He's the chief 'rep of his father's Imperium, the last of his living sons (at this point), and must make an example of the attitudes that will reflect poorly on his good will. And, Robu was The Host of this gathering. If anyone has bad manners, he'll take it from there... *And if Everyone has bad manners,* he will literally cut it out with a tongue similar to that of his Father's flaming sword.
Guilliman currently has the "Perturabo Effect" where he is usually the only fully compotent person in the room at all times. Thats why he's so likable.
Perty went from one of my least favorite primarchs to one of my favorites after I learned he was pretty much the only person responsible for keeping the Heresy going because of how incompetent the rest of his brothers were. Also the Iron Cage is one of the coolest moments in the series with him finally crippling the Imperial Fists.
@@bkr1895 The Siege went something like. Alparius tries to play stupid games on pluto, Dorn kills him Lorgar tried to usurp Horus, got exiled from the siege. Curze was MIA. Magnus was having a DID episode. Angron was murdering everyone he saw regardless of loyalty. Fulgrim was only ever accidentally useful. Horus was preparing for the showdown with the Emperor. Pert and Morty were the only ones actually doing their job. Pert was in charge of the siege until Horus got Jealous that Pert might not even need him to take the palace so he Kicked Perturabo out and put Mortarion in charge instead. Then Mortarion had a fight with Jaghatai and finished the Siege, then the vengeful spirit gamble happened.
@@whitewall2253 And now imagine, how it could've been, if Perty and Rogal would've been able to get past their differences and worked together at the siege. Every battle would be a Hammer and Anvil situation, where the Fists are the Anvil and the Iron Warriors are the Hammer. It also could change the final battle between the Emperor and Horus
Robute's biggest power play against the High Lords of Tera was when he wiped the board clean and started from scratch. It was detailed in Watcher's of the Throne: In the Regent's Shadow. It amazes me how horrifying corrupt the High Lords and the bureaucracy of the empire had become considering how brazen they were in defying the orders of a Primarch. They thought him a myth and a fairy tale until the bodies started dropping lol.
10k years made them complacent and relax. It was all well and good when the Primarchs were just symbols of legend to be used to manipulate the populace. So them coming back is a Utter fever dream for them
He didn't wipe the board clean, but he did replace 5 of the 12 the most powerful members, return previously faded power to some and also replaced a bunch of lower ranking high lords and dignitaries. He managed this not through execution, because it might have caused a civil war, but by forcing those 5 into retirement or reassignment and probably unwanted close surveillance . So he did quite a bit.
Yeah, that's what I was Thinking . High lords were brought to heel because Gulliman came back. I'm sure they hate every moment of this. There whole perceptions and assumptions of the Galaxy and there place in it, destroyed. And they can't do anything about it but take it .
High Lords are replacable. They are easy to replace as it is to put on a new pair of shoes. The High Lords do nothing. They are basically figureheads pretending they do something. When it is the clerks that do all the work and the real heroes of the Imperium. Without them. The Empire would have fallen. Their numbers are in the billions, and yet they process data and information in the TRILLIONS.
I have a feeling that sometime soon, perhaps when the imperium gathers enough strength to merge back together/both primarchs meet _some_ part of the higher imperium will revolt against our guiliman being sick of his rule, but thats just a theory of mine 🤷♂️
@@Doc-randomplay ? The imperium now prosper because him , worlds now get the recourses they need instead of beeing ignored for the more "influential" worlds , best thing about Gilliman beeing a politician , you can't bribe him , the only ones who might revolt is some of the uper class , and we all know what happened with the previous lords of terra (the peak of the upper class) for rebeling , if a part of the planetar gouverners band togheter against him it would be a mild inconvenience at best
Little did the High Lords know, the Emperor of Mankind didn't really want to kill all Xenos. The Eldar are among the Xenos that he would gladly make friends with. Not to mention before the Heresy, there is a section in the Imperial Palace that is designated for Xenos ambassadors.
The hatred for xenos comes from the aftermath of the cybernetic revolt. The men of iron attacked all sentient life, and many xenos wanted revenge against humanity for creating them, hunting and purging many human colonies while they were still weak. After that humanity had a general disdain for alien species, that coupled with the emperor's "join me or die" policies only further confirmed their hatred.
@@VA_Nightshade Same by the Grand Master of the oficio assassinorum, he is somewhere in that room thinking:" please, I want to see if I or Guilliman are quicker in ending one of you"
Illyane Nastase: Thank you grandfather Guilliman. You honour me even considering one of your sons is my literal father. 😊 Guilliman: Sure, su- YOU WHAT?!
@@thalesvinicius2571 if I can better serve the Emperor, then I will obey the Lord Primarch's command and ally with the Xenos to fight the Great Enemy without question or hesitation. Only in death does duty end.
I wish soon the imperium can make alliance with the T'au . Me personally I'm a T'au fan and I wish to see guilliman and commander Farsight make a alliance, while guilliman seeing humans under commander farsight enclave worlds 🌎 being treated very good and abit envious about their better conditions.
For me in my head canon I always thought Guilmain was the ONE primarch or at least one of the only ones that the Eldar NEVER played Eldar games with, the others they might manipulate or lead by the nose to get what they want but not Guilmain hes the one that when they want an alliance or need something and cant afford to wait they come right up to him and lay it on the table in as direct a fashion as possible for them
Yeah because they can't win against gman with his logistics. Horus took heavy losses trying to destroy a craftworld for some reason during the Great Crusade. Gman as far I know never really bothered them unless they did the screwing first besides the primarchs are basically the humans versions of phoenix lords that's not to be understated either.
I don't think that the Minotaurs will be truly helpful against Guilliman, the Ultramarines and a large swathe of Ultramarine successor chapters that would come to his aid. Besides, facing off against Guilliman, that has been given the sword of the Emperor by his father and at one point was even possessed by Him, I really don't think there'd be any Minotaurs left at the end of this escapade.
I first got into the hobby early-mid 2010s as a child. I did NOT forsee Guilleman becoming this much of a fan favourite and i love how much things are progressing
The Imperium having the Aeldar as allies would be so clutch. They are the faction most suited on eliminating Sla'anesh. The Imperium has a huge and vast resource and power to bolster and complement the Aeldar's.
I'm not immensely aware of Aeldar lore, but aren't they at risk of just straight up having thier soul snatched when they die? that might be the drukari, I know it's one of them
@@Lunalander226it’s true of all the Eldar, they just have different methods of dealing with it. The Asuryani, the Craftworlders, basically have to chill out and cultivate severe autism to ensure that a rock absorbs their soul instantly when they die, so they can be plugged into the psychic mainframe of their Craftworld. Drukhari just torture people to stop being soul-drained, and have their scientists clone them if they are killed. And Harlequins become one with their clown god in death, so they don’t have to fear death at all.
Here's the problem: They'd have no reason to keep the alliance when the threat of Slaanesh is gone. Given their history of fucking over humanity which began during the age of strife, it'd be foolish to trust them so wholeheartedly.
@@ULTIMATZEKROM they never fucked over humanity during the age of strife. It was written that xenos races aggressed humanity during that period, but it was never specified which ones. As far as I know, the Aeldari didn't give a damn about humanity before the Great Crusade, especially before the birth of Slaanesh, when their power was so great that they literally used wars with Orks as a form of distraction.
And not only that but also having to play with their rules too, because if he doesnt the best case scenario is hes branded a heretic by the insanely zealous and corrupt megalomaniacs around him, or the worst case - shatters the imperium from the inside by mistake. Hes got to work with them, and play a long with the whole "you dad is a God" bullshit that he knows is not only untrue but he never wanted (allegedly - because he was reeeeeeeally bad at not giving off "im a god vibes" lol). and all these idiots hes dealing with are also just completely unreasonable.
These are the ones that replaced the ones he purged: when he first came back, he basically went to the high lords and said "hey, I'm changing some thing around." They didn't like that, so they sent their centurion space marines after him. Some high lords were killed. Others were thrown to the street stripped of all wealth and power.
Humans with power will let worlds burn before they humble themselves. Tyranids and chaos at the door, still those highlords can't see the bigger picture.
Gulliman is destroying there whole understanding of the imperium. Now there not the most important people anymore and have to follow Gulliman's lead. Being treated like unruly children. They hate this so much
@@dejannincic9671From what I can see, it depends on what faction of each group you are talking about. I don't know 40k inside and out, but I'm pretty sure there are factions within most of the races that could ally safely and effectively with the Imperium. Even the orcs, after a fashion. Though that would be mostly convincing them that the Imperium can bring them to a better fight than the Inperium can give them.
A murmur went around the room: The Master of the Administratum: Do these eldar need air air to breathe? I thought we banned the breathing of air last Tuesday? The Lord Commander Militant of the Imperial Guard: I asked our Guards to stop breathing so much, need to keep the best air for ourselves. Just in case it runs out. The Grand Provost Marshal: I AM THE LAW! Fabricator General: You should just replace your lungs with respirators 🎶 Kitten: Oh emperor, how did I get roped into this? (ANGRY CAT NOISES)
So did the Commodore of the Navy. I hate agreeing with the High Lords, but the Eldar have proven time and time again that they aren't trustworthy, even after the Aeldari/Drukhari split.
@@ULTIMATZEKROM Unfortunately, dealing with 1 group of Eldar does not mean you're talking with all the Eldar. Eldar of craft world A might be friendly to you Eldar of craft world B might be assholes attacking your ships on the other side of the galaxy.
@@bubusbus1 Yeah, the Imperium could probably get an alliance with the Craftworld Ulthwe (Guilliman think that Eldrad is the only Eldar in the universe to be trusted ^^). But with Biel-Tan? Not a chance XD
@@ULTIMATZEKROM Depends. We have bunch of craftworlds - every one independent from each other. Also let's be honest - regular ass human have hard time telling Eldars and Dark Eldars apart. Which is kinda silly, since one group is arrogant as fuck, although will kill you calmly, other is also arrogant as fuck but if they kill you, you'll be grateful to whatever god you believe in that it happened instead of them taking you for a trip to Camorragh. Also Dark Eldars probably cackle a lot.
Guilliman is doing good by making a truce with the Eldar cause if the races do not work together the Chaos and Tyranid will destroy them all and then the Orcs needs to be dealt later
Guilliman is really trying to do reasonable diplomacy which he was always built for but waa forbidden in old times from negotiating with aliens. What he could have accomplished had the Imperium sought alien allies in the Great Crusade.
The Eldar and Mankind have to team up, our fates are intertwined and we need all the allies we can get (plus I want Robute X Yvraine to be canon so bad literally would be the coolest power couple in fiction)
@@ambion19 Star Wars had that before Disney . . . man . . . I just made myself miss the Mara Jade and Luke Skywalker romance. And Ferus Olin and his husband . . . and Revan and Bastila . . . fuck you Mickey. Anyway, even Warhammer Fantasy had some serious power couples like: Tyrion and Alarielle, Teclis and any human he came across, Karl Franz and his warhammer, Vlad and Isabella von Karstein (aka "somehow the healthiest relationship in Warhammer"), Gottrek and Grungni, Felix and that one Tomb Queen who wanted to jump his bones, Malekith and Mora- For legal reasons my lawyer has advised that I don't finish that sentence.
With chaos and tyranids running ever more rampant I believe that the imperium may need to swallow its pride. It isn’t a sign of weakness to forge alliances with others. I believe an imperium/eldar alliance could be a force to be reckoned with and with the blue man at the helm idk man but I have this feeling it may be a possibility, and this is coming from a loyalist. Shout out to the giant, tiberos the red wake.
Imagine if Guilliman is hot headed, those high lords would be "peacefully removed from their position" this includes firing squads or being burned by melta cannons 😅
Guilliman knows that a truce, even if a temporal one between eldar and human iis possible. He unfortunately also knows that on each side, many would cling to the lamest excuse to start killing each other
Not sure when in the timeline this is but more importantly has word reached the imperium proper that the Lion has awoken and returned? It would be nice to hear what the leaders of the imperium think but also hear what The Avenging Son thinks as well.
Eldar have perfect control over their body motion and posture. The fact that he specifically made the kneel look hesitant means that he wanted Guilliman to know either he was uncomfortable or that he doesn't serve humans, but that he simply respects them.
I think it was less a message to Guilliman, and more to the High Lords. "I am exactly as unhappy to be here as you are to have me here. But, I'm here regardless, so the formalities must be obeyed. I will do your silly gestures of respect and submission, and you will... You're... not even going to pretend to listen. Of course not."
Some bloody how the distant pencil pusher during the Heresy is now the only one with both a functioning common sense and a bloody back bone. Blueberry king's return is literally the best thing that could have happened to the Imperium.
God people are dumb by that logic the Eldear could bring up Chaos Cultists or Chaos Primarchs too and Space Marines there’s good and bad people to every faction
I agree that they need to hear the Eldar emissary out first but the navy officer did raise a good point, they'll require a truce between the Imperium and the Eldar before things progress
I mean the Eldar is already being somewhat forced to be cordial to humans hell he even kneeled before the primarch if anything their should have been some sort of amusement from the humans. Sometimes I wonder if/when will the constant forceful compliaces of the laws enacted or just doing what Guilliman wants will bite him in the ass. Then there seems to be also a preference for transhumans to rule over regular humans as seen in the reforging of the 500 worlds of Ultramar.
@@Soundwave142Eldar generally move differently to humans, a kneel is probably just a clumsy and awkward pose to them, but he adopted it because it’s a sign of respect that the humans would understand.
Do also remember that Illiyan Nastase is the half-Eldar half-Human chief librarian of the Ultramarines. He's more than entitled to speak as an ambassador of Eldar people.
An eldar trying to bow to a group humans? That is a very rare and unique moment. Guilliman was right to pursue an alliance with the Eldar. The Imperium is full of enemies on every front, so is the situation of the Eldar. An alliance is the most logical thing.
Immensely. The Aeldari have some insane tech and hundreds of extremely skilled seers, plus a whole planet-sized library containing every bit of knowledge there is to know on chaos. Their problem is minuscule quantity, with the Imperium to cover for that, and the Aeldari’s knowledge on how to deal with Chaos, both would benefit greatly.
Folks talking aboit guilliman, but no one talking about the representative of the eldar getting down on a knee to show respect to someone who isnt of their own kind. Especially since how so far up their space elf butt that they are, it showed humility to kneel before someone they once considered beneath them, and guilliman likewise being courteous is truly wonderful, but guilliman being a peak statesman, hes forte was always about diplomacy
The high lords also treated the mechanicum with disdain (post heresy) until they marched a fracking titan up to the chamber and reminded them why their alliance was needed for survival.
Not that many Craftworlds are aligned with Ulthwé or the Yannari. So that general statement about other eldar attacking humans might as well be true (not that most humans are able to tell the various kind of eldar apart).
Yeah, the Craftworld are pretty diverse, massively, they even have different social structures entirely. Biel-Tan, for instance, is even more racist than the Imperium, so much so that it makes other Eldar uncomfortable. They’re just gonna keep killing Mon-keigh no matter what happens.
Roboute Guilliman, Improving Human-Eldar Relations since M41! (Or as we call it, “Claiming Alien Territory in the Name of The Imperium” if you catch my drift)
