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Guild Wars 2 - Zinn & The Fate of Rata Arcanum | Palawa Joko + Zinn's Demise? 

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The recorders from the recent exploration achievement in Draconis mons have been awesome! Definitely well worth checking out, and it's a lot more playtime from Season 3's flashpoint than you'd expect! Anyway today we're talking about the new information revealed!
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@WoodenPotatoes
@WoodenPotatoes 7 лет назад
Got out the Zinn recordings! Awesome! Next up I think you guys will be getting a cool video with Boots while I take the time to watch the more recent devs streams. We'll talk about those, then we have the competitive feature pack dropping, the druids are still waiting, agh so much to get to!
@MikePhantom
@MikePhantom 7 лет назад
so zinn being dead (his urn is in the golemancers tomb) before the inquest was founded, who is then the founder ?
@Tsukamy
@Tsukamy 7 лет назад
WoodenPotatoes have you try analyzing what's written on the tomb? :D
@DistantWatcher
@DistantWatcher 7 лет назад
Zinn is for sure dead...you were hopping about near his urn at the end. Questions I still have though are "Why is his epitaph written in Ascalonian?" as well as the bigger "When did the culprit go from stranger to Joko and is there a story in how Zinn gained that information?"
@avelione
@avelione 7 лет назад
Nope, just very original ones and picky, cause he's British ;)
@HummingbirdSound
@HummingbirdSound 7 лет назад
In French, that excentric person is called the "Stranger" (with capital letter), Woodenpotatoes...! And in French, "Stranger" is translated "Etranger" (from old French "EStranger"). "EEEEEEtranger". So the excentric person is really reffered to as "Etranger", which can be shortcutted into... E. "E"luminati? Knowing that some people within the story writing team at the time were French speakers (a few even native), is it really only a coincidence...? Maybe in English, E would be justified by the word "excentric", since he seems to be reffered to as "the excentric Stranger".
@TekalNelmak
@TekalNelmak 7 лет назад
Zinn was for me always the GW2 Cave Johnson, when you saw all the stuff in Ratanovus and now those voice lines. Love him!
@NotEnoughHats1800
@NotEnoughHats1800 7 лет назад
Potatoes, Zinn's dead. His ashes can be found in a urn in Draconis Mons.
@Kumdori01
@Kumdori01 7 лет назад
TheGamingFedora is that the cairn at the end if wp's video?
@NotEnoughHats1800
@NotEnoughHats1800 7 лет назад
Kumdori Yep, translation reveals "Zinn, his genius knew no bounds" Or something like that, don't remember the exact words
@EmmanuelLEVEQUE
@EmmanuelLEVEQUE 7 лет назад
This is the exact translation. It's ascalonian runes. wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Language#Ascalonian
@RedprintBobcat
@RedprintBobcat 7 лет назад
Emmanuel LEVEQUE oooh boyyy wussat mean then, that an Ascalonian made the memorial? and not a Krytan or Asura etc
@kimberlyc5391
@kimberlyc5391 7 лет назад
The druids, to this day, have a grudge against the asura. It's always asura that you chop out of the vines near that one heart. I'm betting Zinn knew the odds that an asura would make it to his grave site were pretty low. He had the golems write his epitaph in a language/script that the most likely candidates, humans, would understand, as it would have been important to him that anyone coming across it would know who he was.
@otislauwaert1407
@otislauwaert1407 7 лет назад
Ever since Episode 5 released people have been using the word ''penultimate'' everywhere xD
@neontenebrae1918
@neontenebrae1918 7 лет назад
Stop making me even more hyped up for the final LS3 episode and the expansion, I'm already one cup of coffee away from vibrating in a corner.
@thesuminer
@thesuminer 7 лет назад
Also don't we find most of Zinn's menagerie with all those animals in the cages in one of his vaults.
@drustanastrophel9538
@drustanastrophel9538 7 лет назад
Neat little thing, lots of people probably already know: Zinn and his golem GOX are a giant reference to Zim and Gir of Invader Zim fame!
@neokonline_
@neokonline_ 7 лет назад
The mysterious stranger being Joko makes so much sense! All he would want is to put the allies of the Elonans in disarray so he could make his move on conquering Elona. Which we would discover and stop in the canned Beyond arc, and then Joko next sees his chance during the Dragonrise which basically severed Cantha and made Tyria have to fight for themselves.
@foxli5280
@foxli5280 7 лет назад
The mushroom disappointment at 1:53. I hate those cheeky shrooms :3
@niekpalmen
@niekpalmen 7 лет назад
The menagerie might be the vault filled with all kinds of weird creatures like Polar bears, Tigers, etc.
@kotmatroskin3712
@kotmatroskin3712 7 лет назад
I am drooling over that Book UI so much. I wish GW2 had this. I know books are in the game, okay, but: 1. short sentences vs pages/chat box UI - I'd love to have an actual book with turning pages. 2. They take up inventory space. They did that in gw1 as well. But would be nice to either have a library collectible tab or just in-game codex. THat page turn where u can hold the corner and drag it back and forth ever so slowly though... ohhhh yeeeehhhh
@AllStarsProdigy
@AllStarsProdigy 7 лет назад
Sooooo... there was a book UI in gw1 but no book UI in gw2... sad.
@thetrueNutCake
@thetrueNutCake 7 лет назад
woooohooo goosebumps....loved this, for some reason I was more concerned about Zinn's lore than anything else, he is a greate character. A little sad it's over though...
@gollumsk8
@gollumsk8 7 лет назад
I like the way devs are answering old stuff like this zinn story... Maybe one day we'll find out what happenned to the gargoyles é_è
@valgrian
@valgrian 7 лет назад
On mention of the terraformer beam I thought of two things. 1: The only other device in the patch with an outstanding beam--Taimi's device. Now, surely Zinn didn't develop something comparable to Omadd's machine that formed the basis of Taimi's, but presumably he could have created something that may similarly channel Mordremoth's magic into the Draconis cave, much like Taimi's channeled Primordus' & Jormag's back and forth. 2: The Genesis Device from Wrath of Khan. Sounds like stepping into the beam might reorganize your matter in favor of its new matrix. Star Trek/Guild Wars crossover anyone??
@_Banjo_
@_Banjo_ 7 лет назад
Not sure I'd it's worth noting but when he mentions dealing with druids. Oolas lab in gw1 is opening through a druid seed and a vine bridge
@joe4ver
@joe4ver 7 лет назад
omg mental. this is awesome
@aginjai
@aginjai 7 лет назад
My biggest gripe with this is the way in which the information is given to us in game. I had no idea what to expect from these recordings and was just exploring the map whilst doing the main story. I picked up the odd recording here and there so the story they tell is completely out of order and almost nonsensical. I ended up hearing the final and most revealing recording after only hearing 3 other parts. It completely spoils the entire story. They need to present this kind of information in a much better way. It gave me no desire at all to collect the rest of the recordings other than for the achievement, so I just haven't bothered finishing that collection yet. The whole mystery of what is happening in the story and how it will unfold is completely gone once you hear that final recording. It is akin to reading a book which begins at chapter 7, then jumps to 3, then 8, and then reading the ending and finding out the main protagonist dies. It's really off putting and a terrible way to present information. They should either make it so that all the recordings are ineligible and only reveal themselves once you have collected all the devices, or have it set to automatically start the story from recording 1, no matter what order you actually pick them up in. This would have insentivised me more to actually want to search and find the next recording so I could hear the next part of the story to see how it unfolded.
@hckngrind24
@hckngrind24 7 лет назад
Zinn's recordings reminded me of Andrew Ryan from Bioshock
@MAUL0r1
@MAUL0r1 7 лет назад
@woodenPotatoes I think the "don't get in front of the beam" comment is already showing hints of negative effects in the form of Smogscales in Draconis Mons
@weeheavy6672
@weeheavy6672 7 лет назад
OMG I love those books in GW1.
@marthdaeglin
@marthdaeglin 6 лет назад
The first part of the fourth living world chapter dropped two days ago and this is THE perfect day to find this video. Seeing the Asuran's connection to Joko is going to be very interesting. Think there's any chance of an Awakened Zinn?
@Techstriker1
@Techstriker1 7 лет назад
Random thought on that comment about the beam and living creatures. Given what we now know about souls, magic, and corruption, what about Affliction? If being so close to a super malevolent spirit causes that physical corruption, perhaps direct contact with the terraforming beam causes similar physical mutation, maybe even skewed to the biome attempting to be terraformed?
@MyRAZZMATAZZ
@MyRAZZMATAZZ 7 лет назад
Guild wars beyond takes place in EOTN, Prophecies and Factions, nightfall never got a beyond update sadly.
@viator_eagle5936
@viator_eagle5936 7 лет назад
Hey WP since Zin seems to be dead. Is it possible the two survivors of Rata Novous are the founders of the inquest? We see so many looking at Rata Arcana, but there has never been a mention of them looking into Rata Novous. Could it be because they already know about it and it's fait?
@wafflingmean4477
@wafflingmean4477 7 лет назад
I hope we at least get to see more of his influence on the world, even after death.
@Ragmon1
@Ragmon1 7 лет назад
The recordings remind me of The Martian by Andy Weir.
@mistro3125
@mistro3125 7 лет назад
What do you think the chances of seeing Olias pop up are? Its a bit out of left field, but he was one of my favorite heros for his err... unique attitude, it was never boring at least. I mean, white mantle necro, apparently brought back to life by Grenth himself and sworn to correct a growing disturbance (Joko/Abaddon?) in Elona. Grenth might have a role to play soon, or one of his most dedicated acolytes.
@Niyack
@Niyack 7 лет назад
Dumb question, but is making the "white wings" every time your character lands?
@Wyrser
@Wyrser 7 лет назад
The legendary heavy armour
@G.Giorgio
@G.Giorgio 7 лет назад
Niyack the chest armour piece
@MilesUmbrae
@MilesUmbrae 7 лет назад
I bet there is some Zinn+Joko connection in the next expansion.
@magnusgodrik9870
@magnusgodrik9870 7 лет назад
here my theory of zinn. I feel that taimi is zinns daughter. she knew about both secret asura cities, rata novus and arcanum. scruffys 2.0 heat resistant tech was something zinn was working on, which makes sense why taimi was able to withstand primordus heat. even the way she speaks reminds me of zinn, with all the "DELICTABLE" knowledge she was drooling for in rata novus. this would explain. why she knows so much, too much. who knows, instead of being his daughter she may be his clone.
@_Banjo_
@_Banjo_ 7 лет назад
The siphoning the druid could be a reference to him siphoning off that seers power in war in kryta. Could the seer have died from this
@MastaGambit
@MastaGambit 7 лет назад
Y'know, speaking of all this GW Beyond stuff, I wanna know your opinion. Do you think we'll ever see any traces of Livia in GW2? Or do you think Orr was a completely missed opportunity and her hook into the story (with the scepter) has effectively crumbled away now?
@personanonibi1924
@personanonibi1924 7 лет назад
Epitaph appears to be written in Ascalonian, my best translation reads: Zinn His genius Knew no bounds wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Language#Ascalonian Picture: i.imgur.com/FioYzmO.jpg
@Ichuzu02
@Ichuzu02 7 лет назад
WP'S character looks sick!! what is the backpack &outfit ?
@RedprintBobcat
@RedprintBobcat 7 лет назад
M.O.X.-shaped potato consumable confirmed.
@gotenksjr
@gotenksjr 7 лет назад
The only GW2 Characters I wanna see come back, would be Razah in some form given his nature, as well as something to do with Kilroy Stonekin, YES he has a gravestone, but he was a nice little reference character I'd love to see return. Earth shakes, splits. Lava plumes smoke bellowed. Primordus stick his head out to the surfaces! ROARS! Chokes?!?! Sneezes! *Fades in getting lieder* ROOOOOOYYYY * BANG! He reveals himself, steals the nearest weapon and charges straight towards hoarded of destroyers screaming the remainder of his name. We the player are confused but in the moment charge straight back with him. Invigorated by his mighty shout! XD
@SilvasRuin
@SilvasRuin 7 лет назад
You're just going to drop the Inquest connection? Just because Zinn himself didn't explicitly found them? The Inquest in Rata Arcanum certainly seem to be under the impression that they are his successors. I'd suspect they were either his personal krewe in Rata Novus, or else it was that assistant he became separated from that wound up founding the Inquest.
@GirlPainting
@GirlPainting 7 лет назад
what are those white glowing wing like things popping up from your charackter while landing? some kind of ghostly infusion?
@xoamburr
@xoamburr 7 лет назад
GirlPainting it's the aura from the heavy legendary chest plate. the wings display every time you get in combat or draw your weapons.
@GirlPainting
@GirlPainting 7 лет назад
thx :)
@drecellthealive8912
@drecellthealive8912 7 лет назад
I'm sorry for unrelated question, but will there be more Elite Spec-ulation? I greatly enjoyed those, and it seems like something fitting to release before the expansion news drop. Again, really sorry.
@drecellthealive8912
@drecellthealive8912 7 лет назад
I didn't need the spoiler as I don't follow the leaks. Please delete the comment so that nobody else gets their excitement taken away. Thank you.
@WoodenPotatoes
@WoodenPotatoes 7 лет назад
Yeah since many people know exactly what they're going to be, I don't know, seems like an odd series to do now.
@rooseisgoose5237
@rooseisgoose5237 7 лет назад
It makes me sad that leaks ruin the reveal AND take away potential Potatoes content :/
@Teraphas
@Teraphas 7 лет назад
WoodenPotatoes please still do more just maybe go further and set them up for expansions beyond this. Just like they tied Scrapper into the charr from the norn personal story. they can tie into any period or time in what we know of Tyria. plus it makes more sense that elite specs tied heavily to the new areas would come after we have been in them a while. Just because the leaks happened doesn't mean this can't be a series staple. hell do one where the elite spec is something learned from the maguma wastes. maybe from studying chak? how about what could races in various parts of the world evolved into? we saw guardian having roots in gw1 classes. with being cut off for so long could classes in these areas developed into new elite specs? just don't limit yourself to what's likely to come and explore what could be. maybe if you explore what fits the world in various ways we can avoid lack luster lore theming like dragonhunters.
@AdrasAdraki
@AdrasAdraki 7 лет назад
Ib4 next ep is us in elona for no reason and when ppl ask about pacing and why are we there they direct us to this voice messege from Zinn.
@SciFiMangaGamesAnime
@SciFiMangaGamesAnime 7 лет назад
Judging by inquest dialogues and nearly destroyed golem, terraformer device was stolen by Inquest and they are very exited about it potential. Inquest story ark? Oh my, sign me up.
@davekat
@davekat 7 лет назад
They did warn him. Did he listen? Noooooooooo.
@gonzalbus2733
@gonzalbus2733 7 лет назад
Who built his tomb? If all the asura were supposedly slaughtered by the druids no?
@dianab.1766
@dianab.1766 7 лет назад
Gonzalbus M.O.X did. If you talk to him in your home instance after the story about "how he ended up in the volcano" , he will mention "engaging Zinn's Funerary instructions" ( this is why his grave is misspelled, M.O.X malfunctioned). Also backing this up, M.O.X actually talks in the last Zinn recording in Draconis Mons too.
@gonzalbus2733
@gonzalbus2733 7 лет назад
ohh, thx didnt know it :D
@AyakaruJuuhachi
@AyakaruJuuhachi 7 лет назад
12:51 Fallout 5: Tyria confirmed
@Darkpendora
@Darkpendora 7 лет назад
On the second note of the area having a lot of magic and not sure where it coming from, isn't the top of this volcano the Door of Komalie and a way towards the Domain of Anguish, hence it having some magical ties?
@TheMobott
@TheMobott 7 лет назад
Door of Komalie is a different island. It's the other large island that we haven't been to.
@MastaGambit
@MastaGambit 7 лет назад
I think the Door is moreso in the Ember Bay area, with all the mursaat towers and whatnot
@_Banjo_
@_Banjo_ 7 лет назад
Do these recordings happen in the order you pick then up?Excellent considering I thought we were heading to inner rata through that achievement aura gate.
@lo_at
@lo_at 7 лет назад
Ben Smith Each bit of dialogue is location specific, so if you go in the wrong order you'll hear them out of sequence. Eg, I heard the final piece of dialogue when I was at around 5/14 in the achievement.
@Wiktuski2
@Wiktuski2 7 лет назад
Zinn is not dead. Zinn fused with one of his golems and he is going to be our "Exalted" in Crystal Desert.
@WoodenPotatoes
@WoodenPotatoes 7 лет назад
I wonder if he walked into the beam with "Unusual effects on living creatures", it did seem like quite a specific detail to add
@AyakaruJuuhachi
@AyakaruJuuhachi 7 лет назад
they do tend to add floral information to asura lore, just for the sake of comedy or depth. It's not the first time they add awfully specific details to asura tech
@SheenaMalfoy
@SheenaMalfoy 7 лет назад
Or more likely the druids dragged him into it with one of their vines.
@tkorful
@tkorful 7 лет назад
+WoodenPotatoes Maybe there is a parallel to Oola's work on combining golemancy and necromancy?
@hassanmurtaza4435
@hassanmurtaza4435 7 лет назад
Balthazar (God of War) - "I have learned there is no honor in war" Zinn - "I have learned my lesson, kill or be killed" WTF is going on?
@tkorful
@tkorful 7 лет назад
LS episode 5: time to learn a lesson
@TT-nn9mq
@TT-nn9mq 7 лет назад
If those are Zinn's ashes, who cremated him and created that grave? If some of his crew survived i wonder what happened to them o.O
@xSkye629x
@xSkye629x 7 лет назад
M.O.X
@rusty8829
@rusty8829 7 лет назад
.One could easily speculate he did it use chaos in Tyria and Elona, preparing the ground for a potential future invasion, but Cantha is too far for that purpose. UNless he di plan to laos cause havoc in cantha so they would not sent help tp Tyria and Elona against him. Allso if Zinn was stil live he'd be over 250 years old, is this possible for the asura? (the whole event with Oola and stuff meh.... i mean the lab and the golems have nothing in common with the gw1 designs, which these should look more, unless at Oola's time they were using headless golems which i dout) PS: If I was not forced to kill Bokka the Magnificenti 'd let him die e waas a true ----.
@MithranArkanere
@MithranArkanere 7 лет назад
Hey! It's not "Eh Moe X", it's M.O.X.!
@johnathanwalker7781
@johnathanwalker7781 7 лет назад
What's that room you come across at the end, WP? :O
@WoodenPotatoes
@WoodenPotatoes 7 лет назад
It's Zinn's tomb!
@johnathanwalker7781
@johnathanwalker7781 7 лет назад
Oh wow that's awesome!!
@Vallun
@Vallun 7 лет назад
zinn is like trump in gw2, lets make the druids build rata arcanus for us lmao
@Paintedawg
@Paintedawg 7 лет назад
I think we'll find a form of Zinn like he uploaded his core consciousness to a golem or computer. Not Zinn himself but a copy of his thoughts/mind/personality. He does seem like he would have the ego to make a system that acted and sounded like himself.
@aKAOTICsquirrel
@aKAOTICsquirrel 7 лет назад
I thought this was a SUPER weak end for this character. I thought it was very bad.
@RamothMizpah
@RamothMizpah 7 лет назад
Zinn sounds like Trump. WP why do you pronounce each letter of M.O.X. when in the voice recordings they pronounce it as Mox? No biggie to me, just curious.
@Tangzer29
@Tangzer29 7 лет назад
But who built the tombstone ?
@xSkye629x
@xSkye629x 7 лет назад
M.O.X
@IamDraaky
@IamDraaky 7 лет назад
Desert Hype
@RedprintBobcat
@RedprintBobcat 7 лет назад
Pieter van der Berg gimme Cantha pl0x
@IamDraaky
@IamDraaky 7 лет назад
Jyri Make assassin's​ great again!
@roinats
@roinats 7 лет назад
That whole Zinn's terraforming bit is huge homage to The Martian.
@inclination64609
@inclination64609 7 лет назад
The concept of terraforming has been around for a very long time.
@roinats
@roinats 7 лет назад
Sure, but the wording is strikingly similar to the book.
@Myurridthaekish
@Myurridthaekish 7 лет назад
why is zinns tombstone written in ascalonian? why is it mispelled? was it Balthazar?!
@Maethendias
@Maethendias 7 лет назад
NATURE MAGIC WAT
@floody9074
@floody9074 7 лет назад
great video first of all! but didnt zinn have his grave beneath divinitys reach in the novel? am i missing something? so someone must have recovered his corpse and brought it there
@polishmonkey7171
@polishmonkey7171 7 лет назад
First
@conflicthorizon
@conflicthorizon 7 лет назад
Audio logs are such a lazy way to tell a story.
@MastaGambit
@MastaGambit 7 лет назад
how is that even remotely "lazy"...
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