 3 года назад

I’ve been using the Revelate Design Tangle bag for over a year now. It’s been great and has held up very well!

3 года назад

Great video. I would add that water bottles cages that allow you to put the bottles in and out from the side are quite essential when using frame bags.

@BIKEPACKINGcom 3 года назад

Great tip!

@paulpoletes6341 3 года назад

The Wolftooth Morse Cage is a good choice for some frames because the extra holes allow you to mount the cage lower, leaving more room to get the bottles in and out: www.wolftoothcomponents.com/products/morse-cage

@spencergiles72 3 года назад

Lezyne Flow SL cages are a great value IMO. Pair of them for $24 and they hold well while being easy to get your bottle in and out.

3 года назад

@@paulpoletes6341 yes, it's a nice design (something I actually have been searching for, in vain until now), but you still can't get the bottle out from the sides.

@georgex5959 3 года назад

Toooo late😳

@ARCUS1200 2 года назад

Today I bought the "PRO GRAVEL DISCOVER" Framebag (5.5 liter). I have a 58cm Pinarello roadbike, so it will fit perfectly even with some spare space to put the bidon in the holder. I will use it for camera equipment (MFT camera, lens, tripod, batteries and memorycards), biketools, Esbit burner + metal cup, food, wallet and to store a raincoat mainly. Not sure if it will fit when the bag arrives but I will eventually also order a top frame bag as well and move the phone and food into that bag eventually.

@paulpoletes6341 3 года назад

I have a medium Revelate Tangle, and it fits perfectly on all my size-56 bikes. I can still fit two water bottles under the bag, and I'm amazed at how much stuff I can fit into the Tangle. On longer trips, I will put a largeish power bank in the Tangle, then run a cord from the battery to my Sinewave Beacon light/USB charger. I also keep a Lezyne Micro Floor Drive pump in the bag, along with food and tools. When mounted on the bike, the left side of the bag is a great place for flatter items like the battery, credit cards, a spoon, zip ties, etc. The right side has the larger compartment, and that's where I keep bulkier items.

@meredithpinony6181 3 года назад

I am an Alpine Luddites bag fan. John provides durable goods with awesome fit and will build options to your fill your needs upon request.

@TimmHuffman 3 года назад

Very helpful. Thanks!

@clayton7017 3 года назад

nice video - love my outter shell half frame bag!

@BIKEPACKINGcom 3 года назад

It's such a great bag and looks the part too.

@The2808erik 2 года назад

For full suspension MTBs I can also recommend the Vaude cruiser bag fits very well and most frames size M or bigger can fit the bag and one bottle cage with a 500ml bottle easy.

@jaspersoucoup7870 2 года назад

Great Video!

@iWillbike 3 года назад

The Road Runner Wedge is also designed to fit both ways. If you flip it around on your Cutty it will fit a little cleaner.

@ssjones350 3 года назад

Appreciate that review - I just bought an Outer Shell Half-Frame bag in Medium, Desert Camo for my Warbird

@BIKEPACKINGcom 3 года назад

Right on, can't go wrong with it, its a fantastic bag.

@ssjones350 3 года назад

@@BIKEPACKINGcom I was disappointed they didn't have the jumping fox on the bag - is that something you put on?

@BIKEPACKINGcom 3 года назад

@@ssjones350 Yep, that is a Bikepacking.com patch.

@cjones7854 3 года назад

I've been using the larger half frame bag from Jandd. They've been around awhile and their stuff is pretty basic but it seems pretty tough. It's not flashy, and kind of looks like it was made in the 90s which is cool in a way. Could fit a larger one though.

@BIKEPACKINGcom 3 года назад

Nice, I love the 90's. Who doesn't love Alanis....

@buckroger6456 2 года назад

I want to get a little frame bag for my full suspension bike just to take some weight out of my camelbak. I'm a big endurance rider and like to go out for a good 6-8 hour rides and sometimes that can be longer.

@anshumandeshpande1332 3 года назад

Would be great if you could make a video of DIY frame bag :D. (I know there exist already an article)

@1972Konaboy Год назад

I have been unable to decide what framebag I want for my gravel bike. Two many options out there. Thank you for this video!!! I am ordering a medium Outer Shell Half Framebag as soon as my color choice is in stock. 😃

@etre_jaclyn Месяц назад

What gravel bike do you have and how are you liking the bag you ordered?

@1972Konaboy Месяц назад

@@etre_jaclyn I ride a Rocky Mountain Solo 70. Love the set up and super happy!!!!

@etre_jaclyn Месяц назад

@1972Konaboy wow that wasn't even on my radar. Nice! I like that name too.. solo. Looks like that's a carbon frame. How many miles do you have on it? I went with specialized diverge carbon sport

@1972Konaboy Месяц назад

@@etre_jaclyn a lot of miles. I commute on it every day.

@gregmorrison7320 3 года назад

Just started using my first half frame bag as we turn into autumn (NZ) and fitted some Bontrager side mount bottle cages, first judder bar lost my front water bottle :(

@ZacharyParrott 3 года назад

Was not expecting to see you pull out some GCB evo!

@BIKEPACKINGcom 3 года назад

HA! Maybe the most unexpected beer, so good tho.

@BrentZahradnik 3 года назад

I think I have a revelate touring tangle that is even older. It has like no features like customizable fit, compartments or loops for tent poles/ pump, but I just used it on a quick tour a few weeks ago. Still going strong.

@BIKEPACKINGcom 3 года назад

Yeah, that was the first one I was holding up but then I got into the new one. It's a classic and I will never get rid of mine. Nice to see yours is still kicking.

@evdb7246 2 года назад

What bottle cages are on the pink bike? The side load ones. Having trouble with full size 750ml bottle on down tube…getting it in/out with apidura wedge. I’m on a 54 Factor LS

@brianagee4620 2 года назад

Where did you get that cool wolf pin on the outer shell bag?

@wixy369 3 года назад

That Outershell bag, where did you get that Fox badge? and how you attached it on the bag?

@marksadventures3889 3 года назад

My bike frame doesn't allow for most of those bags as my suspension takes up a lot of the space. I got an old mountain bike but I keep it in great order, cleaned after every ride whilst at home or out camping. My bar bag takes the maps, sections of G-maps I expand and print off in sections, supple laminates protect them and placed in a waterproof wallet.

@SamFromVACE 2 года назад

I can't seems to find a suitable frame bag for my size S Giant Defy Adv Pro. Bought a couple frame bags before and those bags always sat on my water bottles so I have difficulty reaching and retrieve the water bottle while I was pedalling. There also abrasion between the bottle and the bag that increased wear and tear at the bottom of the bag.

@bagballz 2 года назад

do you recommend frameskin before using these or are the straps soft enough to avoid scuff marks?

@fennec13 3 года назад

Cool bags - but where can I get that awesome patch/ emblem you have on the side of your Outershell Bag ??!?

@whateverluk 3 года назад

Awesome video, my main concerne with these kind of bags is the contact points between straps and frame... Is there any easy way to protect the frame without having toi get a frame protector? maybe an old tube could do the trick? I plan to use it on my new carbon road bike so... ^^

@spencergiles72 3 года назад

Helicopter tape works. I cringe a bit coving up my gorgeous paint job on my new carbon bike but....tools not jewels and protecting my investment is worth more to me than perfect aesthetics. Just my .02

@whateverluk 3 года назад

@@spencergiles72 Thanks for the tip!

@ARCUS1200 2 года назад

@@spencergiles72 I believe there are also transparent tapes and tubes outthere you can put on the frame. I am looking at the 3M Scotch Extremium Duct tape in order to protect my frame.

@coty.thompson 2 года назад

where can I get that wolf patch you have on your outershell bag?!?!

@samuelcronin 2 года назад

Hey Neil, what are the bottle cages on the pink Salsa Warbird?

@BIKEPACKINGcom 2 года назад

Hey, they are these... www.salsacycles.com/gear/side_entry_water_bottle_cage

@konraiderk6440 3 года назад

I'm desperately looking for a smaler wedge like the one from apidura, just to put my tools inside, don't want to have anything on seattube or saddle ..because i want to have the ability to carry and push my bike , anyone a hint ?

@Cesarz28 2 года назад

The outer shell don’t make it with the wolf logo any more???

@eliboyer3352 3 года назад

What size is your Tangle? Also have a 56cm Warbird

@tyren818 2 года назад

Pls make a video showing, half frame bags + bottle cages and how to set that up, so you can actually take bottle cages in and out.

@buckroger6456 2 года назад

Your best option is to get bottle cages that let you put the bottles in from the side rather then the top.

@tyren818 2 года назад

@@buckroger6456 oh, I ended up getting relevate tangle frame bag and king cage lowering stainless steel bottle cages and they work fine.

@buckroger6456 2 года назад

@@tyren818 nice. I often find that a good local bike shop can really help out a lot as well. I'm looking to get a half frame bag myself.

@marcellopacifici 3 года назад

Hi there! I noticed that most of the bags you speak about are not 100% waterproof but only water resistent. Isn't it an issue fo you? Do you ride in dry climates only or a water resistant bag is fine for anything but a monsoon rain, which most of the leisure cyclists won't ride in anyway? I apologize if the question is numb. I'm asking because I don't own a frame bag yet. Maybe I'm just a bit too worried about water! :)

@BIKEPACKINGcom 3 года назад

I often ride in very moist conditions, but the problem here is that most of the frame bags made are simply not waterproof. They have zippers, so when submerged, water penetrates, and most are not seam-sealed. I typically don't carry gear that can't get wet in my frame bag for that reason. That being said, if you are looking for a waterproof frame bag, look for a bag that has some sort of welded seams, so no stitching and one that has a roll-top closure. The one that I can think of is the new Ortlieb Frame-Pack

@keithc5729 3 года назад

I think my knees would hit the bag. Is that a thing? My knees are very close to the top tube.

@raulrivera-earthstewardshi2241 3 года назад

Ditto. I returned a frame bag to the retailer after one use because the frame bag was rubbing my inner legs.

@matthewsponseller 3 года назад

I’ve wondered about that very thing, I haven’t seen anyone comment about it before though... maybe your comment will generate some feedback.

@BIKEPACKINGcom 3 года назад

Interesting, I think a lot of that has to do with A. q-factor B. the bags width and how much you stuff in it and finally B. your legs. I've had some rub with some bags, especially on the first day of a bikepacking trip with a packed bag, but I typically don't have that issue.

@chrislowe3060 3 года назад

Yes! I tried 3 bags. For me the Revelate Tangle tapered down enough to not be an issue.

@my_friend_duben 3 года назад

Where did you find the wolf patch on the outershell bag? Great video!

@BIKEPACKINGcom 3 года назад

We have hats, T-shirts and more patches coming soon. They will be announced to members first via email, then if there are leftovers, we'll post a Dispatch on the website.

@AwesomeRedKite 2 года назад

Take on strap vs bolt on bags?

@StevenTamburello Год назад

Question…. I purchased a half frame bag from Outer Shell and they sent me a camera strap. There is no phone number on their site and I have filled out a contact form letting them know. No response yet. Is there a way to call them? I don’t want to have to go down the road of calling my credit card company to cancel the charge.

@YardgamesHERO 3 года назад

Where are your Joe Cruz "town pants" in that Tangle?

@bg6513 2 года назад

Where can I get one of your little fox patches?? 🦊

@chuck12319655 Год назад

What size bike is the 26" wheel? S M L ?

@pyromancyglassart8975 2 года назад

what kind of stove is that ?

@sdgdfgdasdgsdf7354 11 месяцев назад

The bike is solid and my Ebike conversion went great. ru-vid.comUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Very smooth ride at 30mph with no problems (135 miles ridden so far). The picture is a bit deceiving - there is WAY less space in the center of the frame than it shows. The suspension connection takes up the entire thing. So I needed to attach my battery on the bottom of the frame and my controller on the top. Instructions for assembly were lacking but honestly it wasn't too hard to figure out even though I have very little bike knowledge. Watched some youtube videos on adjusting the disk brakes but that was it. Still, I am loving it and very happy with the purchase.