Hope everyone enjoyed the podcast. I made a few minor errors when speaking from memory: @12:10 I claim that Malatesta escaped a prison island, moved to America and was then elected as the editor of La Questione Sociale. He actually went to Tunisia, Malta and then London after escaping the prison island. He was then invited to America by Pedro Esteve, the type setter of the paper, in order to go on a speaking tour. He was then elected as the editor of the paper by the right to existence group (Turcato, Making Sense of Anarchism (Palgrave Macmillan, 2012), p177, p189-90) @39:25 I refer to the violent suppression of bread riots in Milan in May 1898. I claim that hundreds were killed when cannons were fired at the workers. The workers were killed by both artillery fire and soldiers firing guns. The numbers of dead vary depending upon the source. The official figures were 80 civilians dead and 450 wounded (Pernicone, Italian Anarchism (Princeton University Press, 1993), p291) Later estimates by historians based on newspapers cite between 264 and 800 deaths. (Turcato, Making Sense, p173) @1:26:12 the actual Kropotkin quote is that anarchism contains “no ready made recipes for political-cooking". (Quoted in Ruth Kinna, Kropotkin: Reviewing the Classical Anarchist Tradition (Edinburgh University Press, 2016), p132)
Have you by any chance come across Thomas Swann's work on anarchist cybernetics, to reformulate thinking about organisational structure and tackle the problem of 'scale'. Some marxists, for example people associated with General Intellect Unit podcast have also investigated cybernetics of Stafford Beer to rethink organizational structure.
I: It´s clear to see how truly dedicated to liberation these folks are when they immediately started wondering if horses mind being ridden on. It´s not my _main_ takeaway from this podcast, hahah - but it _was_ a wholesome moment🖤 ps - as someone who´s dreamt of horse-riding since early teens, I certainly hope they don´t mind ^^;
This is gnarly. So if the state reproduces capitalism and capitalism coincides with/reproduces racism and anti-blackness, then would it be accurate to say that statism is a racist project?
@@mihailmilev9909 Hail, Mihail. I appreciate the salutation. Always nice to encounter nice people on the internet. What are your thoughts on infiltrating ws spaces? I've been trying to figure out the most relevant action in my area (south u.s.) What are some things you're dealing with locally?
@@FundFreedom I might be misunderstanding what you are going for with your question here, but I have also been wondering about how to approach people in the south US (Virginia specifically) because there are lots of people there who seem like genuinely good people that simply don’t understand leftism (or conservatism for that matter), but its hard to commit to talking to them because theres a high chance that they’ll just walk away. I think the best thing is not to go after the crazy confederate flag waving sorts and stick to trying to explain your views to centrist leaning friends, or liberals for that matter. Hope thats at least a little helpful.
Breadtube reacting to cringe reactionaries is fine, but this is so clear, well argued and direct without theatrics and getting stuck into arguing obvious points.
31:08 I'm of italian ascent. In my family there is a story of my great uncle. One day his son came crying from school saying that his teacher beat him. So he went to the school to tell the teacher to not beat his son. Now, my great uncle was a butcher. He went there with his bloodied work clothes and a knife.
Already watched this on the wrong boys channel yesterday but I'll leave a playing tab open for you. Great talk btw. Where did you get the phrase "Means of Coercion" from?
To the fully brainwashed, no borders means one world state not no states. Goes right along with those who more easily conceive of the extinction of our species than the end of capitalism.
Just noticed this podcast and I've been meaning to ask: I remember when you described yourself as both an anarchist and Marxist. Is that still true? And if so, what does the synthesis look like?
Given that she often tweets marxist stuff I think it's pretty safe to say she considers herself a marxist. here are two videos where she talks about her views on the relationship between marxism and anarchism ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8b6glt4WRUY.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-79ExsrkIMYQ.html
I can see a Marxist view on the society we have today, giving more power to the workers in order to create a society that makes it easier for individuals to be individualistic instead of having people work for others and having a hierarchical state. Also marxism does rely on a classless and stateless society so anarchy can coexist with it.
but forcing the majority of the public to suffer the brunt of Malatestian violent means, have their kids fall asleep to the sound of gunfire, perhaps get wounded, perhaps die, all because you think you know better than them if they or shouldn't want to suffer it... that's, well, not very nice. sorry. specially because nowadays (not in the 1890s. now) doing something like that in practice means TRYING TO WIN IN AN ARMED STRUGGLE AGAINST THE "DEFFENSE" INDUSTRY (are you okay???). :\ why not move the battle ground to where we got more of a chance to win? hopefully, where there's less colleteral damage, i.e. less lethal violence inflicted on people who never consented to it. there are more than only two options of method, you know.
I agree with you in the point that it is currently highly unwise to take up arms against the state apparatus and the military industrial complex. However, a day will come where it is the only option left. The nature of the state lies in it's fundamental need to keep itself alive and it will do so by any means necessary. Therefore, if you intend to dissolve the state you must be ready to answer to state repression on the same level. I believe that it will be possible, at a point in the future where our movement has grown stronger, to take up arms and face our oppressors. The goal would surely be to first grow a substantial anarchist movement in the MIC and military, as well as sabotage and weaken the state apparatus in it's entirety in order to turn the odds in our favor. And again, I agree with your statement that other means must be considered first as well as always be prioritized, but I think it is obvious to both of us that pacifism can't abolish the state.
@@randcall5933 sorry for the response being late in internet terms. was gonna make for you a partial list of worrying and/or atrocious stuff happening now, namely but not only border violence, but such lists are, sadly, very long and t'seems redundant here. rule of thumb: nobody willingly listens to nearly 2 hours of talk about Malatesta w/o first being at least somewhat politically aware... and we're all here. okay? question isn't whether or not the situation is harsh. question is what we do about it.
The Vietnamese, despite not having a fully hierarchically organized military force at the time, successfully repelled both US and Chinese military forces from invasion, it's almost like hierarchical military structures have a significant weakness when it comes to dealing with guerrilla warfare, which isn't surprising, considering their asymmetrical and horizontal nature
